Yep. It's true! Mady and Cara are sailing too! Can't wait to have a big girls week with our fans! Join US! kategosselincruise.com
Will the children have obligations to the fans too, or do they get to just be kids?
Wednesday, February 1, 2012
Mady and Cara to travel with Kate on Cruise
Looks like Kate has resorted to using her own children to try to get people to book a spot on August's celebrity cruise on Royal Caribbean. After weeks of begging people to sign up, even adding "morning runs" with Kate to the itinerary, she's finally tweeted this:
Will the children have obligations to the fans too, or do they get to just be kids?
Will the children have obligations to the fans too, or do they get to just be kids?
592 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 592 Newer› Newest»Administrator said... 191 Whoa, huge flaw in the theory Jon is in on this. Kate wants to TAKE money from Jon not GIVE him money! Kate and only Kate makes money off the kids, remember?
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Totally agree, Admin. I've noticed a tendency towards very wild speculation on things lately, I guess because there's really nothing much new about Kate to discuss. She is what she has always been and likely will not change now. But to speculate that this so-called "meeting" even took place at all, based on one (tweet, was it?) without any evidence to prove it is one thing. To then imagine what the purpose of the so-called meeting was, even to imagine what the conversation consisted of or whether there was some sort of collusion between Jon and Kate, even down to money/bribes is...well...a bit over the top. Maybe we all need to get a new hobby!
Are we talking about a blog post on Kate's blog, or her tweets?
I could try to tackle this.
I agree Steve will not be along on the cruise to "guard" the twins. He's Kate's minder (and she wants her alone dinner time with him and whatever else they do). A normal parent would not bring along a nanny, but Kate will. She can't be bothered to be a real parent.
Kate has always wanted to go on a cruise. I remember years ago the rumor was that the whole family, courtesy of TLC, would be going on a Disney cruise but that fell apart with the divorce.
Gift of grab, thanks!! I'll look too. It would definitely be interesting to run a side by side comparison.
Just to try to get this back to a nice place, Canuck I happen to agree with your comments. But please don't add little snide remarks like get a hobby. Be nice to each other, please.
Admin, we're talking about the discrepancies in Kate's blog vs the RW article, the dependencies being tweeted yesterday.
Oh boy, can't wait for the side-by-side comparison. The more she blabs on her blog and twitter, the more likely she'll get caught lying. You go, Sue Buddy!
I can't find her blog about the marathon on her stupid web site. Her stupid web site doesn't have it under "fitness" and I don't see any menu button for, like, you know, BLOG.
Who has a blog but you can't get to the posts??? I can only see the most recent four or five blogs.
I thought this was interesting. Kate's article in Runner's World is part of an ongoing series called "I'm a Runner".
On the Runner's World "I'm a Runner" home page, Kate's article is nowhere to be seen. You can see articles from other runners, but not Kate's! Looks like they buried it somewhere.
Here's the URL:
http://www.runnersworld.com/topic/0,7122,s6-243-544-0-0,00.html
Also, if you read some of the other interviews, they are actually "interesting"!
Admin, so true! I'd forgotten how user unfriendly Kate's blog is. Hmmmm.
Candian East Coaster said... 199
Just a thought but Ex-Nurse isn't "Oh yes I do" is it? Smells like her.
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Not likely. "Oh yes I do" writes two short sentence paragraphs, uses "etc" throughout, misspells words and the posts aren't well written...different language and sentence structure. Could there be two of them? Possibly, but it's not the "original" one who has held every job under the sun!
Admin, below her most recent blog posts go to the Google search box and type in something like Kate Gosselin marathon and the entire blog post will pop up. Just read it.
Found it, had to go back post by post....(Kate get a blog archive!)
http://www.kateplusmy8.com/marathon-momma/
I'm sure there's a wealth of lies in there.
Aha! Thanks for link. I'm sure her jumbled blog reflects what's going on in her head -- chaos!
Pretty funny that her fans think she's organized.
For starters, she talks about how her friends convinced her to like, totally do the marathon.
But in her blog it's clear the "friends" were actually just two Penn State chicks she met THAT day and exchanged contact info with THAT day. But I guess it doesn't sound as good to say yeah, like, I met two strangers and like, they convinced me to do it and literally are going to, like, run side by side with me!
Sounds better to make it sound like it's your girlfriend of 25 years supporting you in this.
I'd like to see both Adm and Sue Buddy do side by sides of her marathon lies. That way, it gets more coverage...or maybe do a joint one.
Her entire Rw article is still on their web site, just put her name in their search box.
Very interesting that on the Alice Travel site for the Kate Gosselin cruise, there is absolutely no mention of Cara or Mady. It's all about doing things with Kate. So my guess the girls going may be just a tease? Alice Travel doesn't put it in writing, so nobody can complain the twins weren't there?
OK. Got my Thursday morning giggle. I got the image of our Administrator and Sue Buddy spending real time culling through Kate's blog site. They won't be the same for the remainder of the day!
I agree Steve will not be along on the cruise to "guard" the twins. He's Kate's minder (and she wants her alone dinner time with him and whatever else they do). A normal parent would not bring along a nanny, but Kate will. She can't be bothered to be a real parent.
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Those kids need to have someone with them at all times, so yes, since Kate is going to be busy with Steve, crafting and bingo and answering questions, she does need to take along a nanny. Too many things can happen on cruise ships, and there is no way in the world I would let two eleven year old girls roam the ship without adult supervision. They are going to want to be involved in the kids program, swimming, and other activities, NOT following Kate around to her meet and greets. Steve will be with her. The kids need someone with them.
Lol.
You know what, if you can't find the post on a blog you're looking for within about 20 seconds, your blog SUCKS.
Also if you have a "fitness" section on your blog, and you have a blog post from before the marathon, but not the blog post you made after the marathon, your blog SUCKS.
Very interesting that on the Alice Travel site for the Kate Gosselin cruise, there is absolutely no mention of Cara or Mady. It's all about doing things with Kate. So my guess the girls going may be just a tease? Alice Travel doesn't put it in writing, so nobody can complain the twins weren't there?
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There had been something about watch Kate play on the beach with her children. Did they remove that?
Have you seen the tweet from last night? "who won the bet on my bedtime". Wow, just like, wow? This woman's narcissism has no boundaries!
Yes, Warmth, the girls need a chaperone on that ship but usually parents watch their children. Kate can't be bothered. Actually, I would not be surprised if a single crew member is assigned to the girls. When I've cruised and the parents want to do adult things, the ships have crew members who are assigned to do things with the kids, but in groups.
There had been something about watch Kate play on the beach with her children. Did they remove that?
-- Seriously? Really, seriously!?!? WTF!
Kate wouldn't know HOW to play with her kids and the twins are old enough they wouldn't want Cruella to play with them
I don't know where the see Kate play on the beach with her children came from, but I do recall it. All I can say is that if you go the official site, there's no mention of that.
Private Events and Highlights
Please check back often as more details become available.
•Meet Kate Gosselin at our private welcome cocktail party
•A commemorative personalized gift from Kate (one per family)
•Capture your memories onboard with a personal photo with Kate Gosselin
•Join Kate for a private BBQ on deck with a fabulous band
•Join Kate for a morning brunch
•Fun fun family games with Kate and staff
•Charity dinner with Kate (optional)
•Got questions for Kate? Attend her Q & A session
•Morning runs with Kate
•Check out Kate's latest book and bring it onboard for a book signing
•Doesn't Kate always have the best ideas! Learn a new craft from the professional herself
•Let's explore! Shore excursion with Kate
•Let's talk about our fabulous cruise experience! Private group farewell dinner
Administrator said... 5 Just to try to get this back to a nice place, Canuck I happen to agree with your comments. But please don't add little snide remarks like get a hobby. Be nice to each other, please.
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You're right Admin - I apologize to all. I guess it's really about questioning myself and why I find this whole Gosselin thing so darned addictive and hard to turn away from. But I should only reference myself - on re-reading it does sound snide. My apologies again to anyone I offended.
Also if you have a "fitness" section on your blog, and you have a blog post from before the marathon, but not the blog post you made after the marathon, your blog SUCKS.
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lol, admin! I got curious and went looking for a recipe but couldn't find it. I don't visit the blog, but figured it would be under a tab, Menu Monday or Recipes. Surprise! Nothing like that there. I looked under inspiration and lovable products..."coming soon." Shouldn't "soon" have been here by now? Maybe she's not inspired or lovable.
OMG I nearly gagged when I read the itinerary above. Learn from the professional? Pulease
I don't know where the see Kate play on the beach with her children came from, but I do recall it. All I can say is that if you go the official site, there's no mention of that.
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Was it the next sentence after "shore excursion with Kate?"
Charlene Failla, president of Luxury Cruises and Tours, told the Lido Deck.... Some of Gosselin’s famous twins and sextuplets may be cruising, too. Failla tells us that while Gosselin has expressed interest in bringing some of her kids onboard, she won’t decide which ones until closer to sailing.
So what’s in it for Gosselin? Yes, Kate is being paid to appear on the cruise — receiving an undisclosed amount per person booked. Failla says celebrities usually donate the fees to a charity, but Gosselin has not revealed which charity she may be promoting on this cruise. Many of you will likely think the charity will be the Gosselin eight college fund....
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The above was posted by "Lido Deck" in January. I think Alice Travel was embellishing their announcement about the cruise and included the description of Kate and kids to get people interested. At the time, there was no commitment from Kate that any of the kids would be going.
The kids on the beach thing came from a press release....from day one they were trying to use the kids to entice people to come:
"We hope the cruise is a reflection of her personality," Cindy Cardella, from Alice Travel, told NewsCore about the itinerary that will include at least one daily interaction with the 36-year-old reality star.
"Going to dinners, talking to her, seeing her on a beach playing with her kids, that's what people want to see," Cardella added.
Also, this:
WERNERSVILLE, Penn. -- With her reality TV career behind her, Kate Gosselin is getting into the cruise business.
Gosselin will host a seven-day cruise this summer, where fans can join the famous mom and two of her children on a voyage to the Caribbean.
I am not on Twitter and 100% of my exposure to tweets is here. So, I will admit to being completely ignorant of the format and the content. Are the personal and detailed comments from Kate normal?
She seems to lack a social filter. The filter that allows us to recognize our significance in this world. It does not matter how loved we are by friends and family, they don't care about when we went to the bathroom and they don't take bets on what minute we chose to go to bed. She seems to think those details about HER are critical information. She goes beyond self-confidence and ego.
I need to ask myself why that annoys me so much!
So with her Tweet about the twins going, it's either a lie or she's worked out some kind of deal with Jon and the travel agency. I guess it's wait and see if the travel agency advertises the twins too.
The comment about the kids playing on the beach was from an article in the Pocono Record. The article was posted by Maggie in the Cruise thread. This is the part mentioning the kids:
"We hope the cruise is a reflection of her personality," Cindy Cardella, from Alice Travel, told NewsCore about the itinerary that will include at least one daily interaction with the 36-year-old reality star.
"Going to dinners, talking to her, seeing her on a beach playing with her kids, that's what people want to see," Cardella added.
http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120106/NEWS90/120109794&cid=sitesearch
The only thing I don't understand is that the cruise was advertising two of the kids (the twins I assume) from DAY ONE.
But Kate only just announces two of the kids are going.
Just odd. Like she had some problems convincing a certain father they should go. It would be just like Kate to commit the twins without asking Jon. Then cry to him but we've already said they could go to try to guilt him into letting them go.
By the way, it's not necessarily up to the country whether you can travel with your kids there though they often ask. It's usually up to the family law court whether one parent has permission to travel without the other's permission. Usually, they don't.
Apparently you can't even trust the cruise employees in the kids areas anymore. Look at the latest fiasco on the Queen Mary.
I hope they have a private nanny who knows how to deal with creepy fans, assigned just to the girls. I hope they have a wonderful time and don't have to work or deal with fans for one second.
Also it is so absurd that they didn't realize how utterly CREEPY it sounded to talk about fans wanting to watch Kate play on the beach with the kids. What the hell?
Who, what, Gross!!! Who wants to watch some other family play on the beach on their vacation??? Other than creeps?
You know what I think? I think the whole cruise deal hinged on her bringing along some of the kids. Why her delay in confirming the twins going? And this all coincides with her lunch meeting with Jon. I think the deal was, no kids...no cruise for you! The appeal is that this is a family cruise and you can bet some families with multiples have booked. Their kids want to see Kate's kids.
Admin-I wouldn't be surprised if your scenario is the right one. Kate's tweeties kept on asking her if the kids were going and she never replied until yesterday.
Also, it was strange how she ended up mentioning it-as if she was hoping and waiting for someone to ask about the kids going. The tweet that she responded to with that info only asked if the cruise was for adults only-not if any of the kids were going.
"Going to dinners, talking to her, seeing her on a beach playing with her kids, that's what people want to see," Cardella added.
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"Seeing her play on the beach with her kids" - I had the strongest vision when I read this.
The 'fans' would be lined up behind a velvet rope on the beach. Purseboy would patrol the rope ensuring no one crossed it. All the fans would be watching the freak show as people do at a zoo, behind a barrier pointing and taking pictures.
Have to wonder what species kart would fall under.
So sad and disgusting.
Re kids on the cruise, I think it's important to keep the disclaimer from Alice Travel in mind. They say that anything/everything on their list of Kate events is subject to change or cancellation without notice, including Kate not showing up AT ALL. Once again, as I mentioned several threads ago, this is the format of the classic bait and switch. I will TELL you what I think will happen, but if it doesn't, I am not liable and you will not get a refund. So Kate can say whatever she wants about the kids going or not, which ones, etc., and if it doesn't happen, well, you DID read the fine print, didn't you?
I think her announcement about the twins was issued because they are not getting anywhere NEAR the bookings that they expected.
These activities with Kate may be misleading, in that many of these things will likely be grouped together. For example, the welcome cocktail party, the photo-op, and the handing out of the commemorative gift can all be accomplished together.
The Q & A and the book signing, another possible combination, you get my point, deliver the goods, while minimizing her exposure. The only plural experience are the morning 'runs', everything else on board sounds singular and combinable to me.
Shore excursions with Kate? You will pay for that as an add-on, and you can be sure Kate will take the most expensive shore excursion (s) RC has to offer!
Other than the sheer absurdity of taking this expensive, off-season cruise to simply be around Kate Gosselin, this has buyer-beware written all over it. It is unlikely (other than the running option) that there will be daily access to Kate.
The tweet was specific, Tom Cat Cafe in Sinking Spring.
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There are several places open for breakfast in that area. A Google search could pull any one of them up. Anyone could have found a restaurant in the area and posted that Kate and Jon was seen there. I take it all with a grain of salt.
From what I have read, that cruise ship is awesome, although not my cup of tea with all those people. Having said that, I think there is plenty enough to do without paying extra to spend a little time with Kate Gosselin. I can't wait for those saps to blog or tweet about how they got ripped off.
So what charity do you think Kate is donating her proceeds to? Hmmmm? Someone should tweet that to her. I find it interesting that most celebs don't pocket the money according to "Lido Deck". How about "giving back"?
One person mentioned her kids were going on the cruise, but only she was taking the Kate package which made the cost of the cruise less expensive. Maybe others also asked the travel agency about doing the same thing. So now as an incentive, Kate says that the twins are going, so that more people will include their kids in the package, and not just themselves.
So it's not only baiting the fans to come, it's also baiting them to sign up their children too. One fan even tweeted how excited her daughter will be to meet the twins. Wonder how she'll feel if that doesn't happen.
Another "working" vacation? Jon probably did grant permission for the twins to go on the cruise, otherwise the judge would have ruled in Kate's favor anyway, being that "working" is the operative word here. What I would like to see in the spirit of compromise, is for Jon to have the tups for the seven or eight days(if Jon has vacation time)and to take them to the Jersey shore. Maybe Jon's mother or brother could go along sharing expenses. Being near a boardwalk with arcades and rides would appeal to 7/8 yr olds. Heck, the tups might even gain a few pounds.
Jumping In, someone already brought up the shore excursion with Kate. The travel agent made of point of saying that the cost of this IS included in the Kate "package," which implies that all of the others are at additional cost.
I read a bunch of reviews of RC and other cruises, and there are some real horror stories out there (especially for those ships that have been hit with the novovirus). On these huge ships, there are apparently lines for everything, including all of the shows and even just to get off/on the ship for the excursions. But what really stands out to me is how much extra money it will cost you on board the ship. Having to pay every time you want a drink, INCLUDING BOTTLED WATER ($3 each for the generic "RC" brand, MORE for Evian)? And you can't bring any beverages of your own on board (they search your luggage!?!). Other comments noted that the main dining rooms, which are included in the cruise price, were often lacking in variety and served tiny portions--to encourage people to go to the dining venues that cost an additional fee. It didn't sound to me like you could really manage to spend less than $100/day over and above the base fare. Even at the cheapest "Kate rate" of $1,900, by the time you pay for airfare, port transfers, and other basic costs, this trip sounds like a minimum of $3,000 per person.
Not my kind of trip, of that I am sure. Unless it was a smaller ship--I could probably handle something under 1,000 people.
Regarding the Twitter thing...
I sometimes read the tweets because I'm curious if any new fans have signed up for the cruise. I think that the tally of those who signed up for the package, at least according to those who proudly proclaim there that they are going, isn't more than six. I try to scroll past the attacks that are flung back and forth by the fans and haters, although sometimes some of the comments leave me with a dropped jaw. It's often difficult to wade through this battleground in the search for cruising Kate fans.
I have been doing sociological research for a community project, and I became curious about the demographics of the fans and non-fans on Twitter. Who are these people? What sociological theories apply to them and how do they relate to macro, micro and meso sociology, social systems and structures? In the Twitter world, is this the societal norm? What influences their behavior? They certainly are a curious group.
NLAN, yes I used your name as you were the poster who said something I responded to, which I am now too lazy to go find. I apologize; rather than go into a diatribe, I think it's fair to say there are definitely people who do it, and you may not be someone who goes out of their way to do so.
I like reading this blog. It's entertaining. I've tried to join in, but usually am ignored because I am not a regular. That's fine in itself, but there are other posters who would also like to join in who get the same treatment or, worse, are insulted and driven off. Not every new person is a sheeple.
So I am sorry for picking your name out of the hat, but my point stands.
Maybe Mady and Cara can put together a little song and dance routine and perform on stage on the cruise. Kate is always putting hints out there that it is Mady's dream (Kate's dream) to be a Disney star. Too bad she couldn't grift a Disney cruise to showcase her talents.
Oh...I want to hurl. A cruise "career?"
Will someone ever cut Kate down? Her TV "career" I feel is over, but a cruise career? Excuse me while I go laugh hysterically.
If people want to watch Kate play on the beach with her kids...uh, you all need lives. That is just so creepy.
I'm worried about Kate meeting her fans in person. I truly am. Behind a screen on Twitter anyone could be anyone. And anyone isn't always, well, how can I say, decent? I hope that's the right word.
Once a Viewer said... 181
Kate's been tweeting a lot more about running since the RW article...me thinks it went to that BIG head in the photo! maybe she'll switch from TV personality to world-class athlete?
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She tweeted a little while ago that Rod Dixon (trainer-guy) told her that running marathons is "$ in bank". She does not do anything unless there's money involved. Thing is, she'll only make money off of endorsements (and who would want her to endorse their product if real runners think she's a joke?) or making a name for herself as a trainer (HA! She made such a big deal out of NOT using a trainer) or some fitness video deal (once again--HA!). She is not a new face who can carve out an identity for herself and make money off it. She is one of the most hated people in America. She seems to forget that.
Jumping In, someone already brought up the shore excursion with Kate. The travel agent made of point of saying that the cost of this IS included in the Kate "package," which implies that all of the others are at additional cost.
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There are only two ports, Jamaica and Mexico. There is no charge for the private island excursion. You can only do one excursion in one day. What is unclear is WHERE the Kate shore excursion is held...unless I missed that. If the excursion is on the private island, then cruisers will need to pay for excursions in both Jamaica and Mexico, if they want to go. Excursions are not cheap. However, if the Kate excursion is in either Jamaica or Mexico, then they will only need to pay for one excursion. Personally, I never do a cruise where there are only two ports, plus a private island. It's just not worth it. We enjoy visiting several ports, often four or five consecutive islands on such a trip.
That's what is so darn confusing about this whole thing. The travel agency doesn't tell you where or what the excursion is. I would hope that the sheeple check the RC website to see what excursions are available for Mexico and Jamaica so they have some idea about the cost. But then again, they don't know which one is included for free. Would they be smart enough to call the agency and ask? Then again, maybe the agency doesn't even know.
As far as beverages are concerned - yes, there is an additional charge for bottled water, soda and alcohol. Beverage packages are available and this is much cheaper than ordering sodas "al a carte!" I've not been on any cruise where iced tea and juice weren't included in the price of the cruise. I've also never had any problem with the dining room food, either in taste or portions, or with long lines. Of course, I stick with the smaller cruise ships where quality and service still are important.
It is possible to keep on board expenses at a minimum if you don't use the salon or spa services, if you drink iced tea, if you stay away from the bar, and you resist the souvenirs in the shops. I've done cruises where my final account was minimal. Ships hate that! Of course, before I became aware of how to save on board, I was signing slips right and left and had the shock of my life when I went to settle my account. I imagine that the sheeple, who are not cruisers, will be among those who never keep track of what they are spending and will have to be picked up off the floor when they get the final bill!
I am departing Saturday on an Apple Vacation. First time. Part of a group/package put together by our seed corn company. It is an all-inclusive package to an island. So far, Apple has been efficient and forthcoming. Will let you know if there were surprises after departure.
Internet is expensive, so I will be out of touch here. I will have a lot of catching up to do when I get back home.
Aedulo said,
I like reading this blog. It's entertaining. I've tried to join in, but usually am ignored because I am not a regular. That's fine in itself, but there are other posters who would also like to join in who get the same treatment or, worse, are insulted and driven off. Not every new person is a sheeple.
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Oh, my gosh! Could we just move on? Not every poster has a personal response to his/her comments, nor do posters expect them. Not every poster is greeted with a "hail fellow, well met" comment, nor do they expect to be.
New York State of Mind (57)...."Hail fellow, well met". And, that is why I say we are a literate bunch of posters!
If Mady and Cara are really being taken on this fan cruise, I do hope that it gets canceled. If they go, I'm sure that the "bodyguard" will be glued to Khate while the girls are off with a nanny. Yeah sure, Khate, the bodyguard was always for the kids. This sure would be one event where the kids would need one as a buffer from the fans.
I agree that Khate's website is a disorganized mess. Like someone mentioned, I also went there a couple of weeks ago looking for something she had posted, and there is NO clear and easy way to find older posts there. I have actually never seen such a poorly organized website.
Not wanting to belabor this craziness at all, but I would like to say thank you to Dmasy, Katie Cry-duh, Annie2, Koopdedoo, Hey Jude, and anyone else that posted kind comments for me. I appreciate it very much. This nonsense happens from time to time here, so hopefully we can just get back to our regular Khate snarking. There never seems to be a shortage of material with this child exploiting, grifting narcissist.
tate said... 52
Maybe Mady and Cara can put together a little song and dance routine and perform on stage on the cruise. Kate is always putting hints out there that it is Mady's dream (Kate's dream) to be a Disney star. Too bad she couldn't grift a Disney cruise to showcase her talents.
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Bingo! My exact thoughts were that Kate will eventually try to get Mady (the wannabe star) out in public more. Therefore, I was not surprised that the twins were going on this cruise. Kate herself tweeted that Mady is taking voice lessons. It's a start to get her "out there" so she's not forgotten. Cara could probably care less about being dragged on this cruise, other than she'll at least get to go on a trip.
what exactly are two 11 1/2 yr old going to want to 'play' on the beach with their mother? I doubt if even the tups would actually play with her but at least that would be more age appropriate.
Khate the grifter probably read this. Perfect! She could sit on her lazy ass and tweet the day away. Not much different from what she does now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/29/kim-kardashian-snoop-dogg_n_1240339.html
forgot this...what kind of blog has 'comments' closed when they post stuff? The kind where the blogger is afraid, no, actually knows she can't take the crap that would be responded to her drivel.
Out and About, the idea that at a meal that is included in the fare you would have to pay extra for anything besides coffee or tea (whether it was a Coke or a fruit juice or bottled water; I could understand a surcharge for alcohol), and then have an additional gratuity tacked on to that (additional meaning above and beyond what you are already automatically being charged pp per day for the waiter), well, that to me is ridiculous. Point taken about the shore excursion--I would bet that the Kate excursion IS the Haiti "private island" and this of course will be the one included in the Kate package.
Yes, I hope that the less than 10 super fans who are going on this trip enjoy the heck out of watching Kate, Mady and Cara "frolicking" on a beach.
I'm sure picture taking will cost extra, though, as Steve drives a scooter around to the fans collecting their money. LOL
Agreed, Out and About. Anybody can post anything on Twitter. The issue I have is with the timing....lunch meeting, Jon's breakup, announcement of twins on cruise, now INF pics of Jon.. Nothing is a coincidence in Gosselin World.
Point taken about the shore excursion--I would bet that the Kate excursion IS the Haiti "private island" and this of course will be the one included in the Kate package.
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Yes. It makes sense since it was advertised somewhere that sheeple could watch Kate play on the beach. It would be very easy to do on the private island (Haiti). It's basically a beach adventure on that island, whereas, if it would be in Mexico or Jamaica, they'd have to arrange for transportation to the beaches. Not likely.
"...and then have an additional gratuity tacked on to that (additional meaning above and beyond what you are already automatically being charged pp per day for the waiter), well, that to me is ridiculous.
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Charging for beverages is how they make money! We've also done away with the soda package. My kids know that they have to deal with iced tea or juice for a week. They survive! The only time you tip for soda or beverages is if you tip them at the pool when they bring it, or at the bar, or in the casino. It's optional. Some cruise lines automatically add tips for the waiter, cabin stewards, housekeepers...so much per person per day. I think that RC is still all optional tipping. When the sheeple see "gratuities included," they probably think ALL tips, which isn't the case.
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Also it is so absurd that they didn't realize how utterly CREEPY it sounded to talk about fans wanting to watch Kate play on the beach with the kids. What the hell?
Who, what, Gross!!! Who wants to watch some other family play on the beach on their vacation??? Other than creeps?
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Voyeurs...
Losers...
Weirdos...
Crazies...
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And YES, that is a really creepy selling point- promising the fans a chance at watching Kate play on the beach with the kids.
Sounds something akin to going to a zoo to visit the animals.
Hey, maybe one of the reasons why Kate went back to the Australian Zoo was to check out how to turn her kids into a living exhibit.
*Fun fun family games with Kate and staff
Are the twins are now considered to be "and staff"?
As to Kate's donating the proceeds to charity, maybe she's going to donate to the Human Fund...
I'm sure picture taking will cost extra, though, as Steve drives a scooter around to the fans collecting their money. LOL
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He's going to have to rent an aqua taxi, or dune buggy. Driving that scooter around in the sand and water may be challenging!
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I agree Steve will not be along on the cruise to "guard" the twins. He's Kate's minder (and she wants her alone dinner time with him and whatever else they do). A normal parent would not bring along a nanny, but Kate will. She can't be bothered to be a real parent.
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The twins dont need a nanny, they need a bodyguard. They need someone to protect them from all of the fans and disagreeable people on the ship. They need someone who is capable of physically protecting them from all dangers. They are old enough to schedule their own activities on the ship and stick to the schedule. Most cruses have lots of fun activities for tweens. They also do their best to watch the children during the activities. Their parents are less likely to drink, shop and eat at expensive restaurants when they are minding their children. Most tweens would be safe running around with their newly made friends on the ship in the kids activity areas. I dont feel that way about the Gosselin children. They need some protection.
Internet is expensive, so I will be out of touch here. I will have a lot of catching up to do when I get back home.
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Have a great trip! Yes, internet is expensive. It brings back memories! On one trip, we had a computer in our cabin. I thought...this is great! I checked the per minute charges and they were crazy, so I used it for five minutes or so and shut it off. At least I THOUGHT it was turned off. When I got my final bill, the internet charge was more than a thousand dollars. I had to get the tech guy to verify that the computer malfunctioned and I only used it for a few minutes.
So they can watch Kate and the twins "playing on the beach"? What will they be playing-Hide and Seek?
I'd really like to know what this will entail:
•Doesn't Kate always have the best ideas! Learn a new craft from the professional herself
Anyone have any ideas? I'm sure we could come up with a list.
How about-make a handy chart to keep a list of possible companies you can grift from. Keep track of the freebies you've received. Make reminders to let them know when you're getting low on their products. Everything you need, organized in just one place. PS: There is an extra cost for all materials used in this project.
From Wikipedia: Approximately 6,000 people per day visited the observation gallery that surrounded an outdoor playground to view the Dionne sisters. Ample parking was provided and almost 3,000,000 people walked through the gallery between 1936 and 1943. Oliva Dionne ran a souvenir shop and a concession store opposite the nursery and the area acquired the name "Quintland".
I know this blog has touched on this before, but notice how "watching Kate play on the beach with her children" sounds eerily like the Dionne Quintuplets and their reality. We know how that turned out for them.
The children have my sympathy.
Oh,I have lovely, caring, children. They never ask about my day. They tell me about theirs and I listen.
There is only one problem with the fans watching KT play with the kids - she by her own admission does not play with her kids.
Allison J. said... 23
Have you seen the tweet from last night? "who won the bet on my bedtime". Wow, just like, wow? This woman's narcissism has no boundaries!
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I had EXACTLY the same reaction. Kate is one sick, sick puppy.
Most tweens would be safe running around with their newly made friends on the ship in the kids activity areas
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Not mine. I always know where they are. I don't trust an on board activities director/sitter that I have never met. One reason is that in the case of an emergency (such as the one on Costa), I wouldn't know where my kids are. It's every parent's worst nightmare.
She 'll donate to The Human Fund! Too funny. A Seinfeld classic.
Does anyone really think that KT or any of her fans would feel the need to tip, if not mandated?
I don't think the optional gratuities will be a problem.
I just can't see KT being one to tip, not even for a nice dinner. She is on the receiving end, not the giving side.
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Administrator said... 5 Just to try to get this back to a nice place, Canuck I happen to agree with your comments. But please don't add little snide remarks like get a hobby. Be nice to each other, please.
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You're right Admin - I apologize to all. I guess it's really about questioning myself and why I find this whole Gosselin thing so darned addictive and hard to turn away from. But I should only reference myself - on re-reading it does sound snide. My apologies again to anyone I offended.
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Canuck, honestly I didn't take what you said that way; however, I can see why some might. I want to both applaud you and thank you for the apology, because it takes a big person to say I'm sorry, and it's something I admire.
New York State of Mind said (And this is now Aeduko's last post on this topic):
Oh, my gosh! Could we just move on? Not every poster has a personal response to his/her comments, nor do posters expect them. Not every poster is greeted with a "hail fellow, well met" comment, nor do they expect to be
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I never said I expected to be. Where I live it is polite to say hello to people introducing themselves. It's just common courtesy. And had you not bitched about what I said (which was essentially an apology to someone else) I would have already made my last post on the topic.
thanks Titanic and koopedoo..
One more thought....how well does Kate trust Skeve-o...How well does she REALLY know him?
Basically, she trust him to be around her young kids and pre-teen daughters....
I really hope he's not a Bill Blankenship.
And had you not bitched about what I said (which was essentially an apology to someone else) I would have already made my last post on the topic.
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I didn't bitch. I simply stated what I thought to be true - not everyone expects to be greeted, and not everyone expects a dialogue every time they comment. If that's bitching, then so be it!
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New York State of Mind (57)...."Hail fellow, well met". And, that is why I say we are a literate bunch of posters!"
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What can I say? I teach Old English lit. You know, Beowulf, Spenser's Faerie Queene, Canterbury Tales - all those exciting classics that kids are really into! :)
In the episodes where we saw Steve...he appeared to have absolutely *no* interest in the kids whatsoever.
Not even as fellow human beings.
I'd feel sorry for the kids if he was their new step-dad. Talk about non-nuturing....between him and Kate those poor kids wouldn't stand a chance.
Permanent Name and others who have discussed the "beach playing" ha! I was sitting here thinking the exact same thing. What a sad scenario it would be.
I mean, if they're really honest about the whole thing, they WOULD have seating (PAID SEATING), velvet ropes, and a TWINS AND KATE PLAYING AREA, NO WATER SPLASHING ALLOWED, NO SAND ON KATE ALLOWED.
Someone from the cruise line would have to come up with a project for them to do, because Kate would insist on that. She doesn't just play. Spontaneous is not her thing. So she'd march in to the little sand arena, dragging the two poor girls behind her (WHEN YOU'RE WITH ME, YOU'RE RUNNING, GOT IT?). She'd bark orders at the two girls for 20 minutes, issue dozens of pissy, hissy sighs, roll her eyes multiple times, never look at the audience. She'd change the rules up on whatever dumb faux-project they had to do and confuse the girls. She'd issue threats to them if they stepped out of line.
Steve would be charging people $10 per picture, even if taken with their own cameras. MO MONEY!
Then, even though it was billed as an hour long attraction, it would be over after just 20 minutes, because Kate is EXHAUSTED and SHE'S DONE.
Later, her tweet about it would read like this:
Had AMAZINGtime on GEORGOUS beach w/M&C, SO lucky 2B mom! They can't stop thnking me! SO glad I can make memories happen! MY DREAM!
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By the way, I have a friend who does this thing every now and then that cracks the rest of us up: someone is talking and she'll say, "ANYWAY! BACK TO ME!" She's totally kidding, which is why we laugh, but it's the best narcissist impersonation ever. (Her mom is one.)
One more thought....how well does Kate trust Skeve-o...How well does she REALLY know him?
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I think Kate knows Steve (cough) intimately enough to trust him around the kids.
The Cardellas - David and Cindy - are tweeting up a storm. They remind me of the pitchmen on the Atlantic City boardwalk. Perhaps if someone told them that if they had full disclosures on their website, or at least a website such as the one advertising the Donny and Marie cruise, that it might spark some attention and not be regarded as shoddy and evasive!
Had AMAZINGtime on GEORGOUS beach w/M&C, SO lucky 2B mom! They can't stop thnking me! SO glad I can make memories happen! MY DREAM!
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Dead on! Are you sure you aren't Kate?
You forgot: I breathe 4 them they are my possessions xo$xo$$$! But not my commodities!
Admin, I thought about including that, but didn't have enough room in the "tweet." LOL!
It's one thing I've always found EXTRA disturbing about Kate: how different the person is in the hundreds of hours of video footage you can see of her and how she is on Twitter. I can see why people thought at first that someone else was tweeting for her.
If she tweeted as her real self, it would be things like:
HANG ON I HEAR SOME KIDS HAVING FUN, HAVE TO GO STOP IT RIGHT NOW.
I wonder what the newest book to be signed will be...the I Just Want You to Know? It's not that new and did not get very good reviews...is it possible Kate has a another book coming out?? Recipes? Running? A Collection of Tweets?
I just spent way too much time trying to find the picture of one of the girl tups cuddling up to Skeevie. Couldn't find it.
My eyes hurt. So much fucking Kate out there. She must be so proud that you can google her name and THOUSANDS of photos of her kids pop-up!
Wonderful legacy.
Then, even though it was billed as an hour long attraction, it would be over after just 20 minutes, because Kate is EXHAUSTED and SHE'S DONE.
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Yep and even 20 minutes is a stretch. I wonder if she'll be as pissy to the RC staff as she was to Mr. Rafter man on the CO river.
AuntieAnn: agreed. She's probably going to try to get out of as many of those activities as possible, anyway, and 20 minutes would indeed be a stretch.
Once a Viewer: I doubt it so much, I'm willing to bet my retirement account that she doesn't have a book coming out. Or even a publisher interested. Or even a decent idea for a book.
Had AMAZINGtime on GEORGOUS beach w/M&C, SO lucky 2B mom! They can't stop thnking me! SO glad I can make memories happen! MY DREAM!
Ah.....NOW I understand her tweets. We just have to reverse translate them. :)
Dallas Lady: lol,I agree 100% ...but then there's always vanity press where you can pay to have your book published. She could take up a collection via Twitter.
Mel, I would disagree about Steve interacting with the kids. I have seen clips (the most recent being the RV trip) where he is playing with the kids. Not very many, I grant you, but a few. No, he's not warm and fuzzy and yes his focus is on Kate but I don't think he appears to hate the kids or even just merely tolerate them.
I think he treats them very much in the way Kate expects him to, based on her Dr. Drew comments:
1) These are my kids, not yours. Translation: I expect you to be nice to them but you are not to form long term relationships. Your focus should be entirely on me.
2) I expect you to enforce everything I say and back me up when my kids mouth off or talk back to me. Translation: "Did you hear what your mother just said? Then go do it!" I lay down the law and you enforce it. I don't care how you get it done, just do it. Remember, if you're helping me, you should be running!
3)Make sure you keep the kids quiet. Especially when we're trick or treating.
Kate treats Steve in many ways just the same way she treated Jon. I think that's how Kate will treat any man, frankly. The only difference is that Steve can threaten her with leaving and, since she has no real ties to him, there's nothing she can hold over him or do to make him suffer if he did leave. Kate needs Steve more than he needs her, and both of them know it.
Many people speculate that TLC is continuing to pay for Steve's services through February 2012, which is when her alleged contract expired. Possibly. I think Steve just likes the good life every bit as much as Kate and is willing to let her pick up the tab. He's not the first man to do this nor will he be the last. And when the well runs dry, he'll move on.
I was just thinking (and HI KATE, this is something you should think about too) if she is nasty to the staff it could backfire on her big time. You can't just dive off the side of the boat and escape those people you are ugly to. They could do any number of things to get back at her. She's got to play nice for the duration of the cruise and one thing she isn't is congenial. She may come back in a strait jacket. hehe.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 89: You forgot: I breathe 4 them they are my possessions xo$xo$$$! But not my commodities!
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I thought that they were extensions of herself! Isn't that what she said?
My EYES! said... 92
I just spent way too much time trying to find the picture of one of the girl tups cuddling up to Skeevie. Couldn't find it.
My eyes hurt. So much fucking Kate out there. She must be so proud that you can google her name and THOUSANDS of photos of her kids pop-up!
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Is this what you were looking for? I certainly wouldn't want photos of my kids and Steve on the internet:
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Thanks, NLAN.
THAT'S the one. How disturbing is that?
"The only difference is that Steve can threaten her with leaving and, since she has no real ties to him, there's nothing she can hold over him or do to make him suffer if he did leave."
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She could spill everything to his wife.
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"The only difference is that Steve can threaten her with leaving and, since she has no real ties to him, there's nothing she can hold over him or do to make him suffer if he did leave."
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That would only work if Gina was completely ignorant to the whole thing, and how could she be?
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I was just thinking (and HI KATE, this is something you should think about too) if she is nasty to the staff it could backfire on her big time. You can't just dive off the side of the boat and escape those people you are ugly to. They could do any number of things to get back at her. She's got to play nice for the duration of the cruise and one thing she isn't is congenial. She may come back in a strait jacket. hehe
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Do cruise ships have a brig? A straitjacket and the brig for Katie Irene! And they could let people in once a day to gawk at her behind bars!
That should be AuntieAnn said . . . . I cut off part of her name when I was cutting and pasting.
NJGal51 said... 69
*Fun fun family games with Kate and staff
Are the twins are now considered to be "and staff"?
-- Well NJGal the twins DO work for Kate and have for many years :))
A straitjacket and the brig for Katie Irene! And they could let people in once a day to gawk at her behind bars!
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That's a good idea. Then she'd know how her kids feel.
(I didn't know what a brig was. lol. thanks Susantoyota)
That would only work if Gina was completely ignorant to the whole thing, and how could she be?
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I agree. Unless she's wearing earplugs a blindfold and is living under a rock, she HAS to know.
Have the sheeple made any comments about Kate's "I don't want to...it wasn't part of it" remark at The Grove, or did they just ignore it, hoping it would go away?
Nope. Sheep don't comment on the negative. They are positive, upbeat people and only see the good in Kate. I'm sure she was stressed, hungry, tired, had low-blood sugar or was just being KATE!
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Thanks for that Judy. I just had a lapse in judgment and manners for a minute.
How many episodes of Kateplus8 did Steve appear in? It seems he was very prominent in a lot of the last episodes. Could it be that now he has experienced his taste of fame, that the only reason he is still hanging with Kate is because he hopes that she will get a celebrity career and if she does, he wants to be a part of it.
The sheeple have always claimed that Ellen was using Jon to ride on his coattails. To me, that IS exactly what Steve is doing.
I have to laugh at the question of "does Kate trust Steve" (with the kids.)
Kate has NEVER cared who's with the kids. Teenaged babysitters, shot girls, and PEDOPHILES are fine as long as Kate doesn't have to "deal with this" and is comfortable in her chair.
the sheeple are, I'm sure, afraid to speak of anything negative to kate in fear of being blocked by kate. so they all fawn all over everything she says.
MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 Im beginning 2think U ran another #marathon 2day! Where have U gone? Miss "Twitter Absent" Kate
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Milo is continually timing how long Kate's been off twitter and asking where she is.
I can't imagine this woman on the cruise. She'd be on the freakin' loud speaker yellin' and hollerin' for Kate every hour on the hour!
In regard to the twins going on the cruise, I saw this tweet from one of the fans who had booked the cruise:
gypsi001
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 i knew since i got my tickets. I didnt want 2 broadcast cuz i hadnt seen any tweets about it.but im hap they goin
So did the travel agency give out this information even though they kept saying that they didn't know which kids were going? It just keeps on getting more suspicious.
It's like the travel agency's policy is pay up first, THEN we will give you more info.
Wonder if signing a confidentially agreement is included in the requirements for booking the cruise.
Why does she even still have Steve? I am meaning as just a bodyguard. Why?
She isn't working for TLC. I am pretty darn sure she could go about her business in PA without him.
What is he being paid for? It is not like she is traveling all the time now. No specials, no talk show sits, no book signings. Nothing.
How does she afford him? She is a "single" mom of 8 kids on a blogging job. I mean if she didn't have all this money put away.
The whole things just is not right. When Steve goes her whole image will probably suffer.
I've got this magnet on my fridge that says, "WHAT? NO MORE CHOCOLATE?" And I am waiting for the day from Kate, "WHAT? NO MORE BODYGUARD?"
I'm no expert....but don't most bodyguards at least try and stay in shape? Looking at those pictures linked above and pictures of him lately... It looks as if staying in shape is the last thing on his mind. Looks as if he has got verrrrrry comfy.
Tweet-le De @ 115...I can't imagine this woman on the cruise. She'd be on the freakin' loud speaker yellin' and hollerin' for Kate every hour on the hour!
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Is she going, or is she still begging Kate to talk to hubby? I thought she was dying. Is she now in the Lazarus mode?
It's like the travel agency's policy is pay up first, THEN we will give you more info.
Wonder if signing a confidentially agreement is included in the requirements for booking the cruise.
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It seems like anything involving Kate has to be shrouded in mystery like she's some kind of foreign agent. I think people who deal with her find her so unpredictable they can't put anything down in black and white for fear she'll change her mind, her story, her hair, her schedule...whatever. It's baffling what the big secret is, she blabs everything on twitter. What's left? (I mean aside from the blatant affair she's having with her buddy Steve.)
Lazarus mode. Bwahaha!! Love it Moose.
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I'm no expert....but don't most bodyguards at least try and stay in shape?
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He is NOT a bodyguard. I doubt he ever was one. He is her handler and her secret sex toy. LOL
He is getting porky, isn't he? I guess he isn't on her super special ace diet of lettuce.
I think he treats them very much in the way Kate expects him to, based on her Dr. Drew comments:
1) These are my kids, not yours. Translation: I expect you to be nice to them but you are not to form long term relationships. Your focus should be entirely on me.
You totally got that right. Maybe it isn't that he's not interested in the kids, he just knows which side his bread is buttered on.
I think that was the problem on the RV trip with Ashley/Jamie. They were forming a relationship with each other (and the kids), and their main focus was no longer on Kate.
Although I don't know what Kate expected there. It was only natural that they were going to bond with each other against the rigidity of Kate.
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Tweet-le De @ 115...I can't imagine this woman on the cruise. She'd be on the freakin' loud speaker yellin' and hollerin' for Kate every hour on the hour!
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Is she going, or is she still begging Kate to talk to hubby? I thought she was dying. Is she now in the Lazarus mode?
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Milo hasn't said she's going. I was just imagining how horrible it would be having her on the cruise.
She hasn't asked Kate to talk to her husband lately either. Maybe she finally got the message Kate isn't going to do that.
I think she's holding out hope that she can go.
Well, I guess there goes the breakfast/Jon/Kate conspiracy. Gypsi had her tickets for quite some time, and if she was told when she bought the tickets, then the twins were already confirmed way back then.
Good question about the confidentiality contract? Kate would be more likely to demand that than any other celebrity. Normal would be to want word of mouth and happy reports. Kate might have some serious "grouchy" to hide.
I think Jon and Kate were meeting for breakfast to probably discuss kid related issues. As Admin said, Jon may just have insisted that they meet face to face or maybe they're just at a point now where they can do that. It has been three years, after all. Good for them, if they've come that far. We should remember, they are co-parenting 8 kids and I for one hope that they can continue to put the kids needs ahead of their own personal feelings for each other.
Jon has already said he doesn't care what Kate says about him, he knows the truth and so do his kids and that's all that matters to him. Kudos to him for letting Kate's recent comments on Dr. Drew wash over him.
I don't think there's any conspiracy between Jon and Kate, I don't think they're in cahoots. I don't think she's paying him to allow the girls to go.
I think this was simply two parents coming together for their kids. Nothing more to read into it than that.
Good question about the confidentiality contract? Kate would be more likely to demand that than any other celebrity. Normal would be to want word of mouth and happy reports. Kate might have some serious "grouchy" to hide.
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That's a very good question. I'd ask Cindy whats-her-name, but probably wouldn't get a straight answer anyway. Still, would be interesting to put it out there. The agency probably never thought about it.
Just a thought about the Steve and Kate relationship. I think it would be difficult to hide being a couple. Body language is fairly easy to read. It would take tremendous effort to fool observant people. Room arrangements would need to be deceptively arranged. Surely, someone would know by now if they were an item.
I don't know if this has been posted yet (I'm behind) but Madonna was on Anderson Cooper today. Someone in the audience asked her what she thought about the reality stars of today. She was very polite but said that they have no talent or art to give and have not had to work hard for being famous. She said "you can get in the door but that doesn't mean you'll stay in the room". Hear that, Kate??
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It's like the travel agency's policy is pay up first, THEN we will give you more info.
Wonder if signing a confidentially agreement is included in the requirements for booking the cruise.
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It seems like anything involving Kate has to be shrouded in mystery like she's some kind of foreign agent. I think people who deal with her find her so unpredictable they can't put anything down in black and white for fear she'll change her mind, her story, her hair, her schedule...whatever. It's baffling what the big secret is, she blabs everything on twitter. What's left? (I mean aside from the blatant affair she's having with her buddy Steve.)
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Yes, Auntie Ann...her affair with Steve is BLATANT to anyone who has followed them for years, read all the reports about people who have caught them being "too close"...(too many to mention, but, as I've said countless times, I have info from my best friend regarding this...there's the DJ who saw them holding hands but failed to take a pic, the NY Times reporter on Bald Head...it goes on and on and on)...in fact, it's readily apparent to anyone with a 2-digit I.Q., and Steve is NOT being paid by Kate...he is INVOLVED w/ Kate.
I was wondering if anyone has asked kate on twitter, which charity she is donating some/all of her cruise ship money to? I would, but don't do twitter. Is it true that Babymama has changed her family cruise from Disney to the one kate is giving?
"Why does she even still have Steve? I am meaning as just a bodyguard. Why?
She isn't working for TLC. I am pretty darn sure she could go about her business in PA without him."
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It is a joke.
I live in an area of Northern California where many ex-49ers live. It's not uncommon to see Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, etc walking around, at the movies, at restaurants.
Those four guys are in the HALL OF FAME and they dont have bodyguards. Very approachable, most of the time you never see anyone hounding them for autographs or anything. On the occasion someone does ask I have NEVER seen one refused from the many ex-athletes you encounter in everyday life.
kHate is just an insecure, delusional, sociopath who is addicted to false praise, attention and fame. It makes her feel important to have a bodyguard and allows her to behave like the bitch that we all see.
To Sport (#133): Thanks for having the guts and the courage to call Khate Gosselin out for what she REALLY IS: A SOCIOPATH. Sociopaths do indeed have narcissistic character traits, but most people, in talking about Khate Gosselin, don't have the guts to take it further and call her what she REALLY is. Remember, not all sociopaths are murderers who get their Sunday night movie of the week on TV. Just because Khate Goseelin has not murdered anyone does not mean she isn't a sociopath. I wish more people would have to courage and guts to use the word sociopath in describing Khate Grossein, but they don't.
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Just a thought about the Steve and Kate relationship. I think it would be difficult to hide being a couple. Body language is fairly easy to read. It would take tremendous effort to fool observant people. Room arrangements would need to be deceptively arranged. Surely, someone would know by now if they were an item.
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Dmasy, to be fair, there have been several people who have commented that they've seen Steve and Kate acting like a couple. The Huffington Post article was one, which stated they were touching legs. Also, people have twittered they've seen them holding hands, etc.
I've been on the fence for a while, especially because I just don't see the attraction. But if Steve likes her or is attracted to her, then I guess more power to him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katy-hall/kate-plus-8-on-bald-head_b_682082.html
Titanic..."about Khate Gosselin, don't have the guts to take it further and call her what she REALLY is...I wish more people would have to courage and guts to use the word sociopath in describing Khate Grossein, but they don't."
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Why? What good (or bad) would it do? What would be accomplished if someone had guts and courage to call her a sociopath?
Judy K...there's the DJ who saw them holding hands but failed to take a pic, the NY Times reporter on Bald Head...it goes on and on and on)...in fact, it's readily apparent to anyone with a 2-digit I.Q., and Steve is NOT being paid by Kate...he is INVOLVED w/ Kate.
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It's amazing that in nearly three years, and with all of the traveling, and all of the opportunities for paps to get a picture, or for hotel employees to grab a shot of them going into their hotel room, or for a waiter to catch them holding hands under a table, that nothing has appeared in the tabs or online.
Either they've been really, really careful, really, really lucky, or the scant unconfirmed reports that come out are just that -- rumors. What is the "goes and on and on?" Who else missed photo ops or saw them getting cozy? Do you have links? It must have been online somewhere, but I can't remember these eye-witnesses flooding the internet.
One of these days, if something is going on, they'll slip up. Until then, I'm on the fence about their relationship.
I've often wondered why people who read or post here haven't done some low level reconnaissance.
I mean, there is no one from Steve and Gina's neck of the woods that reads and posts here that can confirm whether they see Steve hanging around Potomac, Maryland?
There are no readers or posters on this blog who live in Reading/Wernersville, PA who can state whether they regularly see him around town? I mean, the man can't stay in the McMansion all day if he's living at Kate's. No one sees him at the local restaurant or pizzeria?
I mean, someone, somewhere has to have seen something. All you Lancaster, PA posters who comment regularly about the kids' school, you've never seen Steve out and about?
Why the silence? I just never quite got that. Could someone explain?
To those that are wondering, I have only posted as Ex Burn Nurse, Ex Nurse, and once (accidentally) as Ex Burn and have never posted anywhere else. I cannot stand Kate Gosselin and no one else in my life will listen or talk about it anymore, so (head hanging, lip stuck out, a little catch in my throat)), I need you guys,So, will put my big girl panties on now, and apologize for stomping on toes. It feels like the big dogs just smacked down the puppy to teach it manners. Lesson learned...moving on.
I'm no expert....but don't most bodyguards at least try and stay in shape?
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He is getting porky, isn't he? I guess he isn't on her super special ace diet of lettuce.
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Yea, I guess now that he's in a relationship he's let himself go.
Ex Nurse - It seems that tensions have run high here the past few days and I just want to tell you that I always enjoy reading your posts. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that all of us on this blog want to be friends and put the ugliness behind us. I hope that you will stay :)
First of all, affairs CAN be well hidden. Second, I think we have to understand Kate is not known by a ton of people and of those who do know her, they don't know nearly the details about this whole saga we do. The average person might assume Steve already is her boyfriend and not a married man, and not think twice--not think to take a picture, or post on twitter about it, or anything.
When I see various celebs in L.A. out with whatever unknown boyfriend I don't think twice about it. Other than the most major celebs like say Brad Pitt, I don't think the average person knows who is with who when how and why. I know I can't keep up with it. For all I know, I just saw someone having an affair. But I don't follow these people close enough to know the difference.
I think if an average person happened to catch a glimpse of Kate with Steve, they might be coming from the same place--just not abel to recognize what they are seeing is significant.
I'm still not sure whether they are having an affair, but I actually think the strongest evidence is in who is NOT in Kate's life. Another boyfriend. What baby wants baby gets. If Kate wanted a boyfriend, she will get one. If you notice, she isn't even really TALKING about men anymore. I guess she got tired pretending she wants a boyfriend. Once you get settled and comfortable in a relationship I imagine it's hard to keep saying over and over I want a boyfriend, etc. etc. She pulls out the tired little speech for Dr. Drew, but she really hasn't kept up this story much elsewhere. This is not true for all women in Kate's shoes, but I think someone like Kate really wants a drill sergeant around and wouldn't be able to stay single like this. I find it highly suspicious someone like her can go this long without a man. Unless she DOES have a man, secretly.
Stupid Is said... 113
I have to laugh at the question of "does Kate trust Steve" (with the kids.)
Kate has NEVER cared who's with the kids. Teenaged babysitters, shot girls, and PEDOPHILES are fine as long as Kate doesn't have to "deal with this" and is comfortable in her chair.
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I agree with you.
My point of asking if she is okay with him being around the kids is because many women, who are desperate to stay in a relationship, turn a blind eye to what is going on between their bf and kids. We see it all the time - a woman chooses a guy over her own flesh and blood. Now, I AM NOT saying that Skeve-o is molesting any of the kids. HOWEVER....as a mother myself, I find it disturbing that Kate has a pattern of behavior that demonstrates not the best judgement...her tweets to possible dangerous fans, ignoring the crazy stuff, announcing details of the family home (door broken, dog not always inside, etc..) We know she has never valued the kids privacy - diaper changing, baths and potty training all caught on camera and saying that whatever they caputre they can use.
I know I'm rambling, but my point is that she does not know what is going on behind closed doors....and she travels all the time with Skeve-o. Does she let him bathe the kids? RED FLAG!!! By the way - She stated that Mady helps with bathing the tups. If the situation were reversed and a pre-teen boy was asked to bathe younger girl siblings....I am anticipating the tell-all book from the kids. I just hope that there is not a revalation that Skeve-o was doing something the entire time.
Last point, then rant over - Grifty says that she runs as far as she can go because that means she has to run back, blah blah blah...some more BS. I look at that as another example of shitty parenting...What would happen if the school called and told her that one of the kids got seriously hurt and was on the way to the hospital...or someone got sick? Any other emergency? How would she get back to her car and quickly get to the school/hospital? Would she flag down a passing car...on a deserted road in rural PA? Use her phone to call the a cab or the cops to ask for a ride to the ER, then be a loving mom to hold her sick, scared child's hand and say that everything will be okay...Mommy's here....??
Oh Lordy Be.... I cracked myself up with that one. This is Kate Gosselin we're talking about. She put a vomiting, fever-ish toddler on the laundryroom floor just so that she would not have more work to do....
Nevermind.
Regarding the welcoming nature of this blog, I have to say because of the volume of posters here I'll admit I can't keep everyone straight at all times, and there's just too many posters here to pull out the red carpet and give you a fruit basket and gift certificate to Applebee's every time someone new shows up. I have two jobs plus a family plus somewhat of a life. It's not the same as a new neighbor moving in. It's a blog. Just jump right in if you want to talk.
There are so many posts here I would like to respond to but can't because of time. Posts that make me laugh, spit my drink, posts that made great points, etc. I reply to what I can and that's all I can do. I suspect that's what most other people do too. I have certain times I'm almost always never here, and if that's the times that certain other people are here, I'm probably not going to be replying much to their posts just because our schedules aren't the same. I can't speak for others, but personally I could care less if you've been here two years or two hours, if I'm here and see something in your post I want to reply to, I will. Not to say I don't appreciate people who have been here forever, but there's no special VIP club for them that I'm aware of and I've never gotten that sense.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is don't take offense by this. Just jump in, join the conversation. Don't assume that just because everyone didn't jump in right after you, that they didn't appreciate your post. But, do be aware that if you are breaking the rules (there's only four), it's not fair to cry that you weren't welcomed.
Thanks to everyone for helping to get us back on the tracks.
I've said this before but as far as Steve and the kids, I have absolutely no respect for how he treats them.
I can't think of a single man I know who wouldn't have told Kate that they will find something else to eat, they don't need to eat Mady's pizza, let the child have it.
Instead Steve stood there and LET Kate do that to Mady. It was disgusting. He is an a-hole. He is no MAN. I question what he is like as a father if that's how he is with her kids. That's all I need to know about his character to stand back and let a mother defend the "man" in her life over her own children.
Admin, does this mean I have to give back my fruit basket? ;)
Bearswife, shhh that was just between us!
JudyK said... 131
Yes, Auntie Ann...her affair with Steve is BLATANT to anyone who has followed them for years...
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Yeah, and I don't think we're imagining it. I'm sure they're way past the days of necking and petting in the back of the limo. (ugh, sorry for that visual) I just think if they're trying to hide it they're doing a lousy job. They appear like a couple who've grown on each other. Kate's reputation is shot anyway so why hide it?
"...(too many to mention, but, as I've said countless times, I have info from my best friend regarding this...
That sounds intriguing. Can you share with the class?
Gee after all this talk about them I'm about ready to break into a chorus of I yeee I yeee I will always love you oo OO woo - ala Whitney Houston.
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I mean, someone, somewhere has to have seen something. All you Lancaster, PA posters who comment regularly about the kids' school, you've never seen Steve out and about?
Why the silence? I just never quite got that. Could someone explain?
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I live in Berks and have never seen her anywhere. Three of my daughters have all worked at "Kate's" Target and have had interactions with her but I personally have never seen her.
One of my daughters ran into Jon at Legends (a local nightclub)a couple years ago. Her friend snapped a picture and was quickly surrounded by two big guys who grabbed his camera and deleted the pic.
She doesn't impress me, she is famous for what, having children. I think many locals don't like her because of all of her entitlement issues after the sextuplets were born.
I've said this before but as far as Steve and the kids, I have absolutely no respect for how he treats them.
I can't think of a single man I know who wouldn't have told Kate that they will find something else to eat, they don't need to eat Mady's pizza, let the child have it
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I agree 10 thousand percent.
What a total jackass.
Maybe Gina and the boys are happy he's gone and they don't have to put up with that crap anymore.
It seems to me that both Skeve-o and Grifty belong together.
Not sure where I herd this, but its so true here..
"When another woman steals your husband, the best revenge is to let her keep him..."
My hat is off to you, Gina, 20 years of putting up with that crap...you're FREE!!!!!!!!
Place your bets...if offered, will Grifty do "I'm a Celebrity, Get me out of here??"
To me, the test of a true man is how he treats others. Does he allow others to be bullied and picked on? Does he allow a woman to be mean and vile to her children? Does he allow anyone to treat others mean and vile?
A real man protects those around him, but doesn't defend those he loves at the expense of others.
Steve is just a douche with some rat claws following a horrible mother around for the fame and money and letting her be mean and cruel to others even her own kids. No thanks.
Silimom asked...I've often wondered why people who read or post here haven't done some low level reconnaissance...I mean, someone, somewhere has to have seen something. All you Lancaster, PA posters who comment regularly about the kids' school, you've never seen Steve out and about?
Why the silence? I just never quite got that. Could someone explain?
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I can't speak for others in the area, but I don't do stalking, even if it is the low level kind. I've never seen them in a compromising position. Even if I did, I wouldn't spread it over the internet. Why would I want to open that can of worms?
Downeaster Alexa said... 163
In three days I had a new, $120 Keurig at NO cost to me. All I had to do was mail them the K-cup holder out of my old machine. Now that's some awesome customer service.
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Did you have to give them a credit card number to guarantee that you would send the cup holder back to them (so they could charge your card for the new machine if you didn't return the cup holder)?
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No I didn't have to give them a credit card number, which really surprised me. They asked for the serial number from the machine, and the lady told me that she put the machine as unusable in their system. I had 30 days to mail them the K-cup holder as proof of ownership. I guess I would have received a bill after that 30 days if I had not done that. I really like my Keurig. It's not the cheapest way to drink coffee, but I only drink one cup a day. We've found a big box of K-cups from Sams club is the cheapest way to go.
What would happen if the school called and told her that one of the kids got seriously hurt and was on the way to the hospital...or someone got sick? Any other emergency?
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She wouldn't get to the hospital quickly even if she were at home. She'd have a 45 minute drive ahead of her if something happened at school. Of course, if she would have a relationship with the child's grandparents, they could be at the hospital in a flash to be with their grandchild.
Steve is just a douche with some rat claws following a horrible mother around for the fame and money and letting her be mean and cruel to others even her own kids. No thanks.
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The RV episode kind of proved that didn't it. I can't get over the stupid pizzagate thing and his attitude to the kids "whateva whateva". He treats them the same way Kate treats them... Commodities.
She wouldn't get to the hospital quickly even if she were at home. She'd have a 45 minute drive ahead of her if something happened at school.
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But it's 45 minutes PLUS any time it takes her to get back from her run. It's irrelevant how far the hospital is. It could be four hours away, the point being made is when she is on long runs it would be hard for her to get back quickly to her car.
But in any case, I don't really think she should be picked on for that. Lots of moms go for long runs or go places where it would take awhile to get to their car. I'd rather have her do it when they are at school anyway, not when they are home during the precious hours they have with her, as she always talks about running around dusk. Sigh.
The RV episode kind of proved that didn't it. I can't get over the stupid pizzagate thing and his attitude to the kids "whateva whateva". He treats them the same way Kate treats them... Commodities.
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It did indeed. Up until then I really couldn't say either way whether Steve was good to the kids. Now I know. He sucks. Big time. Just like Kate.
If there is a post regarding the differences *coughliescough* with the running article and Kate's comments prior, you should just go whole hog and do top 10 biggest/worst lies. From the really horrible ones, such as telling her kids over and over that she and daddy will be together forever even though they were already apart at the time, to the pointless ones shhe tells on a daily basis.
Well, she came out of her groundhog hole to say goodnight. Gawd, she's nauseating. Mom of 8. Mom of 8. Mom of 8. She's tweeting like she's talking to Kindergarteners.
What if she only had two? Would she keep reminding everyone that she had twins?
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It's late, I know... But I'm saying GN to all of my amazing friends... Talk2you in the am... Xoxo X2sleep for this mom of 8...night night!
"But it's 45 minutes PLUS any time it takes her to get back from her run. It's irrelevant how far the hospital is. It could be four hours away, the point being made is when she is on long runs it would be hard for her to get back quickly to her car."
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She has her phone with her. She would call the police department to pick her up. After all, don't they know who she is? The Great Kate!
Ex Nurse, you are the blogger who had me jump in
so continue on...please!
Done and done said... 140
Ex Nurse - It seems that tensions have run high here the past few days and I just want to tell you that I always enjoy reading your posts. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that all of us on this blog want to be friends and put the ugliness behind us. I hope that you will stay :)
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Ditto from me, Ex nurse. Thanks Done and done!
Auntie Ann, my best friend lives in N.C., is well connected, and knows someone who waited on Steve and Kate when they were in the Bald Head area and assumed they were married by the way they interacted.
Dmasy said... 126
Good question about the confidentiality contract? Kate would be more likely to demand that than any other celebrity. Normal would be to want word of mouth and happy reports. Kate might have some serious "grouchy" to hide.
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IF there are any confidentiality agreements, then it wouldn't be too farfetched to see Kate also demand no photography or filming during her events, unless specified otherwise.
During her special meet and greet in TN for the Food Bank episode, how many of those fans who met her does she still keep in contact with via twitter? Wasn't there a guy who she used to tweet often prior to the event, then ignored afterwards? Why do I see that happening to some of these fans who attend or don't attend the cruise?
Kate doesn't mind cutting family and friends out of her life once they no longer serve her purpose. I possibly see her doing the same to those whom she doesn't hit it off with on the cruise (or get on her nerves)...or worse yet, ignoring her biggest twitter fans who aren't willing to spend money on this cruise. Right now, it seems like she's buttering them up to get them to go, but I don't think that will last after the cruise deadline passes.
Ex Nurse, I also wanted to comment that I enjoy your posts (just as I enjoy NLAN's)...you are articulate and interesting...please keep posting.
Another thought about this blog. I am not a 'hater', I hate
no one. I think the majority of the bloggers here have a
Kate- type person in their lives and use this place to try
to unravel the mind of a narcissist. I would like to think
we are more about debate, and concern for those
who are at the receiving end of this personality type,
especially children, whether it is one child or eight.
Ex Nurse (and fellow PacNWer) and NLAN, I too enjoy all your posts. You both say exactly what I feel in a way my emotions wouldn't let me articulate so well. Thank you both.
I wonder what would happen to Kate if say tomorrow her phone stopped working for one full week? If nobody photographed her coming or going, if she had to actually drive the kids to and from school. If Steve could not come over, if she had no canned items to dump into her casserole dish for dinner, if she ran out of salad to eat for a week, if the kids actually stained their clothes and her washer stopped working. All of this for just 7 days.
What would really happen to Kate? To her Twitter fans? Would either be able to cope?
Interesting question about why no one ever sees Steve. No one I know ever sees Kate. I should come clean and admit I live in Sinking Spring, Berks County, PA (not something I brag about haha and I don't really want to be viewed as an insider). I have lived here almost my whole life, I shop at the same Giant and the same Target and live less than a half mile from "Kate's" church. I have NEVER seen her anywhere and I'm certainly not a recluse or anything. My husband saw Jon and the kids at Chik-Fil-a once and my brother saw her at Giant, but that's the extent of our sitings. It's really weird, but she's like the wind.
I'm not all surprised most people don't usually see Kate. What does she do all day in PA? She goes to UPS, Target, and Whole Foods. She drops the kids off at the bus stop. That's about the extent of her social life.
She never seems to go out with friends, the movies, other variety of places. She seems to be home most evenings. For someone who claims to love travel and adventure so much, she seems pretty limited in what she does in her own backyard.
silimom said:
There are no readers or posters on this blog who live in Reading/Wernersville, PA who can state whether they regularly see him around town? I mean, the man can't stay in the McMansion all day if he's living at Kate's. No one sees him at the local restaurant or pizzeria?
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I thought I would add my comment to this. I live close to Kate. It would take me about 15 minutes to get to her house. I shop at the same local grocery store she goes to and Target and other places she might be in the area and I have never seen her. I never saw Steve either.
I have seen the kids being picked up from the bus stop if I happen to be shopping near there at that time of the day. Even then I have never seen Kate. The times I saw them the nanny/babysitter was picking them up.
I have never heard anyone talk about seeing her different places because nobody cares. If you would hear somone talking about her there is a 99% chance it is something negative. If you have lived around here since this whole thing started you have a whole different opinion than her fans and believe me it's not good.
She is basically ignored. This image she puts out there that she is surrounded by the paps and that she needs a bodyguard is in her mind only.
Judy K...Auntie Ann, my best friend lives in N.C., is well connected, and knows someone who waited on Steve and Kate when they were in the Bald Head area and assumed they were married by the way they interacted.
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Happily married, or quarreling married? LOL!!
A friend of a friend? I don't think that testimony would stand up in court!
Jumping in: we also can't stand someone who has grifted for 7 years and still doing it, lying to everyone cause she can't remember what she said 5 min ago, let alone 5 years ago etc. We also can't stand her continue use of her children for her own self gain. Not to mention the fact she is lazy, especially when it comes to the kids, the house, the dog etc. And still tries to convince the public she is poor as the average/mediocre, person, but still continues to live an expensive lifestyle. Which tells me that that fame chaser has money, but is tryin to convince the rest of us she does not.
The comments on Kate's Runner's World article are interesting.
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/1,7120,s6-243-544--14205-0,00.html
I used to live in a celebrity-laden area and I would see celebs all the time. I think I maybe tweeted about seeing someone once. I think it was about seeing Tori Spelling shopping the two dollar rack cause I thought that was so funny/cool. I don't tweet/FB etc about seeing Dean Cane shopping for sandwich meat or Ted Danson in Starbucks and I doubt anyone else does.
The thing is, most people just sort of look, say, oh Kate Gosselin and her bodyguard (or insert another celeb name here), then go on with their day. It doesn't mean Kate hasn't been seen out with Steve acting married.
SeeSaw, maybe Kate carries a red wig and Keds sneakers in that huge purse of hers, slips behind the produce islands and puts them on, lowers her hem and then starts shopping. Who would recognize her then? ;-)
Thanks Judy @162. Bet they consumated their relationship on BHI, too. That was right after the split if I recall correctly?
JudyK commented..."in fact, it's readily apparent to anyone with a 2-digit I.Q., and Steve is NOT being paid by Kate...he is INVOLVED w/ Kate."
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Ouch! I haven't seen proof that they are involved, and I haven't seen proof that they aren't involved, so it's not readily apparent to me. I always thought that my IQ was just a tad above average!
Maybe he IS being paid by Kate to be INVOLVED!
If you're doing your job as a parent correctly, your kids are going to get mad at you from time to time. That's because you are going to have to tell them "no" occasionally, and that they can't have or do everything that their pwecious wittle hearts desire.
Your job as a parent is not to be your child's buddy. Your child will have buddies of his/her own.
But you don't abrogate your responsibilities so that your kid will always "like" you.
This is the impression some of you have given me. There's no fine line trying 'please' everyone. You do what's best for your kids. Whether they like it or not.
This cruise is not what's best for these kids.
I don't think anyone said they think Jon should just be the children's friends.
Not everyone agrees the cruise is not best for the twins. If they had their own nanny, bodyguard, were separated from the fans, and got to just be kids and had no obligations on the trip, I don't see what is so terrible about them going. This is not a 15 by 15 room with a meet and greet. The cruise ship is gigantic and those kids could easily be kept away from all the fan events. Easily.
Maybe Jon feels it's best for the twins to get something fun just for them for once while he takes the younger ones.
Done and Done, Auntie Ann, PJ Momma, Jumping In an others.....Thanks for your kind words and encouragement...was kind of hoping fo an Applebee's certificate, though.
So which is it? The ship is gigantic or Kate won't be able to get away from her fans?
If Jon had tried to stop this cruise disaster, wouldn't there be court records of it? Like there were with the Australia trip? I'm assuming there were from the talk here.
Now that it's public knowledge the twins will be on this specific cruise, anyone on that ship can look for them or follow them. What's a bodyguard going to do? Walk around with a sheet?
Button Button said... 173
The comments on Kate's Runner's World article are interesting.
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/1,7120,s6-243-544--14205-0,00.html
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LOL LOL
Here's a typical comment: "What's next, Paris Hilton?!"
Once my kids were the twins' age, we often had each of them invite a friend to go on vacation with us. Made it easier for us and a lot more fun for them. But then, we knew our kids friends and families through going to school events, Hebrew School, synagogue (real, not compter), PTA, carpools, sports, Scouts and volunteering in their classrooms and the school library. Oh, also, we didn't have cameras posted in our house or paparazzi or fans surrounding us. Oh well....
I'm not sure any of the kids on the cruise would recognise the twins without their parent's help. Then again, I also kind of doubt Kate would allow them to mix with the "mediocres" (sounds like a bad sitcom "The Mediocres" haha) Who else can see her forcing them to stay in their stateroom all day except for a special spa treatment they might not even want?
So which is it? The ship is gigantic or Kate won't be able to get away from her fans?
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The fans are obsessed with Kate, thankfully not the kids. Yes, the fans will stalk Kate. Though hopefully not the twins.
I recall from RC the kids areas were very sectioned off. I think I only saw the kids group once. As others have explained, they want to keep the kids out of everyone's hair so the parent will spend money--drinking, eating, etc.
Anyone can follow the twins at home, too. It's not different than the pap showing up at the bus stop and I don't expect Jon to insist they not ride the bus. Riding the bus is a part of school.
I don't think the twins should have to stay shut up in their home because their mom ruined their lives by making them famous. There are ways for them to still experience what other kids do while still protecting them. Jon can't lock them away forever. It's not like it's being FILMED. And how does that make a kid feel, your mom ruined your life by amassing all these creepy fans, therefore, you can never do anything fun again. That I think is far more damaging than letting them go.
Ex Nurse, my parents did the same thing as we got older when we went on vacations--allowed us to invite friends. I think when we were 13 or 14 we each got to bring a friend. I thought that was one of the most generous things they ever did. It kind of creates a buffer where you're not sort of trapped with your parents for a week, which face it no tween/teen really wants. But, you're still with your parents for a week enjoying the vacation. It's one of the best ways to travel with a teen without having a brooding annoyed teen the entire time bringing everybody else down :).
If Cara and Mady want to (have to?) go on the cruise, they'll be far better off doing activities with a nanny and being around Kate as little as possible. We've all seen how she sucks the fun out of EVERYTHING.
This cruise isn't just a random cruise that Kart happened to be on with her girls. That's not what this cruise is about. This cruise is a planned money making scheme for Kart. The twins' appearance is a marketing incentive for ticket sales. Maybe Kart offered Jon a month free of child support payments in exchange for him allowing the girls to participate. She's a bribing manipulator.
Anyone can follow the twins at home, too. It's not different than the pap showing up at the bus stop and I don't expect Jon to insist they not ride the bus. Riding the bus is a part of school.
I don't think the twins should have to stay shut up in their home because their mom ruined their lives by making them famous.
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When did I state the twins should have to stay shut up in their home? I didn't.
It's the INVITATION to the public to 'join' these kids and their crazy mother at a specific event.
I think the twins would have a blast on a cruise. Just not a cruise where it's been announced publicly that they'll be there. If no one knew, perhaps they could blend in a little better.
Again, are there court records that Jon tried to stop this? You said it earlier, the girls are being used as a commodity for thier idiotic mother to make more money. Jon should be absolutely against this. It's completely wrong in every way.
It's the INVITATION to the public to 'join' these kids and their crazy mother at a specific event.
I think the twins would have a blast on a cruise. Just not a cruise where it's been announced publicly that they'll be there. If no one knew, perhaps they could blend in a little better.
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This I agree with. For all we know Jon is against it too.
Jon can have a say in where they go on vacation out of state, but not necessarily if Kate wants to splash their names/faces etc use them for advertising. His hands may be tied as to that. The problem with this, is we simply don't know what he agrees and doesn't agree with and what he has and has not presented to the judge. I haven't looked at the court docket in nine months at least to know what is up, and I'm not exactly interested in looking at it right now. What good what it do.
I grew up in Berks and still spend a lot of time there. Up until Oct I was going to Wernersville regularly. I have never seen Kate. A couple of times a friend would say she saw her driving around. Most people wouldn't know who she was. Most people in Berks are not impressed by celebrities. They just want to live their lives.
Heck, my aunt goes to the church Kate claims to go to and has never mentioned her.
What was the reasoning behind the judges's ruling with the Oz trip? Would that still apply here, if Kate's contract with the travel company requires two kids, or has Khate possibly said that this is only a for fun, not for work, trip for the twins?
Jon has done some stupid crap in his time, but I can't see him being paid off to let his kids do something like this. I can't see Kate splitting the cash either.
Dmasy said... 56
I am departing Saturday on an Apple Vacation. First time.
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Dmasy - I hope you have a wonderful time. We have used Apple Vacations for a couple of trips to all-inclusive resorts in Mexico, and we have not been disappointed. Just be aware that their added sightseeing excursions can be very expensive.
Out and About - Thank you for all the information you have provided about cruises. I was stunned to hear about all the extra charges, especially for non-alcoholic beverages. I'm sure cruises can be really lovely, but I think I will stick to having firm ground beneath my feet!
Dallas Lady - I think it's time for you to come clean and admit that you are Kate's Ghost Tweeter! Your tweet was spot on! :)
Thank you Ex Nurse, NLAN and Canuck for moving on from some earlier unpleasantness. I really enjoy all your posts, so I'm relieved that the previous discomfort is over.
This mom-of-not-8 is off to my mediocre bed now.
I'm telling you from my experience in family law court, if a mom with custody walks into court and says I will be working on a cruise ship, but the children won't, can I take them? There is no judge who would say no to that. None. As long as Dad's visitation weekends are made up of course. In fact he would be asking the parents to stop wasting his time.
I haven't looked at the court docket in nine months at least to know what is up, and I'm not exactly interested in looking at it right now. What good what it do.
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Well, for starters, it might bolster some confidence that Jon is trying to do the right thing.
In fact he would be asking the parents to stop wasting his time.
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I couldn't disagree more. You're telling me that a judge, who hears that minor children are being used as a COMMODITY to sell the very tickets to an event their mother wants them to attend, would say 'Stop wasting my time'? Unbelievable. My court experiences are varied and I have never heard a judge utter those words. Not once in the past 10 years.
I couldn't disagree more. You're telling me that a judge, who hears that minor children are being used as a COMMODITY to sell the very tickets to an event their mother wants them to attend, would say 'Stop wasting my time'?
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No, I said a judge wouldn't want his time wasted over a trip where the kids wouldn't be working. Advertising is another issue. But I also think Jon needs to pick his battles. The kids are plastered all over her blog, she talks about them constantly on twitter, but he's going to make a big stink about one little line in a press release about the kids on the beach?
I personally don't think the kids should be used to entice people to go....but, objectively, all the cruise line said was people want to see Kate be a real mom i.e. play with her kids. And all Kate said was this was a family event, you see, my kids are going too. No one ever said the kids are part of the events whatsoever. If they just came out with it and said Meet and Greet with Mady and Cara, the judge might have something to be upset about. WE see a subtle USING of the kids to entice people to go--because we are onto this diabolical woman. But just another judge will just see it as a mom excited her kids are going.
A judge just isn't going to be that up in arms about something so benign compared to the crap they DO see. The judge's job is not to make perfect parents, fortunately or unfortunately. The court will let slide pretty crappy parents actually. Do we want a court that would get THIS involved with family matters? Right down to what can and can't be tweeted about who is going on a cruise? Well, that's a personal opinion. Some courts do get that involved, but many don't. Many will say, Mom, Dad? Just work this out. Enough.
I agree that some judges let some crappy parents slide. However, this is not about any tweets. The children are mentioned on the official cruise website and that was picked up by many other internet sites. In fact, I believe it was mentioned on Extra or The Soup.
So, yes, the public at large is aware these poor kids are going to be there to line thier mother's pockets. That in itself is a crime....but ALLOWING these same children to actually ATTEND the aforementioned event is simply irresponsible on the court's part.
I'm hoping some court record will show Jon at least tried. Unless of course he agrees his girls are nothing more than zoo exhibits. I don't think this is his view but until I see proof he tried to put a stop to this circus, I remain disappointed in Jon. He's always (well, mostly) shown himself to be a great dad. As a parent, you need to be an advocate for your children as well.
I have a tender spot for Jon because of the abuse he took from his horrible ex wife. I know he is capable of doing the right thing.
parenting fail - I agree with Admin on this. Jon has to pick and choose his battles. What would you rather, he spend the limited money he has to take her to court over this situation which he probably would lose or take her to court when she tries to put the kids back on television?
Yes, you would probably choose that he take her to court in both cases, but thst's not realistic. Unless you and everyone else here is prepared to have Admin create a trust wherein we all donate XXXX amount of dollars to be used towards Jon's legal fees, then we need to trust that Jon will make the best possible choices he can for his kids.
Why is that RW article from the link provided above different than the one posted here. I didn't see that in the link, just an article that was written by someone else and half way made sense (for something that involves KT).
Absolutely right it's strange that she doesn't have a visible boyfriend. At the very least, she'd have a man 'ho. Why? Because she has Steve. I, too, have been on the fence about this, changing my mind back and forth. But when I found out about a good friend of mine having a secret affair for several years with her neighbor, it just blew me away. Like I've said before, it's pretty darn obvious Kate is very, very into Steve. Can't tell about him; he seems like a cold fish. Terrible what he is publicly subjecting his family too.
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