Monday, October 12, 2015

Blogger and reality star Jaime Primak Sullivan defends exploiting her children

Facing mounting criticism from her readers after posting daily updates and photos of her young children, the Yahoo mommy blogger and 'Jersey Belle' star lashes out.


Sullivan says it's okay to exploit her kids. Here, we respond to her flawed and misguided reasoning.

  • Sullivan says the support of strangers is a beautiful thing.

Our response: It's normal for human beings to want to feel loved and supported. However these emotions almost all feel deeper and more sincere when they come from people you have a stake in, namely family and friends. Most strangers probably have all good intentions when it comes to offering support to another stranger, but how do you distinguish the good from the unhealthy or even sinister, especially when the support is for your little children? And why aren't these strangers concentrating their support on their own friends and family?

  • Sharing her children's humor brings joy to her 100,000 readers, which in turn brings Sullivan joy.
Our response: Again we ask, wouldn't the emotion of joy be felt much deeper if it were a grandparent, husband, friend or sibling your children brought joy to? What's more, children should not be brought into the world to bring other's joy. That puts too much of a burden on a young child who will not always feel silly or joyful. A child needs to be free to experience a variety of emotions, including getting angry and acting out, without the pressure put on him to make others happy all the time, much less complete strangers.
  • I never post if they ask me not to, Sullivan says.
This is good I suppose. However, it's not enough. The Sullivan children are not teenagers like the Gosselin twins, getting to an age where they fully understand what they want the public to see and not see. They are only seven, six, and four years old. None of them are even remotely old enough to understand the implications of posting a photo on social media. They are not old enough to even be told about what physical and emotional dangers could befall them from such posts, let alone capable of understanding those dangers. Sullivan needs to be the adult here and make these adult decisions for them instead of burdening them with decisions they are not old enough to understand. Sullivan also needs a much better understanding of her children's emotional and cognitive development before burdening her children with the complex decision of whether something should be posted on social media.
  • The risk the children might someday look back on what Sullivan did and resent it are not any greater than letting a child play football, go trick-or-treating at night or to a sleepover, or letting a child ride a bicycle down the street.
Not knowing how her kids will feel someday, it's hard to compare risks. The risks may be the same. They might be less, they might be much more. It will depend on her individual children.  However the risks Sullivan compared social media to have a very important distinction. Those other risks all enhance childhood to a degree so important that it's worth any negligible danger. Those risks all promote a child's social and emotional development. It's important for children to strike out into the world and learn how to navigate it, whether that's on a bicycle or at a friend's house, or playing a team sport.

Social media, in striking contrast, does not provide any benefit to her children. Social media does not make her children's lives any better or worse. It certainly makes Sullivan feel better. It clearly justifies her, makes her feel important, makes her feel validated, and is financially lucrative. But her children reap none of these benefits. They're just kids, too young to feel the complex emotional gratification Sullivan does after every "like". 

  • Sullivan believe the risk of pedophiles coming after her children is unlikely and overstated.
Why take the risk at all when there is no benefit to them to plaster them all over social media? 

  • As a parent, Sullivan has a "given" right to decide what's best for her children.
She does. And when she chooses to make those rights public, readers have a right to criticize it.  As one comment said so pointedly on Sullivan's blog post, "The real reason(s) that you let people watch your kids online is for the money and because you want to be popular."

Final thoughts. As for the #noshameparenting hashtag, talk about confusing the issue. No one is asking anyone to feel shameful about parenting. We're simply asking that parenting be done in private. What's particularly frustrating about this situation is that Sullivan is a smart and savvy businesswoman who has made it on her own. She spent years in Los Angeles as president of a highly successful PR firm for some of the hottest bars and nightclubs, and recently started venturing into movie production. Her husband is a high powered lobbyist  She doesn't "need" to exploit her children to be successful. Due to the Sulllivans' hard work and success, their children's privacy rights can be protected without need for them to earn the family's paychecks for their parents. We urge the Sullivans to give their children that right.

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too bad,so sad said...

In my previous post I ended by writing about a dog in commercials and not children. I was more or less addressing Kate and her NONSENSE about kids just running in and out of the shot. People who produce films know for sure that is not the way it is at all. It is stressful and they choose to not expose their own kids to this. And they would be present during every minute of the filming, unlike reality tv filming.
So, once more preaching to the choir here. Keep children out of reality tv!

FYI said...

Milo is already starting her PR campaign:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 14h14 hours ago
It's happening soon! #December #NewSeason #KatePlus8 > Sharing small portions of their life via #TLC! @Kateplusmy8

Notice she didn't include @TLC in her tweet, just used it as a hashtag.

"small portions of their life"? This is from someone who wants to know every detail of their lives. She even told Kate that they better have a "slew" of new episodes:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · Oct 16
@Kateplusmy8 @dolphins33ac As much as you have been absent lately young lady...we better get a slew of episodes! :) #BringItOn

Showing a "small portion of their lives" would be an update special every couple of years, yet Milo demands a "slew of episodes". How is that showing a "small portion of their lives"?

Milo, give up. You can make all the excuses you can for Kate, but bottom line, is that Kate will continue to exploit her kids for her own gain. Showing "small portions" of their lives or large portions of their lives, doesn't change the bottom line. Kate is using her children's lives to keep herself relevant.

Tucker's Mom said...

TLC stinks said... 198
All those opportunities Kate had will never appear again. TLC hangs on because when J&KPlus8 was at its zenith, it was a ratings blockbuster and so there is a one million loyal faction that will watch.
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Yes, good term that perfectly describes why K+8 still has staying power with TLC- established "loyalty viewers".
TLC can count on a high 6-figure to low 7-figure audience to tune in for these mini-series because the kids are not stagnant. Kate is, but the kids aren't.
It's rather smart of TLC to wring out every bit of revenue from the Gosselins as long as Kate is willing to film (and that's never gonna change!) and in light of the fact that TLC invested a heck of a lot into developing the Gosselin brand.
Why throw away a pair of Louboutins just because the red sole is a bit scuffed up?

NJGal51 said...

I think that TFW's producer credit is more for vanity (read that as a way to shut her up) more than anything else. She may pitch ideas to TLC but she will do exactly what they tell her to do in order to keep her mug out there. Yes, she loves the money but she's addicted to the fame. TLC wants the kids to act up and have tantrums? Done and done. She'll do whatever it takes, even if that means humiliating her child, if it will make a better "story" and bring in the viewers. Why do some people still watch? Schadenfreuda pure and simple. They watch the kids and say "Boy, am I glad my kids don't act like that".

As far as TFB goes, if she's really got the talent and the drive she may make it in the business. I don't see her out pounding the pavement or doing anything other than high school and college shows. If she had real determination she'd be doing summer stock or auditioning rather than flitting off to Paris on daddy's dime during summer vacation. She'll probably marry rich and dabble in community theatre while raising her children to be just as spoiled as she is.

Tucker's Mom said...

The show, even with new filming, plays like it is on a continuous loop. Hasn't TLC learned the lesson of when to retire shows past their prime?
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I think when you see tv shows that end their run at the apogee of their popularity and success, it invariably is because TALENTED actors, directors, writers and producers understand that there is dignity in stepping away from you embarrass yourself.
To me, grown kids splashing in the ocean, squeeing! at aldigators, getting school clothes, having Mommy pack their bags, and generally acting like toddlers is not dignified.
Let alone a mother who still, after all these years, can't stop complaining about it.

SB said...

I don't understand, redbird. Can't a girl date and still go to photography school? I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, and where is it reported that she is getting married and having kids



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Where do you get this stuff redbird? Jinger never, ever said she wanted to go to photography school, let alone a school in NYC! You get your facts all messed up or purposely out something you know is wrong. Which is it? I just don't get it. Watched every Duggar epi there is and you are always posting stuff that is inaccurate.

I am not a Duggar fan, but rumors and information that is 100% wrong is frustrating. Other people may believe your posts are accurate.

SB

fidosmommy said...

Doctors often are closely related to doctors. Lawyers are often closely related to lawyers. Farmers are often....teachers are often.... It's certainly not true in every case, but it makes sense. You get a perspective others don't have, and there can be a real sense of pride in keeping that profession in the family. I would expect many from acting families to want to pursue some aspect of the profession.

As ya'll have said, they do have to earn their own credentials, though.

Ex Nurse said...

Admin said....
Couldn't it also simply mean that talent is genetic, and that it just so happens that if there is one fine actor in a family, chances are there are others?

The fact that there are still plenty of actors who come from humble beginnings and small towns, leads me to stick to my original contention, that to ultimately make it in this business you must have talent, and that it certainly is not necessary to have a famous parent or grandparent who can make a few calls for you.
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I don't understand what the argument is. Everyone who said that connections matter also said that you have to have talent to succeed. I'll put it this way: if all things are equal in terms of hard work and talent, someone with connections has a greater chance of getting the opportunity to prove it. Most successful actors are hardworking with a strong work ethic that is modeled for their children. Add natural charisma and connections, and they have a much greater chance at success then someone who takes a bus to LA seeking fame and fortune. There are tons of extremely talented people who never hit it big. It is a combination of timing and luck--both of which are enhanced when there is a connection. There is no disagreement that some people will get there the hard way, or that many who have connections will fail.

Localyocul said...

Watched every Duggar epi there is

I am not a Duggar fan,

....

Huh?

P.J. said...

Tucker's Mom said...

Why throw away a pair of Louboutins just because the red sole is a bit scuffed up?

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Anybody who can reference Louboutins in a comment is A-okay in my books.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anybody who can reference Louboutins in a comment is A-okay in my books.
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Ha! I don't own a pair, but I think TLC's investment was about as steep as a pair of those. Proportionally speaking, that is ;-)

AuntieAnn said...

TLC stinks said... 198

The show, even with new filming, plays like it is on a continuous loop.

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Yep. Just like that burning log channel they show at Christmas. And almost as exciting.

redbird said...

I just didn't make it up. Jinger loves photography and when the girls were in the bedroom talking all together, Jinger said that she wanted to go to the big city. She may or may have not said NYC but ok, I thought that is what she meant. It would be nice for her to go to photography school. Jim Bob can afford it.

I do not on post information here that I know for a fact is wrong. I never have. And when someone says something about it, I admit that I am wrong and apologize. Everyone here knows that I do. I am sorry that I upset you.

You can put the ruler back on the desk.

Tucker's Mom said...

redbird said... 13
I just didn't make it up. Jinger loves photography and when the girls were in the bedroom talking all together, Jinger said that she wanted to go to the big city. She may or may have not said NYC but ok, I thought that is what she meant. It would be nice for her to go to photography school. Jim Bob can afford it.
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I'm pretty sure I saw that clip. One young girl said that gee, she'd LOVE to go to NYC, but the gist was that it really wasn't up to her. She wanted a MAN who would take her life to NYC, as if going to NYC on her own wasn't a remote possibility.
IF and WHEN she finds a guy and IF his life is in NYC, then she'll go.

It was VERY sad to watch. Totally brainwashed.

Math Girl said...

AuntieAnn said... 12

Yep. Just like that burning log channel they show at Christmas. And almost as exciting.
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Don't diss the burning log. The burning log is simultaneously soothing and exciting. Will the log fall? Will THE HAND come and add wood. Or poke?

Kate is like the fake burning log, that has a couple of hours of real burning log on a repeated loop. You know when the log will fall and when the hand will appear, taking away all the anticipation.

Math Girl said...

Tucker's Mom said... 14

I'm pretty sure I saw that clip. One young girl said that gee, she'd LOVE to go to NYC, but the gist was that it really wasn't up to her. She wanted a MAN who would take her life to NYC, as if going to NYC on her own wasn't a remote possibility.
IF and WHEN she finds a guy and IF his life is in NYC, then she'll go.

It was VERY sad to watch. Totally brainwashed.
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I watched that clip today. The basic discussion was about what kind of man/boy would appeal to each girl. Mostly they talked about what kind of personality would fit each girl best, how he would have to be godly, etc. Jinger was the only one who talked about where she would like to live (in a city, and her eyes lit up when she said it). From my point of view, she wasn't so much looking for a white knight to sweep her away to the city as talking about compatibility. Since she wants to live in a city, she'd like her future mate to want that too.

It's amazing how many people don't think about that type of thing; think Kim Kardashian / Kris Humphries. She thought they'd live the celeb lifestyle in LA and he thought they'd live near his work and he would continue to train and play in the NBA. It was amazing that they never talked about that before they got married.

By the way, I looked him up when Lamar Odom was in the news so much, and he really did dodge the bullet. He has had a very successful NBA career since his divorce. I believe the Kardashian family would have chewed him up and spit him out and his career would have been over if he had remained married to Kim.

P.J. said...

Math Girl said...

It's amazing how many people don't think about that type of thing; think Kim Kardashian / Kris Humphries. She thought they'd live the celeb lifestyle in LA and he thought they'd live near his work and he would continue to train and play in the NBA. It was amazing that they never talked about that before they got married.

By the way, I looked him up when Lamar Odom was in the news so much, and he really did dodge the bullet. He has had a very successful NBA career since his divorce. I believe the Kardashian family would have chewed him up and spit him out and his career would have been over if he had remained married to Kim

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IMO it wasn't a consideration for Kim because she was using Kris for ratings and nothing more. That whole wedding was a sham and he got sucked into their vortex. It was as phony as a $3 bill.

Math Girl said...

P.J. said... 17

IMO it wasn't a consideration for Kim because she was using Kris for ratings and nothing more. That whole wedding was a sham and he got sucked into their vortex. It was as phony as a $3 bill.
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How long do you think the Khardashian/Humphries marriage would have lasted if Kris H had been content to sit around and be the butt of the KK's story lines, a la Rob, Lamar and Scott? As it was, it was 72 days. Do you think that's what Kim intended from the start?

Midnight Madness said...

She thought they'd live the celeb lifestyle in LA and he thought they'd live near his work and he would continue to train and play in the NBA. It was amazing that they never talked about that before they got married. She thought they'd live the celeb lifestyle in LA and he thought they'd live near his work and he would continue to train and play in the NBA. It was amazing that they never talked about that before they got married.

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I haven't been following too many players in the NBA and haven't read much about him. However, how is it known that they didn't discuss this before they got married and at that time thought they had things worked out? Can you link an article? I'm interested!

Midnight Madness said...

SB (6)...

The cow came out again. Check the initials! LOL!

Midnight Madness said...

Kate is a twit said... 2
Milo is already starting her PR campaign:

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Yes, and I was going to post last night that Milo will be at this PR campaign for the next six weeks or so, faithfully, and relentlessly. Will there be sheeple will bullhorns in the Walmart parking lot? Will Gladys be so excited that she needs to order cases of Depends? Stay tuned.

Math Girl said...

Midnight Madness said... 19

I haven't been following too many players in the NBA and haven't read much about him. However, how is it known that they didn't discuss this before they got married and at that time thought they had things worked out? Can you link an article? I'm interested!
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Here's an article from People at the time. Note it was being reported that they had issues over where to live.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20541588,00.html

Of course it's possible they discussed it and had an agreement, and one of them changed his/her mind. I thought it was more likely that each of them had an agreement with his or her self and it never occurred to either of them that the other didn't agree.

Tucker's Mom said...

Will there be sheeple will bullhorns in the Walmart parking lot?
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Start making your signs now sheeple!
OMG, I still can't believe that grown woman did that!
Does she still suck up to Kate on Twitter?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


How long do you think the Khardashian/Humphries marriage would have lasted if Kris H had been content to sit around and be the butt of the KK's story lines, a la Rob, Lamar and Scott? As it was, it was 72 days. Do you think that's what Kim intended from the start?

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I think it took that guy 72 days to realize he was being used. 71 days too long.

Serendipity said...

I guess I am out of the loop here, but I read the Defective is policing Twitter, reporting stalkers/harassers. I thought she was buddies with BV, who is one of the biggest bullies and stalkers there. Is she reporting him?

Serendipity said...

Localyocul said... 9
Watched every Duggar epi there is

I am not a Duggar fan,

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Huh?

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Local -- it is the same drive-by who shows up every so often to criticize redbird. Pay no attention! ;)

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Will there be sheeple will bullhorns in the Walmart parking lot?
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Start making your signs now sheeple!
OMG, I still can't believe that grown woman did that!
Does she still suck up to Kate on Twitter?

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Not so much, at least not that I have seen. I think she's been replaced by sucker-uppers Carlene and Denise!

P.J. said...

Math Girl said...

How long do you think the Khardashian/Humphries marriage would have lasted if Kris H had been content to sit around and be the butt of the KK's story lines, a la Rob, Lamar and Scott? As it was, it was 72 days. Do you think that's what Kim intended from the start?

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I read a pretty compelling article (don't ask me to remember where, I read stuff all the time) that pretty much laid out that Kim and family were looking for a story arc and decided the wedding was the way to go. After the millions, the photos, the dresses etc, the sham of a marriage was pretty much over before it ever got off the ground. He was used, big-time.

Ha! Found it. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kim-kardashian-divorce-kris-humphries-media-publicity-255371

P.J. said...

Serendipity said... 26
Localyocul said... 9
Watched every Duggar epi there is

I am not a Duggar fan,

....

Huh?

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Local -- it is the same drive-by who shows up every so often to criticize redbird. Pay no attention! ;)

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Serendipity, localyokul was pointing out the hypocrisy of SB's comment. " Watched every Duggar epi there is" and "I am not a Duggar fan."

Love 'em or hate 'em, that still makes you a fan(atic)

fidosmommy said...

Watched every Duggar epi there is

I am not a Duggar fan,

....

Huh?


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Ha! I hate "Law and Order" so much I have to tune in every single day to remind myself I don't like it. Sure. No fan here! Nuh-uh.

Serendipity said...

Serendipity, localyokul was pointing out the hypocrisy of SB's comment. " Watched every Duggar epi there is" and "I am not a Duggar fan."

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Yes, I got that! I was just pointing out who it is!

I need a drink.

Rhymes with Witch said...

He was used, big-time. 28

I still feel bad for Kris. I wish him a happy and successful life, K free of course.

Localyocul said...

Thank you PJ yes that was what ideas saying. But thank you too Serendipity

Rhymes with Witch said...

I hate "Law and Order" so much I have to tune in every single day to remind myself I don't like it. 30

Fidos you're in luck. I was home sick a lot last spring and found that there was an episode of some version of Law and Order on some channel just about 24 hours a day.

redbird said...

All the ladies on the View are dressed in Halloween costumes.

Whoopie is dressed like Cruella DeVille and she looks like an older
Raven-Symone! Bwahaha One of the women came out as Snow White and had dwarf dolls attached to her. Reminded me of when
TFVCHW (The Former View Co-Host Wife) was on and had all of those plastic babies hanging from her hair, clothes. Awful!!!
The Today show Halloween was hard to watch. They did Peanuts and the movie Peanuts comes out next week. Matt Lauer as Lucy??? UGH!

Live with Kelly and Michael did a mashup of Empire (the show) with Star Wars. Michael was Cookie in the mashup and also Hans Solo. Kelly was Leah. Lame.

redbird said...

Can't wait till the Leah Remini interview on 20/20 tonight about Scientology. I just saw the promo and the interviewer asked her if Tom Cruise was watching right now, what would you say to him?

Blowing In The Wind said...

OT --

Has anyone read "The Last Of The President's Men?" It has gotten good reviews, and I am going back and forth about purchasing it. Good read?

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/2015/10/30/watergate-reporter-author-bob-woodward-worries.html?ana=yahoo

AuntieAnn said...

I just saw the promo and the interviewer asked her if Tom Cruise was watching right now, what would you say to him?

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Scientology is such a creepy cult. What or who do they worship in their "church"? L Ron Hubbard?

I have yet to hear Tom Cruise make any clear or valid point when he's being interviewed. The guy's brain is fried from all that wiring in his head. He's like an Amway salesman run amok when he talks. Scary dude.

redbird said...

Check out Jon's Instagram. He posted a picture of him and his gf dressed up for a Halloween party. They look awesome!

https://instagram.com/dj_jon_gosselin/

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The Going Clear documentary was really good, and frightening. Their funding scheme is scary.

Gigi said...

152 Math Girl-

Ems attends Sacred Heart University in Connecticut

rainbowsandunicorns said...

redbird said... 39
Check out Jon's Instagram. He posted a picture of him and his gf dressed up for a Halloween party. They look awesome!

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She is cute, and she looks normal and naturally attractive -- not plastic!

redbird said...

Just about everyone knows on here that you can look up your name to see if you have any money owed to you that the state you live in or a state where you used to live. And there has been some posters that were able to find something. I remember someone on here her sister found 200 dollars that couldn't of come at a better time. Isn't that awesome?

Well, a while back I just put in church for the last name and hit enter and wow, at the churches that are owed money! Found one over 100 dollars for a church that is about a mile from my great-grandparents farm that isn't in the family anymore. I called and talked to a man there and he was surprised.

I put in missions and found 2 claims for the rescue mission in a big city near me. The lady was so happy. I entered school and many have come up. I have called a couple of schools and told them that Coca-Cola owes them over 100 dollars. Another school was told that they have 25-100 dollars for the cheerleaders.

There is even one at the state of AL for one at the Pittsburg PA City Schools from the Sheraton hotel here. So that gave me the idea of if you want to, you could check your own states to see if a animal shelter, church, missions, charity or yourselves, relatives have any.

Instead of putting your relatives individual names, just type in the last name and it enter and it will show every name that the state has. Just easier that way.

For your state: google your state with unclaimed property

Another site: missingmoney.com

To look up on missing money, type in your name and click your state and hit enter. When the names come up, there are a lot. Then go back up and put your state again then hit enter and then all of the names will be there in alphabetical order in the state you chose.

Sometimes money will be on your states site and not on missing money and vice versa.

And ladies. Start at the beginning and check with your maiden name and the state you were in. Then married and state. Then if you have been married a couple of times, check each name with the state you were in. Much better chance of finding money!

Good treasure hunting and good luck!

Rhymes with Witch said...

Interesting article about scientology.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/02/14/the-apostate-lawrence-wright

Tucker's Mom said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 42
redbird said... 39
Check out Jon's Instagram. He posted a picture of him and his gf dressed up for a Halloween party. They look awesome!

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She is cute, and she looks normal and naturally attractive -- not plastic!
October 30, 2015 at 10:40 AM
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Yes! She's a very pretty lady.
I get that a lot of guys love the faux Barbie look, but just as many if not a whole lot more don't like all the cosmetic procedures, fake hair, tanning etc.

P.J. said...

Tucker's Mom said...

I get that a lot of guys love the faux Barbie look...

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Yeah, for one reason. But eventually you gotta come up for air and do you really want to live with a witch?

redbird said...

Agree, rainbowsandunicorns and Tucker's mom.

I think the majority of men like the natural look more than the plastic Barbie look. They are high maintenance. Always getting botox, liposuction, chemical peels, implants of this and implants of that. What guy wouldn't love saying, hey, lets go get something to eat and it takes the girl less than 10 minutes to get ready. Now a Barbie is a different story!

redbird said...

Did anyone watch Dr. Phil yesterday?

It was about Jared of Subway. He is a deeply, disturbed monster. Part 2 is today.

The woman that recorded him said she contacted Subway about it. I can't believe the 10 victims only received 100K each and this is all they are getting and Jarod is only going to be sentenced for 10 victims min. 5 to 12 and a half years.

He had gained so much weight staying in his dorm overseeing his vast porn video business and he didn't cook. A Subway opened up on the first floor of his dorm building and he started eating 2 a day and that is how he started losing weight. This is the real reason. Not deciding to get healthy and lose weight and let Subway help.

Math Girl said...

Gigi said... 41
152 Math Girl-

Ems attends Sacred Heart University in Connecticut
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Thanks. I was asking because I wondered the relationship between the "acting coach" and Em's university/college. The "coach" seems to be education director at a small theater in Connecticut, but not associated with any actual college/university.

I looked more on Em's instagram and it looks like Em may have taken some sort of course or workshop at the theater in late August, before she went back to her actual school.

I can't picture any actual college/university instructor encouraging a student to post an instagram of them cuddled up together, even if the cuddling was part of an acting exercise. A very good way to get fired, I'd say.

I think Em does have mommy issues, and fixates on older women in her life, but I think she's actually trying to learn from this woman, rather than using her as a celebrity "in". Em does worship celebs, but I don't think this woman is a celeb in any shape or form .

Tucker's Mom said...


He had gained so much weight staying in his dorm overseeing his vast porn video business and he didn't cook. A Subway opened up on the first floor of his dorm building and he started eating 2 a day and that is how he started losing weight. This is the real reason. Not deciding to get healthy and lose weight and let Subway help.
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Wow, mind blowing when you think of how we all bought Subway's branding of Jared.
You have to wonder what Subway knew and when.
Jared wasn't very stealthy about his proclivities, and no one else picked up on his perversion?

PA Dutch Mom said...

I think the majority of men like the natural look more than the plastic Barbie look. They are high maintenance. Always getting botox, liposuction, chemical peels, implants of this and implants of that.

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It depends on whether or not the guy warts a "trophy wife." If he does, then he just bites the bullet and goes along with anything that will give her the desired results.

"I think Em does have mommy issues, and fixates on older women in her life, but I think she's actually trying to learn from this woman, rather than using her as a celebrity "in". Em does worship celebs, but I don't think this woman is a celeb in any shape or form ."

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I would think that if she runs an acting school, she most likely has connections, and you know that people who know people are the luckiest people in the world! While she may not be a celebrity, I think that Em believes that these people can help her get her foot in the door. In addition, she does have mommy issues.

PA Dutch Mom said...

For Billy Joel fans and Mets fans...

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/10/27/world-series-mets-royals-billy-joel-national-anthem

redbird said...

I believe Subway knew and didn't do anything because they were making millions. Just like TLC.

The lady said she told Subway and they were commenting to her about it. That they were looking into it or something to that effect.

But they knew. That is why I don't understand why the victims had to settle for 100K from Jarod and had been molested by him when they could of sued Subway because they knew about his problem and sit on their behinds and didn't do anything.

I love Subway, but I haven't got a sandwich there since this came out.

NJGal51 said...

Thanks PA Dutch Mom. He did a great job ant hit all the high notes.

All This Is That said...

But they knew. That is why I don't understand why the victims had to settle for 100K from Jarod and had been molested by him when they could of sued Subway because they knew about his problem and sit on their behinds and didn't do anything.

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It must be proven that Subway knew about it and was complicit and a cover up was involved. That is easier said than done. Look at the Penn State/Sandusky fiasco.

Furthermore, each Subway is a franchise. I would imagine that it would really get tricky there because those owners may have not known, and had nothing to do with this whole mess. Would the victims sue each franchise owner? Is that possible?

However, the victims can still sue Jared in civil court...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jared-fogle-payout-to-victims-is-unusual_55d736a4e4b04ae49702d3e3

http://www.cagoldberglaw.com/you-can-sue-your-rapist/

redbird said...

From Paul Peterson's Facebook.

Can We at Least Agree On This?
Children are a special class of human kind. They are uniquely un-formed, utterly dependent, and slaves to the adults who brought them into this world and the society into which they were born.
We all know how children are created, right? They did not ask for this. They are, in a word, innocent. Biologically mature adults are responsible. Of that there is no doubt. Children are a special charge. The rules, for kids, are different…or at least they used to be.
When did they become sexual objects? Since when are they merely background players, mere props? Who decreed that a child immersed in a working environment in which all the contributory adults are compensated for their labor, could somehow NOT be themselves working?
Reality TV producers and broadcasters would have you believe that the real-life, living, breathing kids involved in their productions are there just by accident…voiceless appendages to the busily performing adults who are surrounded by paid professionals…from writers to directors to PR professionals to crew members and network executives.
Since when? Can you really accept this nonsense promulgated by so-called media apologists? There they are, right in your face…children broadcast on national television…be they naïve pageant participants or hard-driving Little Leaguers, twelve and under, playing their hearts out in the Little League World Series broadcast to huge {and profitable} ratings by Disney.
They sing, they dance, they emote with conviction…and we’re supposed to believe it’s all just an accident?
Child Labor is a fact. We are beyond our agrarian past when, even as a child, if you didn’t work you didn’t eat. Tell me again that child labor doesn’t fit on the ledger sheet, or that no one profits from their labor. 250 million children go to work every day. 250 million Heads-of-Households worldwide are unemployed! Are you kidding?
Come on Oprah with me and explain why everyone in reality television gets paid but the children. Defend the exemption to child labor laws found in the Fair Labor Standards Act that has been on the books since 1938. Explain why industry animals have more protection in the media than children.
This isn’t politics, my friends. There is no Right or Left or party affiliation when it comes to working kids.
We are destroying the very notion of childhood. Fashion mavens are promoting younger and younger fashion models, boys with breasts. Pedophiles are rampant. Educators care more about their pensions and perks than the children they’re supposed to teach. Teams of school district lawyers are now filing briefs saying that children are partially responsible for the sexual assaults visited upon them.
If you want to cure the sickness that has enveloped this world, start with the children. No exemptions, no excuses, no more prevarications.
If children don’t deserve special protection then morality and ethics have no meaning and the popular media owns our souls.


Paul Petersen

Sheepless In Seattle said...

redbird, 55

Thanks for posting that. Paul gets it. It's too bad that the sheeple won't read this, but then again, Paul is their enemy, the villain, and they most likely wouldn't understand any of it. It would go right over their heads.

too bad,so sad said...

I am so happy that Paul Peterson is taking such a solid stance on this and that he is working so diligently on it.
It was sad for me to read his broad general statement against teachers. Yes, they worry about their pensions. Who wouldn't? After having money taken out of their salaries for decades they are now getting notices that their pensions will end shortly. Worrying about money was always on a teacher's mind yet they still have time to care very, very much for their students. I think most posters on this board know teachers who have been compassionate with kids and even taken their own money to provide for kids who are in need. Most advocate for children.
I don't know how he missed the idea that teachers are all for children being paid for their work, but mostly teachers believe that play is a small child's work and school is where children should spend their childhood NOT reality tv. or any other work. We have them until they are about 18. The work world can have them from18-68!
I am also surprised that he left the parents of the children off the list of potential guilty parties.
Parents and the general public need to be educated as to what it looks like beyond the camera, the hours of waiting, reshooting etc. This industry is rather new. The outcome needs to be publicized. The damage to the family structure needs to be highlighted as well as to the negative effects to the family during the filming and when it goes away.
Just look at the Duggar family and how the married girls seem to be having a hard time without the cameras. It almost appears to be like the pain of withdrawal for them.
Just like the Westerns that were so popular on tv when I was a kid disappeared, the reality tv needs to disappear too.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Paul Petersen usually gets it right but his sweeping statement that teachers don't care about kids is just so wrong.

Paul is referring to the recent LAUSD case Sinai M. v. Los Angeles Unified School District where a trial court considered a 13 year old's sexual history in the case of her relationship with a 28 year old teacher.

Outrage around Los Angeles over this has been universal. It's been all the talk on local news shows. It's disgusting the legal strategy the school district approved. I get it, they've had to do some big time payouts recently for sex abuse and other things of that nature, remember the case of the teacher feeding kids his sperm? Big time payout on that one by LAUSD. So they're trying to hang onto their cash.

Paul is right, the way that case was handled is abhorrent. I hate to say it, but it's LAUSD, Paul--geez did anyone else expect anything less? They do not by any means speak for all teachers let alone LAUSD teachers. It's just lawyers trying to get their clients out of liability, which is their job. The Supreme Court will take care of this, just like the Court of Appeal did.

If anyone wants the link to the actual Court of Appeal decision blasting LAUSD for their defense at trial I'll pull it. Here's a story summarizing:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/victims-attorneys-john-manly-and-vince-finaldi-blast-lausd-for-asking-supreme-court-to-reduce-protections-for-child-victims-of-sexual-abuse-300166052.html

rainbowsandunicorns said...

It was sad for me to read his broad general statement against teachers.


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Yes, I thought the same thing when I was reading it, but I really doubt that he was talking about ALL teachers. Paul Petersen is a very bright man, compassionate and caring, and I don't think he would lump all teachers together and call all of them money hungry and greedy, although it did come across that way.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think he's really outraged about LAUSD and I totally understand it. This whole case has been just sick. It's like a last straw thing for a lot of people when it comes to LAUSD.

This is the thing, the Court of Appeal smacked them down. And most assuredly, so will the Supreme Court. Hell has not frozen over. LAUSD

He's spouting off. He needs to breathe, trust the system to do the appeals courts to do the right thing (they have) and not get too emotional about this one.

A fun fact is that a couple years ago I argued a case in front of the same judge who wrote the opinion on this case, Justice Turner.....so that's cool! He was very nice to me.

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B253983.PDF

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes rainbows and what's more, if someone is a teacher for LAUSD, they have absolutely no control over what the district lawyers are doing on some random case. It's not like LAUSD asks the teachers to approve their attorneys' legal strategy on sexual abuse cases. Many teachers might not have even been paying that close attention to this case, the school district is huge and has lawsuits all the time. I don't think they even used in house counsel on this one, they farmed it out to some big firm.

This is administration type stuff. Sounds like four or five misguided admins and their big time lawyers coming together on this one and making a huge mistake, nothing more nothing less.

P.J. said...

I'm half way through Helter Skelter. Interesting bit of trivia: Charles Manson visited the Scientology offices in San Franscisco and said he had achieved "Clear" and wanted to know what came next. Apparently, the woman he talked to didn't know, so he left.

"Clear in Dianetics and Scientology is one of two levels a practitioner can achieve on the way to personal salvation. A state of Clear is reached when a person becomes free of the influence of engrams, unwanted emotions or painful traumas not readily available to the conscious mind."
Clear (Scientology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_(Scientology)

P.J. said...

BTW, Happy Halloween to everyone. Stay safe and pass me the Peanut Butter Cups.

Jane said...

Happy Halloween and if anyone gets Milky Ways they don't want I'll be happy to take them off your hands!

Go Mets - great game last night!!!

fidosmommy said...

If anybody has unwanted Halloween candy, just ship it off to Kate. She'll freeze it for next year. And you'll save her a trip to Target to buy up all the unsold bags. Be a friend!

redbird said...

fidosmommy, Be a friend. That reminded me of the I Love Lucy show where Lucy thinks she doesn't have a friend in the world and is sitting on a park bench and a group like the Salvation Army comes along Friends of the Friendless? She is waaa waaaa

Reminds me of TFVCOHOW! (The Former View Co-Host Wife)

NJGal51 said...

Yes Jane, it was a great game last night! Hope we have 3 more just like it.

Happy Halloween to all and if you're passing around unwanted candy I'll take either the Heath Bars or the Reese's Pieces.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Redbird (#67), this is for your amusement from a fellow Lucy fan:

"We are Friends of the Friendless yes we are, yes we are
We are Friends of the Friendless be they near, be they far
We give hope to the downtrodden, and we sober up the sodden
We are Friends of the Friendless yes we are, yes we are!"

Happy Halloween, everyone!

redbird said...

I watched Leah last night. Wow! I was very surprised that Katie Holmes said that she regretted making Leah sad and wish the best for her in the future.

I was watching some scientology videos and I have heard about this guy named Tony Ortega. He was the EIC at Village Voice and he has written about scientology for many years. He started getting emails from someone that said, keep going and encouraging him to write about scientology.

The name on the email was Paulette. He then realized that Paulette wrote the first book about scientology in 1970? and how bad it was and they almost destroyed her. Her story is fascinating. Tony Ortega has written a book called "The Unbreakable Miss Lovely". Here is a link of them on a book tour. The COS got a fingerprint from Paulette and fixed it where it looked like she had sent the COS a bomb threat. Then she was up for 15 years in federal prison. I don't want to give away what happened!

Also, Admin. The COS filed a slapp lawsuit on the wife of Marty Rathburn who has never been a member of COS. She is a private citizen. They harassed her just as bad as MR or even more. They were claiming that she was bullying them to try to shut the COS up!

http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/26/scientology-asks-court-in-monique-rathbuns-case-to-take-note-of-vance-woodwards-loss/

https://youtu.be/AB9oQ8WQ7jA Tony Ortega

https://youtu.be/V7KadY1UKsE Tony Ortega and Paulette

redbird said...

Thank you Flimsy!

Love ILL! One of my favorites is when Lucy wanted to make Aunt Martha's Old Fashioned Salad Dressing. After watching Shark Tank for years and seeing the awful mistakes they were making! I know it was fictional, but..lol. It was too bad that Lucy and Ethel could of been hosts to sell things like an early QVC, on the show of course.

Lucy could of made a batch and went down to the market and had samples and do a test run to see if it was worth it. Then hire a company to co-pack it and just deposit the checks in the bank.

I can just hear Mr. Wonderful, now. Your sales are in the dumpster. You have no distributors. I think it is time to take Aunt Martha's Old Fashioned Salad Dressing back behind the barn and shoot it.

I'm out.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Yes Jane, it was a great game last night! Hope we have 3 more just like it.

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Billy singing along with the crowd singing to Piano Man! Very cool!

FYI said...

redbird--thanks for posting Paul Petersen's post from AMC's FB page. I like this one comment that was posted there.

"There is a simple test to determine if children are employees or not. Remove them from the show. If you still have a show then they are incidental. If you have to add them to enhance the show they are employees. If you don't have a show without them they are principal talent and deserve commensurate compensation."

too bad,so sad said...

I think he's really outraged about LAUSD and I totally understand it. This whole case has been just sick. It's like a last straw thing for a lot of people when it comes to LAUSD.
He's spouting off. He needs to breathe, trust the system to do the appeals courts to do the right thing (they have) and not get too emotional about this one.
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I was not aware of this trial. Who could just breathe and how much emotion would be too much emotion? I. can't. even!
In the end I do trust the courts will do the right thing, but this is beyond outrageous. It is hard to hang on and keep believing in justice while the wheels of justice turn.
Thank you for posting the situation that may have negatively affected his view of teachers.

redbird said...

Your welcome, Kate is a Twit.

So funny, TFW has claimed for years that SHE is the one working, producing the show. The kids only run in and out of the frame while they are living their life. If they took the kids off and left TFW to fend for herself, TLC would have to finally cancel it.

But TLC can still pat themselves on the back because they have had a good run of making millions and millions of dollars off the back of 8 innocent children.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


In the end I do trust the courts will do the right thing, but this is beyond outrageous. It is hard to hang on and keep believing in justice while the wheels of justice turn.
Thank you for posting the situation that may have negatively affected his view of teachers.

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No problem. His comment doesn't make a whole lot of sense without knowing what he's referring to.

The wheels of justice fortunately really turned pretty fast on this one. The Court of Appeal took the case and promptly shut down the trial court, telling them absolutely not, you are not to consider the child's history sexual or otherwise in your decision. They ordered a new trial to be done correctly. I hope Petersen has heard the Court of Appeal ruled on this, it was only a few weeks ago.

If you read the facts of the case, it's pretty disturbing. The male teacher was well liked by many of the girls in class, the talk among the girls was that he was "cute" and he used it to his advantage to slowly lure his victim. He had sex with her IN the classroom as well as elsewhere.

I don't think it's fair for Paul to paint the situation as if teachers support blaming the victim. In fairness, an outside law firm chose a very unfortunate legal strategy on this case. Like I said, I doubt they consulted with LAUSD math or English teachers on how to approach this case. I'm sure rather they dealt with admin and in house counsel. Everyday teachers can hardly be held responsible for this.

Over In TFW's County said...

I don't think it's fair for Paul to paint the situation as if teachers support blaming the victim. In fairness, an outside law firm chose a very unfortunate legal strategy on this case.

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I agree. I had no idea what he was talking about, but I figured it must be something that went down and he just omitted the facts. I think he really needs to clarify that for those who think that he considers all teachers to care more about themselves than about students' rights and privacy.

Math Girl said...

There is a current case in BC that involves "blame the victim" and is causing much outrage. According to police reports, a drunk driver crossed into oncoming traffic on a narrow highway, killed two bicyclist and his own passenger, and fled the scene. The wife of one of the victims is suing the driver and the owner of the car for compensation for her husband's death.

Good old ICBC, our provincial insurance company, has filed a defense alleging 12 ways that the bicyclist was responsible for the accident. One part of the suit alleges that "He was operating the said cycle without proper care and attention or without reasonable consideration for others using the highway." Those bicyclists, always jumping out in front of people drying drunk on the wrong side of the road just to get themselves killed.

ICBC said it isn't accusing the cyclist of anything, but is just "flagging possible issues". In other words, throw shit at the wall and see if any of it sticks. They have withdrawn the charge the the cyclist may have been "impaired by alcohol, drugs, fatigue, illness or any combination thereof." In other words, they investigated that one and found not a shred of evidence for it, or maybe found irrefutable evidence disproving it.

An ICBC spokesman has said that "this is very much part of the standard legal process".

The comments are absolutely scathing. Here's my favorite:
Okay let's settle this fairly. We'll put ICBC's lawyers on bicycles and let them ride from Whistler to Pemberton while all vehicles on the road are driven by drunken half-wits. Then we'll listen to their defense of impaired drivers who kill and destroy families - if the lawyers are still alive that is.

This is the sort of thing that makes people loathe lawyers. No insult meant to present company.

If you want to read more, here's a link, but I can't guarantee it won't make your head explode:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ross-chafe-icbc-lawsuit-1.3292392

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Wow, that bicycle case is interesting.

In torts you're supposed to balance who is responsible. For instance if you ran a stop sign but the other person was going 30 mph over the speed limit, you might be found 20% liable still, which reduces your payout. In most situations I think the responsibility of all parties should be weighed.

It does seem though that certain things shouldn't assign any blame to the victim. Like drunk drivers and teachers who molest little children.

There was a horrific car accident the other day on the 5. The young man wasn't wearing his seatbelt and was ejected from the car and happened to land on a freeway sign. Apparently hundreds of cars drove by and saw the gruesome sight before firemen removed his body.

FYI said...

redbird said... 70
I watched Leah last night. Wow! I was very surprised that Katie Holmes said that she regretted making Leah sad and wish the best for her in the future.
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I watched it also. It was eye-opening to say the least. Although I recorded "Going Clear", I haven't got around to watching it, so Leah's interview really showed the manipulation that goes on in Scientology. Just her description of what her sister and her endured in "boarding school" was disgusting--rat-infested rooms, hard labor, etc.

For those that missed it, you can see clips or watch the full episode here.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/

I think I may just end up buying her book, which goes on sale Tuesday, Nov. 3.

On another note, it was nice to see Tony Dovolani lend her his support.

Tony Dovolani ‏@TonyDovolani · 22h22 hours ago
@LeahRemini inspirational.... That's my best friend xoxoxo #ABC2020

Math Girl said...

In torts you're supposed to balance who is responsible. For instance if you ran a stop sign but the other person was going 30 mph over the speed limit, you might be found 20% liable still, which reduces your payout. In most situations I think the responsibility of all parties should be weighed.
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In the bicycle case, it's like the motorize was going 30 mph over the speed limit and the defense is "well, maybe you ran the stop sign, and maybe your brakes were defective, and maybe you were tired, and maybe you were drunk , and maybe you have bad eyesight, and maybe you once drove without wearing your seatbelt, and maybe..." except they left out the word "maybe" and some people are believing that you were a blind drunken stop-light runner with bad brakes, because "there's no smoke without fire". Maybe they should investigate BEFORE they start slinging around accusations with no evidence whatsoever.

They've already withdrawn on of their "defenses/accusations". Perhaps they'll withdraw others as they discover they're also baseless.

In the meantime they've attempted to smear a dead man's character, which is not going down well at all. Except with those who will always believe "there's no smoke without fire". and "there are no innocent victims". Of course, if he hadn't gone for a bike ride at all, or gone at a different time, or taken a different road, he'd probably still be alive.

redbird said...

St. Tony is just an all around great guy, supporting Leah.

Wonder if TFW regrets burning her DWTS bridge. She is just so incredibly stupid throwing away all the opportunities she could of prospered on. Even CC. She was so lazy, she couldn't even handle that. The networking she could of done. Well, she can just sit back and weep and watch Pioneer Woman cook on her show, huge endorsement deal with Walmart, sell her cookbooks, blog on her blog.

Even her basset hound's picture is in the Walmart circular. Her husband and son are pictured riding horses but you can only see from behind them. Her line of dish and glassware are very nice. I hope she has much success!

All This Is That said...

I can't quite figure out if she thinks that she is Kate's mother, guardian or lover.

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack
BTW Remember you get to #FallBack into bed an extra hour tonight! #DST ...so set your clock back! #SavorTheExtraSleep @kateplusmy8

FlimsyFlamsy said...

All This Is That (#83), yes, Gladys thinks she's all of those. And
I suspect she'd also add sister, twin, BFF, and, most importantly,
chief defender. And that whole tangle of feelings is completely
one sided. If she weren't so snotty and self important, I'd feel
sorry for her. But she gives as good as she gets.

P.J. said...

All this talk about what goes on in the legal world reminds me of How To Get Away With Murder. Anybody watching? I can't ever remember watching a show where every single character lies, cheats and steals like the characters on this show. I record every episode so I can watch it twice to catch all the stuff I miss.

Viola Davis is amazing. They all are, actually.

All This Is That said...

Michele Giarratano ‏@sunshinepawleys 51m51 minutes ago
Where did you get this t shirt? What is the brand name? Thanks 🎃
@Kateplusmy8

LOL!! This is the same sheeple who posted a picture of herself back in June, in a dress like Kate's, calling them twins. She also asked where Kate got the shirt and Kate never answered. Four months later, it apparently is still on her mind! For gosh sakes, Kate, tell her!

redbird said...

Sad because I can't watch Golden Girls, Fraiser, I Love Lucy or The Waltons because of the Annual Hallmark Channel Holiday Hostage Takeover!

Well, I just found Bonanza, The Lost Episodes on ISPN. Whew!

swingsandroundabouts said...

P.J. said... 85

All this talk about what goes on in the legal world reminds me of How To Get Away With Murder. Anybody watching? I can't ever remember watching a show where every single character lies, cheats and steals like the characters on this show. I record every episode so I can watch it twice to catch all the stuff I miss.

Viola Davis is amazing. They all are, actually.

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Yes, I watch that show and Viola Davis is amazing. I also record it so I can re-wind to see certain scenes over again. One really has to pay attention because of the flashbacks but I do enjoy it. The side stories and how they are resolved are truly interesting. Years ago I used to watch a show called Paper Chase also about a law professor and his students, minus all the violence. At least as I remember it.

fidosmommy said...

Oh, The Paper Chase! John Houseman at his finest. Dr. Kingsfield was
the professor I never wanted but was always thankful I had. I loved the movie and the TV show.

Midnight Madness said...

All This Is That (#83), yes, Gladys thinks she's all of those. And
I suspect she'd also add sister, twin, BFF, and, most importantly,
chief defender

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Kate is everything to Milo and she believes or hopes that she is everything to Kate. She treasures Kate and I think that she honestly thinks that the feelings are reciprocated. It's pathetic, and yes, if she weren't such a hypocrite and a self-serving snit, one could actually feel sorry for her,

JoyinVirginia said...

Bindi Irwin has a nice article in People magazine, November 9 edition, pages 68 to 71.
Notable: she is 17 and had already graduate high school. I'm not sure how the Australian educational system is, but the article mentions she has a certificate in business and she wants to do a certificate program in tourism next. She also wants to get her drivers license when she gets back to Australia.
Another notable mention is that she started with two inch heels. Apparently she had never worn heels before the show, at least not on such a continuous basis.
According to the article she met the boyfriend Chandler Powell when he visited the zoo with a group of wakeboarders and Bindi gave the guided tour to the group. They keep in touch on Skype and only see each other every two or three months and it sounds like it's always a group date with mom and little brother.
Notable quotes: Derek Hough: I appreciate her work ethic and humility.
Mom Terri Irwin: Bindi has always been the most beautiful caterpillar, but now she's a butterfly.
There is a nice photo of Bindi with her mother and brother Robert, her brother is the spitting image of his dad Steve.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Did TFW tweet at all on Halloween?

redbird said...

I thought Betty White had the record or was one of the few actors that have worked in the most decades. I came across a young 20 year old guy on the Lone Ranger show named Darryl Hickman. He is only 84 years old but he has been on tv ever since 1937. 30s, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's and 2010's.

From The Prisoner of Zenda (uncredited) in 1937 to What Ever Happened to Norma Jeane? (himself) 2016 filming (in production)

Nine Decades! 3 more years and it would be 10 decades!!! and only about 88 years old!

I think that is amazing!

Lynne In RI said...

redbird (93): "I came across a young 20 year old guy on the Lone Ranger show named Darryl Hickman. He is only 84 years old but he has been on tv ever since 1937. 30s, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 2000's and 2010's."

)))))))))))))))))))

Brother of Dwayne Hickman, who played the lead role in Dobie Gillis.

Yes, I also had a "Dr. Kingsfield." He is a published author with many of his works (mostly poetry) online. I never told him what he meant to me, how much I learned from him, and I think it's time to e-mail him and thank him! He was the toughest professor I ever had in college and grad school, and instilled in his students such a passion for literature. Looking back it's incredible how much I remember!

Susan1956 said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 92

Did TFW tweet at all on Halloween?
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Nope. Retweeted someone's comment about her 8 episode series coming back on December 15th and ignored a request for a Happy Birthday tweet from an 18 year old.

I'd say Jon probably had the kids--or most of them anyway.

redbird said...

Yes, Lynne in RI, definitely let your professor know how much he meant to you academically.

Susan1956 said...

http://www.inquisitr.com/253232I6/jessa-seewald-bares-baby-bump-as-duggars-hope-her-pregnancy-tv-special-solves-financial-woes-but-is-jim-bob-jealous/
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While I believe that Mrs. Seewald is anxious to give birth--cause you know no other woman has ever given birth except her mother--and stay in the spotlight with her own TV show, I don't believe for a minute that JimBoob hasn't followed TFMJG's strategy and squirreled money away.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kids are NOT Normal ‏@KidDictionary 9m9 minutes ago
If each of your kids have 8 kids, will you change the show to "Kate Plus 8 to the 8th," @Kateplusmy8 ? http://www.Phrazzlers.com

Oh, great idea. Let the cycle of abuse continue.

Midnight Madness said...

Emily Lekse Rivera♡ ‏@emmy_lekse_16 30m30 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 When's the trailer coming out for the next season?
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LOLOL!~ Is this a season? Kate is a hopin' and a wishin'

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Retweeted someone's comment about her 8 episode series coming
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Is this a fact that Kate has 8 episodes coming out. If so, that makes me sick. Does anybody remember the episodes that she filmed. From that maybe we can figure out how many episodes she does have. Also does anybody know when the Duggar's sisters' show started or any details about it. Thanks!

Midnight Madness said...

Those bicyclists, always jumping out in front of people drying drunk on the wrong side of the road just to get themselves killed.

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Is that how you dry out when you're drunk? You get into your car and look for cyclists jumping out in front of you? ;)

Midnight Madness said...

Happy Halloween to all and if you're passing around unwanted candy I'll take either the Heath Bars or the Reese's Pieces.

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I'm really into Tootsie pops right now, so if you have any left over...

I am going through the Target and Toys R Us Christmas books right now, and I see some things that I wouldn't mind having! Oh, to be a kid again!

fidosmommy said...

redbird said redbird said... 96
Yes, Lynne in RI, definitely let your professor know how much he meant to you academically.

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Wise words, redbird! Coincidentally just today I started thinking about my high school humanities teacher. I googled her and found a VERY recent obituary. She was 95 years old. Quick math tells me she was only 50 when she was my teacher. I always thought she was near retirement! Ah, the perspective of youth. Anyway, the point is, I missed my opportunity to contact her.

I will now have to consider writing to my favorite professor of all time. He's living in KY and still quite active in his retirement years. I never missed a class. He was a fabulous teacher. He helped me determine my career path, and I'm not sure he knows that.

thuvia said...

OT....to all you ladies who live in the southern Atlantic costal area I am jellus. Visiting my daughter in Atlanta and today we went to the
Grant St farmers market and found a vendor from Valona Ga. with fresh shrimp, harvested on Fri, sold on Sun and not frozen. To a gal from the Midwest that is heaven. Also fresh pasta from a charming gentleman who assured me he made the pasta from semolina wheat and eggs from his own hens. Cooking with my dd and gds was like old times and for supper, Midwest for evening meal, was shrimp and pasta with the last of the fresh garden tomatoes and basil. If I could get shrimp like that weekly I would weigh an ton.

NOIP said...

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/11/01/alberta-home-schooling-association-cancels-duggars-speech.html

Looks like Canada wants no part of the Duggers either. Really don't want them here stinking up our country.

Math Girl said...

NOIP said... 105
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/11/01/alberta-home-schooling-association-cancels-duggars-speech.html

Looks like Canada wants no part of the Duggers either. Really don't want them here stinking up our country.
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Wow. This is very interesting.

Just a few days ago, they were defending their decision to have the Duggars as the keynote speakers at their conference.

Here is a quote:

The statement went on to say the response from AHEA members has shown "almost unanimous" support for hosting the Duggar Family at the 2016 convention for home schooling parents to be held in Red Deer, Alta. on April 8 and 9.

And here's the source if you want to read more:
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/10/29/alberta-home-education-association-defending-bringing-the-duggars-to-speak

I guess support for the Duggars wasn't as "near unanimous" as they originally thought.

P.J. said...

NOIP said... 105
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/11/01/alberta-home-schooling-association-cancels-duggars-speech.html

Looks like Canada wants no part of the Duggers either. Really don't want them here stinking up our country.

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So, the thinking by the Home School Association was that the sexual assault was "old news"? Wow. Glad they got jumped on with both feet.

People need to keep speaking up. It does have an effect.

Tucker's Mom said...

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/11/01/alberta-home-schooling-association-cancels-duggars-speech.html

Good. It's not that I wish the Duggars ill will. The fact is that these parents made a horrible, horrible decision by allowing their predator son back under their roof and giving him access to their daughters, whom he was molesting.
All the way down to the 5-year old.
That's bad enough, but to go forth and try to call themselves the victims was abhorrent, as was minimizing Josh's actions by saying the girls didn't even know, it was a couple seconds of touching and hardly ever under clothing.
The fact that they were doing all they could to protect Josh instead of their own daughters is what they are paying for now.
They shouldn't be held up as role models until they care more about being honest and using their mistakes to help others.

Tucker's Mom said...

This verifying before we can post is new. I like seeing my post right away, but after submitting, the screen goes to the top of the post.
Wondering if anyone is having trouble posting using phones or tablets?

Jane said...

Tucker's Mom - there seem to be some Blogger problems at the moment. Must be because it's Monday and the Mets lost!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The article seems to be implying that a few vocal people convinced the homeschooling group to cancel the Duggars. Good for them for listening and not being too stubborn or prideful to change their minds.

I see the irony of another one of their speakers going to speak about child abuse. Maybe they thought so too.

P.J. said...

My comment in the wee hours this morning is the first time I've had one go through without saying it will be posted after it's been verified. My comments never show up immediately.

P.J. said...

I just got the message: "Your comment will be visible after approval."

I always get that message.

Tucker's Mom said...

Just trying another test message to see if it posts immediately. Blogger is asking me to verify that I'm not a robot by having me check off photos that match the top photo, then submit.

Tucker's Mom said...

Hmm...ok, that last message went off without verification and says my comment will be visible after approval.
Okeedokee!

Jane said...

I think there were a few commenters who enjoyed the HBO series "Getting On" and if my Verizon listing is correct, new shows begin Nov 8!

Gigi Be said...

Jon posted on his Instagram ( it won't let me post the link) of Joel getting his first "real" haircut. I think the cut looks great but I think it's a pitty that it took 11 yrs for a " first real" haircut. I'm glad Joel got to enjoy some male bonding as well!

Jane said...

Gigi, I saw that pic. What a cute kid! While I wish Jon would leave pictures of the children off social media, it does seem more like a happy dad showing a fun time than the exploitation their mother subjects them to. I also that Mady is trying to get "verified" and does q and a with her "fans".

Tucker's Mom said...

Gigi Be said... 117
Jon posted on his Instagram ( it won't let me post the link) of Joel getting his first "real" haircut. I think the cut looks great but I think it's a pitty that it took 11 yrs for a " first real" haircut. I'm glad Joel got to enjoy some male bonding as well!
November 2, 2015 at 7:46 AM
Jane said... 118
Gigi, I saw that pic. What a cute kid! While I wish Jon would leave pictures of the children off social media, it does seem more like a happy dad showing a fun time than the exploitation their mother subjects them to. I also that Mady is trying to get "verified" and does q and a with her "fans".
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So Mady is on social media? Kate's been denying that forever.
What's a "real" haircut?

P.J. said...

Gigi Be said... 117

Jon posted on his Instagram ( it won't let me post the link) of Joel getting his first "real" haircut.

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What the hell does that mean? Don't tell me that bitch has been chopping their hair off all this time! Talk about a control freak who won't spend money on anyone but herself.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jon posted on his Instagram ( it won't let me post the link) of Joel getting his first "real" haircut. I think the cut looks great but I think it's a pitty that it took 11 yrs for a " first real" haircut.


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Does he mean like a real male barbershop? A male barber, no females in the shop, brushes your shoulders off with a brush and if you're old enough gives you a shave. That's a big right of passage for some boys. I bet that's what he means. It's great Jon can do the sort of "guy things" that just aren't the same when you go with mom.

Math Girl said...

Here's the comment with Jon's picture of Joel:

My son Joel got a real haircut from my man Eric @ Mike & Joes!!! #teammikeandjoes
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Note that it doesn't say "first" anywhere! I think maybe it was realer than previous haircuts because it was at a barber shop rather than at a salon. Or maybe we're reading too much into it and it's just a shout-out to the haircutter (in gratitude, or for some small compensation like a free or reduced-rate haircut). I found Mike and Joe's online and it calls itself a "barber salon"; way to hit all the bases.

I also had weird verification problems yesterday. I think blogger took me to a different page after I posted! At least I didn't have to decipher some weird Dali-esque text.

Tucker's Mom said...

I can't find Jon's Instagram, but maybe he means what Admin thinks- a real salon with a nice shampoo, scalp massage and cut.
Oh, wait, Jon doesn't pay for anything for his kids, so how could this be??
;-)

Tucker's Mom said...

Math Girl said... 122
Here's the comment with Jon's picture of Joel:

My son Joel got a real haircut from my man Eric @ Mike & Joes!!! #teammikeandjoes
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Note that it doesn't say "first" anywhere! I think maybe it was realer than previous haircuts because it was at a barber shop rather than at a salon.
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Nice! Where icky boys and men hang out.
I don't get how the sheeple always discount and marginalize Jon. He's going to teach his boys to be men, and it doesn't necessarily involve doing the crap stinky house work!

FYI said...

Jon posted on his Instagram ( it won't let me post the link) of Joel getting his first "real" haircut.

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What the hell does that mean? Don't tell me that bitch has been chopping their hair off all this time! Talk about a control freak who won't spend money on anyone but herself.
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I think Jon called the hair cut "real" because he took Joel to a professional barber, rather than one of those unisex haircutting places like Super Cuts.

Math Girl said...

I think Jon may have been using "real" as a general superlative, not implying that others are false. For instance, if you see a very large pumpkin, you might say "now, that's a real pumpkin" (meaning really big).

FYI said...

So Mady is on social media? Kate's been denying that forever.
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Seems like Mady is denying it too, to a fault.

On the last three Zorro instagram posts before it describes the picture it says "read my bio! I'm the only Gosselin on IG". It already says that in the original bio. Seems like overkill to keep saying it on each post. It's more like someone is trying too hard to hide the fact that, indeed, she does have an instagram account.

BTW, has Kate stopped promoting Zorro's instagram? "He" posted a Happy Birthday to Mady and Cara, and also posted a Happy Halloween greeting, but Kate hasn't said a word about either post.

AuntieAnn said...

Math Girl said... 106

NOIP said... 105
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/11/01/alberta-home-schooling-association-cancels-duggars-speech.html

Looks like Canada wants no part of the Duggers either. Really don't want them here stinking up our country.
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Wow. This is very interesting.

Just a few days ago, they were defending their decision to have the Duggars as the keynote speakers at their conference.

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Talk about a 180 degree retraction. From keynote to 'small part':

"The association says its members pointed out the Duggars would have been just a small part of the convention in Red Deer, Alta., next April and that their philosophy is not representative of association as a whole.

It says a previously scheduled speaker, Chris Butler of the RCMP, will still be presenting his session on preventing child abuse."




They're not a small part of anything anymore -- they're finished. They're just wishing everyone would sweep their whole mess under the rug like they're trying to do.

I highly doubt Butler's presentation is anything like the Duggar's 'forgive and forget' dictum they keep preaching. Maybe they should attend one of his sessions.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

What the hell does that mean? Don't tell me that bitch has been chopping their hair off all this time! Talk about a control freak who won't spend money on anyone but herself.

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I doubt that very much. There were episodes of the kids getting haircuts at a place that caters to kids, so she hasn't been cutting their hair all of this time.

Localyocul said...

Jane, Mady is trying to get verified in IG or Twitter? How do you know she's trying to get verified?

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Just trying another test message to see if it posts immediately. Blogger is asking me to verify that I'm not a robot by having me check off photos that match the top photo, then submit.

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Yes, it was doing that to me last night, and even after I selected pictures, it still wouldn't post; Seems okay now, though, without having to prove I am not a Stepford Wife.

Tucker's Mom said...

They're not a small part of anything anymore -- they're finished. They're just wishing everyone would sweep their whole mess under the rug like they're trying to do.
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Jim Bob chose to marginalize what Josh did and make him and his violated girls the victims of some liberal agenda. Not a victim of Josh who molested them, not a victim of their parents who failed to protect them, and put them front on center in the public eye knowing darn well what skeletons lie in their closet.
Then JB has the temerity to assume that the public would just turn a blind eye to it all, and feel sorry for him at the same time.

Math Girl said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 129
What the hell does that mean? Don't tell me that bitch has been chopping their hair off all this time! Talk about a control freak who won't spend money on anyone but herself.

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I doubt that very much. There were episodes of the kids getting haircuts at a place that caters to kids, so she hasn't been cutting their hair all of this time.

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I doubt it too. Kate is just too lazy. And unskilled.

NOTE: Jon didn't say FIRST!

Rhymes with Witch said...

OT for dog people. Don't know whether it works for cats. I doubt it. :)

http://m.nydailynews.com/life-style/horoscopes/dog-pet-psychic-article-1.2420446

AuntieAnn said...

Then JB has the temerity to assume that the public would just turn a blind eye to it all, and feel sorry for him at the same time.

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What he and Michelle really need to do now is go home and shut up. Then they can rest on their twisted laurels in private.

Localyocul said...

I think he just meant it was a barber shop cut rather than Kids Kutz it Super Cuts

AuntieAnn said...

Math Girl said... 126

I think Jon may have been using "real" as a general superlative, not implying that others are false. For instance, if you see a very large pumpkin, you might say "now, that's a real pumpkin" (meaning really big).

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I think you're right. The boys' hair has always looked nicely cut wherever it was done, IMO.

Joel's hair does look good though.

Rhymes with Witch said...

And OT for trekkies.

http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/star-trek-television-series-launch-2017-article-1.2420632

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Remember how TFW said little J would grow up and have a
woman fall in love with his good looks, before realizing that he's
"totally clueless?" Out of her own mouth, folks.

Tucker's Mom (#132), now, let's not be throwin' four-star
father Jim Bob under the bus. Remember, according to him,
he knows lots of families who've had much worse things
happen to them! Oh, how I wish Megyn Kelly would've asked
the family to elaborate on that bombshell which was so casually dropped into the interview. I'd be really curious to hear what is considered worse than a teenager repeatedly molesting his little
sisters.

P.J. said...

rainbowsandunicorns said...

There were episodes of the kids getting haircuts at a place that caters to kids, so she hasn't been cutting their hair all of this time.

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On TLC's dime. I haven't watched for years, but I'm pretty sure that not all of their haircuts were filmed.

I put nothing past her.

Tucker's Mom said...

Rhymes with Witch said... 134
OT for dog people. Don't know whether it works for cats. I doubt it. :)

http://m.nydailynews.com/life-style/horoscopes/dog-pet-psychic-article-1.2420446
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Oh, I think cats would have plenty to say!

Tucker's Mom said...

I'd be really curious to hear what is considered worse than a teenager repeatedly molesting his little
sisters.
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Yes! So many red flags that Kelley just fall by the wayside. My respect for her went WAY down after that interview. She walked in there with an agenda.
What woman/mother would just sit there and let a father say that his son molesting his daughters was not that bad and oh, btw, so many other families are so much worse?
No follow up? Really?
Kelley just went back to the Fox studio to beat her conspiracy drum and work with JB to sully the reputation of a career-long public servant.

Sherry Baby said...

On TLC's dime. I haven't watched for years, but I'm pretty sure that not all of their haircuts were filmed.

I put nothing past her.

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We have seen pictures of the boys and their hair always look professionally cut. Kate could never, in a million years, do that. She would never have the skill or the patience to cut the boys' hair. Boys are icky, remember...she would never lay a hand on their heads.

Sherry Baby said...

Oh, how I wish Megyn Kelly would've asked
the family to elaborate on that bombshell which was so casually dropped into the interview. I'd be really curious to hear what is considered worse than a teenager repeatedly molesting his little
sisters.

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I'd like to hear him answer the question that if he and the families knew about it if it was ever reported, and what the outcome of the investigation was.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Oh, I think cats would have plenty to say! 141

Oh I don't doubt that, they just strike me as inscrutable.

redbird said...

Here is Jon's IG account link.

https://instagram.com/dj_jon_gosselin/

I hope the same for Colin and Aaden!

Sherry Baby said...

What he and Michelle really need to do now is go home and shut up. Then they can rest on their twisted laurels in privacy

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Boobers shut up? Babytalks quit her head-bobbing? They can't do that. The addiction to fame runs more too deep. They are in denial, and I don't think that anything can cure that. It's like...nothing to see here now, let's go back to the way it was. Heck, even the girls share this same addiction and are obsessed with displaying photos of baby bumps, like anyone really cares. They can't get over the fact that it is over for them. Like Kate, there is nothing that will make them go away. As long as there are a few fans who suck up to them and egg them on, they'll be out there doing something for attention and praise.

AuntieAnn said...

What woman/mother would just sit there and let a father say that his son molesting his daughters was not that bad and oh, btw, so many other families are so much worse?

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Oh, they're out there. Cindy Anthony comes to mind. Protecting your children is natural but minimizing their behavior or lying in order to keep them from being held responsible for their perverse actions does them no favors.

Tucker's Mom said...

https://instagram.com/p/9lNusQSF8h/?taken-by=dj_jon_gosselin

Great fade cut! Yeah, not getting that at Baby Bubbles.

redbird said...

Sherry Baby said... 143
On TLC's dime. I haven't watched for years, but I'm pretty sure that not all of their haircuts were filmed.

I put nothing past her.

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We have seen pictures of the boys and their hair always look professionally cut. Kate could never, in a million years, do that. She would never have the skill or the patience to cut the boys' hair. Boys are icky, remember...she would never lay a hand on their heads.

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Oh, she didn't let that bother her when she grabbed a boy by the hair of his head and dragged him up the stairs and threw him into his crib and beat him into the crib with the wooden spoon.

And, she grabbed a boy by the hair AND neck and held him down within an inch of a pile of dog feces.

Hair comes in handy when TFW has to discipline her special
******* way!

PA Dutch Mom said...

https://instagram.com/p/9lNusQSF8h/?taken-by=dj_jon_gosselin

Now that is a manly man cut! He looks so grown up!

PA Dutch Mom said...

I'd like to hear him answer the question that if he and the families knew about it if it was ever reported, and what the outcome of the investigation was.

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Yes, indeed. I would love to hear him answer that and put him on the spot. Obviously he would just mumble something incoherent, but to see him shake a bit in his boots would be fun. Kelly couldn't ask that in a scripted interview, though, because I think she'd be afraid of what the answer would be and of opening up a whole new can of proverbial worms. She is such a wuss.

redbird said...

AuntieAnn said... 148
What woman/mother would just sit there and let a father say that his son molesting his daughters was not that bad and oh, btw, so many other families are so much worse?

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Oh, they're out there. Cindy Anthony comes to mind. Protecting your children is natural but minimizing their behavior or lying in order to keep them from being held responsible for their perverse actions does them no favors.

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The Anthony family was a extremely dysfunctional family. George and her brother was supposedly molesting Casey. Cindy's mother wanted to press charges against Casey because she altered a birthday check that she had given to her and she got a lot of money out of her and her grandfathers nursing home account. But Cindy put her foot down and stopped her.

Shame that she didn't call the police before telling Cindy about the theft. Then Casey would of been arrested and she could of pressed charges and she would of went to jail for 2 to 3 years. Then Cindy would of gotten emergency custody of Caylee and it would of been much harder for Casey to get her back. She didn't deserve raising Caylee.

Casey didn't want to raise her and certainly didn't want Cindy to either. She tried to give Caylee up for adoption to a friend of hers who loved Caylee and wanted to raise her but she told Cindy about it and there goes that foot down again. I bet Casey has wished that she never told Cindy about it until the adoption went through and since Casey is legally old enough to adopt her out, it would of taken years in court to straighten it out. Then she could have lived until she got older and could tell someone what was happening to her if she got around Casey.

IIRC, Cindy Anthony said, I've lost Caylee and I am not going to lose Casey. She enabled Casey from birth. I have posted for years here that if Cindy would of paid Casey's rent for about 2 years instead of taking money out of her 401K and getting George out of a Nigerian money scam her gd might be alive today. Cindy could of had a paper signed for medical in case Casey couldn't be contacted. Cindy could of continued working part time and hired someone part time to help her with Caylee and housework.

That would of been enough time for Casey to hang her own self. The path she was on, she would have sooner or later without taking Caylee with her.

AuntieAnn said...

I have posted for years here that if Cindy would of paid Casey's rent for about 2 years instead of taking money out of her 401K and getting George out of a Nigerian money scam her gd might be alive today.

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Yes, but as we well know, shoulda-woulda-couldas are of NO value after the fact. No one can turn back the clock.

redbird said...

I kept up with Lacy and Conner Peterson, then Natalie Holloway and then Caylee Anthony.

I followed Lacy because I remember the day when the tv was on and they were showing the candlelight vigil on the news and they said that a young married pregnant lady was missing and they showed the crowd and zoomed in on her husband Scott. He was LAUGHING! Your wife who is about to have the baby is MISSING and your at a candlelight vigil where people were upset and crying and your laughing through your buck teeth? When I saw that, I had the most funny strange gut feeling and I remember saying out loud, Oh, my gosh, He did it! I knew he did it! Remember the boat that the defense parked in the parking lot across the street from the courthouse? People started overnight putting candles, flowers all in it that had a dummy in it representing Lacy. They said flower shops were getting phone calls saying send an order of roses to THE BOAT!

I got very deep into Natalie Holloway because she was from my state and very close by. It was just maddening what Van der Sloot was putting Beth, her mother and family through.

too bad,so sad said...

Sherry Baby said... 144

Oh, how I wish Megyn Kelly would've asked
the family to elaborate on that bombshell which was so casually dropped into the interview. I'd be really curious to hear what is considered worse than a teenager repeatedly molesting his little
sisters.
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One part of me agrees and another part knows I do not want to hear it. There is just so much information like this I can live with.

What really continues to upset me is that JimBob smirked and said as parents we are not mandated reporters. He put that right out there loud and clear into the public and I can not find anyone forming a group in his state or any politician working towards a law to make all parents who home school mandated reporters!
In schools all teachers are mandated reporters and so are many, many other people who the child is in contact with every single day. Bullying and abuse are talked about in the school and students are told of people they can and should turn to, and how to do it. They are also in contact with so many adults who are not mandated reporters but who would do the right thing and call if given information.
Who do home schoolers like the Duggars have? They are so isolated and never told who outside the family they could turn to, well unless it is the head of their religion or the head of their home schooling program, and I for one think that would only make it worse.
Laws need to be changed.

Over In TFW's County said...

George and her brother was supposedly molesting Casey.

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Where did that come from? "Supposedly" isn't fact and as far as I know, it was never proven. The family certainly was dysfunctional, and rumors were flying left and right, but I don't think that either of them were ever investigated for molestation.

Over In TFW's County said...

Oh, she didn't let that bother her when she grabbed a boy by the hair of his head and dragged him up the stairs and threw him into his crib and beat him into the crib with the wooden spoon.

And, she grabbed a boy by the hair AND neck and held him down within an inch of a pile of dog feces.

Hair comes in handy when TFW has to discipline her special
******* way!

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Yes, but that was before the boys became as icky as they are now, and I really think that grabbing their hair in a minute of discipline doesn't compare with sitting them down long enough for a haircut, to comb their hair, cut it and trim it. She could never do that.

P.J. said...

Over In TFW's County said... 158

Where did that come from? "Supposedly" isn't fact ...

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It was never stated as fact. Hence the word "supposedly". That was one of the rumours swirling around that case. I didn't follow it closely, but even I heard that in passing.

redbird said...

AuntieAnn, I know. And that is sad.

redbird said...

From Paul Peterson's Facebook.

Kate is a Twit posted this comment upstream.

The Comment of the Week came in from Bob Hazzard re the article I posted about the work status of kids on Reality TV. To wit:
"There is a simple test to determine if children are employees or not. Remove them from the show. If you still have a show then they are incidental. If you have to add them to enhance the show they are employees. If you don't have a show without them they are principal talent and deserve commensurate compensation."

You said it, Bob Hazzard. Thank You.
Paul Petersen

redbird said...

Was surfing from a break from The Voice and on Law and Order SVU was an elderly man that looked familiar. Looked him up and it was
Jack Larsen, who played Jimmy on Superman.

I looked at his credits and wow, he was an associate producer for the movie, Big Lights, Big City. It is a good movie, but my 2 very favorite
Michael J. Fox movie is The Secrets of My Success and BTTF 1

localyocul said...

George and Lee did not molest Casey IMO. I followed the case very closely and she made these comments to various people. Of course, she also relayed imaginary "work" conversations and assignments, told George she was robbed while at work at Footlocker where she never worked, gave about 5 different stories as to who was Caylee's father, got dressed every day and pretended to go to work at Universal, and of course told everyone Caylee was with Zanny the Nanny when she was actually rotting in the woods.

localyocul said...

Other than that, I completely agree that Cindy completely enabled Casey's lies and responsibility shirking.

Over And Out said...

P.J. said, "It was never stated as fact. Hence the word "supposedly". That was one of the rumours swirling around that case. I didn't follow it closely, but even I heard that in passing."

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I heard it, too, but I can see where OITFWC is coming from. Why even bring it up? I mean, the whole family was just plain strange, and one can speculate until the cows come home about the "what ifs" and in the end, it is not going to make a darn bit of difference. The little girl is dead. Should things have been done differently by the grandparents? Probably, but they weren't and we will never know for sure what the outcome would have been had they gone down a different path in caring for that little girl. I am just not sure what, if anything, George's alleged molestation, along with the son, would have played in Caylee's death.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

From Paul Peterson's Facebook.

Kate is a Twit posted this comment upstream.

The Comment of the Week came in from Bob Hazzard re the article I posted about the work status of kids on Reality TV. To wit:
"There is a simple test to determine if children are employees or not. Remove them from the show. If you still have a show then they are incidental. If you have to add them to enhance the show they are employees. If you don't have a show without them they are principal talent and deserve commensurate compensation."

You said it, Bob Hazzard. Thank You.
Paul Petersen



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That really was a great comment spotted by both our Kate is a Twit and Paul Petersen.

It's never been put so well and so logically.

AuntieAnn said...

It was never stated as fact. Hence the word "supposedly". That was one of the rumours swirling around that case. I didn't follow it closely, but even I heard that in passing.

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It not only swirled, Baez used it as part of Casey's defense and Cindy sat there and let the bus back over both her husband and her son. I think that woman was the biggest part of the problems that family had and she was willing to do or say anything to keep Casey from a life sentence or death. Dysfunctional hardly defines how unravelled that family was.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I still remember the shock and dismay on this blog when we all heard the verdict in the Anthony case.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Where did that come from?

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From what I remember, the first time I ever heard this was during the trial when it was brought up as part of the defense. I couldn't believe they were going there, and neither could anyone else.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


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Yes! So many red flags that Kelley just fall by the wayside. My respect for her went WAY down after that interview. She walked in there with an agenda.

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I think it was a tough assessment. I think she did some things well, others were a disappointment. I think her biggest misstep was not following up on his throwaway comment that other families have gone through much worse. What the WHAT! Exactly what did he mean by that, what has happened, and what did he do to protect the children in those families? Did he report the abuse?

By the way our favorite celebrity Kate hater Johnny Weir is on Chopped! I don't know if this is an old one but he's such a gem.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

From what I remember, the first time I ever heard this was during the trial when it was brought up as part of the defense. I couldn't believe they were going there, and neither could anyone else.

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Yes. I don't know if good old Jose pulled this out of his hat or what, but I wouldn't put it past him. He was going into dangerous territory with the defamation. it reeked of desperation.

AuntieAnn said...

If you don't have a show without them they are principal talent and deserve commensurate compensation."

You said it, Bob Hazzard. Thank You.
Paul Petersen



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That really was a great comment spotted by both our Kate is a Twit and Paul Petersen.

It's never been put so well and so logically.

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I think we've all been saying the same thing for years albeit not as succinctly. And Kate has proven that very point over and over again. She can't do a show without those kids. She has failed miserably on her own. If she were as great as her sheep think she is, she'd have had her own show of some kind. What happened to Twist of Kate? Why wasn't the Food Network knocking at her door? Why isn't she co-hosting the View?

Sheep? Any answers?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I think we've all been saying the same thing for years albeit not as succinctly.

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Yes, we've been saying she's nothing without those kids.

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it!

Sheepless In Seattle said...

I think we've all been saying the same thing for years albeit not as succinctly. And Kate has proven that very point over and over again. She can't do a show without those kids. She has failed miserably on her own. If she were as great as her sheep think she is, she'd have had her own show of some kind. What happened to Twist of Kate? Why wasn't the Food Network knocking at her door? Why isn't she co-hosting the View?

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Heck, she couldn't even do Coupon Cabin on her own; what happened to her deal with Kmart, why was her Walmart clothing line dumped overseas? She couldn't even get enough people to sign up for the cruise, not even when, as a last resort, they tried to entice people to sign up by the "Watch Kate and the twins frolic on the beach" nonsense. Her cookbook sales were dismal. Didn't she also want some kind of contract with a fitness magazine or program? She has failed at everything. She did manage to get herself on DWTS, CA and Wife Swap, and made a fool of herself there. Why is that, sheeple?

redbird said...

Scroll down and read what Baez said about what George would do to Casey and then go to school and play with the other kids like nothing was wrong and that Lee wanted to follow in his dad's footsteps with Casey.

I remember this statement and I was so shocked and gasped when I heard it.

http://trialnotes.blogspot.com/2011/05/casey-anthony-trial-day-1-defense.html

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Kate could have marketed that invisible good bra, made millions and let those kids enjoy their childhoods without filming the heck out of them. Why didn't she think of that? Sheeple?

Sheepless In Seattle said...

redbird -- you're missing the Waltons. There are two Waltons movies on tomorrow; A Day For Thanks on Walton's Mountain, and A Walton's Thanksgiving Reunion.

redbird said...

Thanks, Sheepless in Seattle.

I will look it up on the schedule. I was going to watch Murder She Wrote on the Hallmark Movie Channel and it is also being held hostage till Jan. 1.

Tucker's Mom said...

Yes, we've been saying she's nothing without those kids.
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Maybe why she keeps renewing her nursing license.
I think it will be hard for Kate to keep a steady paycheck after the kids stop filming. Hence, the filming the crap out of them while she can.
If they did film 8 episodes, then they were working as hard as when J+K+8 was cranking out an episode a week.
A. Lot.

I think this is not just a Kate thing, rather, it's emblematic of what these talentless people do once their reality tv show goes away.
There's always "Get Me Out Of Here I'm A Celebrity" Austraia ;-)

And the sheep make fun of Jon. At least he's trying to build a business

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#179), I think it may also have hit the "New York
bestseller" author that her writing days are behind her, too. The
cookbook tanked, and there has been nothing since. She probably
made a good chunk of change from those first 3 books (with, I'm
guessing, minimal effort on her part). But she has proven herself
to be a very unsympathetic figure, and not someone people are
interested in reading about except for the occasional tabloid
mention.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Redbird (#179), I'm also bummed that "The Middle" reruns are
off Hallmark until January. That show is one of my favorites!

handinhand said...

OT:
I remember Halle Berry being brought up a time or two on this blog.

It now seems like her baseball player ex, David Justice, is fed up with media reports and allegations that he was the one who physically abused her to the point of damaging her hearing in one ear.(He actually insinuates that it was Wesley Snipes who was the culprit). David is calling those reports, and Halle, out on his Twitter feed @23davidjustice.

Some examples:

david justice ‏@23davidjustice 11h11 hours ago
It just makes me mad to still see the same lie being perpetuated about the source of her abuse being me.Never happened!#formerboyfriend

david justice ‏@23davidjustice 12h Only the guys in the relationship with Halle know the real deal..there will be another,of course.He'll be called "The Best" until it ends.

david justice ‏@23davidjustice 12h12 hours ago
Just wait,Olivier..It's coming! She insinuated that her daughter wasn't safe around Gabriel..look it up and see the reason! Just wrong.smh

david justiceVerified account
‏@23davidjustice
She was mad at me leaving the relationship so she and her Hollywood Team just tried to destroy my character.It had to be my fault,right?

david justice ‏@23davidjustice 11h11 hours ago
@ulrich_rosie she wasn't going to commit suicide!! Pahleeze!! That's some Hollywood crap!

It also appears David was on Celebrity Wife Swap. He calls out the fakery of that show in this exchange:

xxxxxx xxxxx ‏@x_xxxx Oct 27
@23davidjustice on #celebritywifeswap, he'd have a rude awakening at my house. #Getyourownbreakfast #lazy #lostallrespect #helpaladyout

david justice ‏@23davidjustice Oct 27
@x_xxxxx C'Mon D..I thought you knew it was all staged��

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 180
Tucker's Mom (#179), I think it may also have hit the "New York
bestseller" author that her writing days are behind her, too. The
cookbook tanked, and there has been nothing since.
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Multiple Blessings had 2 things going for it; a smash hit family TLC show with cute kids, and Beth Carson.
I'm pretty sure Kate's going to at least attempt another book. Books seem to get her some press, her name in the tabloids etc

"Kate Plus 8 (Almost Fatherless) Teenagers: How Much Harder My Life Is Than Yours- As Written By Single Mother Kate Gosselin In Her (Mine ALL Mine) Mansion, With 3 Very Expensive Cars, 8 Kids In Private School, A Part-Time Domestic, Only 2-3 Luxury Vacations A Year And A Very Large Concrete Pond On Her 23 Acres.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Not enough is said about how crazy Halle Berry is. She's also a parental alienator of the worst kind. I hope she gets help someday.

handinhand said...

Yes, we've been saying she's nothing without those kids.
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I don't even know if she's much with the kids these days. I think they're putting this out so late because they're having a hard time cobbling together entertaining, decent episodes after months of taping. Hope those in the editing room have some NoDoz.

P.J. said...

david justiceVerified account
‏@23davidjustice
She was mad at me leaving the relationship so she and her Hollywood Team just tried to destroy my character.It had to be my fault,right?

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She needs to fire her "team". It ain't working for her. Most of the public knows she's a nutjob. Maybe she should give BV a call.

Tucker's Mom said...

david justice ‏@23davidjustice Oct 27
@x_xxxxx C'Mon D..I thought you knew it was all staged��
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RE: Celeb Wife Swap. Uh, duh! Of course it is.
The scene where Kendra (no makeup, or blow out hair) tries to carry dirty laundry down the steps and oh, gosh!! It's so hard! Laundry drops everywhere!!
Calgon, take me away!!!!!!!
That was so ham fisted it was laughable.

We get it the fake story here. Kate's got it so hard and all Kendra does is party.
(and then her husband sleeps with a dude, but that's another episode for another day)

localyocul said...

Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 184
Not enough is said about how crazy Halle Berry is. She's also a parental alienator of the worst kind. I hope she gets help someday.

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Totally! She and Kelly Rutherford are two peas in a pod

localyocul said...

redbird said... 175
Scroll down and read what Baez said about what George would do to Casey and then go to school and play with the other kids like nothing was wrong and that Lee wanted to follow in his dad's footsteps with Casey.

I remember this statement and I was so shocked and gasped when I heard it.

http://trialnotes.blogspot.com/2011/05/casey-anthony-trial-day-1-defense.html

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Baez is a big fat liar. In fact, he was not allowed to say anything about the sexual abuse in closing statements because, despite what he said in opening, he presented no evidence whatsoever to support, much less prove that statement. I think he was trying to get Lee to corroborate it (by lying) but he couldn't do it If you remember his testimony, Baez kept asking him if there was "anything else" and Lee couldn't do it

Tucker's Mom said...


She needs to fire her "team". It ain't working for her. Most of the public knows she's a nutjob. Maybe she should give BV a call.
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Another "common denominator" thing. Really? It's every man she's ever dated, but not Halle?

Tucker's Mom said...

Totally! She and Kelly Rutherford are two peas in a pod
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Ugh, that one! I was sort of on the fence with Rutherford until the last stunt she pulled.
Poor kids.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I don't even know if she's much with the kids these days


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I was thinking that as I typed it. The kids are light years older than when they started. It's nothing personal, they're not cute anymore as most kids their age are not. They're kind of sassy and talk back, but not in a way that is endearing or cute, as it rarely is at that age. There's nothing interesting or special about them, just like most kids who are strangers to you. The draw really was the pack of cute babies and toddlers and a poor man's Lucy and Ricky. Thsoe days are long gone. There is a reason she's not top billing anymore and is just cheap filler, saved on the top shelf until they have some hole in the schedule and need to put her episodes in there.

FYI said...

If they did film 8 episodes, then they were working as hard as when J+K+8 was cranking out an episode a week.
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Nowhere was it said that there are going to be 8 episodes, except by someone here who commented on whether Kate tweeted on Halloween.

That comment said "Nope. Retweeted someone's comment about her 8 episode series coming back on December 15th and ignored a request for a Happy Birthday tweet from an 18 year old."

This the tweet mentioned in that comment:

maxine ‏@max_1314 · Oct 29
when found out kate plus 8 new episode coming out December 15 #kateplus8 @Kateplusmy8

I think the poster just saw the "8 new episode" part and misinterpreted the tweet.

At this point in time, we have no idea of how many episodes are going to be shown.

Tucker's Mom said...

TLC NetworkVerified account ‏@TLC 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8, join the #MyBigFatFabLife's #NoBodyShame movement & post a #NoBS bicep photo with #NoBS!! :)
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Ha! Kate's bicep motto will read some crap about nothing tasting as good as thin/skinny feels.
I think Kate is scared to death about her kids being fat.

Tucker's Mom said...

At this point in time, we have no idea of how many episodes are going to be shown.
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Hence, the "if" part ;-)
However TLC decides to parse the filming, the kids filmed too much over the summer and perhaps into the school year.

redbird said...

Tucker's Mom said... 194
TLC NetworkVerified account ‏@TLC 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8, join the #MyBigFatFabLife's #NoBodyShame movement & post a #NoBS bicep photo with #NoBS!! :)
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Ha! Kate's bicep motto will read some crap about nothing tasting as good as thin/skinny feels.
I think Kate is scared to death about her kids being fat.

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Yep! She was afraid that they would get bigger and then they wouldn't be camera friendly!

Reminds me of Anna Nichole Smith. When she had Dannilynn, as an infant she forced the nanny to feed her 2.5 ozs. every 3 hours and was dangerously underweight. She wanted to do this so her baby would be SEXY!

http://www.tmz.com/2007/02/14/annas-nanny-smith-underfed-baby-to-make-her-sexy/

redbird said...

Just got a FB message from Paul Peterson.

I told him about Kate filming the kids all summer with hardly any breaks and also asked about if there was a teacher or someone on the set to look after their best interests.

Pennsylvania says they're working within the Law. What that means, exactly, is uncertain. Paul Petersen

Those poor kids.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Perhaps the next step, legislatively, needs to be to require productions to give a regular, detailed accounting of the minors on their set to the Department of Labor. Hours worked, days worked, duties, the presence or not of a guardian and set teacher. Any accidents, problems or issues reported. Regular visits by a Labr Dept. rep for inspection may also be wise.

Otherwise it seems to me produtions are just saying yep, we're in compliance! And there's no independent verification of that.

Rhymes with Witch said...

I think Kate is scared to death about her kids being fat. 195

I've always thought thatt was the reason for her fanatical portion control.

P.J. said...

Admin said...

There is a reason she's not top billing anymore and is just cheap filler...

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Yup, she even falls behind the man with the 132 lb scrotum. Maybe if she grew some 132 lb boobs...

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