Friday, April 24, 2015

Recap: Celebrity Apprentice Episode 8 the finale

It's time for the Apprentice finale with a live audience. The announcer sounds half bored and not at all impressed that this will be live. Over at ABC their announcer always sounds like he's about to stroke out whenever they dare to go live he's so excited about it.

Four flipping degrees outside? #yeahthatswhyimoved

There's Trump's kid Barron, his youngest. He must be about eight. He is such a good looking kid like all the Trump kids. He looks like a walking advertisement for the Hamptons. Trump is quite the eccentric, but in the spawn department he really did well.

Trump emerges from some cheap sliding doors like he just got a makeover. I think they borrowed those from The Biggest Loser. No makeover this time, he looks exactly the same though less orange when it's live.

He joins Ivanka and Trump Jr. at the boardroom table and starts talking about how wonderfully amazing the show is, giving himself credit for it all.  This is such good bad T.V.

As is usual for the live finale we will be skipping back and forth to the not-so-live final challenge in Florida. Recall from last time, Leeza and Geraldo were in the midst of making promotional packages for Universal Studios.

Last week I ran into a friend of mine who lives in the Hollywood Hills and she mentioned that the daughter of a friend of hers babysits for none other than crazy I-an! I mentioned crazy I-an was kind of crazy on Celebrity Apprentice but that I thought it might be just a character he was playing for more screen time and just because he can. She immediately agreed and said he's, according to her friend, completely normal and very nice, treats her daughter well and is not crazy at all. Well, that's a seriously gigantic relief.

They do a long recap of what happened last time. See my previous recap, hehe! Olivia Newton-John's accent is so lovely. I call it Australian elegance. Leeza can get away with saying she's going to win because she's actually going to. When Kate has said nonsense like that in the past it's just embarrassing. I like that two entertainment journalists are the finalists. It seems more fun when they're both sort of from the same world. I can't even imagine how inept Kate would be at this final task.

We pick up with Geraldo where we last left off. Recall he's using some child actors who were somehow misplaced, like you might lose your keys. They're still fumbling around trying to sort this all out. Lorenzo is trying to explain to Geraldo they have very limited time to do a great number of things and really need to haul it. Geraldo doesn't seem to care and calls this marching to a different beat. I call it Lorenzo understanding what a tight production schedule is. Geraldo takes over Lorenzo's duties because he thinks there can be only one captain of the ship. True, but shouldn't it be the person who knows what they're doing? Like Lorenzo. By the way Lorenzo was doing great, naturally, and can pretty much just shake his head at this point. They round up the kids and start filming some little spots. Geraldo's not very good with the kids, telling them things like "don't rest on your laurels." What the hell kid knows what that means? What the hell adult knows what that means for that matter! I know someone who has chosen to work with kids who talks like that. I scratch my head every day wondering if they realize how bad they are with kids. Kids don't know what you're saying, and that's not how you build rapport.

Over at Leeza's team they're at the cool Harry Potter section, where they're blocking out a scene for their commercial about an uptight dad.

Leeza forgot to account for Kevin Jonas who is attracting a bunch of fans ogling at him, which is starting to get in the way of production. Jonas brother saves the day though and asks his fans to please move along, and they do, just like little Jonas sheeple. I guess I have to admit that Jonas brother is doing a decent job directing the commercial. It looks like he is just systematically getting everything organized and shooting the shots they planned. The reality is under these time constraints it's more important that you get all the footage you need rather than it's an Oscar worthy performance. He understands that and he's delivering for Leeza. Good for him. Leeza goes on ahead to start editing and trusts Jonas brother to finish the last few shots. This makes Jonas brother and his huge head feel very good. But that's the thing, Leeza understands what makes somebody difficult to work with like Jonas brother become somebody easy to work with. In other words, she is a good manager who can manage anyone and play to their strengths. This is why she is a far superior choice as the winner, there is no close call this season whatsoever.

Back at Geraldo's team, Geraldo announces that as soon as Lorenzo just accepted Geraldo is in charge things went so much smoother. For Geraldo I guess. The truth is Lorenzo very reluctantly let him be in charge only because he's the boss, and Lorenzo thinks Geraldo's going to screw this whole thing up if he doesn't want to put his ego aside for one moment and trust somebody who knows what they are doing like Leeza trusts Jonas brother. Lorenzo is right, Geraldo is wrong, but this time Lorenzo doesn't have a dog in this fight so it's not worth trying to stop this clusterfuck.

Geraldo calls himself iconic, and I love that the producers let us hear the sound from the live studio audience, because they burst out laughing. They're laughing at you Geraldo. Lol.

Lorenzo says Geraldo is a pain in the ass, lol, but admits his energy is pretty endless. Yeah, I've noticed that with many celebs. I think your energy level has to be that high if you want to make it in this business, because so much of your success depends on whether you can outwork that other person who wants the role. That's why you always hear bizarro workaholic stories about how people like Meryl Streep sold all her personal belongings and went to go live in Poland for six months where she wandered the streets of Krakow every day eating sauerkraut sandwiches and making idle conversation with the locals until she had the accent perfected. I don't know if she did exactly that but I'm sure it was close enough, and you get my point.


Ah, the great Joan Rivers. I miss her midas touch on this live finale already.

The child actors are cute I guess, but Geraldo as Harry Potter is so creepy just as expected. Geraldo drinking butter beer dressed as Harry Potter comes across like the beginning of a really kinky porno. It's just not good.

Just before commercial break they show us the live backstage area where the has-been contestants are waiting. Kate is making duck lips while Terrell takes a selfie of them. Oh, Doofus, duck lips are so 2013. Also I love that she is so chummy with deadbeat dad of the year. He himself admits he can't be bothered to see his children because he's too busy. I think she's just ignorant (due to laziness), both to his history of treating his four baby mamas and their children like absolute crap, and to why it would be hypocritical of her to be so buddy-buddy with someone like him. Kate is so darn lazy she can't even bother to read the Wikipedia entries on her fellow contestants. Smart contestants going on this show do their research on their competition to try to find out where their opponents strengths and weaknesses are, as well as figure out who they should associate, and not associate with. I remember hearing somewhere, maybe it was in her documentary, that when Joan Rivers was on this show she had a gigantic three ringed notebook filled with information on the competition. Naturally, she won her season.

We're back! Trump introduces his family, and they show Barron again next to his mom. Melania looks really ticked off about something. At first I thought she didn't realize the cameras were on her and was just bored, but then when he says her name she must know yet she still can't barely manage the tiniest of smiles and won't even clap when everyone else around her is. Haha, Trump's in the dog house. Probably drank straight from the milk carton again.

Whoosh, and we're back to Florida again. For some reason I just pictured those cool Indiana Jones maps from the movies with a little bi-plane going down from New York to Florida. What business Indiana Jones would have in Florida I don't know.

Geraldo begins editing his commercial, and mercifully he's letting Lorenzo and the other two figure that out. Thank goodness. He works the phones to get his entertainment lined up, Tony Orlando. He is very moved that Tony is going to help him out, especially since Tony has a disabled sister.

Speaking for my generation, with all due respect to Leeza and Geraldo, I don't know who Tony Orlando is and the only reason I know who Olivia Newton-John is, is because Grease made a very small, very brief comeback when I was a kid (anyone remember it being re-released and going to see it?), and also because of a complete coincidence, I know a few of her friends. I just don't know that this sort of entertainment is going to interest anyone under 40.

Back at Leeza's team, she's leading the editing. Brandi and Jonas brother return from filming and they've brought churros! Churros!  By the way, have you seen these?



Yes, that is a churro ice cream sandwich. It speaks for itself; nothing more need be said about that.

I respect that Jonas brother is really trying to help Leeza make this the best that it can be. He doesn't have to work so hard on something of little consequence to him. I like him a teeny, tiny bit better than I used to.

Ian ends up really liking Geraldo's commercial, but says it's all about Geraldo. He wouldn't have done it that way. I agree with him, that was the wrong approach. It's awkward and self-serving, and the Harry Potter thing really doesn't work. Like, borderline weird porno really doesn't work.

Leeza's happy with her commercial too, she thinks it's upbeat. Brandi reports Brandi's raised $17,000, so that's a good start and not bad for a reality star. Leeza's worried though about Geraldo's fundraising. I think she should just not vex herself about that. Geraldo will always beat her on fundraising, there's nothing she can do about it. Better to focus her efforts on all the other things that she can do better.

Back in the studio in New York, it's time to bring out the losing celebs, woo hoo! They come out in order of being fired. We have Keisha, Gilbert, Jamie, the true deadbeat dad Terrell, Kate, who is dressed appropriately in what I would call a nude-gold sheath dress, and crazy Kenya Moore.

On a side note, there was a time when Kate dressed completely inappropriately, remember those days? I'm always going to be curious who or what made her stop that nonsense and start dressing her age. Because you don't go just like that from looking like a two bit hooker at the Reading Amtrak station to someone about to give a Ted Talk on overcoming adversity. Trump introduces her as American's most famous mom. I almost gasp until he adds, of eight. Lol, well sure, that's true. I like that he doesn't describe her as a reality star or anything like that. His description is accurate, she is a famous, or rather infamous, mom of eight. That's all she ever was, and apparently all she ever will be. Suck it, Kate.

Heh, Trump asks Kenya if she is a nice person. Can I answer that? No, she's a thief and a pathological liar. Trump certainly has no problem being blunt, so how come he won't ask Kate if she's a nice person?

Commercials! In New York, Trump has over the commercial break become "America's boss." Wow, guess we'll all be punching in with him on Monday.

Back in Florida, I don't know what is happening, but there appears to be some kind of red carpet event where you're standing in line. Geraldo says he can still get it up. Ew. I hate when old people make sex jokes. Just no.

Some rich people are sort of gathered in a big room with a few tables around, some posters, and a bunch of those weird aliens from Despicable Me who look like giant yellow horse pills with eyes. I guess they are collecting money because Geraldo and Leeza are suddenly shouting out donation numbers as people hand them checks. It seems to me Geraldo has an unfair advantage bringing in all his friends from Fox, it's all big business rich Republicans!

A limo pulls up and the soundtrack is some over the top Prince Valiant's coronation type thing with trumpets and snare drums as Trump steps out of the car. Trump is too much. You know he picked that music. The Transformers introduce Leeza and Geraldo. Those movies are so stupid, and somebody in post production turned up the yellows and blues on them so high you feel like you need sunglasses just to make it through.

Also I can never see a transformer without remembering the jingle from their old cartoon from the 80's. "Transformers: Robots in disguise! Buh-bum!!" No woman my age didn't have a bunch of guy friends or a brother our ages who, back in the day, couldn't be torn away from their T.V.'s between the hour of 8:30 and 9 on a Saturday morning because of "Transformers: Robots in disguise! Transformers: More than meets the eye!" (Wow, that's like Milo-level poetry.) In googling the show to see what is out there about it, I see they've done a reboot of it that just started this year. Oh, please no. Another generation of boys sucked into that useless vortex. Even if the new movies were any good, which they're not, I don't think I could like them anyway due to that jingle stuck in my head for thirty years.

Geraldo is stumbling all over everyone's names and occupations. Wait, is he sloshed? The other contestants look like they're asking themselves the same question. He correctly calls Ian I-an, but says I-an Zerling. Okay, John Travolta.

"Thanks so much for that, Geraldo-doe," Ian quips. Haha, funny. Like pig latin. You can tell I-an's pissed as hell somebody would dare insult his ego by flubbing his name, especially Geraldo. I-an has daggers in his eyes. Bit scary.

Leeza thinks Geraldo's commercial is professional but too Geraldo heavy. Yes. Some of the execs seem to like it. No one has said this, but I also think the concept of kids going off to one part of the park to enjoy something while the parents go off to enjoy another is a little odd. Most families are not going to spend that much money to happily leave their kids to go frolic off at the other end of the park. Usually families are here on vacation, and they want to enjoy the experience with the kids. Maybe when they're older.

I still don't know who Tony Orlando is, but he shares an inspiring story about his sister who has cerebral palsy and is "mentally retarded." I remember some people on here insisting awhile back that term is no longer acceptable, but I can attest that acceptable or not, the term is still in heavy use among medical professionals, social workers and even by families of those with mental disabilities, as evidenced here when Tony says it.

The Willowbrook mental institution story is a tragic one, but it's also been almost thirty years since they closed their doors forever. I've never understood why Geraldo keeps referring to Willowbrook like he just got it shut down or something. In fact there's been so much de-institutionalization since the 80's, some people who maybe actually need a more formal setting have been turned to the streets and dangerous and even deadly incidents have resulted. Mental health in this country is a controversial issue that's for sure, but Geraldo even being a journalist never really goes any deeper than his tag lines about it.

Leeza is probably one of the best public speakers I've ever seen. She breezes through her presentation. She's so good. Oh, don't tell Donald he changed your life, that just encourages him. I think her commercial is so much better, it has a story with a beginning, middle and end, about an overbearing and too organized dad. It has just the right touch of Leeza, with Leeza doing the voiceover. "Fun is your only agenda" is a good tagline and modern.

Leeza shows a wonderful photo of her hugging her mom. Aw. She speaks eloquently about how tragic Alzheimer's is. Leeza thanks Trump for giving her a platform for her charity. There is nothing insincere about this lovely woman and her cause. She believes in what she's doing mind, body and soul.

There's the dated entertainment Olivia Newton-John, but at least she sings a song "everybody knows" except me I guess, "Magic." Seriously, never heard of it. Vivica gets the live audience laughing when she says she has a girl crush on Olivia. Who doesn't? I don't much know her songs but even I have to admit there's something about her that is very crushable. Commercials.

We're back, and oh, no, I guess Trump must have flubbed Kiesha Knight's name earlier and feels he needs to correct it. What, did he say Kuh-Night or something? Oh, I guess he flubbed her other last name nobody knows or ever calls her by. Who cares. Trump cuts her off as she tries to thank him for helping her charity, lol, to shamelessly plug Miss Universe. Ha, Miss Universe drops an anvil hint she wants to be on next season's Apprentice, lol. There's a next season? Woo-hoo!

It's boardroom time, and because Lorenzo is a gentleman he starts saying Geraldo did a great job. Trump brings up that Geraldo flubbed all over introducing Lorenzo. Remember that was during that part where I was wondering if Geraldo might be drunk. Awkward.

Lol, I-an finally gives up and is like whatever just call me Ian (E-an). Ha, that's great. Sometimes it's just not worth having a name like that and he finally reached that point. We did a great job, blah blah, says Vivica. Geraldo is driven. Well, so are most celebs and most of this cast except Terrell, Kate and maybe Shawn. Ha, Geraldo has a conspiracy theory Trump intentionally put Ian and Lorenzo on his team to screw with him. It's no conspiracy theory, Geraldo. It's just ratings.

Brandi is gracious as usual and explains why Leeza is the greatest, which she is. Kevin did a great job too, I reluctantly have to concede. Kevin has developed a lisp between now and the last time we saw him. Odd.

I get bored with Geraldo and Leeza going on about how they won even though they have no problem with their opponents. I notice that Leeza's boobs look pretty natural for her age, I don't think she's had any work done. Then I feel weird staring at her boobs, lol. But it really catches your eye when a celeb is so real! Forgive my boob ogling.

The exec's thought it was a good idea to have Geraldo as the celebrity endorsement. They did? I thought that whole thing was strange. Ivanka is either really sick or trying to sound sultry. I'm not sure which. The executives had exactly the same issue I had with the commercial, wow. They said it was weird to have the children and adults separate at the park when the park is supposed to be about family! Right?

The exec's loved Leeza's voiceover and presentation. They loved Olivia Newton-John, surprisingly, though I think they're her demographic, so. They wanted more celebrity in the video? I would have thought relying too heavily on celebrity endorsements is not very creative. It's the easy way out. If I were doing this final task I wouldn't risk falling back on something that easy, I'd be afraid of being accused of not thinking outside the box. They also weren't exactly crazy about the uptight dad story either. I must not know anything because I thought her commercial was great. Oh well.

I almost forgot Kate was even here until I see a tiny portion of her body sitting next to Kenya, the one the closeup shot is on as we cut to commercial. Lol. Ego crushed! Leeza actually ended up raising a lot more than Geraldo, more than $300,000 or something. Wow, Geraldo barely tried or has exhausted his donors or something. If I were Leeza I would never have thought 300k was enough to beat him. Lucky her.

The other contestants come out to the live show. Haha, Brandi is a Real Housewives "sensation"! Lol, suck it, Kate. I just love when Brandi gets much better introductions or descriptions than Kate just because she's most comparable to Kate. No offense meant to Brandi.

Lorenzo is a god. That is all.

Yeah, let's revisit the phone-gate thing, bring it on. That was pretty wild. Lol, the audience is laughing throughout most of it. It was terribly funny as badly as I felt for Vivica. I loved her "low-down dirty bird" comment. That was great.

You're kidding, Kenya is still denying she ever stole the phone. I want to put her on trial Game of Thrones style with a panel of three judges who hate her and she's only allowed to ask one question the whole proceeding. That would be good justice for the shitty thing she did to Vivica.


"I did not take Vivica's phone, but I wish I had!!"

This is the one time I don't mind Kate's over the top smug faces she's making in the background. Kenya really is ridiculous and pretty much everyone at home is making similar faces. Trump believes Kenya's lies why?

Brandi looks just gorgeous tonight. She's got a bunch of hair extensions but they look good. Brandi says what anyone who knows how to play Clue would say, it has to be either Kenya or her makeup artist, as they were the only people with access to the library. Er, war room  Well, I'm sorry if that pisses Kenya off but it's true, there's not a lot of other suspects. It's not the boys, no man would tweet something so catty, they don't have it in them even if they wanted to.

Trump does a funny montage with Gilbert Gottfried. He totally is a love him or hate him guy, lol. He's hit and miss with me, but I did think his "mein fuhrer" comment to Trump was pretty funny even if it didn't much make sense. Much of what that man says doesn't quite make sense.

Gilbert says he gave up because he's going through menopause. Ha, that's sort of a clever tie in with Vivica, nice.

Geraldo and Leeza finally join the live show and take a seat at the table. Trump is surprised Leeza made it this far? Wtf? I think most people saw within about ten minutes of this show she would be in the final two, she was that good. I don't know what took Trump so long. You can tell Leeza thinks that's a ridiculous comment but since Leeza has the self-control of a jungle cat stalking her prey, she politely says she's happy to surprise him. 

They do a montage of how hard Geraldo is to work with, lol. Kate had made a rather helpful comment during this, that Geraldo was like a snowball growing so big until he's out of control. That's not a bad description of him. It's like if you don't rein him in right away when he's just a snowflake, he's quickly off to Never-Never Land again and you'll never bring him back.  I forgot the way Geraldo was all Brian Williams-y on this show claiming he was shot at, knifed and stuff. 



Lol, Jonas brother hated him. That was so funny, especially Jonas brother's five second rule that didn't have to do with dropping food on the floor but rather, apparently, when you're allowed to interrupt a conversation. Lol. Trump says maybe he shouldn't have fired Jonas brother. Well, let's not go that far, Trump.  

Haha, Brandi says she adores Geraldo because she never had to work with him, but she wants Leeza to win. Johnny and Jonas brother want Leeza to win too.

It's not rocket science why Leeza is a good manager and did well in this game. She explains she avoids the drama and stays focused. There's no special secret to it, but those two things are surprisingly very hard for many people.

Leeza's Care Connection, which is located in a Los Angeles hospital, is a lovely carved out space for caregiver support groups to meet. Some of the caregivers are filmed hanging out with Leeza and Leeza tells them she's going to be able to open another Care Connection in her hometown in South Carolina. I'm crying. She just hopes she's been as courageous as her mom and done her proud. You have, Leeza. You have.

Okay Geraldo, top that. Hehe.

Geraldo goes to some care center for those with autism and other developmentally disabled. He really can't say autistic. Gah, it's not artistic, it's autistic, Geraldo. No R. I guess it's kind of touching how proud Geraldo is of his story on Willowbrook back in the day. He finally admits it was four decades ago. Some of the residents are painting. All the paintings are really vibrant and awesome, I want one! This center seems very welcoming and peaceful, almost like a laid back community college. Very nice.

Geraldo blathers around and around for a long time about how this is the way we should treat the mentally ill. Alternative care is great I'm not against that, but it needs to be understood it won't work for everyone, and that some people need a more restrictive setting. I don't find it helpful to our national mental health crisis to act as if Geraldo here has found the simple solution. Some patients could sadly not function in that group art class, but for those who can, this place is great.

Oh great, Twitter questions! Haha, just kidding, this is super boring. Don't quit until you succeed (Or you could quit things you suck at and just do what you're good at, says Malcom Gladwell.) Hit targets. Vivica thinks it's fine she quit because the two finalists were the best.

Does anyone have any questions for Kate? Bueller? Bueller? No takers? Lol, she hasn't said a word this entire episode. It's like she's not even here.

Melissa Rivers comes out to a standing ovation. That's nice. Melissa has kind of weird gestures and body language, I've noticed. Even though she's very petite, she moves like one might if they were way too tall, sort of awkward and hunched. Melissa was an integral part of the greatest Apprentice shit show firing in their history and I don't think I will ever forget the image of her cursing and hobbling around in that boot "bitch-whore!," so I thank her for the laughs when it comes to that.

Finally a nice tribute to Joan with inspirational music and Joan just being Joan the legend that she is. Sinbad, a comedian who was pretty popular in the 90's, says she took the time to let him know she thought he was funny, and that it meant the world to him.

For all of Joan's reliance on jokes at the expense of others and her cutthroat work ethic, story after story demonstrates that it was all just part of her act, and that she loved and loved her fellow man, and then loved some more. She especially was supportive of people's aspirations whatever that was, she handed out praise freely when it was due, and she gave and gave to charity. AIDS charities held a special place in her heart, because the epidemic personally touched dear friends of hers many times. She will be missed.

Kenya, who should win? America, does anyone care what Kenya thinks? Didn't think so. Kenya, the expression is not "that speaks loudly." The expression is, "that speaks volumes." #Dolt.

Of course Kate wants Geraldo to win even though she admits she worked with Leeza equally. Leeza, recall, helped Kate WIN when Kate was PM and screwing everything up. But that sort of "debt" means nothing to Kate even though most normal well-socialized people would just say Leeza after what she did to save her, whether you really believe it or not.

Ironically, Kate appreciates that Geraldo called a spade a spade. Of course don't call Kate the garden tool that she is or she freaks out. Ironically, Kate probably doesn't want Leeza to win because it was obvious Leeza saw right through her and correctly wrote her off as dead weight from day one. If there is one thing Kate is aware of is when the jig is up on pulling the wool over someone else's eyes. She knows.

Only Kenya, Kate and Gilbert want Geraldo to win, hehe. Kate is too stubborn to just fly under the radar, not be an asshat, and go with the overwhelming majority who want the correct choice, Leeza.

Leeza is "high functioning" Geraldo says, and doesn't understand why the audience is laughing. People like him often don't understand why the laughter, hehe. Leeza's like uh, thanks for that. I think? "High functioning," lol.

What is Geraldo even talking about? He flutters around in circles, squares, and triangles until Trump finally cuts him off. Geez, no offense but I'd hate to be his kid. He's the type of dad who will lecture you for an hour about how when he was a kid, what he did, what he didn't do, what he should have done, what his dad was like, how times were different, how times were the same, blah-blah-blah, when all you really need to hear from him is "Honey, just don't forget your homework again, okay?"

Leeza won the final task, woo-hoo. That bodes well for the big win. Leeza thinks she should win because she had integrity and played a smart game, and has never been called back in the boardroom. Plus she has a shit ton of wins and very few losses. She once even saved Geraldo's ass. She saved Kate's too, and others, though that's not as relevant. I like when she speaks for the simple fact that I can understand what she's saying. I took that for granted how nice that is this season.

Trump confirms NBC will renew Apprentice. Happy happy joy joy!!!

Ivanka was impressed with Geraldo's fund-raising abilities, and Leeza's quiet grace and elegance. She likes both candidates. Trump Jr. liked them both too.

As for Trump he thinks Geraldo is smart (eh, that's debatable) and good at raising money. Leeza led with kindness. Trump is still trying to wrap his mind around that leadership style. You can tell he finds it perplexing. In the end though he picks who most people wanted, Leeza!!! Yeah!

Confetti everywhere. Some sound guy forgot to turn off the mics near the confetti machines and so all you hear the last 30 seconds is "shhhwoooooosh!!!!!!" as the confetti pours out. Hehe. Everybody is hugging and Brandi is so cutely excited for her BFF. Kate finally comes over and Leeza says "thanks for nothing, bitch." Haha, just kidding. I wish. Instead Leeza goes in for a polite hug but, oh shit! Kate totally burns her and just before the hug can happen points Leeza over to her hubby off to the side to go hug him. What the f just happened??? I think that was a hug burn! Cold!!!

Kate said one thing this whole episode, not counting the one thing she said in an old clip. Haha, karma, doofus.

Well, it's been a grand time everyone. These long episodes were at times challenging to recap but always fun. I love television, I'm not ashamed to say that. I love good television, of which there is a lot of good T.V. right now, but I also love guilty pleasure T.V. like this, especially when it's done well, as this is.

Some shows are just shows, but Apprentice sort of means a bit more to me than most shows, because I remember when it was a gigantic hit when I was a first year in law school, back in the Omarosa days, and I was studying all the time or in class all the time or stressed out all the time and had very little time for T.V. One of my professors, kind as she was, had our whole class over to her house for dinner and to watch The Apprentice. Mind you this is like 80 people in a class, because most law school classes are about 80 people. We all showed up. She had a pretty big house and backyard and we all managed to fit pretty comfortably actually. I realize now she wasn't just doing it to be hospitable to her new crop of students, but also she did it to give us an evening to relax without fear somebody else in the class was home studying and we were falling behind somebody else by allowing ourselves one night off. If you haven't heard, your first year of law school plays all kinds of paranoid head games like that with you; oh it's fun.

Anyway, we really had a great time watching Apprentice together, laughing, joking and discussing it. It was a few hours out of our busy lives where we could just relax a little bit and not worry so much about grades and exams and what the future held. Television brings people together sometimes, as cheesy as that sounds. It can relax you and make you more open with people who maybe you don't know that well, or are the competition, or what have you. Watching this show that night with my classmates calmed me a bit, gave me perspective, and made me realize it's important to allow yourself to have "guilty pleasure" moments like this no matter how crazy life gets. Thank you, Trump, and I hope you do get another season. It's well deserved.

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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes, I took Fade2Black's comment to mean that it's more normal for a 14 year old to cry, but not as normal for Kate to do the same.

I don't see a problem with the young dancer getting upset, but she's only 14. A 14 year old has hormones out of whack and isn't old enough or mature enough to process their emotions as well as an adult can. Things of this nature are much more devastating when you are 14 than when you are 44, because you don't have perspective yet or maturity. The world seems much more unfair when you are 14 as well.

For the only two other dancers to cry to be Sherry and Kate, IMO both very immature emotionally stunted older women, it speaks volumes about their true emotional ages. I.e., 14.

Tucker's Mom said...

Jillygee said... 199
I'm glad Ali Wentworth turned down that dumb show. She is really funny and talented. She'd be wasting her time.
April 28, 2015 at 4:51 PM
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Me too! I think Ali is brilliant. I love her dry sense of humor.
Loved her in Head Case, which was a Larry David-type sit com.

Tucker's Mom said...

I didn't hang in there until the end to see Willow eliminated. It didn't surprise me because I don't think she had the base that would being proactive to vote for her, despite her doing one hell of a job.
I enjoyed her performances so, so much more that I'd anticipated.
I think her crying has everything to do with not having life experience and perspective, and not a lack of maturity.
Her maturity level is just fine, and I don't see her as someone whose development will get arrested like someone whose likeness is on the header of this blog ;-)

May said...

Hope y'all are watching or recording DWTS 10 anniversary special. No.spoilers but they do an "I QUIT" segment!

Tucker's Mom said...

Talia Quiroga Crain ‏@TaliaQuirogaCr 1m1 minute ago
@Kateplusmy8 girl I just saw you on the dwts anniversary 😎
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Huh?

Rainbirdie said...

Sandie @SandieBellz
Kris Jenner has no comment. Pretty much says all you need to know about that POS. #BruceJenner
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Hold up there Uggs. You tweet to & claim to be "buddies" with a woman who abused her babies & documented it in a "mommy journal". I suggest you rethink who should get a POS label.

AuntieAnn said...

Millicent said... 179

Tucker's Mom - you wrote that about Ms. Uggs and her celebrity obsessions. I don't think it was so offensive

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I didn't find TM's comment remotely as offensive as I do Uggs, who used the death of two little girls to flimflam her way into getting up close and cozy with Kate. That is what I find vulgar.

Rainbirdie said...

Kate is a twit said... 175
Found another description of the Mother's Day episode. Apparently, my cable guide left out a couple of words at the end.

"The children cook up a secret Mother's Day breakfast for Kate; meanwhile, Kate looks back on her journey through motherhood."
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I misread journey as 'journal'. For a minute I thought we might be treated to a personal reading from her mommy journal. In any case, I vote that she looks back on this part of her journey through motherhood: “I grabbed him and spanked him as hard as I could and thought I may seriously injure him, so I sent him to his crib… and whipped him into it very hard...”

FYI said...

Tucker's Mom said... 5
Talia Quiroga Crain ‏@TaliaQuirogaCr 1m1 minute ago
@Kateplusmy8 girl I just saw you on the dwts anniversary 😎
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Huh?
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She wasn't there. They just showed two brief clips of her. One was when Tony quit on her, and the other was after she finished her Paparazzi dance, and Carrie Ann told her "that was hard to watch".


Tucker's Mom said...

May said... 4
Hope y'all are watching or recording DWTS 10 anniversary special. No.spoilers but they do an "I QUIT" segment!
April 28, 2015 at 5:22 PM
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Quite the legacy...

Tucker's Mom said...

She wasn't there. They just showed two brief clips of her. One was when Tony quit on her, and the other was after she finished her Paparazzi dance, and Carrie Ann told her "that was hard to watch".

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Ouch!

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 43m43 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 HaHa DWTS Alumni..Just saw a few clips of you on #DWTS 10th Anniversary Special tonight! There will NEVAH EVAH be another Kate!

Thank goodness for that! I'm not sure if I've ever seen any woman so in love with a woman that she's never met.

Yes, Milo, Kate was shown in two clips, and not in a good way, either. One was her argument with Tony when he walked out and said he quit; the other was Carrie Ann telling her it that the dance was difficult to watch. There was nothing positive at all shown in those very brief clips.

Jeanne said...

Making a surprise breakfast for their mom shouldn't be too hard. I have a suspicion the kids have been making their own breakfasts and many other meals for a while now. They're probably better cooks than Kate by now and don't make disgusting slop. I am also sure that every day is mother's day in that house. My mother took care of us, acted like an adult. So did my father. Those kids are so parentified and probably have to coddle her all the time.

Jeanne said...

The DWTS special was fun. Lots of stars came back to dance. Others were shown in the audience. I was a little disturbed by the Sherri Shepherd clip. She talked about the birth of her son being the only thing more special than DWTS. It's hard to hear that knowing the mess with her second child. But Sherri appears to be a narcissist too (or something else lacking empathy). But even she kept from turning the DWTS staff into enemies and they asked her to be in a clip. Kate must have really pissed off the whole lot of them.

Tucker's Mom said...

I think Kate's "Paparazzi" dance was difficult to watch because it was so excessively narcissistic. The week's dances were supposed to be about important moments or events in their lives, that moved them and changed them.
Kate chose the theme of being hounded by paps because she's so famous. Er, was so famous, if by famous, you mean being a tabloid staple.
Over so many seasons of watching this theme on DWTS, I've always been moved, and even surprised by some contestants that I never thought had depth.
And then came Kate, who chose to tell the story of...Kate. Poor Kate. Poor, poor put upon Kate, hounded by those horrible P-people.
Yes, Carrie Ann, it was hard for all of us to watch.
The only thing good that came out of that self-absorbed mess was Jimmy Fallon's schtick.

Sue_Buddy said...

BV is looking pretty stupid. He's posted documents on his website showing 3 small claims court cases a non-fan was involved, one in '89, one in '91 and one in '01. In one the non-fan appears to have won, in another she obtained a restraining order and no document for the third. BV is calling the non-fan a "vexatious litigant" and one of his slobbering minions is saying the non-fan "must be so desperate for $$$." Obviously she didn't examine the documents to see the cases are between 14 and 26 years ago. Only an idiot can compare small claims cases to BV's two no-sense lawsuits which are costing him a huge amount in legal fees and don't look winnable for him.

fade2black said...

Admin...1...Yes, I took Fade2Black's comment to mean that it's more normal for a 14 year old to cry, but not as normal for Kate to do the same.
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Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to say, although not very well, apparently. Sorry for the confusion.

FYI said...

Ha ha--the non-fans were discussing Kate's non-appearance on DWTS the stars. One of them tweeted:

BlueLivesMatter ‏@hockeymom9598 · 12m12 minutes ago
@WhoisPmk @nochanceofrain @ConcernedChick @MsVivicaFox @Kateplusmy8 oops guess Kate's invite got lost in the mail again,lol.. #DWTS10

And Vivica Fox retweeted it!!

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Tucker's Mom - you wrote that about Ms. Uggs and her celebrity obsessions. I don't think it was so offensive

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I didn't find TM's comment remotely as offensive as I do Uggs, who used the death of two little girls to flimflam her way into getting up close and cozy with Kate. That is what I find vulgar.

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Usually the F-bomb bothers me, but in that case, TM made a point and was right on with what Uggs most likely needs! Uggs did indeed use that fund raiser as an inroad to meet a celebrity. We didn't know it at the time, but it seems that she orchestrated that event to put one more feather in her bragging cap that she's a buddy with a "celebrity." Then she had the audacity to beg for invitations to swim in Kate's pool.

I think, though, that there was an ulterior motive in mind. She probably figured that since Kate is a celebrity, that if she got in good with Kate, then Kate could hook her up with some of these stars/comedians for whom she has the hots. Kate didn't take the bait. Good for her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I didn't mean that this 14 year old is immature for her age. It sounds like she is very mature for her age just for handling the pressures of the competition and work required and being in the public eye.

I just mean she's 14 and is as mature as 14 allows. How your process emotions at 14 is not as mature as how you process them as an adult. That's just normal development.

There's no problem with a 14 year old being 14. It is only a problem when a grown woman acts 14.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

BV is looking pretty stupid. He's posted documents on his website showing 3 small claims court cases a non-fan was involved, one in '89, one in '91 and one in '01.

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Wow, somebody twisted and pulled and hurt somebody's neck in 1989?!

What a smoking gun!!!

Actually I mean, what an idiot.

Sue_Buddy said...

Wow, somebody twisted and pulled and hurt somebody's neck in 1989?!

What a smoking gun!!!

Actually I mean, what an idiot.
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I know! I mean BV going to ROL boasting about the FOUR lawsuits he was bringing is such small potatoes compared to that!!

redbird said...

AuntieAnn said...

I didn't find TM's comment remotely as offensive as I do Uggs, who used the death of two little girls to flimflam her way into getting up close and cozy with Kate. That is what I find vulgar.

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ITA, AuntieAnn!! But, even more, and I have posted and posted about how TFW came because she knew she was going to get a nice expensive pair of UGG sandals and TFM would be there also. But the SAD PART is there is TFW sitting on her backside at the greeting table, posing with the sandals, with a big smile on her face and the pictures of those 2 precious little girls, INCHES away from her, who had been killed in the car accident! I will NEVER give her or UGGS a pass on this!

They used each other in this instance.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 21
BV is looking pretty stupid. He's posted documents on his website showing 3 small claims court cases a non-fan was involved, one in '89, one in '91 and one in '01.

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Wow, somebody twisted and pulled and hurt somebody's neck in 1989?!

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HAHAHAHA #Rainman

localyocul said...

Kate is a twit said... 18
Ha ha--the non-fans were discussing Kate's non-appearance on DWTS the stars. One of them tweeted:

BlueLivesMatter ‏@hockeymom9598 · 12m12 minutes ago
@WhoisPmk @nochanceofrain @ConcernedChick @MsVivicaFox @Kateplusmy8 oops guess Kate's invite got lost in the mail again,lol.. #DWTS10

And Vivica Fox retweeted it!!

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HAHAHAHAHA

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Actually I mean, what an idiot.

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I think that's being kind. The Goody person is still convinced that you and Hoffman had some kind of conspiracy for money going on when Robert published the book. She tweeted about it tonight. One of these days she (and other sheeple) will tweet something libelous about the wrong person and all hell will break loose. BV thought he could get away with harassment and whatever else he was doing, and it really backfired on him. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson by now.

By the way, has anyone been reading about the riots in Baltimore? That's some really serious stuff going on. I'm with friends right now outside the city, and from what I hear, so many have been really afraid...actually scared for their lives. In fact, my friend's school canceled her daughter's field trip to Inner Harbor. I was watching the video of the mother smacking her son when she caught him with looting. One of our friends is in law enforcement in the city (his first year) and he said he's seriously considering taking a job elsewhere!

localyocul said...

Sleepless In Seattle said... 12
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 43m43 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 HaHa DWTS Alumni..Just saw a few clips of you on #DWTS 10th Anniversary Special tonight! There will NEVAH EVAH be another Kate!

Thank goodness for that! I'm not sure if I've ever seen any woman so in love with a woman that she's never met.

Yes, Milo, Kate was shown in two clips, and not in a good way, either. One was her argument with Tony when he walked out and said he quit; the other was Carrie Ann telling her it that the dance was difficult to watch. There was nothing positive at all shown in those very brief clips.

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Tee hee I miss so much working two jobs

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Has Kravitz explained Kate's absence at DWTS? Let me guess. Kate declined the invitation because everything she does is for the kids. They need her at home. #bestmominthewholewideworld #sacrificeseverything4herkids #sheisthewindbeneathmywings

Jumping In said...

Tucker's Mom.......I had a good laugh reading your description of Kate's "secret" Mother's Day breakfast. I agree, those kids were given the script, the format, and it was played out long before Mother's Day. Nothing in their lives is authentic, and how confusing it must be for them to fake the breakfast on the fake Mother's Day all while Mommie Dearest is urging them to just do it! Sad.

Also, to Tucker's Mom, my favourites show is also Nurse Jackie.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

ITA, AuntieAnn!! But, even more, and I have posted and posted about how TFW came because she knew she was going to get a nice expensive pair of UGG sandals and TFM would be there also.

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How do you know that Kate knew that she would be getting a pair of sandals?

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Actually I mean, what an idiot.
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I know! I mean BV going to ROL boasting about the FOUR lawsuits he was bringing is such small potatoes compared to that!!

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In all seriousness, is he nuts?

Mel said...

TFW thinks Miranda whoever is following her because she is the great Kate Gosselin, not realizing that Miranda is following her the same as any of the other random thousands of people she follows that she has no idea who they are.

This is as bogus as when she thought she should pair with Michelle Obama re: children's health.

Rhymes with Witch said...

think, though, that there was an ulterior motive in mind. She probably figured that since Kate is a celebrity, that if she got in good with Kate, then Kate could hook her up with some of these stars/comedians for whom she has the hots. Kate didn't take the bait. Good for her. 19

I'm all for giving credit where it's due, even to Katie. But her celeb connections are all in her and her fans' minds. I've never seen anyone (else) burn so many bridges.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

As I have seen, certain mental illnesses manifest in someone churning around and around on something nonsensical. The point makes perfect sense to them, but no sense to anybody else. When you try to explain the fruitlessness of their convoluted point, they think you're the crazy one. This also often goes hand in hand with out of this world conspiracy theories, as well as the belief anyone who may not agree with them, as most won't, must be in on the conspiracy. The conspiracy theory provides them a perfect explanation for what is wrong with their world, but sounds far-fetched to anyone else rational.

Regarding vexatious litigant, it really has less to do with the number of lawsuits one brings and more to do with the merits of them and whether they are just being used as a tool to wear someone down as opposed to having real validity. I think someone can be a vexatious litigant with just ONE lawsuit depending on what that lawsuit was. Kate's ill-advised suit was a good example, as it was pretty apparent it was filed just to get Jon to crumble up into a heap, and not for any other real reason. As proof, when Jon fought it they ran away like a little girl. The point was never to engage in a proper lawsuit with one side and the other going back and forth by the rules of law. The point was to be a vexatious litigant.

Conversely, someone could bring about 100 lawsuits, but as long as they have merit, there's nothing vexatious about it.

And on the subject of the law, the Supreme Court arguments today which I heard on C-SPAN were really great. The bench really kept pushing the attorney about how in the world same sex marriages would have any role in diminishing opposite sex marriages. It seemed none of them could be convinced it has a thing to do with the other. I tend to think the point is a good one.

Be safe in Baltimore, it breaks my heart a beautiful city I love and have visited many times is being torn apart by thugs and criminals.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't know if I'm an old fuddy-duddy or what, but after reading the tweets from Leigh and Barb who were laughing hysterically over Miranda's performance, I wanted to see what I was missing. I watched. I didn't fall down rolling in hysterics. I can sort of see that a teen would like the humor, but I'm at a loss exactly why an adult would be a fan. Am I missing something?

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I bet I would have loved her if I were 15.

It's just ridiculous for Kate to pretend to be one of the girls on this one, and I find her fans just as disingenuous. Please, they don't "get" this person any more than any 20, 30, 40, 50, or more woman would. We're too old to appreciate it. It's just life. It's insecurity. Kate doesn't have to love what her twins do for her twins to love her, no more than her sheeple have to love all the things Kate does. Grow up.

Sue_Buddy said...

Yeah, that and I think he's Perpetually Pissed off and also suffers from Paranoia.

I know there are those who call him Pee Boy for another reason. I think I'll call him "P" Boy.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate doesn't have to love what her twins do for her twins to love her, no more than her sheeple have to love all the things Kate does. Grow up.
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My mother didn't suffer fools. She wasn't about to pee herself over the rock stars I adored at the twin's age, just to pretend to "get it".
That wasn't her generation.
I get what Colleen is doing with her Miranda character, and teens love it because they're still silly, prone to exaggeration and are generally followers at that age.
Oh, wait, a light bulb just went off...

P.J. said...

Sue_Buddy said... 36
Yeah, that and I think he's Perpetually Pissed off and also suffers from Paranoia.

I know there are those who call him Pee Boy for another reason. I think I'll call him "P" Boy.

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I used to be of the opinion that people here should refer to him as BV so as not to generate any publicity for him.

Now, he's so far gone, I believe we should be referring to him by his full name of James McGibney so that it shows up on all google searches and brings people here to expose more of the truth about his activities. And using the full word Bullyville will help too.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Did Milo ever think that Kate got top billing in that Philly article because Kate lives in PA.

Also, I remember when Kate was planning her cruise Milo tweeted to her that she was afraid to go because she thought Kate would be disapproving of her looks. So that is why I think Milo hasn't gone to any of Kate's public events.

TLC stinks said...

I don't get this McGibney guy at all. I find the tweets on his various sites very nasty and vulgar. I have to wonder if he is doing the tweeting or some creepy 20 something's. He is a huge bully and extortionist and I hope he eventually gets what he deserves. I bet TLC could not have been thrilled with her alignment with him but I strongly suspect some money was involved on her end. This guy probably never heard of her. It was mutual publicity and she could eliminate critics.

TLC stinks said...

I still think this Miranda person has a hired assistant to monitor and respond to tweets. Kate's not special.

Vanessa said...

Interesting article on my fb newsfeed if you're interested. Read to the end:)


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beautiful-minds/201103/do-narcissists-know-they-are-narcissists?utm_source=FacebookPost&utm_medium=FBPost&utm_campaign=FBPost

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 34
As I have seen, certain mental illnesses manifest in someone churning around and around on something nonsensical. The point makes perfect sense to them, but no sense to anybody else.

Sue_Buddy said... 36
Yeah, that and I think he's Perpetually Pissed off and also suffers from Paranoia.
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I can't imagine going through life tilting at windmills.

Tucker's Mom said...

And on the subject of the law, the Supreme Court arguments today which I heard on C-SPAN were really great. The bench really kept pushing the attorney about how in the world same sex marriages would have any role in diminishing opposite sex marriages. It seemed none of them could be convinced it has a thing to do with the other. I tend to think the point is a good one.
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Roberts, as always, has been interesting.

Tucker's Mom said...

Regarding vexatious litigant, it really has less to do with the number of lawsuits one brings and more to do with the merits of them and whether they are just being used as a tool to wear someone down as opposed to having real validity.
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Is it correct to say that a vexatious litigant would file a slapp suit?

Tucker's Mom said...

This is as bogus as when she thought she should pair with Michelle Obama re: children's health.
April 28, 2015 at 9:21 PM
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Kate would have been vetted out in a nanosecond.

Tucker's Mom said...

Fleecing The Sheeple said... 30
ITA, AuntieAnn!! But, even more, and I have posted and posted about how TFW came because she knew she was going to get a nice expensive pair of UGG sandals and TFM would be there also.

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How do you know that Kate knew that she would be getting a pair of sandals?
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I don't believe Kate knew that she was getting Ugg sandals, but she and her trained monkey should have this down pat by now.
If you do an appearance for charity, you specify that you are doing this for free and no compensation will be accepted.
No gifts.
Kate knows damn well that lickspittles like Uggs feel the need to shower her with gifts, and it would have been smart to tell her that she is not to give gifts, and she's to tell anyone coming that no gifts are accepted.

"I'm sorry, I can't accept any gifts because I'm here to raise money for lost lives. I'd appreciate if you donated them to your favorite charity".

Tucker's Mom said...

Also, to Tucker's Mom, my favourites show is also Nurse Jackie.

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Thanks, Jumping In. I think the writer of NJ are doing a great job of pushing all of the characters and viewers to the edge.
This season is tense and I have a feeling Jackie's going to go down in flames.
Or, maybe one of those scary statues will come to life a la "Night at the Museum" and perform a healing miracle ;-)

TLC stinks said...


Also, I remember when Kate was planning her cruise Milo tweeted to her that she was afraid to go because she thought Kate would be disapproving of her looks. So that is why I think Milo hasn't gone to any of Kate's public events.

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This explains a lot to me. That's why I think Milo is obese and covets Kate's body, thus the inappropriate comments. I think Milo is basically housebound and if she works, it's from home doing computer work. I don't think Milo is a man, just a lonely woman who wishes she looked like Kate who she perceives as sexy and pretty. I don't think Milo has any friends.I think it is a girl crush type of thing.

Tucker's Mom said...

OT- I put out a hummingbird feeder yesterday and spotted them feeding about an hour later.
I adore having them around for the summer ;-)

Sue_Buddy said...

Tucker's Mom said... 50
OT- I put out a hummingbird feeder yesterday and spotted them feeding about an hour later.
I adore having them around for the summer ;-)
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Thanks for reminding me! I thought about it yesterday, then it went right out of my head. The only reason I hesitate sometimes is, the bats come out in the evening and suck the feeder dry sometimes. Sometimes not. Maybe they won't this year.

localyocul said...

TLC stinks said... 41
I still think this Miranda person has a hired assistant to monitor and respond to tweets. Kate's not special.

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She also follows thousands of people while TFW follows a few hundred. She probably follows anyone who asks.

Formerly Duped said...

Tucker, I'm putting out my bird feeders today, too. We got a lot of variety of birds and I love to see them and hear their song. But I hate when squirrels get their food! We even have a squirrel feeder but they seem to prefer the birds' and one rocks the feeder while others pillage!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I thought everyone who meets TFW loves her? Sure didn't seem
that way on DWTS last night. And for Gladys to bring up the show
when they focused on TFW in a negative way really shows the
depths of her delusion.

NJGal51 said...

Another Nurse Jackie fan here. I want the happy ending where she gets clean and rides off into the sunset with Eddie. I don't think that's going to happen though.

I also think MirandaSings/Colleen has some type of assistant to tweet for her. Judging by her timeline she's on the road all the time jumping from city to city all over the world. TFW's tweet was clever which is why she got a response otherwise it's probably "Kate who?".

TLC stinks said...

Kate does not realize that she is not that well known in the scheme of who the real celebrities are; but she believes she is so it's kind of funny. She'll have to call in to her TLC contact to swing some free tickets. I don't know why she believes she deserves free stuff all the time. She's rich now. It's so slimey to grift when one has the means to quietly pay for things.

redbird said...

Way to go @MsVivica! hahaha

That Baltimore mayor is crazy! She said, let them vent! She barely said it with a straight face. Talking about the rioters. I was wondering the night of the FG funeral, where were the police? The police and the National Guard should of been ready when the funeral was over and I think a lot of this would of been prevented, JMHO!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I thought the mayor kept calling them thugs. Now she wants them to vent?

I don't understand what venting accomplishes. I doubt most of those people even understand what they're fighting about. They just want an excuse to plunder and burn things and destroy a city with incredible historical significance. It accomplishes nothing. Absolutely nothing. Actually, it accomplishes something. It takes frustration over a tiny, tiny percentage of people, and lashes it out on the majority, punishing the majority who are ON THEIR SIDE. Destroying their city, their businesses and in some cases their homes and making everyone afraid. And, now, they're causing people to rethink whether it was wise to be on their side, including our very president who has now finally said they are thugs and criminals. God, freaking idiots. Thank you, finally. So actually, you're hurting your cause.

Baltimore played an integral part in the Civil War. It was a main thorough way to the underground railroad and absolutely crawling with abolitionists willing to lay down their lives for the cause. My novel is largely set in Baltimore and I visited it many times and did a lot of research on the city, and was overwhelmed with its role in the cause. I'm sure they don't know about any of that history. This is so disrespectful to its long history of stepping up and doing the right thing, being on the right side of the cause.

Well, I guess I'm venting! I just think all this over the past year or so would make Martin Luther King roll over in his grave. This is not progress towards civil rights. This is regression and proves the point of the detractors, so good job. Shaking my head.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Oh I love that Vivica retweeted that. Lol.

Once again, Kate is put into a group of people, and comes out with no friends except a couple barely 21 year old children, and about 6 enemies. What did we have to do with that outcome? Nothing, again.

Mel said...

Vanessa...awesome link!

Sound familiar?
... Another possibility is that narcissists may think critics are "jealous of them." They may take in negative feedback but then think to themselves: those haters are just jealous!

And here's why it seems to be soooo important her that she be seen as a hard worker....(bolding is mine)

The results of this study as well as prior studies (link is external) suggest that narcissists do care more about being perceived as superior on agentic traits (industriousness, assertiveness, dominance) than on communal traits (agreeableness and honesty). Narcissists don't seem to care whether they are perceived as good people;

And this certainly explains her fans, as in people who don't know her in person...
The researchers also found that new acquaintances viewed narcissists more positively than well-acquainted others. Those who just met the narcissists did tend to have a favorable impression of those individuals, whereas those who knew them much longer tended to have a much more negative impression.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Also, I remember when Kate was planning her cruise Milo tweeted to her that she was afraid to go because she thought Kate would be disapproving of her looks. So that is why I think Milo hasn't gone to any of Kate's public events.

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She tweeted some time ago that Kate has seen a picture of her and knows what she looks like. With Milo, though, who knows? Why would she send Kate a photo of herself? That's just really odd.

I don't remember her tweeting that she was afraid to go because of her looks and Kate would disprove or be disappointed in some way. If she did, maybe she was kidding, implying that Kate is beautiful and she just doesn't measure up. I do recall her asking how Kate "envisions" her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


The researchers also found that new acquaintances viewed narcissists more positively than well-acquainted others. Those who just met the narcissists did tend to have a favorable impression of those individuals, whereas those who knew them much longer tended to have a much more negative impression.

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Wow, for me this is spot on.

And actually, it would be frustrating, because if anyone who didn't REALLY know the narcissist would see someone being critical, frustrated, or otherwise, they would immediately leap to their defense.

It's like, dude, you've met them three times. You have absolutely no idea. And they're an actor for goodness sake. They're good at keeping it together. For short periods anyway. Until you've actually been in that house on a regular basis you don't know what you're talking about. Having dinner with a narcissist and being impressed by how personable they are has no bearing on how they behave on a day to day basis with their children, their staff, their spouse, and otherwise.

Mel said...

Interesting about TFW's experiences on CA and DWTS. And even CWS.

Her co-horts on any of those shows had no reason to think anything about her going into the show, one way or the other.

If anything, they probably tended towards the positive...poor, over-worked mom of 8. They vaguely knew of her as that woman with all the kids. Probably didn't even know her name, particularly.

Then they experience working with her for a month or two (well, they worked, and she pretended to be busy doing...something), and come away so very not impressed. Except for perhaps a few of the very young impressionable people. And even they seemed not to be quite so enthralled by the end.

I think the young Olympians on CA and Evan Lysacek on DWTS were taken with her at first, tumbled to her later, and were too inexperienced to know how to then get away from her after they'd been nice to her at first.

They were too polite to tell her to get away from them, and too inexperienced to know how to discreetly extract themselves from her clutches. They didn't know how to get rid of this weird older woman who had glommed onto them.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Nothing in their lives is authentic, and how confusing it must be for them to fake the breakfast on the fake Mother's Day all while Mommie Dearest is urging them to just do it! Sad.

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I wonder if that is what is being told to them. They are old enough now to know it wasn't Mother's Day, and it could be that TLC isn't pretending that it's the actual day itself. It's a celebration airing in May because that is when the holiday occurs, but it's more of a mother's day theme in that Kate is the world's best known mother (according to Milo) and TLC wants to show her as the quintessential mother, doing what mother's do. In other words, it's a "generic" Mother's Day celebration that isn't claiming it was filmed on the actual day.

Does that make sense? Of course, I could be wrong but I will not watch to find out. Admin, are you planning a recap?

redbird said...

Fleecing the Sheeple said...30

How do you know that Kate knew that she would be getting a pair of sandals?

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I think she did, because how would Ms. Uggs know her shoe size?

Mel said...

Admin ...#62

Yes, exactly. My spouse can charm the socks off anyone. They see this lovely, caring, considerate, charming person.

No one understands that the man they see is not the man I live with. No comprehension of what my life is like.

So often I'm tempted to secretly video one of his tirades. Show it to them. Let's see what they think of that charming man now. They'd be horrified.

Ex Nurse said...

My soon to be ex has been diagnosed as NPD. Here is a conversation I had with him yesterday, about some repairs to slate tiles that have repeatedly popped off outside steps:

Me: So what is the adhesive that you used last year? It all has to come off--is it roof tar?

Him: (Sputtering) No! it is not roof tar! I'm not an idiot-- I consulted many experts.

Me: So what was it--the contractor needs to know.

Him: It is an adhesive.

Me: What kind of adhesive?

Him: it was an adhesive used in the roofing industry.

Me: You mean tar?

Him: (in a frustrated and forceful tone) Alright--you win! It is roofing tar. So, I guess I am an asshole!

Notice that he first accuses me of calling him an idiot and then defends himself against this false accusation. After casting himself as the heroically wronged victim, he uses vague references and denial--classic gaslighting, It isn't until he has trapped himself with his own stupid, pointless lies that he admits the truth. And, then, to top it off, I am a complete haranguing bitch intent on destroying him. (Okay, this part might have some truth to it).

Wouldn't it have been easier to have this conversation?

Me: So what is the adhesive that you used last year? It all has to come off--is it roof tar?

Him: Yes.

Me: Okay, thanks--I will let the contractor know.


Mel said...

Brenda Schuettler ‏@sweetbren66 20 Apr 2013

@Kateplusmy8 lol right :) email me please to fine tune a few things and the Media wants to hear from you also :) thanks again #LoveZumba #K8


Fine tune a few things....like her shoe size?

Tucker's Mom said...

Sue_Buddy said... 51
Tucker's Mom said... 50
OT- I put out a hummingbird feeder yesterday and spotted them feeding about an hour later.
I adore having them around for the summer ;-)
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Thanks for reminding me! I thought about it yesterday, then it went right out of my head. The only reason I hesitate sometimes is, the bats come out in the evening and suck the feeder dry sometimes. Sometimes not. Maybe they won't this year.******
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Yikes! We just get ants ;-(

Tucker's Mom said...

Formerly Duped said... 53
Tucker, I'm putting out my bird feeders today, too. We got a lot of variety of birds and I love to see them and hear their song. But I hate when squirrels get their food! We even have a squirrel feeder but they seem to prefer the birds' and one rocks the feeder while others pillage!
April 29, 2015 at 6:40 AM
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I have a love/hate relationship with squirrels. I think they're "adorbs", but damn, they're piggies and destructive.
I have ONE window feeder that the squirrels can't get to (second floor). It's on my bedroom window, and is so fun and relaxing.
Well, except cleaning it!

Tucker's Mom said...

NJGal51 said... 55
Another Nurse Jackie fan here. I want the happy ending where she gets clean and rides off into the sunset with Eddie. I don't think that's going to happen though.
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I think they will Thelma and Louise it on Eddie's motorcycle, and Free Willy off the Tappan Zee ;-)

Tucker's Mom said...

Baltimore played an integral part in the Civil War. It was a main thorough way to the underground railroad and absolutely crawling with abolitionists willing to lay down their lives for the cause. My novel is largely set in Baltimore and I visited it many times and did a lot of research on the city, and was overwhelmed with its role in the cause. I'm sure they don't know about any of that history. This is so disrespectful to its long history of stepping up and doing the right thing, being on the right side of the cause.

Well, I guess I'm venting! I just think all this over the past year or so would make Martin Luther King roll over in his grave. This is not progress towards civil rights. This is regression and proves the point of the detractors, so good job. Shaking my head.
April 29, 2015 at 7:43 AM
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My sense is that the majority of generations-long citizens and newer residents alike are invested in Charm City, with all of it's history, warts and promise.
This seems different than Ferguson. I don't recall seeing so many religious and community leader coming to the front lines to defuse tensions and speak to protect and calm.
I don't recall seeing the men stand shoulder to shoulder and say, "not my house, my neighborhood, my business, my city".
I hope and pray that the rioting has peaked and that the city can start healing and rebuilding now, not after one more day of destruction.
Also, I feel as though I'm really hearing more people talk about their experiences, feeling, wishes, challenges and hopes. I'm hearing their personal stories in a way that I didn't with Ferguson.
Maybe the media coverage is difference, or maybe the constituents are, but I am getting it more with the words of many, versus the violence and destruction of a (relative)few.

Gigi Be said...

She'll have to call in to her TLC contact to swing some free tickets. I don't know why she believes she deserves free stuff all the time. She's rich now. It's so slimey to grift when one has the means to quietly pay for things

Kate has been spoiled rotten when it comes to getting free stuff from TLC and in the early years she was given free stuff from people who wanted to help her and her family. Now that she is rich she wants to keep the gravy train going. Why pay for something out of your own pocket if she can get it for free?? That's why I don't get it. She has this entitled attitude and it's gotten worse. She wants to stay rich and get free stuff because she feels that she's special and she DESERVeS it!!
What I don't get is why these idiot companies, tv execs, and average Joes like Ms Uggs don't just say NO MORE!!

Tucker's Mom said...

The results of this study as well as prior studies (link is external) suggest that narcissists do care more about being perceived as superior on agentic traits (industriousness, assertiveness, dominance) than on communal traits (agreeableness and honesty). Narcissists don't seem to care whether they are perceived as good people;

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Kate seems to take exceptional pride in her "industriousness", aka, "masterminding", I think because she truly believes no one else could possibly do it, so she MUST.

Tucker's Mom said...

Those who just met the narcissists did tend to have a favorable impression of those individuals, whereas those who knew them much longer tended to have a much more negative impression.
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Haven't we all been hoodwinked like this!

Tucker's Mom said...

In other words, it's a "generic" Mother's Day celebration that isn't claiming it was filmed on the actual day.

Does that make sense? Of course, I could be wrong but I will not watch to find out. Admin, are you planning a recap?
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Yep. God, I hope no one could dupe any of the kids into believing a holiday was occurring on a different date. So I agree that the theme of this episode what "Mommy".
Whether the kids knew it would be spun into a Mother's Day episode, I don't know.

Tucker's Mom said...

Mel said... 66
Admin ...#62

Yes, exactly. My spouse can charm the socks off anyone. They see this lovely, caring, considerate, charming person.

No one understands that the man they see is not the man I live with. No comprehension of what my life is like.

So often I'm tempted to secretly video one of his tirades. Show it to them. Let's see what they think of that charming man now. They'd be horrified.
April 29, 2015 at 8:41 AM
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First, I'm so sorry because I've been there, gurlfriend ;-)
The facade does crack, and people will see. Maybe not now, or next week, but sometime.
My ex was loved by all-gregarious, charming, GENEROUS, witty, yada yada. The worst thing I heard when we were finally divorcing was my own brother telling me what a shame it was because he really liked the guy.
Ugh. Just. Ugh.

Sue_Buddy said...

Tucker's Mom said... 69
Yikes! We just get ants ;-(
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One evening I was sitting outside just after dusk and I felt a swishing around my head a couple of times. I looked over at the h/b feeder and there was a bat! Creeped me out.

Re ants, get a Stokes Select Hanging Ant Moat I have one and have absolutesly no ants at my feeder now.

Tucker's Mom said...

Ex Nurse said... 67
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Wowwie!

With narcs, you can easily get beat down, and quick. I remember thinking to myself, "What's going to piss him off today? Oh, right. Breathing".

TLC stinks said...

Maybe they will explain it as a pre-Mother's Day breakfast because mommy will be out of town or that they will be at Jon's? And yes, she will explain on the couch interview that the kids decided yada yada. We all know it is scripted but there are those poor suckers who watch who believe the camera and sound guys just show up and film.

P.J. said...

Speaking of Baltimore and the mess going on there, the Orioles are playing the White Sox today and there will be no fans. The game is closed to the public. A first for MLB.

angie said...

Maybe they will explain it as a pre-Mother's Day breakfast because mommy will be out of town or that they will be at Jon's? And yes, she will explain on the couch interview that the kids decided yada yada. We all know it is scripted but there are those poor suckers who watch who believe the camera and sound guys just show up and film.
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There's no plausible way for TLC to explain how the kids 'just decided' to blah blah...they are KIDS.
Give me a freaking break already.

LOL

Ok, was flipping channels while I was eating my yummy un-organic lunch, and there was JimBob talking to the young man about marrying one of his daughters (I think it was about the first daughter that got married,dont know her name or the boy's name).

He's grilling the kid about how is he going to support his daughter...I', thinking, 'well, how about this daughter bring her TLC salary to the table?"
And then another thought....who in their right mind (and I know this leaves out JB) has such a personal conversation with a TLC crew up your wazoo?
And back to the money....I wonder if Arkansas requires the Duggashians to put aside some of the money for the kid's futures? They earned that money just as much (really, more) than the parents.

Man, this is all so just fu*#ed up it's almost laughable.

FYI said...

I think the "secret breakfast" is for Kate's birthday, and they'll have the kids saying something like "it's mommy's day(her birthday) and we're going to surprise her by making her breakfast.

Then perhaps they'll edit out any references to her birthday and make it seem like they did it for Mother's Day. Or, they'll say that they're celebrating Mother's Day early, because Mother's Day this year is also the tups birthday.

And, of course, Kate(who does everything for her kids) will say that she wouldn't want the tups birthday to be about her, so they had an early Mother's Day celebration.

Flight of the Kiwi said...

P.J. said... 81

Speaking of Baltimore and the mess going on there, the Orioles are playing the White Sox today and there will be no fans. The game is closed to the public. A first for MLB.

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A very sad first :( In the 80's I had the pleasure of visiting the Inner Harbor area. In the 90's made several trips for soccer tournaments.. Baltimore is a great city. So horrible what has happened in that city.

Millicent said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 58
I thought the mayor kept calling them thugs. Now she wants them to vent?
I don't understand what venting accomplishes. I doubt most of those people even understand what they're fighting about. They just want an excuse to plunder and burn things and destroy a city with incredible historical significance. It accomplishes nothing. Absolutely nothing. Actually, it accomplishes something
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I agree that rioting, causing damage to buildings, etc., seems counterproductive. However, I think we need to view the situation in Baltimore in a greater context. What has pushed these citizens to the point where their frustration boils over into rioting? It's the decades-long systematic abuse by the police toward people of color. Racial profiling is a very real thing. It's bad enough to be harassed by ridiculous traffic stops, or because you are walking down the street while black. The fear that people of color have for police officers is rooted in reality. But for Freddie Gray, his crime was making eye contact with a police officer, then getting scared of being hurt by that officer so he runs away. Turns out he was right to be frightened, because the cops chased him down, hauled him off and god only knows what brutal beating went on -- but we know he was brutally beaten, beaten so badly his spine was severed and he died.

Everyone should be furious. I'm surprised there isn't more rioting. What happened was a brutal and sickening crime, committed by the very people who are supposed to uphold the law. Committed by the very people who want to be feted for "putting their lives on the line." Most police officers are decent people -- but unfortunately this profession attracts thugs and bullies, who abuse their position and their power, and all too often "the thin blue line" circles the wagons, lies to protect their fellow officers, and justice is not served.

If Martin Luther King, Jr. is turning in his grave, it's not because of the rioting. It's because so little has changed. By the way, what happens when the general public loses trust in those who are supposed to uphold the law, like police officers, D.A. offices, and the court system? When that happens, that's a very, very bad thing for all of society.

Sure, we can focus on the rioters, but their behavior is a symptom of the greater problem, which is that we have too many police officers who are out of control. We can sit in our nice neighborhoods and say, "that would never happen here" until it does. We could continue to blame people for reaching a boiling point and acting out, and we could ignore the root problem. That would be to our detriment though.

I'm reminded of this famous quote:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

When those who are sworn to uphold the law, to protect and serve, instead subvert their power to do evil -- and they are left unchecked, all of society suffers. The police did something horribly, unspeakably wrong. What is worse - property damage? or beating someone so badly they die?

Rhymes with Witch said...

Baltimore is a great city. So horrible what has happened in that city. 84

Reading about what has happened there, several people have theorized that outside agitators ( who don't live there) went in to help stir things up. When a mob mentality takes hold, rationality goes out the window.
(I am not saying that no locals participated, btw).

P.J. said...

Flight of the Kiwi said... 84

Baltimore is a great city.

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It is a great city and I love the Inner Harbor too. We also loved the Aquarium. I was there while Camden Yards was under construction in the early 90s.

handinhand said...

Re ants, get a Stokes Select Hanging Ant Moat I have one and have absolutesly no ants at my feeder now.
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Wish they made a version of those for stink bugs.!!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't believe most of those children have the slightest idea what they're rioting about. I also don't believe rioting solves a single thing and in fact makes things worse.

In the history of the world, no great peacemaker who accomplished anything, from Gandhi to Martin Luther King Jr., to Jesus to Mother Theresa, has ever, ever advocated riots.

I don't think everyone should be furious. I think that accomplishes nothing. No great dialogue and solution was ever accomplish from a place of furious anger. I also don't believe we have too many police officers out of control. I think there are isolated problems that make headlines, that need to be dealt with better. The vast majority of our tens of thousands of police officers out there every day do a wonderful job sometimes in the face of very dangerous situations and I would call them in a heartbeat if ever in trouble and so would most people. I feel sorry for them that the actions of a few are causing everyone to stereotype all police. I know someone who sits on an administrative panel which punishes police officers. If you so much as have four cars participating in a chase when you were only supposed to have three per the manual, you could lose your job. It is not a case of letting police go unchecked. Of course no one reports on how that police officer lost his job because he didn't follow the protocol with the cars, because that's not as interesting and doesn't feed into any agendas.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

About the Mother's Day breakfast, I'm guessing TFW will say it's
a "rare treat" to not have to cook. This from a mother of 8 who
trotted off to NYC for Celebrity Apprentice and didn't have to
prepare a meal for about a month, while some women from
Montana fed her children.

TLC stinks said...

Wasn't she "in Mexico" during her actual birthday, though?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Reading about what has happened there, several people have theorized that outside agitators ( who don't live there) went in to help stir things up. When a mob mentality takes hold, rationality goes out the window.

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Completely agree. That's exactly what happened in Ferguson, it was discovered that a great deal of people rioting didn't even live there or know a thing about the city.

The high school thing in Baltimore was staged to mimic the movie The Purge, with no real agenda or statement of action, talking points, requests or demands. It was nonsense from the get-go.

All these things add up to diminish the credibility of the cause so that any meaningful points have become lost. They have only themselves to blame. They have lost even the president's support now, who has now called them criminals and thugs, and that speaks volumes.

I find the whole thing shameful and a real F-U to all the hard work that has come before this to advance Civil Rights.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


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I think this comment is absurd. They LIVE it...they know exactly what they are rioting about. That doesn't make rioting in any way, shape or form RIGHT, but to state that they don't know what they are rioting about speaks to your ignorance.


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I stand by my comment. When high school children burn a CVS or throw rocks an innocent bystanders while "protesting", I do not believe for one second they have any understanding of any cause whatsoever. If they did, they never would have picked up that rock. Without interviewing each and every student, we have no idea what they have lived or not lived. Some of them may have very good lives, some may not. Many people, including those in Baltimore, have had very positive experiences with law enforcement and have been helped by them. I suspect though, the mother who pulled her minor son from the rioting crowd, knows exactly what kind of good upbringing she is trying to give him, and it doesn't include that.

Martin Luther King spoke a great deal about anger and how whenever he felt it, he would have to check himself and cut it off and not become bitter. He was not an angry person and did not make changes from a place of anger.

FYI said...

TLC stinks said... 91
Wasn't she "in Mexico" during her actual birthday, though?
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They could have filmed it before they left or when they came back. The tups birthday parties weren't filmed on their birthdays, so why should Kate's?

Or maybe they made if for her while they were in Mexico.

BTW, remember when Kate tweeted about "working at home' and tweeted a picture of her feet in slippers. That's probably when she was doing the couch interviews.

angie said...

Right or wrong, etc etc etc, just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you have the right to pillage, steal and destroy stuff.

Nothing says 'can we get along' better than a stealing a Vizio 80 inch flat screen tv.

getoftweeter said...

Admin: I cheer that mom who pulled her kid out of the rioting. I think I would have done the same thing if I saw my kid there, only it would have been worse for that kid.

I saw on the news some young nit-wit, I call him that cause he did not think, before he spoke. He said: (I think this was in Chicago) " The Police care more for property than human life" Excuse me, if you nit-wits would not steal, damage or rob places, cause trouble and in some cases, pull a gun at police, or others, maybe you would not get shot, or arrested. This young person is saying we should allow them to damage, steal & rob places & people and the Police should not do anything. It does not help when they resist arrest. Police are called to protect people, property and sometimes assist an injured person. And they have to live with the decisions/actions they take.

Yes, there are police who have taken power to their heads, and that needs to be dealed with. But I also think a lot of these young people are doing a lot of things to provoke the police, to make trouble, and I do think it's a small group of them who are calling the shots. This small group does know how to get at kids that are at risk, and use them to do things. They are cowards! JMO

Math Girl said...

CBC had a thoughtful article on what's happening today in the USA:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/baltimore-shows-police-killings-america-s-real-state-of-emergency-1.3052674

By the way, Canada is not exempt from the trend toward questioning police versions of their actions as a result of bystander videos. Perhaps the most famous is the taser death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver airport. Some of the police officers involved are now being tried for perjury over their testimony at an inquiry into the death, and some have been convicted. Not much of a solace for the dead man's family, but better than nothing.

Anon This Time said...

Wow Millicent! We don't know what did or did not happen but to portray Mr. Gray was as some poor kid whose only crime was making eye contact with a police officer is not quite accurate.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/22/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-what-we-know/

Exterior Designer said...

Millicent @ 85. Amen. You said it way better than I could ever express. Case in point, the officer that was dealt with swiftly after shooting an unarmed man in the south (South Carolina? Georgia?) both the police chief and the mayor came out and there were immediate, tangible results.

Ex Nurse said...

Tucker's mom said....

With narcs, you can easily get beat down, and quick. I remember thinking to myself, "What's going to piss him off today? Oh, right. Breathing".
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You know, he doesn't typically get angry--he does a slow internal burn. I had no idea how angry he was underneath his claim demeanor. But then, he is an alcoholic, who buried his feelings by drinking. It wasn't until he got sober that his true colors came out, because he couldn't numb out.

As far as Nurse Jackie, I think that they are doing a really good job of showing the dysfunction that surrounds her. her ex, who has been painted as a pretty good guy, is now stealing money to fund his new marriage. It isn't usual to for an addict to pair up with a healthy person, and people tend to repeat their family of origin patterns.

Their daughters seem to come from different families--Grace is going to the dark side, while Fiona seems to live in oblivion of what is happening. Very common in families built around addiction.

And look at what has happened to Akalitis? She has morphed from a compassionate supporter to a raging lunatic, who is compromising her own professional reputation. Understandable, because of Jackie's betrayal.

And then there is poor Eddie, the hopeless co-dependant, who is on the verge of going down for his enabling. I think he deserves better, but, he is locked in the addict-codependent relationship.

Lots of parallels with the Gosselin family dynamics, in which Jon keeps gravitating toward controlling women, the siblings inhabit drastically different universes, and Kate surrounds herself with bobble-headed, slobbering, codependent enablers. Classic alcoholic/addict dynamics.

Sue_Buddy said...

Living in So Calif at the time, I remember after the Rodney King riots, the people in the war torn riot areas complained that the clean up wasn't fast enough, one guy saying his mother couldn't buy food because the neighborhood grocery store had been burned to the ground. Whaaaat?? I thought at the time, you guys all need to get together and figure out a way to protest that doesn't involve totally destroying where you live.

redbird said...

Even Dr. Glass can see through the mayor of Baltimore. Wish she would do more on TFW. Was it Tucker's mom that said this at Baltimore felt different than Ferguson? I feel the same way.

https://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/

Mel said...

I wonder if the crew daddies had to kick TFM out of the bedroom before they could burst in with the kids and their 'surprise' breakfast.

Of course, when your kids get up at 6am and the nanny prepares breakfast and gets them ready for school while you routinely sleep until 9am in your locked bedroom, I suppose you wouldn't notice the kids and camera crew preparing breakfast.

Call Me Crazy said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 93

I stand by my comment. When high school children burn a CVS or throw rocks an innocent bystanders while "protesting", I do not believe for one second they have any understanding of any cause whatsoever.
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I must disagree. I think they have a very firm grasp of the cause, but their reaction was misguided and criminal. It was also not unexpected.

Children who grow up in poverty in terribly depressed inner city neighborhoods live a life that is completely foreign to most of us. They are not the lucky ones who are free to carry on with everyday life feeling relatively safe; they must live every single day under the constant threat of violence. And that violence is coming from both criminal elements and some of those very people who are charged with protecting them.

Violence is their norm. Just watch the video of the mother beating her son upside his head to get him off the street. I thought it was great to see a mother springing into action. Everyone applauds the fact that this mom is involved and caring and trying to protect her son. But the fact remains that she was using violence to protect him. Somehow we feel it is OK to look past the fact that she beat him upside the head because we know she was trying to prevent him from being involved in a far more dangerous situation. But if we ever saw a mother beating her child like that in a different environment, we would be appalled, and people would be screaming for that mom to be brought up on charges. Violence is their norm. And that is tragic.

When you live that reality every day, even in places that should be safe havens like your home or school, it is not surprising that people become frustrated and angry and lose some of that innate value for property or life that most of us feel.

This is not an excuse for what went on - it is just an explanation and a statement that the people involved have a very clear understanding of the reasons behind all this. There are absolutely people who simply wanted to steal and cause harm, so they used the situation as an excuse and an opportunity to run wild. And every one of those people who looted and burned and destroyed property and harmed a police officer or anyone else should be arrested and charged with their crimes. But I do not believe that they did not have any understanding of any cause whatsoever.

There are no easy answers here. Both sides are legitimately suspicious of the other. We outsiders see videos of people running away from police, and we say, well, no wonder they are being treated forcefully, they shouldn't be running away. But we can't understand that sometimes the reasons people run are because they have seen and lived brutality, and they not only fear it - they expect it.

I can only hope that all this horror will finally lead to understanding and peace. And as Mr. Robert Valentine, a Vietnam Vet, stated so eloquently on Monday night, "I am not black or white or red or yellow. I am American." Now we just need to find a way for everyone to feel like that.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Mel (#103), that coffee station in TFW's bedroom was revealing.
Who needs to make coffee in their room when there's a perfectly
good pot in the kitchen? Someone who is ensconced in her
room for long periods of time.

Wow said...

Sue_Buddy said... 101
Living in So Calif at the time, I remember after the Rodney King riots, the people in the war torn riot areas complained that the clean up wasn't fast enough, one guy saying his mother couldn't buy food because the neighborhood grocery store had been burned to the ground. Whaaaat?? I thought at the time, you guys all need to get together and figure out a way to protest that doesn't involve totally destroying where you live.
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Unless that person were personally involved in the rioting, I'm not sure why you have a problem with that comment. People in South LA are no more responsible for the behavior of their neighbors than you are for the behavior of yours. The area is (and was then) home to hundreds of thousands of people. A very small percentage of those people took part in rioting.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Admin: I cheer that mom who pulled her kid out of the rioting. I think I would have done the same thing if I saw my kid there, only it would have been worse for that kid.

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I didn't cheer her. She used force on him and there was violence involved. What worse thing would you have done? Slammed him to the ground and stepped on him? I understand that she was very angry and out of control, but at what age and under what circumstances is it appropriate to forcefully grab your son and slam him around? In the heat of the moment, with tempers flaring, you could say that she had no other choice, but I don't know...

Ex Nurse -- Why did you ask him? Why not just let the contractor decide how to fix it and what adhesive to use? If I had an ex or ex-to-be and I knew that things provoke and agitate him, I wouldn't even bother to engage him.

Lynne In RI said...

Rainbow (107): "I didn't cheer her. She used force on him and there was violence involved. What worse thing would you have done? Slammed him to the ground and stepped on him? I understand that she was very angry and out of control, but at what age and under what circumstances is it appropriate to forcefully grab your son and slam him around? In the heat of the moment, with tempers flaring, you could say that she had no other choice, but I don't know."

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It's commendable that she showed disapproval of his actions, but I just don't know if slapping him around was the best way to handle that. Doesn't violence beget violence? If it's okay for her to use that method of discipline on him, what does her son learn from his mother's actions? It's a tough call.

Tucker's Mom said...

And look at what has happened to Akalitis? She has morphed from a compassionate supporter to a raging lunatic, who is compromising her own professional reputation. Understandable, because of Jackie's betrayal.
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Great observation! I love Akalitis. Love, love the actress.
Without her, the E.R. is rudderless, and she's falling victim to Jackie, despite her profession and experience.
Akalitis really thought she, Jackie and Eddie (ok, maybe Zoe, too) were the Three Musketeers.
But, alas.
Yes, it's fascinating.
(your ex sounds like what's called a "dry drunk"?)

Formerly Duped said...

I agree the coffee station in TFW's bedroom was odd, since her room is on the first floor, quite close to the kitchen.She'd have to get out of bed to get to the coffee anyway; why not walk a few steps further and save the bother of having two coffee machines and areas to clean up? Does she need two of every appliance?

If she really gets up at 5 am or so, who would waste time lingering in bed over coffee- most of us would grab a cup as we got breakfast ready.Or maybe it's for when she awakens from her back-to-bed sleep while the kids are in school?

TLC stinks said...

Since someone brought up about the police shooting in Charleston, early Sunday morning there were at least 60 black youths roaming the downtown near the Medical University campus attacking whites. It's been quiet since but I cannot help but feel this was stirred up by the violence in Baltimore although this did not involve violence towards police.

I don't know how I feel about the mom whopping her son. If the teen was totally disregarding and disrespecting her by refusing to leave such a volatile situation, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do with a hard headed teenager. My question is now what about those parents whose kids robbed the stores? Are they turning them into police? That would be a true lesson.

I hope the social media crowd leaves that mother alone because at least she did something. Her adrenalin was on overdrive but in the same situation I can't say I would not have done the same thing to protect my child. She wasn't hitting her son for some minor infraction.

P.J. said...

Lynne In RI said... 108

It's commendable that she showed disapproval of his actions, but I just don't know if slapping him around was the best way to handle that. Doesn't violence beget violence?

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I agree. It's entirely possible that had that child not grown up in a house with physical violence, he might not have been out there throwing rocks and sticks in the first place. But who knows?

Call Me Crazy said...

Exterior Designer said... 99

Millicent @ 85. Amen. You said it way better than I could ever express. Case in point, the officer that was dealt with swiftly after shooting an unarmed man in the south (South Carolina? Georgia?) both the police chief and the mayor came out and there were immediate, tangible results.
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The sad reality is that the officer in South Carolina was dealt with swiftly, and there were immediate and tangible results, only because the incident was videotaped. The officer involved lied in his original statement, and no one would have been the wiser to the truth had the video not surfaced.

It is certainly a conundrum. Sometimes the bad guys are not who you expect them to be.

Serendipity said...

Her adrenalin was on overdrive but in the same situation I can't say I would not have done the same thing to protect my child. She wasn't hitting her son for some minor infraction.

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That's exactly what concerns me. What constitutes a minor infraction and when does it become a major infraction? We all disapprove of Kate carrying around the wooden spoon and she wrote in her journal that she whipped her kids into their cribs. There is a photo of her lifting one of her daughter's skirts and spanking her for blowing a whistle, and who knows what else she's done? Wasn't it reported that the filming crew heard her whipping one of them in a bathroom? We've called her out on this, but then it seems that some think it's fine that this mother slapped her son around. When is this ever acceptable?

Jumping In said...

Our hockey team (the Vancouver Canucks) lost the Stanley Cup in Game 7 in 2011. The city was still basking in the glow of the 2010 Winter Olympics and foolishly did not prepare for what may happen if we lost to the Boston Bruins. As many here will remember, riots broke out, looting took place, police cars were burned, it was despicable and left an indelible mark on our beautiful city. People with no history of violence were caught up in the frenzy, behaved outrageously and this was over the loss of a hockey game!

While I cannot condone what happened in Baltimore, I think I understand the pent-up anger and frustration. There is never an excuse for violence, but once it took root, I can see how people got caught up in it as they did here in Vancouver. A mob mentality took over, and the damage was done. Behind the riots in Baltimore are obviously far deeper issues than what happened here.

For the Nurse Jackie fans, I see a story of dysfunction and heart. Every character is flawed but doing their best to survive in their own way. These are actors who are more real to me than the subject of our common denominator here....Kate Gosselin. I often wonder if TFW has ever had a complex emotion, a real (not made for TV) struggle, or a genuine feeling. I think that is what bothers me most about her is that she is a cardboard cut-out of a person, skating through life on the backs of her children, never thinking how their lives will play out after she sold out their childhood.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes, there's a lot of sociological research about mob mentality. And that's a big part of the problem with the credibility of some of these groups is that it starts to look a lot more like angry mob and not so rational. Especially when there's a lack of collective clarity about what their goals and requests are, or outsiders come in to assist, or young people are corralled into doing something because young people are susceptible to influences like that, it becomes easier and easier to dismiss them. And people have and will continue to dismiss them until they stop behaving like crooks and perpetuating the problem and proving the point.

I have no problem with the mom lashing out on their teenager when they are doing something that egregious. He's not a toddler and he knew what he was doing was wrong. He picked up a rock to throw it at a police officer who had never hurt anyone that we know of, and his mom immediately reacted. He apparently needed to be publicly humiliated by his mother to knock some sense into him; taking away his allowance money or phone isn't going to do it. One hopes being physical is not usually necessary to discipline teens or anyone, but this situation was extreme. Let me put it this way, I'm against physical discipline in general, but if your toddler runs into the street and you need to give him a spanking because he's not getting it, you have to do what you have to do to get through to your child. When it's a SAFETY issue and nothing else has worked to snap some sense into a child, exceptions to the general rule can be made. In otherwise safe, calm situations, in which the child has done something wrong but there is time to think about it, discuss it, and discipline accordingly without violence, I really can't fathom where physical abuse would ever be necessary. Had this mother found out about the incident afterward instead of witnessing it in real time, I hope she would handle it accordingly without hitting him.

Back to mob mentality, it really bothers me that high school kids were rounded up to insight violence. I remember in high school, there was some new policy instituted, something minor, I think where they had changed our days to earlier or something, probably to accommodate bus schedules or something reasonable. A lot of students kept saying let's do a "sit in" let's do a sit in. I remember how excited that made myself and others feel. To think we, 15 year old kids, could sit down in the hallways and through our collective group efforts, effect change. It was an emotion I had never felt before and in that moment, a sit in was the most romantic exciting thing I have ever heard of. I suspect that's EXACTLY what went through those high schoolers heads during their "purge."

The reality is our time would be better spent just accepting that minor changes like this are part of school administration and focus on our studies. But, those sort of rational thoughts don't go through a teenager's mind, they are irrational, immature, and very prone to mob mentality. For the very first time they are realizing they could make something happen together, and the new feeling and emotion is great. That is normal. And that is very troubling that all those teens were used like this to disastrous results.

Sue_Buddy said...

I find these two statement a bit incongruous, therefore I am confused as to where you stand:

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 93
I stand by my comment. When high school children burn a CVS or throw rocks an innocent bystanders while "protesting", I do not believe for one second they have any understanding of any cause whatsoever. If they did, they never would have picked up that rock.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 116
He's not a toddler and he knew what he was doing was wrong. He picked up a rock to throw it at a police officer who had never hurt anyone that we know of, and his mom immediately reacted.

Do you care to clarify?


Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...



That's exactly what concerns me. What constitutes a minor infraction and when does it become a major infraction? We all disapprove of Kate carrying around the wooden spoon and she wrote in her journal that she whipped her kids into their cribs


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Well, when you pick up a rock to throw it at a police officer, it's no longer a minor infraction.

I don't think the situation can even remotely be compared to a toddler, three, four, or five year old blowing a whistle or doing the many other things that little kids do. He is not a kid, he is a teenager, almost a grown man, was involved in a serious life threatening mob mentality, was being a thug and a criminal, and was about to get himself arrested or worse by attacking a police officer. She could have saved him from jail or worse by that one little slap, so good for her. There are exceptions to every rule or most rules, and this was one of those rare exceptions that one hopes will never happen again. If I'm ever a breath away from going to jail, please, slap me.

And you know what, if a Gosselin child or any child ever does join a mob and pick up a rock and hurls it at a police officer, they should be slapped upside the head too. That was insane what happened the other day. Insane.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Sue, why is that confusing? Now I'm confused.

I don't believe many of these teens understand the depths of the issues behind some of the protests. I believe it was a mob mentality and that if you went around interviewing all these kids, many wouldn't be able to articulate the real issues. I do believe, however, that any kid knows you don't throw a rock at someone. A three year old knows not to throw rocks, come on. Nothing confusing about that.

"Care to clarify" sounds kind of passive aggressive, but maybe that's just me. I see it a lot from you, and there's no need for it. We're all friends here.

Sue_Buddy said...

Because in one statement you say you "do not believe for one second they (the high school children) have any understanding of any cause whatsoever."

In the other statement you say "He's (the boy whose mother wailed on him) is not a toddler and he knew what he was doing was wrong."

You do not find those 2 statement contradictory?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


You do not find those 2 statement contradictory?


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Um, no, I don't Sue.

Picking up a rock and throwing it at someone is not a "cause". It's picking up a damn rock and throwing it at someone. Everyone should be able to understand why that's not okay even if you don't understand why you've joined a mob or what your requests are. The rest of the world gets it judging but the thousands of comments around the web today, which is a relief.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

No purge occurred


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I'm not exactly sure what this "no purge" thing is about when there are hundreds of hours of film showing purge activities, plus proof on twitter of its organization, as well as various flyers showing proof. Rewriting history isn't going to work this time. I guess we don't have to use the word "purge" if that is the sticking point, but the reality is there were hundreds of young people and others who planned and caused grave distraction over the past several days in a beautiful city so much so that a curfew was put in place, and there is video and photo proof of it.

I'm sure many eye witnesses saw what they saw and I believe they saw what they saw, but Baltimore is a big city. The fact that they didn't see a "purge" doesn't mean it wasn't caught on film as proof it was happening elsewhere. The last thing we need is people trying to claim this never even happened when it did. That accomplishes nothing.

Sue_Buddy said...

Just ran across something interesting. I'm watching a series, "Egypt" on Netflix. I'm fascinated with the 3000 year old antiquities of Egypt, and this series is very interesting and is filmed on site. Computer enhancements (which are not noticeable at all) show the temples mostly buried in sand as they were before they were discovered and in many cases pillaged. Anyway, I Googled it, and discovered that it was made in 2005 and was a collaboration between BBC and...are you ready...The Learning Channel. How far they have fallen. I am now more disgusted than ever with TLC.

Jumping In said...

My dentist was out of town during the riots here after the Canucks lost the final game for the Stanley Cup. The last thing he said to his kids was not to go downtown just in case things went off the rails. They are both good teenagers and wanted to be there when we won thinking it would be just like after Canada won the gold medal in hockey in the 2010 Olympics, so off they went. My dentist recounted how his kids told him how they were caught up in the surge of violence, how they felt empowered rather than afraid, and how shocked he was to hear this. Although they did not commit any crimes, they fully understood how the mob mentality gave them some perverse permission to act out even though it was the last thing they expected they would ever consider. They were swept up, but decided their futures should not include a criminal record, especially over a lost hockey game, they walked away and went home.

I recently marched in a protest against Bill C-51 (which gives our government greater powers to spy on Canadian citizens). It was a peaceful protest but when there are masses of people fighting for a cause you can see how things could quickly turn ugly. Whether you partake or walk away depends on how deep your feelings run, or how you feel about violence, and how far you are personally willing to go.
But, if within the group there are people willing to use the cause to serve their own agenda, violence can and does happen. Those who partake in violent acts are followers who so not respect the message, the greater purpose and ultimately tarnish the cause. Having said that I am not a member of a repressed minority who feels a great deal of injustice within their community. The weight of that brings another dynamic and dimension entirely. The mob can draw you in I think, and if there is no pause for thought then raw, negative emotion can take over.

I could never condone violence, but I believe I understand how injustices can explode in the wrong way.

Baltimore will heal and learn from this experience.




Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't recall that specific documentary about Egypt but I do remember when TLC made very good similar documentaries or would buy the rights to documentaries that other people had made that were well done. I remember when TLC was sort of nerdy to watch because it was so educational program focused. I really loved the network when it first started and I was still enjoying it when all of a sudden multiples showed up on it. It's a shame what they have become. I don't really think there's another cable channel out there that does what they used to do. In particular that used to show a bunch of British documentaries that would air on channels like the BBC. Some of those were really really good. I miss getting the opportunity to have access to all those. I suppose they show up on BBC America but I never know when to look for them.

Sue_Buddy said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 125

The contrast between what they're producing now and back then is shocking. I can't understand how they could make such a change...from well done, educational (The LEARNING Channel) programming to searching out and filming people who have sex with...with...strange objects and grotesquely obese people, to name just two. Of course it's all about money, but why don't they change their name to something more fitting of their poor taste and exploitation for the almighty dollar?

Sue_Buddy said...

Oh, and I forgot to mention, I am pretty nerdy. LOL I often enjoy learning things, as in history, not learning about society's freaks.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think TLC at one pint admitted they've dropped "The Learning Channel" tagline and they're just "TLC." Which is a little silly since TLC without a corresponding tagline like every other acronym is just a bunch of letters. Meaningless.

Appropriate though I guess.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I hear hopelessness
I hear oppression
I hear pain
I hear internalized oppression
I hear despair
I hear anger
I hear poverty

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That's amazing you heard all that out of the rape and pillage of a CVS store as well as much of the rest of that beautiful city. I must be hard of hearing, as I was unable to discern anything close to that message, which is the whole point scores of people were making, including our president as well as their mayor. The point was, an otherwise important message and dialogue was completely lost by the poor choices of a few. I stand by that, I will not pretend there was any message in that nonsense or soften the blow of what was pure and simple criminal activity by pretending I am enlightened enough to hear some sort of moving message about racial inequality in it. It was criminal activity, period. Supporting it encourages criminal behavior. If you would like to consider calling it what it is white supremacy, go ahead, that doesn't bother me. For once, I stand behind how our president views the situation.

They did more damage in two days to an important message than anyone has in two years. I'm quite frankly shocked and dismayed that anyone would support such a thing or try to accuse the vast majority of people who refuse to, including our president (who by the way, is black last I checked), white supremacists.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The mother and her son have given an interview. He admits he actually had a brick (a BRICK, geez!!!).

Her son had this to say: "I was embarrassed a little bit, until she just started talking to me when we got home. (She was) just telling me she did it because she cared about me. And it wasn't to embarrass me, but because she cared."

His mom said this: ""As long as I have breath in my body I will always try to do right by Michael and show him what's going on out in society doesn't have to be you."

I like this family. This is a mother who takes personal responsibility, and is trying to teach her son the same. Personal responsibility is something sorely missing from all this. Everyone else is blamed but yourself. This is a mother who is saying no, you are responsible for yourself FIRST before you dare cast that stone (or brick) at anyone else. It sounds like despite this misstep, this young man will grow up just fine thanks to a mom who cares and gets it.

Ex Nurse said...

Rainbowsandunicorns said...
Ex Nurse -- Why did you ask him? Why not just let the contractor decide how to fix it and what adhesive to use? If I had an ex or ex-to-be and I knew that things provoke and agitate him, I wouldn't even bother to engage him.
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I asked him because the adhesive needs to be removed--the contractor wanted to know. We are generally very civil, and have been working in the house repairs together. We just had a bad day yesterday--,we are both under a lot of stress.

Tucker's mom--yeah, I guess he can be described as a dry drunk. I think he is so arrested in his development because of his addiction, he hasn't learned to cope with his feelings, One thing that works in my favor is that he wants our kids to think well of him--his NPD is somewhat tempered by his need to be a hero.

prairiemary said...

I am so over the moon with happiness, because in a couple of days, Netflix will be showing "Mommy Dearest" in just a few more days! Finally.

Katykat said...

I applaud the woman for going to get her don, but not for beating him. He had obviously been disciplined like this many times before, but it did not deter him from disobeying her (he was told to go home after school) and joining in with his friends. Beatings, hittings, spankings, etc, may stop the action at the moment, but they do not have a long term positive effect on behavior and higher order critical thinking skills as to why he shouldn't have been there at all. She had him separated. All she had to do was 1. Empathize. "I know you're angry. I know you're frustrated. I know your friends were putting pressure on you to be here." (Showing empathy often times quickly defused a situation). 2. State the problem with his actions. "It's not safe. We are not safe here. 3. Tell him the right thing to do. "We're going home now together. I love you and it's my job to keep you safe." Once you have the kid diffused, he's thinking with his frontal lobe and able to make rational choices. Hitting, throwing rocks, etc., means they were both thinking with their brain stems, in a fight or flight mode, and has no long term effect. It doesn't cause the teen to think before hand about the consequences nor does it show what the positive action should be.

TLC stinks said...

Admin, thanks for letting me know about the interview. I had hoped she and her son had a heart-to-heart talk. There's a mom who wants to make sure her son has a chance and not start off with a criminal background in life. Although I cringed when she was whopping him, after raising two teens, I fully understood the frustration a parent feels when they are bigger than you physically and they do the dumbest things imaginable thinking that they are wiser than you. I viewed it more like an intervention.

Getting back to Kate, there is a difference. She used her physical strength and/or an instrument to beat innocent toddlers into submission who were "annoying" her. She probably has actually physically hurt those kids disguised as accidents. That's abuse.

Tucker's Mom said...

That's amazing you heard all that out of the rape and pillage of a CVS store as well as much of the rest of that beautiful city.*
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I guess I'm pretty deaf, too. I didn't hear despair and poverty when all those criminals drove their cars to a mall and stole everything they could get their hands on.
All I heard was, "Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!"

I don't get it, I really don't.

Tucker's Mom said...

Ex Nurse said... 131
Rainbowsandunicorns said...
Ex Nurse -- Why did you ask him? Why not just let the contractor decide how to fix it and what adhesive to use? If I had an ex or ex-to-be and I knew that things provoke and agitate him, I wouldn't even bother to engage him.
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I asked him because the adhesive needs to be removed--the contractor wanted to know. We are generally very civil, and have been working in the house repairs together. We just had a bad day yesterday--,we are both under a lot of stress.
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Whoa, why blame the victim here? I suppose she asked him a normal question because well, it was a NORMAL question! You have no idea what will set people like her ex off.
No. Idea.
She didn't deserve the vitriol, and she didn't incite a damn thing.

Ex Nurse said...

Tucker's Mom said...
Whoa, why blame the victim here? I suppose she asked him a normal question because well, it was a NORMAL question! You have no idea what will set people like her ex off.
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Thanks Tucker! I get she was saying. NPD isn't as black and white as many think. It is a spectrum disorder, so his behaviors are not as extreme. There are many blogs with posts on divorcing an NPD, that are horrific. While his behavior is not as extreme, I did find the advice on these blogs to be helpful. If I express appreciation for his efforts, he will double them. As I said, he has a real need to come off looking heroic, so that works in my favor. Don't get me wrong, he put me through hell. But once I detached from him emotionally, and kept it friendly, he has been relatively easy to deal with--as compared to some behaviors of other NPD's, So, feeding his narcissistic supply expressing appreciation for things most people do without thinking, actually works out well for me me. If I am polite, he interprets this as criticism, which is what will set him off. If I am friendly, it works out a whole lot better. And, it makes it easier to let go of the marriage because I see how hollow he really is. Just not capable of a mature emotional relationship. I see him as being very sick, and in pain pretty much most of the time. As I said, Tuesday was a bad day for both of us, as we come to a close in untangling our finances (and relationship). I don't have it in me to wish him ill, although that has not always been the case. He is the father and grandfather to our kids and grandson, and I picked him! We were all together on my grandson's first birthday, which I hosted at our house, and I was very grateful that we could behave "normally".

By the way, my grandson was born on our anniversary, so, that day, which could have been a sad day every year, is a joyous one. Silly baby--he knew what he was doing!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

He had obviously been disciplined like this many times before, but it did not deter him from disobeying her (he was told to go home after school) and joining in with his friends. Beatings, hittings, spankings, etc, may stop the action at the moment, but they do not have a long term positive effect on behavior and higher order critical thinking skills as to why he shouldn't have been there at all.

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No, what it did was get him out of a dangerous situation at that moment.

Afterward she sat down with him in apparently a much more calm matter and talked with him about the situation. He didn't say they went home and she gave him the lashing of his life. He said Mom took me home and we talked about it. Judging by his interview, he gets it now, so alls well that ends well.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Ex Nurse (#137), I can't believe your grandson is a year old
already! And his birthday being on your anniversary seems
to be a gift from the universe. Not only "salvaging" that date,
but making it extra special.

Did Gladys ever comment on TFW's bed photo? Or did she
pass out and is still under a doctor's care?

Ex Nurse said...

Rainbowsandunicorns,
I didn't hear what you said as criticism--it sounded more like concern.We are generally on the same team. As the end approaches, we are both (separately) freaking out, so sometimes the wheels fall off the wagon. After we had the roofing tar exchange, I was triggered and said some not very nice things. All it takes is an apology on my part, (he does not apologize of course), and he becomes Mr Helpful. So there are ways to engage successfully with NPD's, but it involves staying very calm, and taking responsibility for my own bad behavior. In our 34 years of marriage, I have developed my own dysfunctional ways of dealing with him, which has involved a lot of critiicism and blame. Yes, I have been a victim of his campaign to undermine me and drive me crazy with compulsive lying. But, I do not intend to live my life as a victim, so I work on letting go of criticisim and blame because it is not a healthy way for me to live. It is a huge relief to let go of our relationship and marriage. He has done some really terrible things, but that doesn't mean he isn't entitled to dignity and respect. In 12 step, there is a saying: Resentment is like taking poison and expecting someone else to die. So, if letting go of my anger and resentment rewards him and feeds his narcissism, so be it. I am not doing it for him--it is for myself and my family. What is good for him is also good for me.

Tucker's Mom said...

He is the father and grandfather to our kids and grandson, and I picked him! We were all together on my grandson's first birthday, which I hosted at our house, and I was very grateful that we could behave "normally".

By the way, my grandson was born on our anniversary, so, that day, which could have been a sad day every year, is a joyous one. Silly baby--he knew what he was doing!
April 30, 2015 at 6:30 AM
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That's amazing, and now your anniversary is a joyous day once again!
I hope one day, Kate will find the grace to give that gift to her own children.
Right now, Kate thinks she's got is all sewn up. She's got the huge home, the freebies and trips, the pool and money/grifting skillz to spoil her children silly.
But, just wait until her kids have kids, and they have to face the task of inviting grandma and grandpa to their kids parties and holidays and graduations. Wait until it's Christmas, and her kids have to decide that their not going to schlep their own kids between Jon and Kate's homes because their parents can't be in the same zip code.
It's not going to fly.
I think Kate envisions all of her kids and grandkids being loyal to her for life, and that's not how it works. Her kids will see how hard she's made things for them, and hopefully choose to not burden themselves and their own families with the mess she created.
All of Kate's flippant, "we don't have a relationship-it's for the best" talk is going to hurt her one day.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#141), I agree that TFW is in for a rude awakening.
I remember the fake Christmas morning episode, and she said
about sticky buns as their Christmas breakfast: "Always has
been, always will be." There was something almost smug about
the way she said it. She was the puppet master. "I'm in charge,
and that's never gonna change."

TFW is outnumbered now, but still in control. But as the kids get
older, she will slowly but surely lose that control. Add boyfriends
and girlfriends into the mix, and Mom's opinions will mean less
and less. I predict a few early marriages, West Coast colleges,
and perhaps one child who will move away and never look back.

Tucker's Mom said...


No, what it did was get him out of a dangerous situation at that moment.

Afterward she sat down with him in apparently a much more calm matter and talked with him about the situation. He didn't say they went home and she gave him the lashing of his life. He said Mom took me home and we talked about it. Judging by his interview, he gets it now, so alls well that ends well.
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That Mom had a visceral reaction in the midst of an extremely dangerous situation in which her son cold have been hurt, killed or arrested.
He wasn't annoying her on her fucketybillionth pink Iphone by blowing a whistle.
I can't fault her for slapping her boy silly in that moment.
She's a REAL single mother, doing it all alone, and I'm betting that her son's teachable moment will stick with him forever.
She desperately wants her son to not become a criminal and to rise above the streets that he came from.
I think his chances of doing just that have greatly improved.

Rhymes with Witch said...

OT - a measure of justice for Malala in a country not known for holding women in high esteem.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/04/30/403246744/10-men-sent-to-prison-over-shooting-of-malala-in-2012

Tucker's Mom said...

Did Gladys ever comment on TFW's bed photo? Or did she
pass out and is still under a doctor's care?
April 30, 2015 at 6:48 AM
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I bet she's still recovering from her seizure!
Kate's bed!! The Holy Grail!!

TLC stinks said...

I just want to add I think this has been a good conversation regarding the Baltimore mother versus Kate. Everyone has different ways of child rearing, primarily based on your upbringing, pro or con. Unfortunately some pretty bad behaviors are passed on from generation to generation.

AuntieAnn said...

Did Gladys ever comment on TFW's bed photo? Or did she
pass out and is still under a doctor's care?

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teehee Flimsy! First the bathtub and now the bed!! She might still be hyperventilating.

Tucker's Mom said...

teehee Flimsy! First the bathtub and now the bed!! She might still be hyperventilating.
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Oh, that's right, the bath for Mady. What a sicko.

Mel said...

Ex-Nurse....I so hope that I can get to where you are. I'm working on it. It's hard.

Like you, I finally realized that I had developed dysfunctional ways of dealing with him, and I wanted to stop those. Now I try hard not to engage, to stay detached, which just plain works better for my psyche.

And then he says (or implies, he's a master at subtle manipulation) to everyone..."I don't know why she's so mean to me. I try my hardest to be nice to her. I don't know why she doesn't want to have anything to do with me. I just don't get it. I do my best to get along with her and it's just never enough. Poor me."

It's so frustrating because people who don't know what he's really like look at me like I'm the b*tch. They buy his act. They see the charming, considerate man, because he falls all over them. He has a terrific sense of who is going to buy his act and who is going to see through him.

Much the way TFW has a sixth sense of who she is going to be able to bamboozle and who isn't going to fall for it.

I often want to say to those people, yeah, he seems so nice doesn't he. Cross him once. I dare ya. Let's see what happens to that man slobbering all over you. Let's see how nice he is then.

SARAH said...

Millicent,

Tucker's Mom apologized for the pity f>>K comment. I appreciated that. No need to butt in and as a mother of a son, I sure hope you realize how offensive that phrase and action is.

It has nothing to do with the posters on here being grown or not. I hope no woman is ever in a position in which she needs a man to be with her out of pity.

Perhaps you have personal experience and it made you stop and pause.

For this lady, I still find it offensive, even with the astericks. The meaning is 100% the same.

Sarah

Formerly Duped said...

AuntieAnn said... 147
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Don't forget mention of Kate's favorite PJs from Victoria's Secret quite a while back..that should have kept her going a while...and her fixation with undies...talking about the kids but possibly hope Kate might mention her own.

Tucker's Mom said...

SARAH said... 150
Millicent,

Tucker's Mom apologized for the pity f>>K comment. I appreciated that. No need to butt in and as a mother of a son, I sure hope you realize how offensive that phrase and action is.

It has nothing to do with the posters on here being grown or not. I hope no woman is ever in a position in which she needs a man to be with her out of pity.
*****
This woman puts herself in that position. She's pathetic and sad and evidently, doesn't think very highly of herself.
Look, it was an offhand comment that I made. I'm sorry your sensibilities were offended. Obviously, it touched a never for you.
For pity sake, move on.

Tucker's Mom said...

Jeebus, this so-called police investigation is stunningly awful. They announced that the police van carrying Freddy Gray made an additional stop.
There needed to be an investigation to reveal this?
This is smelling more and more like a cover up. I can't believe that we really know nothing at this point.
A police officer shot a black man in the back and killed him in S.C. There are no riots and that's because the cop was arrested and charged.

Soma said...

I have never in my life been afraid of a police officer. I have never had the thought that a police officer would hurt me. I have never felt threatened.

However, I have always treated the police with mutual respect. If I see a cop out and about, I am certainly not worried that he/she will misinterupret my actions, looks or behavior.

Word of advice to thugs, don't do something that will cause a cop to feel threatened.

Soma

Tucker's Mom said...

Soma, I've never been afraid of cops either, but I do believe that minorities are sometimes targeted and profiled.
I also believe that some of these people are criminals who met their fate because they not only didn't respect the police, but tried to attack them, like in Ferguson.

Lanc Native said...

For all the nature lovers here, I thought you all might enjoy this from the kids' school. It's an annual tradition, unlike Kate's traditions that are just in the moment for which she decides...

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/photos-check-out-these-adorable-ducklings-parading-through-lancaster-country/article_e87e841c-eeaf-11e4-9744-57d41401ecd0.html

Tucker's Mom said...

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/photos-check-out-these-adorable-ducklings-parading-through-lancaster-country/article_e87e841c-eeaf-11e4-9744-57d41401ecd0.html
******
What? No Kate there whisper-screaming and hand flapping?

AuntieAnn said...

Formerly Duped said... 151

Don't forget mention of Kate's favorite PJs from Victoria's Secret quite a while back..that should have kept her going a while...and her fixation with undies...talking about the kids but possibly hope Kate might mention her own.

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Gladys is the reason I buy brain bleach in bulk.

TLC stinks said...

Philly magazine asks: What did we do to deserve a TLC Summer Block Party? LOL

Jon & Kate Plus 8
(plus assorted specials and spin-offs)
True, the Gosselin family's show was filmed at their home in Berks County. But Kate was born in Philadelphia, and for that we must take responsibility (and/or redraw the county lines).


Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/04/28/philadelphia-reality-tv-tlc-summer-block-party/#3s5tTyTKhLOgxDp1.99

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


For this lady, I still find it offensive, even with the astericks. The meaning is 100% the same.

&&&

I'm not that easily offended and I just took it as a joke especially knowing the intention was just as a joke. It's hard to draw arbitrary lines about what's offensive and what's not, everyone's line would be different. I'd rather just assume jokes came from an innocent place and let ones that go too far roll off me than be perpetually walking on eggshells.

TLC stinks said...

Twitter silence. She must not be home.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Soma, agree, and many people even from so called "bad" parts of town treat cops respectfully and get the same in return. One thing that bothers me about this is the sweeping, broad generalizations and over simplification. The vast majority of citizens, minority or otherwise, get along just fine with law enforcement. I'd hate to be a cop right now just doing what I do and being lumped in as a racist who targets minorities because of the actions of a few.

Millicent said...

Mel said... 149
Ex-Nurse....I so hope that I can get to where you are. I'm working on it. It's hard.
Like you, I finally realized that I had developed dysfunctional ways of dealing with him, and I wanted to stop those. Now I try hard not to engage, to stay detached, which just plain works better for my psyche.
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Mel - I'm glad you are finding other ways of dealing with your manipulative ex. I trust that your real friends and family know the true nature of your ex and what you've had to deal with.

Tucker's Mom said...

TLC stinks said... 159
Philly magazine asks: What did we do to deserve a TLC Summer Block Party? LOL

Jon & Kate Plus 8
(plus assorted specials and spin-offs)
True, the Gosselin family's show was filmed at their home in Berks County. But Kate was born in Philadelphia, and for that we must take responsibility (and/or redraw the county lines).


Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/04/28/philadelphia-reality-tv-tlc-summer-block-party/#3s5tTyTKhLOgxDp1.99
((((((((((
The funny thing is, I don't think Kate affiliates herself with Philly or embraces it. It's beneath her precious NYC.
For sure she was born in Philly? Blech, I was hoping not.

I'd bet Kate's in Kentucky by way of Florida.

Ex Nurse said...

Thanks for your comments Flimsy, Tucker and Millicent.

I can't believe grandson is over a year old, either. I have him once a week, for a long day,so I get a lot if time with him. I live a few blocks from the zoo, so we go a lot. I think he knew exactly what he was doing, being born that day!

Sue_Buddy said...

This one made me laugh, a Tweet from Milo with a saying:

Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack ·
This is definitely my weakness. Been this way all my life....

Sometimes being too kind is what get you hurt.

It's Martyr Milo again. I wonder if the appearance of her martyr persona is a cyclical thing.

Millicent said...

Tucker's Mom said:
That Mom had a visceral reaction in the midst of an extremely dangerous situation in which her son cold have been hurt, killed or arrested.
He wasn't annoying her on her fucketybillionth pink Iphone by blowing a whistle.
I can't fault her for slapping her boy silly in that moment.
She's a REAL single mother, doing it all alone, and I'm betting that her son's teachable moment will stick with him forever.
******
I also thought that the mom's reaction came from a place of great fear -- fear for her child's safety. I didn't watch the video, only read/skimmed through a bit of the description, but that's what I thought when I read it.

P.J. said...

Admin said...

I'd hate to be a cop right now just doing what I do and being lumped in as a racist who targets minorities because of the actions of a few.

888888888888888888888888888888888

It's no more fair than lumping all minorities into looters and rioters, yet that seems to be what a lot of people are doing.

Math Girl said...

Soma said... 154
I have never in my life been afraid of a police officer. I have never had the thought that a police officer would hurt me. I have never felt threatened.
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Then you've led a very fortunate and privileged life.

On a recent trip, my husband and I kept getting boarding cards with "TSA pre-check" printed on them, while my daughter didn't have that designation. We never figured out why we got it. It lets you go to the front of the security line, keep your shoes on, and skip the body search.

It was nice, but confusing. At one check-point, I had one person to tell me to keep my shoes on, while evidently the next one told me to take them off. I hadn't heard him, but did hear my husband tell me to take them off. I then had a back-and-forth with my husband about shoes on/off. My daughter was TERRIFIED, and I'm not exaggerating, that I was going to be hauled off by TSA and held for hours for arguing with a TSA official. She was literally shaking when the guy noticed that I had a TSA pre-check card (it was only an 8 x 11 laminated card, after all) and let me through.

My daughter, who is a white, middle-class female, is totally afraid of police abuse of authority. Imagine how she would feel if she were a young black male?

localyocul said...

Well I've been following the Colorado Shooting trial and cop after cop after cop are testifying and crying over the dead. One guy cried recalling seeing a dead child. Then he was throwing people into his car and taking them to hospital. He had to drive while holding one man from jumping out of the door to go get his little girl who was still there. She was the six year old he had seen previously. All the victims have testified about the cops' heroic actions as well. So....

Millicent said...

Jumping In said... 115

Our hockey team (the Vancouver Canucks) lost the Stanley Cup in Game 7 in 2011. The city was still basking in the glow of the 2010 Winter Olympics and foolishly did not prepare for what may happen if we lost to the Boston Bruins. As many here will remember, riots broke out, looting took place, police cars were burned, it was despicable and left an indelible mark on our beautiful city. People with no history of violence were caught up in the frenzy, behaved outrageously and this was over the loss of a hockey game!

While I cannot condone what happened in Baltimore, I think I understand the pent-up anger and frustration. There is never an excuse for violence, but once it took root, I can see how people got caught up in it as they did here in Vancouver. A mob mentality took over, and the damage was done. Behind the riots in Baltimore are obviously far deeper issues than what happened here.
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Good point. Mob mentality. We do see it time and again, often following a big sporting event. Even those celebrating a victory -- sometimes people start throwing things, rocking cars and rolling them over, smashing windows, etc. I never condone violence or causing damage to property, but I can also understand how it can happen, whether it be pent up frustration over injustice after injustice, or rowdy fans with too much booze in them for good sense.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


It's no more fair than lumping all minorities into looters and rioters, yet that seems to be what a lot of people are doing.


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I didn't see that, must have missed it. I saw people calling the criminals responsible for the crimes criminals, and well aware that many people were not participating or were not responsible. The public commended the mother who put a stop to her son's actions. Nobody called her a looter and rioter. They called her a hero.

Math Girl, why was your daughter so afraid something bad would happen to you at the hands of the TSA? That's so sad. They pull people aside all the time, and it usually turns out just fine. That's their job.

I also have TSA pre Check/Global but it doesn't do much when going INTO a country. Mindset is everything, I try to be in the mindset that I could be pulled aside at any time at the airport, but just roll with the punches, it's their job and it'll be fine. I have traveled internationally with children before and I tell them the same. I showed a nervous young traveler this photo once and it calmed him down:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/56919158_9c178af382_m.jpg

Tucker's Mom said...

A couple weeks ago, we went through TSA and I thought they were more relaxed with the hands-on searching.
It was like swipe-swipe, done.
DH's CPAP tends to snag us up though.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

TSA seems way more relaxed to me too. It's been awhile since I've seen them get tense on anyone. Other countries it's hit and miss, some are extremely relaxed practically giving you a cocktail as you walk through some metal detector from 1960, others are much more intense, like when I was questioned for two and a half hours in Tel Aviv.

If it keeps me safe, and it has, I don't care. I've never considered it something to fear, black, white, child, non-Israeli, or otherwise. There are good societal reasons for these things that have nothing to do with trying to oppress people. I was a minority in Israel, but I went into it with a mindset that these people have been through hell and back, and they are well within their rights to have questions for those who are different. I am their guest there only with their permission. I kept an open mind and it turned out just fine, I boarded the plane two minutes before they closed the gate, what matters is I made it.

Math Girl said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 170

Math Girl, why was your daughter so afraid something bad would happen to you at the hands of the TSA? That's so sad. They pull people aside all the time, and it usually turns out just fine. That's their job.
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My daughter is an adult who travels a lot, and is very good at the normal screening procedures. She was really mad at ME for apparently arguing with the TSA people. Basically, she was afraid he would decide I was defying him and punish me for it. Fortunately he realized it was a misunderstanding when he saw the card.

I guess the takeaway for me is to prominently display the pre-check card at all times, and to be prepared to do what the last person tells you, even if the last guy said something different.

The pre-check treatment was on domestic flights. We were treated like we had a NEXUS card, but we don't. After we got home, I looked at a TSA website and couldn't figure out why we got it. Maybe a combination of age and a Canadian passport. Or maybe just age, though we aren't quite old enough to qualify on age alone, according to the TSA website.

It was nice, but it was also confusing, as we are not accustomed to "front of the line" treatment.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Well I've been following the Colorado Shooting trial and cop after cop after cop are testifying and crying over the dead. One guy cried recalling seeing a dead child. Then he was throwing people into his car and taking them to hospital. He had to drive while holding one man from jumping out of the door to go get his little girl who was still there. She was the six year old he had seen previously. All the victims have testified about the cops' heroic actions as well. So....


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That's tragic. They went in there not knowing if they were going to die that day or what they were going to see. They absolutely bolted to the scene and were there within 90 seconds of the call. They threw victims into squad cars and rushed them off to hospitals because they were afraid if they waited for the slower ambulances it would be too late. They saved many more lives by taking down that murderer. Heroes.

Yet, I don't see this news story anywhere. Got buried on pg 6 I guess.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

For Americans' Global entry includes Pre-check, Nexus and Sentri. It's basically a four for one deal. They never told me it would include Nexus and Sentri. Just one day I was approved got the card and it did!

This is the best kept travel deal ever.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 177
For Americans' Global entry includes Pre-check, Nexus and Sentri. It's basically a four for one deal. They never told me it would include Nexus and Sentri. Just one day I was approved got the card and it did!

This is the best kept travel deal ever.
8******
Can you elaborate a bit and maybe provide a link? I'd love to learn more.

Gayle said...

Math girl said...My daughter, who is a white, middle-class female, is totally afraid of police abuse of authority. Imagine how she would feel if she were a young black male?

Why? It seems like an irrational fear to me.

Lanc Native said...

Why? It seems like an irrational fear to me.

******
It might be irrational to you, but totally rational for some. It's not a one size fits all case. I'm afraid of tunnels; some people love to drive through tunnels. Sometimes you just can't explain why you have a fear of this or that. You just do.

"It's Martyr Milo again. I wonder if the appearance of her martyr persona is a cyclical thing."

******
lol! Seems to go in spurts. She's just dying for Kate and others to ask what's wrong, and they just seem to ignore her. No matter how many times she hinted at the poor Milo, holistic center thing, nobody took the bait. The cute animal photos and platitudes seem to be cyclic, too!

"I'd rather just assume jokes came from an innocent place and let ones that go too far roll off me than be perpetually walking on eggshells."

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Yes, and just let it go and move on. It's done, it's over, an apology was offered. No need beating that proverbial dead horse.

The duck parade...
http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/photos-check-out-these-adorable-ducklings-parading-through-lancaster-country/article_e87e841c-eeaf-11e4-9744-57d41401ecd0.html

******
"What? No Kate there whisper-screaming and hand flapping?"

*********************
Nope. No flapping Kate, no counting ducks, no shrieking to see if there were eight of them. What's really funny, though, is that Dale is a big guy, and to see him herding these tiny new-born ducklings always makes me chuckle. It's almost like Gulliver in the land of the Lilliputians.

Mel said...

The TSA thing is so interesting about who gets pulled out of line.

My son gets pulled out every single time. It's so annoying. I think it's because he has long hair and is fairly dark skinned for a white guy. He's so fed up with it that he refuses to fly if at all possible.

I think it's interesting that they choose him, because he is the epitome of traditional values. Graduated magna cum laude from a good college, owns a house, nice wife and kids, good job, decent car, saves for retirement. All the things you're supposed to do. And yet he gets picked to be investigated further every time.

I get pulled fairly often, too, but not as much as him. Old-ish white lady, heavy set....how many fat grandma's are terrorists, anyway? I do wear loose dresses, flat shoes, and a floppy hat. I think it's the floppy hat that sets them off.

Tucker's Mom said...

Mel said... 181
******
It's such a shame your son is deterred from flying.
DH and I are pretty white bread, so we generally get through quickly.

Lanc Native said...

I do wear loose dresses, flat shoes, and a floppy hat. I think it's the floppy hat that sets them off.

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What? No muumuus or crocs? You'll never get pulled if you remember to wear those.

Jane said...

Tucker's Mom said... 182
******
It's such a shame your son is deterred from flying.
DH and I are pretty white bread, so we generally get through quickly.

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Not sure what "pretty white bread" means but I probably fit the bill. I fly regularly, both within and outside the US, have TSA precheck and every single time I'm pulled over, patted down and screened for whatever it is they look for on the palms of my hands. There's nothing in my background that would set off alarms - just a regular kinda gal :)

Blowing In The Wind said...

OMG, Milo! Kate's mentioned in this article! Not trending, but nevertheless, her name is there!

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/tlc-abandoning-freak-show-heart-151041143.html

AuntieAnn said...

SARAH said... 150

Millicent,

Tucker's Mom apologized for the pity f>>K comment. I appreciated that. No need to butt in and as a mother of a son, I sure hope you realize how offensive that phrase and action is.

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Since when is commenting on a comment butting in?

Tucker's Mom said...

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/tlc-abandoning-freak-show-heart-151041143.html

"Yes, Honey Boo Boo is in the rear view mirror. The Gosselin children still appear occasionally, but there's no more divorce drama with Jon and Kate. TLC's latest star, Whitney Thore of "My Big Fat Fabulous Life," is someone to root for."

Yup, like we've said for years, the kids don't have that "aw, so cute!" factor anymore and it was really the dynamic that Jon brought that made the show.
Next!

Tucker's Mom said...

"TLC's ratings have been fairly steady, at least in comparison to the steep drops seen by other cable networks lately. It is averaging 919,000 viewers in prime-time this season, down from 1.05 million four years ago, according to the Nielsen company. The slip is a little more pronounced among the desirable demographic of 18-to-49-year-olds.
"
Exactly what Sue Buddy said.

"In May, TLC is premiering a series on the 14-member Willis clan, who have a country music act that was featured on NBC's "America's Got Talent."

Ah, at least kids with some discernible talent. That's new.

"A new dating series, "Married By Mom and Dad," follows people so unlucky in love they're willing to let their parents set them up."

Too bad Kate kicked her parents to the curb. Maybe they could have set her up for a fake date and thrown the heat off Steve.

Actually, from the article, it seems like TLC has a ton of new shows in the pipeline that are quite varied with more to them than just clown car uteri and vagii canons.

Article here.

Math Girl said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 185
OMG, Milo! Kate's mentioned in this article! Not trending, but nevertheless, her name is there!

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/tlc-abandoning-freak-show-heart-151041143.html
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I'm not quite sure what they're saying about Kate plus 8. Are they implying that they fit with the "freak show" days, but also fit the new TLC image because the divorce is over?

The new image seems to be "programming of family, style and life milestones, that exudes calmness and warmth. " Kate plus 8 may fit family and life milestones, but it misses calmness and warmth by a very large margin.

Tucker's Mom said...

Math Girl said... 189
Blowing In The Wind said... 185
OMG, Milo! Kate's mentioned in this article! Not trending, but nevertheless, her name is there!

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/tlc-abandoning-freak-show-heart-151041143.html
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I'm not quite sure what they're saying about Kate plus 8. Are they implying that they fit with the "freak show" days, but also fit the new TLC image because the divorce is over?

*****
I think the writer is saying that the divorce drama was the huge draw. Well, the tension between J+K was always what made that show, but the divorce episode was explosive in terms of viewers.
Kate will never draw those kind of numbers again. I don't think she'll ever see the amount of filming she once did and TLC will do the occasional "specials".
Which they are-not seasons as Kate insisted on calling it.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate +8 doesn't show much calmness and warmth. Kate really turns it on when they're filming, but she still comes across as a cold fish.
The kids occasionally show warmth, but mostly, the show highlights how spoiled they are.

Blowing In The Wind said...

I'm not quite sure what they're saying about Kate plus 8. Are they implying that they fit with the "freak show" days, but also fit the new TLC image because the divorce is over?

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I wasn't sure about that, either. She's mentioned in the same paragraph as Boo Boo, and that can't be a good thing.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Since when is commenting on a comment butting in?

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It's not. It sounds like someone needs to relax a bit, sit back with a rumspringa and move on. It's finally spring and the veranda is open. Bring out the pink Crocs and floppy hats!

getoftweeter said...

I see Kate is very quiet!. Must be getting ready to go to Kentucky derby or she is already there. You know has to get away from those money making kids. Got to have her every 4-6 week mini vacation.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Today on "Divorce Court," Judge Lynn was admonishing a selfish
guy with 4 kids and suggested he stop having children. I think
her comment to him about parenting would apply to TFW:
"It's all about sacrifice, and not you, not you, not you. You
come 9th on the list when you have a whole bunch of children,
and I don't think you know how to do that."

Tucker's Mom said...

getoftweeter said... 194
I see Kate is very quiet!. Must be getting ready to go to Kentucky derby or she is already there. You know has to get away from those money making kids. Got to have her every 4-6 week mini vacation.
April 30, 2015 at 4:18 PM
*****
Well I'm sure she and Steve will hit up a nice spa in Kentucky.

Sue_Buddy said...

Exactly what Sue Buddy said.
::::

Pretty much, and they're making their little "slip"in ratings sound not so bad. LOL. When they don't show up in to top 100 or are at the bottom of the list that's nothing a celebrate. I wouldn't call that a little slip.I remember some happy horsesh*t they put out last year, something about how great it was to be appealing to the younger set, like under the demographic of 18-49.

""It's kind of a relief to go back to something with a sense of purpose," Kaplan, a veteran Discovery Communications executive who also oversees Animal Planet, said in a later interview. "The further the brand went from being The Learning Channel, the harder it got for people to see the purpose."

Ya think? We'll see what happens. At least they're trying I guess, which surprises me.

Yes, Honey Boo Boo is in the rear view mirror. The Gosselin children still appear occasionally...

It sounds like K+8 will only be doing and special now and again, like intruding on their most private moments; birthdays, holidays, "family" vacations" just as some here have figured out. Kate doesn't exactly "exude calmness and warmth," TLC's new image.

This article is a hoot. Have to read it a couple more times. Laughing is healthy.

TLC stinks said...

So if she's at the Derby, I'd be curious if other celebs who were on CA are there too. Then I would smell comped tickets. I don't see any reason TLC would foot her bill but you never know. She'll do anything to get away from the kids and have her alone time with TFM.

AuntieAnn said...

It's finally spring and the veranda is open. Bring out the pink Crocs and floppy hats!

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We'll have ourselves a piecin' n' patchin' veranda derby party. I'm gonna glue boa feathers around the rim of my floppy hat and polish up my best pair of crocs.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Was there anything in the article about TFW always being the
face of TLC? No? Surely whoever wrote it was a jellus hater.

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