Morty, 91, and Lee Kaufman, 90, are not actors reading a script. They are a real couple from New York. Their daughter knew a casting agent for Swiffer and recommended them for a series of commercials. The couple was cast right away and a film crew was sent over to their home for a two-day shoot. The footage that followed was so adorable and funny they became an overnight sensation. From Morty's "be careful, babe" as Lee steps on a stool to clean with their old mop (aww), to his deadpan "I don't do any cleaning; I make dirt," to their impromptu dances together in the kitchen, to their mutual amazement at how much dirt their new Swiffer mop picks up, this couple has stolen America's hearts.
Lee is a retired teacher and Morty is a retired pharmacist. The Kaufman's love story is just as sweet as it looks. Both widowed young in their early 40's. They met and fell in love when Morty's son Scott was in Lee's summer reading class. They married on Valentine's Day, and they say their respective total of six children blended together well. Morty said the secret to their long marriage is compromise and giving in. "No difference of opinion is that important as to interfere with your love for each other," Morty said.
As for what they think of all this publicity? Morty says people stop them for autographs. "We're having so much fun," he said. Lee said, "It's all very exciting."
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I am too lazy to put an ' in my words, and no sheeple, or anyone else has mentioned it.
I was sure the grammar police would say something.
Now it is just my trademark!
welcome back admin. I agree, the timing of BV departure is very telling. I also know he reads here, because one day when he was spouting off his little man syndrome issues and people here wondered if it was in reference to TFW, he tweeted that it was not. and then he left.
Things that make you go hmmmm.
No not really, I dont have to wonder about little BV man err boy I know what I need to know and that is all that matters.
Maybe TFW got Mr Tow Truck Man to pick up the BBB?
They must be bestest best friends now.....
I watched the link that was posted above. TFW said, "they actually still watch the show on DVD often." She was talking about the tups. WTF.
I agree with Millicent and Rhymes with Witch. Get your colonoscopy and your mammies grammed. Also if you have any questionable moles, freckles or pink spots on your skin, see a dermatologist.
When LOM offers the strainer I think I will throw up. Maybe I will anyway. I should have left that alone. ewww Sorry. I just couldn't help myself. She left it to open.
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She doesn't have a friend or relative in the entire county she could call to drive her there?
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Nope. But the ambulance did see them all lying in the curb on the way to her place.
Aah Karma.
TFW has given TMI.
How many Cookbook authors publicize they have a kidney stone? Or a cyst maybe? How about impacted bowel?
One more reason to choose someone else's cookbook.
Nope. But the ambulance did see them all lying in the curb on the way to her place.
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And under the bus?
"She doesn't have a friend or relative in the entire county she could call to drive her there? I ALMOST feel bad for her all by herself having to phone an ambulance for herself and ride there all by herself without even so much as a boyfriend to follow behind her with the car."
ALMOST. Exactly what I was thinking. How sad to have no one to call but an ambulance. Based on my experience with DH and a microscopic kidney stone, I rather doubt Supermom was back at the bus stop 8 hours later. Good thing she has that 20 hour/week not an employee. Did the ambulance pick her up at the bus stop?
And speaking of ambulances, what kind of health insurance does an unemployed mom of 8 have for herself and 8 children? That must cost a pretty penny.
Yeah I know, I know. An ambulance can't see. I meant to say the ambulance driver. Sheesh.
Milo kept on asking her about how she got to the ER, but seems she wasn't at all curious as to how she got home from the ER, Maybe she assumes that the BBB has magical powers just like Kate and it followed the ambulance to the hospital all on its own,
Kate probably had her help pick her up in the BBB and the helper then drove with Kate in the BBB to pick up the kids. Kate said she was at the bus stop to pick up the kids, but she didn't say she drove there. She was probably passed out in the passenger seat. Just a little lie of omission implying that she alone picked up the kids.
I refuse to call an ambulance. When I had appendicitis I moaned and groaned all day by myself as the pain got worse. I was waiting til my ex brought my dd home. Then I finally called my mom who drove me in. When I had a kidney stone I was single and drove myself. They misdiagnosed me as constipated and gave me an emena. The next day I was literally rolling on the floor in pain as my roommate's boyfriend and my boyfriend ran out to get fiber for me. Then my bf drove me back to the hospital and it was a stone. I got a shot in the butt and was STONED. No way could I drive; I could barely walk straight. I went to my mom who stayed with me all night and even bathed me, at 23 or so in warm water. It is soooo sad that TFW doesn't have anyone to call to help her.
I have had many kidney stones--some passed in the hospital, probably because of the IV fluids given during the IVP test. I have had 2 basket surgeries and lithotripsy. I can confirm that, unless there is a documented history of kidney stones in your hospital record, you will not get pain meds until the diagnosis is confirmed. My first one happened while I was nursing, and I had become dehydrated. I haven't had one for 10 years now, and the only difference is that I push fluids and only have one cup of coffee a day. The pain is horrific, and I would absolutely not be able to drive myself in that condition.
This would be such a ridiculous thing to make up, but, I guess anything is possible.
Kidney stones are also associated with anorexia. She needs to get help, sooner rather than later.
So Kate drove the kids to the bus stop, went to the ER, passed a kidney stone, and was all better in time to pick up the kids in the afternoon!! What a SuperMom!!
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LOL, supermom indeed...Anyone who's had one of these, like me, will know that sounds like a weird story. But I guess it's possible, if it was itty bitty and moved right along quickly.
Mine wasn't itty bitty by any means, but the pain (which is indescribable) lessened a great deal by the time I got to the ER because the stone had moved down some. It was still there and taking its time when I left and so they gave me a shot of Demerol to help with pain as it moved along at home(which knocks you out, basically). Sounds like she had a "quick mover" with little residual pain if she was there and then back at the bus stop late in the day.
Not that any of us should be so vested in her kidneys, lol - but the pain is so intense that it always captures attention by those who've had them.
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I agree, the timing of BV departure is very telling. I also know he reads here, because one day when he was spouting off his little man syndrome issues and people here wondered if it was in reference to TFW, he tweeted that it was not. and then he left.
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Actually, a non-fan (I believe) tweeted him and asked him point blank if it was about Kate.
It's probably a good thing this kidney stone waited until after the whirlwind media tour was finished before showing up. I can picture Steve trying to wrestle it to the ground.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4m
Sigh,I slept in (aka went back to sleep after bus run) this am to catch up after yesterday's drama& now I'm wide awake.. #countingsheep #zzz
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Kate is counting sheep! LOL!
Library agree, the story sounds a bit off or at the very least unusual. I also found it a bit odd she sat there and decided to call an ambulance of her own accord.
Your first kidney stone you don't know what it is. Usually it ends up being someone else who has to tell you there's a problem.
Like I said I just kind of assumed okkkay guess I'm having some BAD cramps. I drove myself to just a little campus clinic thinking I'll get some advil 500mg. Usually it's the doctor, a friend or family member who says honey this could be very serious we've got to get you to a real hospital/ambulance. A clinic that doles out cough medicine and birth control ain't gonna cut it.
Both my stones were only 1mm, as tiny as they come. They both wiped me out for days. There's no way I could drive for at least a day or two afterward and I went home, puked a few times and slept for a couple days. The doctor said the jagged edges are actually more significant than the size itself. Her lack of details and lack of similar experiences to people who have really had one is off. If she weren't such a consistent liar, why even today that new interview about how SHE does the drop offs and pick ups when Jon just described how HE does them all, I wouldn't question everything so much.
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@Kateplusmy8 believe me..I think I am more excited for u to read it! Its such an honour! Pls let me know what u think! Maybe a testimonial?
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Kate, for gosh sakes, read this darn book and put this woman out of her misery. She's going to be on pins and needles, pestering you until you finally give this book a thumbs up.
OT, Obama-care on Jon Stewart tonight.
Um, um, he says what i as a Canadian feels.
ps, jon, stop making me laugh when i have cracked ribs!!!
franky
He can't call Jodi or Kevin, can't probably even call his mom because Kate will complain.
So are you saying Jon would quit his job to pick up a sick child rather than let his mother/brother/friend do it? Because Kate would 'complain'?? Could you explain further because this isn't making sense to me. If true, then Jon is a bigger dummy than I originally thought.
I have to chime in, even though none of my biz, but Kate Irene Gosselin, there is no way you passed had or birthed a stone of any kind without a strong shot or p pill or some really strong divine intervention.
And then are you say'n u were allowed to leave the hospital or clinic office or whaveva alone if you received p meds by shot or mouth?
Much less DRIVE a vehicle? It is a state, and maybe a federal law, and a hospital policy, that someone has to vouch for you if you receive any p meds at the ER in my state. Then security or police are right THERE to make sure you don't get in a car to drive. They have cameras and video. They WILL stop you.
With p meds you have to sign a waiver at check in & out that you are not driving, and won't drive, when you leave. You can drive in, just not away if you were given p meds.
Designated driver must come in to facility, show their DL, including taxi cab drives or car services!
What really happened Kate? ....just color me stunned that you would incriminate yourself without thinking twice about what you said if that is how you meant it.
My 85 year old mommy as I call her, even though I am old too, somehow did 3 spins in the middle of the room, and fell flat down, face first on the hardwood floor Sunday afternoon. She kept wearing these old beat up around the house, open toe vinyl shoes, with a slight heal, that I told her were unsafe looking, but she loved them. Hard to reason with seniors who are attached to things.
After she went spinning the shoes were slippery as she had put SCOTCH tape on the bottom and I did not know it, it was watching someone fall on an ice rink. She is busted up bad, eyes, head, all in her face, and she fractured 2 ribs, and was bleeding from face, hand and arm. Knocked breath from her.
They held her at the ER for hours and she was screaming at them to please give her something for the pain. Crying, begging, and so was I, and my family, and it was as if they, staff and doctors, were turning a deaf ear. 3 HOURS later, a nurse came in and finally gave her a pill. I asked what it was and she said tram a doll.(Misspelled on purpose) I was sooooo stunned and mad. I told her I bet the doc would not give that to himself if he fell face first. lol I really was mad. I had to shut up, cause she thought about taking it back.
Mostly it's a vet drug, weak. Worse rx ever for someone who is swelling and bruised like she was. Like aspirin, but worse.
It took several more hours to finally get her on a floor, late Sunday night, get her admitted, before she was FINALLY given 1 decent p pill.
Then, the next morning she started to finally get the good stuff in shots after a whole bunch of tests. She will be in the hospital for a while. Biggest risk and scare now, pneumonia from the ribs cracked.
She is mostly holistic, but not Sunday. she was begging.
The reason I mention all this, is you can't just waltz in, get a p shot or p pill and say thanks ya'll, see ya later! Those days are long gone and my mom is at a top rated Level 1 Trauma Hospital in the country.
No one should lead others to believe a stone or Dr office, ER, Clinic is like nothing, and you pass by, stop, get a quick pill or shot, and back on your way. NO NO NO
And she is a nurse, right? I am truly sorry if you did pass a stone KG, as it is very painful. And I pray you are better now. But! You are going to have to start eating better and get on a healthy diet of some real meat, chicken and veggies to help prevent stones.
I had some simple outpatient tests done a couple years back and I felt well and really wanted to just drive myself home and call off my ride who was knocking off work to get me. My doctor said he wasn't permitted to discharge me without my ride signing off. He said I was considered legally intoxicated if I got behind the wheel and if I were pulled over I could be charged with a DUI. I can't imagine anyone with a kidney stone not getting some heavy drugs. To be up and driving eight kids around a mere hours later is highly suspicious, and if true, very dangerous.
Hate to nit pic but here's question. No friends,had to call an ambulance for herself, how the heck did she even get home? Not a nanny in one of the 3 cars? Ambulance service does not return you usually. What a fog of mystery. If she would only quit the Twitter, none of this nonsense would surface, would it?
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If she weren't such a consistent liar
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And this, my fellow posters (also the few sheeple/shit stirrers & tfw) is the one and only reason we pick apart EVERY SINGLE THING SHE SAYS!
I've only known one person who has had kidney stones so my experience is null. BUT what I witnessed was exactly as you all have described. To see a large man drop to his knees? Over a tiny little stone? She herself must be made of stone if it all went down like she said
Never had a kidney stone (yet) but from everyone's descriptions, no way did she recover so quickly. And why would anyone tweet private news like that anyway? Maybe she made the kidney stone story up to cover up some other reason she had to go to the ER? Or maybe she made it up hoping one of the gossip internet sites would publish it?
I have to wonder if the kids know a lie from the truth in that household.
Wwith you local....
I had an ovarian cyst rupture and hemmorraged at 22.
walked to hospital, 5 days later walked out, 9 inch scar a reminder of my surgery.
Ambulances are for immediate life or death.
franky
Per everyone's comments about getting drugs at the hospital. I was given NOTHING for my kidney stones. I passed them while in the ER. I was given a prescription for Vicodin for when I got home. My husband had driven me there and then took me home. I was completely wiped out but in no more pain after they passed.
Meagler said... 200
TFW said her kidney stone resolved on its own.
She didnt have time for a kidney stone, so she willed it away.
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Of course she had no choice except to will it away herself because the doctor probably didn’t know how to help her. I wonder what type of patient she is.
? Maybe she made the kidney stone story up to cover up some other reason she had to go to the ER?
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Clearly she hasn't read the Celebrity PR handbook. When you're trying to cover up the real reason you went to the ER, you say you were "hospitalized for exhaustion"!
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Maybe she made the kidney stone story up to cover up some other reason she had to go to the ER? Or maybe she made it up hoping one of the gossip internet sites would publish it?
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ding ding ding- I think you've hit the nail on the head!
Lol admin, "exhaustion". Code for drug/alcohol detox?
Wait a minute. Did TFMJG actually SAY she made a trip by ambulance to the ER; passed a stone; somehow found her way home again; then used her Supermom Superpowers to somehow, some way, get behind the wheel of the BBB to go pick up the kids that she, and only she, is the sole support of, because she does it all all alone with NO help at all (except for 20 hrs a week)? If she actually said that, then I call BS on her story. If we're just assuming she did that, then you know what that says, although I'd say the ASS is more U (TFMJG) than ME (15)!
If she called a whaambulance to get there, I wonder how she got home? Stevo?
So are you saying Jon would quit his job to pick up a sick child rather than let his mother/brother/friend do it? Because Kate would 'complain'??
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Schools are incredibly strict now about who can pick up children. Your name MUST be on the release to list or they absolutely will not turn the child over to that person. No buts about it. If Kate refused to allow Jodi, Kevin, other relatives or friends to be on the "release to" list, Jon couldn't ask them to help out even if he wanted to. He didn't tell us every last detail of that story nor was he obligated to. We don't know that he may have made a dozen phone calls trying to work this out before resorting to leaving his job. In typical Jon fashion it just makes for a more dramatic story to cut straight to the chase--he was the only parent around to pick up his sick child and he was fired for it. The POINT of his story was to say that Kate sort of just had no consideration for him, his job or the fact that he was out of town. That she was out of town TOO, but that HE was the one to make the sacrifice and come home, not her. It was a slam at Kate, the way I took it. Between the two of them when asked to leave something important, I think he was trying to say he was the one to do it. I wouldn't blame him for wanting that out there since Kate tries to act like super parent all the time. I took that comment as, you know what hey wait a minute let me give you an example of when *I* was super parent and SHE was not. I get it.
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"They held her at the ER for hours and she was screaming at them to please give her something for the pain. Crying, begging, and so was I, and my family, and it was as if they, staff and doctors, were turning a deaf ear. 3 HOURS later, a nurse came in and finally gave her a pill."
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Although it is terrible that your mother had to suffer for three hours the reason she was giving Tramadol instead of a Dilaudid or Demerol is because with a head injury, if there is increasing cranial pressure narcotics actually make it increase more. In the ER I work we never give a strong pain med for head injuries until we receive a clear CT scan report and as long as the patient hasn't had a change in mental status for at least 2-3 hours.
As far as the birth of the kidney stone goes, in our facility we give Ketoroloc (Toradol) which actually works better for kidney stones than a narcotic does. While I cannot say 100% that Kate is lying the tweets she posted just do not add up. I have seen grown men on the floor crying because of kidney stones. We typically see patients back with in a day or two who have been diagnosed with kidney stones because they are miserable with the pain. Of course we are talking Kate who wills herself to get better so she can be super mom.
Someone asked what Kate may be like as a patient? I would think she is more of a b*tch than usual. Didn't some of the nurses who took care of her when she was on her 600 year bed rest with the tups says she was a difficult patient? Or maybe it was in Kate's journal.
Kidney stones are also associated with anorexia.
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Yes they are. When I had mine I wasn't anorexic in the sense that I had body image issues, however I was very underweight from stress. I don't normally get stressed but at that time it really hit me hard for the first time and my appetite just went away. I wasn't thirsty much either. Things were just not jiving with my body and I believe the stones were a result of that. Once I got up to a healthier weight, increased water and cut out a few things, I never had a problem with stones again, knock on wood.
Oh my the drama! First a "broken foot" now a "kidney stone"! And with 8 kids! How does she do it all?!? Oh, right, not-a-nanny does it all and she locks herself in her room with a bottle of wine. I got it now.
TFW, go ahead, get your tweetie adulation fix. It will only last for so long, and when it's over, you still won't be back on TV.
I can confirm that, unless there is a documented history of kidney stones in your hospital record, you will not get pain meds until the diagnosis is confirmed.
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Sort of, for me. I got meds BEFORE the diagnosis was confirmed, before I had the actual x-ray. But I only got meds when the actual doctor talked to me and asked some questions and said he THOUGHT it was a stone and was willing to start a morphine drip right then. It wasn't official until he looked at the X-ray some 45 minutes later.
It was an agonizing two or three hours from the time the severe mind numbing pain hit until I actually got to the hospital and talked to the doctor. Wouldn't wish it on anyone. The second time, I got them the moment I walked into Urgent Care.
Just for the fun of it, in light of Milo's claims that the book was HOT but now suffering due to a handful of negative reviews, I checked out the Novelrank numbers. As of today, Novelrank shows a total of 949 books sold. This is after 6 months of pre-sales and one month available for direct sale (and a book tour). Going by the formula of one-half to two-thirds of sales comign from other sources, TFW has probably sold about 1425-1575 books, total. That's frightening. And it begs the question--Milo, at what point was the book "HOT"? Did we blink and miss it? Because it sure doesn't look too hot when you add up the sales numbers.
You guys are so smart figuring out her kidney stone story was bogus. Since I never experienced that, I would not have guessed.
I think she was afraid someone would tweet they saw her in the ER. She knows the doc and hospital would never admit to why she was there, IF she was there.
What ailment is next for TFW? The possibilities are endless. My
personal favorite is goiter. 180
OOPS! I meant gout.
Layla-just want to let you and everyone else who checks the Novel Rank sales, that there are 2 Novel Rank pages. One for the hardcover edition and one for the Kindle edition. She has sold 68 Kindle editions, so her Amazon sales are a little over 1000.
This is the Novel Rank page for Kindle sales:
http://www.novelrank.com/asin/B00FAUJA0G
This is the one for hardcover sales:
http://www.novelrank.com/asin/0757317642
Layla-just want to let you and everyone else who checks the Novel Rank sales, that there are 2 Novel Rank pages. One for the hardcover edition and one for the Kindle edition. She has sold 68 Kindle editions, so her Amazon sales are a little over 1000. \
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And this is where this "career" gets really silly. A thousand book sales. Profit on each book, a couple of bucks, tops? Se we're talking a couple thousand bucks in her pocket for all this trouble over all these months. This would be a small victory for a hobbiest author, but is no career. And, this is before taxes. In one month, she could have made double, even triple that on an average nurse's salary. Plus benefits. What's really the most logical, stable career choice?
Kate is a twit said... 44
She has sold 68 Kindle editions, so her Amazon sales are a little over 1000.
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Does anyone else have a hard time believing she actually sold over a thousand copies? I think the only way she could have sold that many is if she bought 900 copies herself.
I too work in healthcare, in the ED, and have seen many, many kidney stone patients. I have never heard nor seen a patient in acute pain from a suspected stone denied pain meds. Never. A trained healthcare provider can spot the kidney stone writhe a mile away. It can not be faked. Many have passed out from the pain. The 2 ED's I have worked in have a standard IV cocktail that is administered almost immediately. The stories about no pain meds being given, I can only believe there were extenuating circumstances not given here.
PAIN MEDS GIVEN
I agree with those who commented Kate would not be able to drive to the bus stop in that time frame if her story is true. Let's say she got to the ER by 8 AM. Then she would wait, insurance & info taken, be examined, have preliminary tests and assessment ( vital signs, complaint noted by nurse, general physical exam, history taken, blood, urine, internal/rectal exams, IV started ) Then an abd X-ray or specialized test- IVP or US would be booked. The wait for these can be hours- then waiting for the results. Pain med, maybe by 11 AM? If she really had a stone ,probably would receive a second dose later or a drip. Diagnosis explained, wait for stone and catch in that sieve ..Instructions and follow-up made. NO way would she be discharged , ready to drive and tweet in time to pick up the kids. ERs and hospitals are not in and out and on your merry way.
Would she defrost a 'Mommy Meal' for this occasion? Or make the packaged mac and cheese with frozen peas and canned tuna? ( * In the photo of the latter, it is in a red casserole dish, not a pot, with regular macaroni, extra cheese, and seasoning, possibly onion too...)
Kate is a Twit (44)
Thank you for reminding me! I totlly forgot about the Kindle sales, Still, her total sales are maybe 1500-1600, and that's pathetic! I'd be embarrassed it I were TFW. Her end goal, however, is not to have a best-selling book. It's to land herself a new show, and she sure is trying. She seems to be ignoring the fact that, while she's begging on every available venue for that show, her book sales numbers are showing everyone just how unpopular she really is. She can manipulate her site counter and buy twitter followers, but the cruise and this book are putting the truth out there, loud and clear. She has no audience.
I just thought of somehting--TFW hurt her foot (whether blisters or a broken toe) just before the Baltimore festival. But when she darted off the stage and into the signing tent, she wasn't limping. This would have been immediately after the injury. So, what is the truth? Does she have blisters or a broken toe? I'm thinking that she didn't actually break anythng. The RnR Vegas marathon is next month, and she may have been dumped by RnR. Rather than admit that she was fired or they aren't sponsoring her, she fakes/exaggerates a foot injury and passes that off as the reason she's not running.
Okay, I was going nuts (nuttier? LOL) because I didn't recall Jon saying he quit his job or that he was fired because he took off to pick up and take care of a sick kid. So -- I looked up the Dads round table interview and reread it. Jon didn't say he quit and he didn't say he was fired. This is what he said: "There were times I left work in New Jersey, drove 5 hours to the school to pick up my sick kid, and kept them all day because my former wife was out of town and I was the emergency contact." No quit, no fire. It's fun to snark and speculate and gossip, but we need to stick to facts when they are out there. Otherwise we're chasing ghost bunnies down the rabbit hole. There's more than enough material out there to put TFMJG in a bad light without becoming Sheeple-like and manufacturing it.
Sorry. I don't mean to come off as pedantic or sound like I'm trying to lecture posters here. I just think we need to acknowledge the information as it is out there, and not as we wish it is.
Sorry, I forgot the link. http://dadsroundtable.com/?s=jon+gosselin
I also meant to say, that Jon may very well have quit or been fired for taking off to care for sick kids. Unfortunately, it happens, all too often, although it's usually the mother who gets backed into a corner and has to make those choices , and not the father. However, Jon didn't say either of those things happened, or at least I didn't interpret his comments as saying that. He did make it clear what his choice would be if it came down to it, though, and I have to respect his feelings.
What's really the most logical, stable career choice?
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Which brings us full circle. Logic and stability have nothing to do with it. She wants a high-paying, high-profile, low-work job on tv. Nothing else. The crapbook was only a means to that end; and with that she sold under 1,000 titles and had a whirlwind tour of NJ and Canada. Plus had to suffer a 'broken' foot and a kidney stone. The calendar for next week is blank.
Why would she tweet such an intimate health issue? Isn't anything private anymore? Is this common with well-known persons?
She exaggerates and embellishes. A broken toe or blister turned into a broken foot. Perhaps the "kidney stone" was cystitis (bladder infection) and she reported it was a stone because she could describe it as horrific pain. Who knows what does on in her head?
Bitchy thanks for finding that. I just took what people were saying at face value.
On the contrary I think the OP was trying to make Jon look bad by saying he quit/was fired from his job to be the emergency contact, and that he should have had a better plan in place. I'm relieved that was not the case whatsoever.
All he was saying is look I had my obligations and my work but *I* was the parent who dropped everything and drove 5 hours, not Kate. I don't blame the guy for wanting to set the record straight since Kate has been painting herself as the only parent who really puts the kids first (practically HER WORDS). The reality is when push comes to shove JON is the one to make the sacrifices for the kids while she flutters off to Mexico or LA or wherever she was that time. Thanks for clearing that up, Jon.
I've had kidney stones also, but fortunately they've always been small enough that I was able to pass them without going to the emergency room. It is still very painful to pass one. TFW's cookbook is currently for sale and she's twittering this episode regarding her kidney stone. I don't believe this will increase her sales. I agree with everyone that something is off regarding her kidney stone rendition of this episode and how she managed to pick her children up after going to the hospital for treatment (most likely given drugs), even if she passed the stone. I have tremendous sympathy for everyone who has/had kidney stones. I have family members who ended up in the hospital because they couldn't pass them also. But considering TFW's story of going to the hospital in an ambulance, being released, being able to magically get home and was then able to drive from her home to pick her children up from school, just doesn't doesn't make sense.
Admin, I didn't know that spinach also can contribute to kidney stones. I cut out caffeine and I drink a lot of water, but I do eat a lot of baby spinach in salads, soups, pasta dishes, etc. I'll have to look into this further so I'm not eating something that may contribute to additional kidney stones.
And remember when TFW made that comment on twitter? Something about HCI racing to order more books because supposedly books were just flying off the shelves? Was that a lie too? Never mind, don't answer that.
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And it begs the question--Milo, at what point was the book "HOT"? Did we blink and miss it? Because it sure doesn't look too hot when you add up the sales numbers.
URL yes. Of the kind of stones that are related to diet (calcium oxalate stones, which are most stones), the calcium oxalate build-up can come from food itself. Spinach contains high levels of oxalate. So do berries, nuts, and grains. The problem is these foods are generally healthy for you, but if you are very prone to stones you have to be careful your diet isn't relying too heavily on them.
I love spinach but I'm careful to "rotate" my spinach. This seems to help. For instance, I never buy spinach week after week. I'll buy it one week, then switch to other greens for the next two to three weeks and no spinach at all, then back to spinach. I also don't eat nuts and berries on a daily basis. Always a few days on, several days off. Hopefully, this prevents buildup.
That said, there are always some professionals out there who disagree with how strong a role my doctor believes food plays. But I think there are enough success stories from people who have changed their diets to show there's some correlation.
Kate tweeted that her kids are obsessed with Full House. Now she's back and forth with Kimmy Gibbler, (Andrea Barber) who tweeted that she liked Kate's show. Kate is giddy with celebrity name-dropping. Now the sheeple will be tweeting her...they do have a penchant for butting in on conversations.
Cristina Rich @Sienna_Star
@LakeRat2014 @Kateplusmy8 @andreabarber Yes it was very cute & sad cuz the girls watch old movies of their mom when she was alive.
czapalac @czapalac
@Kateplusmy8 @andreabarber my 9 yr old twin boys love you!! I showed them pics of all you now...they said you looked just the same! :)
Kara Greeley @OfficialKG
Obsessed with the fact that @Kateplusmy8 and @andreabarber had a conversation on here!
Several people have mentioned that TFW said she picked up the kids AFTER her ER visit. Where did she say that? I did not see that tweet. I read her tweet that she dropped the kids off at the bus and THEN went to the ER. She is a lying liar who lies, but I think we need to make sure our comments are accurate.
Uh-oh...
Holly Upton @daisygirl2650
@Kateplusmy8 If you had me a birthday gift next month on the 21st what would it be
Holly Upton @daisygirl2650
@Kateplusmy8 I have your house address if i send you a letter will you look for it
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Several people have mentioned that TFW said she picked up the kids AFTER her ER visit. Where did she say that? I did not see that tweet. I read her tweet that she dropped the kids off at the bus and THEN went to the ER. She is a lying liar who lies, but I think we need to make sure our comments are accurate.
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Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 15h
Thanks for all your well wishes re my kidney stone issue. It resolved on its own&I was at bus stop to pick up my kids by the aft #Iwaslucky
Stone her please said... 198
...Hope she has good health insurance. I predict in about a month or so we might hear screams reverberating from Wernersville when she gets the bills in the mail, particularly the one for her share of the ambulance ride.
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Not to worry. She will just write a letter to the state insisting that they pick up the tab for her medical care because she is a state treasure and the mom of 8, count 'em, 8 kids who can't possibly be expected to pay for any of her medical care on her own.
She also said the next day she was taking the kids to the ortho, and also that she made one of her soups from the cookbook.
Trust me, you're wiped out at least 2 or 3 days if not more. The last thing you want to do is labor over a hot stove over some homemade soup--you don't want to do anything but order take out.
I guess Kate is the first person in the history of kidney stones to bounce back like it was just a paper cut. I wish I had her strength.
Thanks, Tweet-le. I didn't see that.
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I guess what I was trying to say was that, and I could be wrong so if I am please correct me, but Kate could have had it written into the divorce decree, under the heading of child custody, that she has the right to veto any babysitter Jon is considering having watch his kids.
Yes, I think quitting your job if you have to take care of a sick kid is extreme but with 8 kids it's not beyond the realm of possibility that they pass along viruses and if one goes down eventually all 8 go down. That's a lot of sick time to have to take off, especially in an IT type of job but any job really. If he worked hard in court to have the right of first refusal he may not want to jeopardize that by saying no to many times.
Sadly, Kate seems to hold a lot of the cards where child custody is concerned and probably is using it to try and exert some control over Jon. Jon has maybe made a decision not to engage her in those types of games.
But please bear in mind this is all speculation on any of our parts, really. We simply don't know the circumstances. The point that some have made that Jon is flighty and a dreamer and can't hold a job for any significant length of time because he's a flake may be just as valid. There are no rights or wrong here. It's all just speculation until we here it from either Jon or Kate and their statements are verified by an independent third party.
Several people have mentioned that TFW said she picked up the kids AFTER her ER visit. Where did she say that? I did not see that tweet. I read her tweet that she dropped the kids off at the bus and THEN went to the ER. She is a lying liar who lies, but I think we need to make sure our comments are accurate.
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She said that she dropped her kids off at the bus stop. After thirty minutes of pain, she called an ambulance. Spent time in the ER and picked up her kids at the bus stop in the afternoon:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
Thanks for all your well wishes re my kidney stone issue. It resolved on its own&I was at bus stop to pick up my kids by the aft #Iwaslucky
I'm going with cystitis becoming a twitter kidney stone. Blister became a broken foot. It all makes sense now :-). And the crazy wannabe author has her home address? This is what she encourages, and then it goes to a scary place. She is such a fool.
Admin, thank you for your answer. I didn't even know about nuts, which I eat as a regular snack instead of sugary snacks, thinking nuts are better for me. While I love berries, I don't eat them as often as spinach and nuts. I will definitely do some research into this. If nothing else, maybe TFW's kidney stone episode will educate others, as well as herself, as to some preventative measures to help or prevent recurrent kid kidney stones. It also doesn't matter what age you are regarding kidney stones.
It also doesn't matter what age you are regarding kidney stones.
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Nope! I was 23 when I got my first!
It resolved on its own&I was at bus stop to pick up my kids by the aft #Iwaslucky
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what does "it resolved on it's own" mean?
Kimmie likes TFW? Oh Gibler, where did we go wrong??
OT big time.
I stumbled on this article about Kim Kardashian and wanting a Star on the Walk of Fame. Some of the remarks struck home to me in elation to Kate and reality shows. Here's the cut/paste of the article from Foxnews.com
I love the line ".... really aren't deserving". Ha Ha.
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"If Kim Kardashian is eagerly waiting for a coveted star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, she probably shouldn't hold her breath.
The elite organization said the reality star won't be getting the recognition anytime soon, despite claims from her rapper boyfriend, Kanye West, that she has earned the right to have one.
"We don't have a category for reality stars on the Walk of Fame," spokeswoman Ana Martinez told the New York Daily News.
And why not? Well, what they do isn't really deserving, she said.
“They’re not giving a performance, it’s just them going through their daily lives and rituals on TV,” she said. “We honor people who’ve acted in or directed or produced an award-winning show or film. And it’s the same with music, people who maybe have gold records.”
West declared that Kardashian should get a star during a recent appearance on "Jimmy Kimmel Live."
But Martinez said though it was nice that West was advocating for Kardashian, it simply isn't going to happen.
“I understand that Kanye loves his girlfriend, but that’s not the way to go about getting a star – on national TV without checking into whether or not she qualifies, which she does not,” Martinez said."
Here's the link to the article http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/10/17/hollywood-walk-fame-to-kim-kardashian-dont-have-star-for/
OrangeCrusher1 said... 68
I'm going with cystitis becoming a twitter kidney stone. Blister became a broken foot. It all makes sense now :-). And the crazy wannabe author has her home address? This is what she encourages, and then it goes to a scary place. She is such a fool.
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On Kate's Twitter T/L there is the pesky author whose name is Nicole. The girl who says she has Kate's address and is asking for Kate to sign a book is Holly. She's the developmentally challenged girl and is on a tweeting frenzy at the moment.
Never had a kidney stone. But have seen people with them, pain is excruciating. For one person I know, that person was given lots of intravenous fluids and all the extra fluid helped the stone pass.
Personal experience with gall stones was VERY painful! Worst was when gall stone blocked my bile duct, horrendous pain that was only relieved when doctor did endoscopy and physically moved the stone. Son after I had my gall bladder removed, and the post op pain was a breeze compared to what I had during a gall bladder attack.
Fun stories of medical problems, we are a bunch of old ladies in muu muus and crocs! Next let's talk about fiber!
(its more interesting than TFMJG)
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Well, my story about my first stone goes back 20+ years so hopefully things have changed. but I am telling the truth; I was vomiting and writhing and almost blacking out with the pain and oculd not lie down on the gurney.. I kind of resent your implication that I am not being truthful, as well as the others who experienced the same. I also am a nurse, and worked for a couple of years in a downtown hospital in an unsavory area- people were often suspected of faking stone symptoms to get drugs and were either tested or given a very low dose of Demerol. On other occasions, with a proven history of stones, yes, I was medicated.
Full House is on so often here I would not bother buying the DVDs, personally.
Read Jodie Sweetin's memoir- terribly sad.
Still reading yesterday's news (the kidney stone), so am not fully up to date. I belly laughed at some of the comments. Now that TFW knows she should have described the pain to give credence, she will surely comply.
Back to reading now.
Which brings us full circle. Logic and stability have nothing to do with it. She wants a high-paying, high-profile, low-work job on tv.
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I would go a step further and say she wants a high-paying, high-profile job on tv....that simply follows her around while she vacations. That's not any work at all.
As far as her kidney stone, I bet it was a bladder infection...just like her blister turned into a broken/fractured foot.
she's the lying liar who lies....
trees broken?
stuffed easter eggs?
wrapped christmas gifts?
tries to keep the peace?
runs?
please.
I haven't read everything yet, but I just have to ask the obvious. Kate said she went to the hospital in an ambulance, so she could not have driven one of her 3 cars home. She either called a taxi, or was picked up. I don't know whether she said she received pain meds at all. As I said, they usually are withheld until the diagnosis is confirmed. If she had an IVP iodine contrast test to confirm the diagnosis, the large amounts of fluid that are pushed in the procedure can cause the stone to move to a place that is not painful, or may have caused it to pass. People can pass stones and never know that they had it. I had 3 stones seen during an ultrasound for something else, that were not there several years later. Which means that they passed through without symptoms.
Just because someone else has a different experience doesn't automatically mean that TFW is lying. I know that there isn't much else to talk about, but this is just silly.IMHO, of course.
Vanessa said...
The stories about no pain meds being given, I can only believe there were extenuating circumstances not given here
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You can think what you like Vanessa, but it is the policy of some hospitals to withhold pain meds until there is medical evidence, such as the presence of blood and other indicators in a simple urine test. I live in an urban area, and went to teaching hospitals that served many uninsured and indigent people, so that may explain the difference. Private hospitals or ones located in rural or small towns may not have that policy because there aren't as many drug addicts walking in the door.
So, I will amend my statement to: The hospital may have a standing policy that pain meds are withheld until diagnosis is confirmed. The only reason I posted this was so that people would understand why they were not offered medication immediately.
Just because someone else has a different experience doesn't automatically mean that TFW is lying. I know that there isn't much else to talk about, but this is just silly.IMHO, of course.
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True, but Kate said her pain was "horrific" and
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 16h
@Kateplusmy8 HaHa...hubs says 2me..."See, I told U...it hurts so bad!" #KidneyStonePain...officially #Verified by KATE! :)
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Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 14h
@MiloandJack (worse than labor)
So, this rings true with those who've shared that the pain is tremendous. And she didn't get pain meds? Really?
Able to quick get home and then drive tot he bus stop?
Not believing it.
Worse than labor, but she bucked up and refused pain meds?
Nah...
IMHO, of course.
All I can go on is that she said she was in "horrific" pain, so it seems to me that she bounced back a little too quickly for it to have been a stone, but it's fun to guess why in world she would tweet such a thing.
The cystitis is funny considering she just spent a bunch of time with Steve.
BOOK SALES : Aren't 2,000 books sold a negative. Unless HCI published her book Kate will be getting a bill from the hospital and HCI.
I wonder if Kate will be charged for her 2 week vacation book tour with Steve.
KIDNEY STONES: I had a kidney stone 10 years ago. It was so painful, I couldn't sit, stand or lay down and vomiting. I spent the whole day at the hospital. Her story doesn't add up, but what else is new.
KIMMIE: I understand that yesteryear and present celebrities know who Kate is but I wonder if they know what she is!
Sorry for different topics but lots going on here!
My daughter had her first kidney stone at age 16. We had no idea what was wrong, except that she was in excruciating pain. Scared the death out of me.
Pain meds could not be offered until a diagnosis was made, according to hospital policy. This was in a suburban area. She was clearly not faking anything to get drugs.
It must vary from place to place how it's handled.
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@Kateplusmy8 I want to make your turkey Pot Pie from your cookbook,but in a smaller amount-it's for Ashley & I-can you give me some tips?
Head meeting wall yet again. How about you try cutting the measurements in half. Oh, wait....nevermind.
Fun stories of medical problems, we are a bunch of old ladies in muu muus and crocs! Next let's talk about fiber!
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lol!! If Kate went to Urgent Care or the ER for a constipation issue, would she tweet about an explosive enema she was given? I guess kidney stones just sounds a bit more serious and glamorous somehow, although I really don't see the point of her tweeting about it at all (other than sympathy).
Is it really important how she got home from the ER or what meds she was given, if any? Why would we care? To go on and on about hospital policy, if she took a cab home or someone picked her up just seems to echo Gladys Kravitz!
I will amend my statement to be: "unless there is a documented history of kidney stones in your hospital record, you MAY not get pain meds until the diagnosis is confirmed, or strongly indicated by the presence of blood in the urine." So it may be the case that some of the people here think they received pain meds before the confirmation via IVP iodine contrast, when, in fact, they tested positive for blood in the urine--a very simple dipstick test that gives instant results).
Many hospitals, especially in large teaching hospitals and urban area, will not prescribe pain meds without that confirmation because they serve a large population of indigent, uninsured and addicted populations.
What bothers me is that when someone reports a different experience, it is immediately seized upon as a lie, or "there must have been extenuating circumstances". As if, when I had my first kidney stone, I crawled in off the streets, with a tourniquet and syringe of heroin sticking out of my veins.
Obviously, policies will vary by hospital, and medical practitioners deviate from those policies, all the time. Even when their is a firm policy in place, medical personnel MAY override it, based on a thorough assessment and professional judgement, at their own discretion. As long as the reason for the deviation is well-documented, there is no problem. And, in MY experience, as a patient, and a nurse, this is done all the time. Other people may have had a different experience at different hospitals, or, even the same hospital.
The only reason I posted it at all (I sat out the great broken toe/foot/blister debate), was to offer an explanation, other than negligence, sadistic pleasure or incompetence, as to why some people, who had no documented medical histories, were refused medication until absolute confirmation of a diagnosis of a kidney stone--for example, as described by Admin.
Once the incident is in that hospital's records, it is very likely that, based on symptoms alone, meds will be offered upon admission--but still not guaranteed.
And, yes, one time, I was in the ER for a kidney stone after my kids left for school, and home before they got home. I was, as others said, wiped out, and, I didn't drive. And, we don't know if TFW did either, or, that she even received meds. Having trouble with blogger, so don't know if it posted that I took a taxi home--this is very common in MY areas and in MY experience.
Gotta go pickup my heroin now....
On Kate's Twitter T/L there is the pesky author whose name is Nicole. The girl who says she has Kate's address and is asking for Kate to sign a book is Holly. She's the developmentally challenged girl and is on a tweeting frenzy at the moment.
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Yes, there are some on there right now who do seem to be on tweeting frenzies. The "author" tweeted:
Nicole Gould @nicolergould 2h
@Kateplusmy8 would you be able to take a pic of you holding my book? Understand if u can but would be amazing and special! Xo
Nicole Gould @nicolergould 2h
@Kateplusmy8 so grateful that u are taking the time to read my book! No ur busy and it means the world! Xoxo
She's not going to let it go until Kate tweets that photo and gives a testimonial about the book.
And the developmentally-challenged one (Holly) has Kate's house address, wants to send her a letter, and...
Holly Upton @daisygirl2650 2h
@shatzy8 @Kateplusmy8 yes i would like to hear Kate Gosselin's voice but she wouldn't want me to ask her for her phone number on twitter
Sad thing is about that one is some of the non-fans seem to be encouraging her.
What you guys don't know is what that Reading Hospital ER is like. I have been there around 10 times. I have chronic health problems and one year I went there around 4 times in 2 months for beyond terrible abdominal pain. That ER is a complete NIGHTMARE. It is beyond busy. With my history and symptoms it took at least an hour just to be seen. At many hours the lesser cases are on guerneys in the hallway. It takes a while in any ER to get the tests you need. You need the test ordered, you need someone to call and get you priority, you need transport. I've had an IVP. The test itself takes a while. A kidney stone is difficult when it's happening to you but I don't see it getting the highest priority in a busy ER. In that ER with that diagnosis I don't see her leaving there in less than 7 or 8 hours. You can be in an ER for a long, long time.
Now the ambulance. I have called an ambulance a few times. I live near my sister but sometimes she's not home. I don't have a lot of people to call. Being ill can be lonely. When I can't stop vomiting I know they can give me that medicine in the ambulance. Also, being brought in by ambulance gets you past the horrible waiting room. But usually I try to have someone drive me. It's nice to have my mother or sister there to comfort me. My Insurance does pay for the ambulance.
If she got pain meds, and I don't know why not, she not only couldn't drive home she wouldn't want to. Between the meds and the stress on your body of passing the stone, you would just sleep. It is very easy to get a taxi at Reading Hospital but I still don't see the drive to the bus stop. I would think that she could make the nanny pick her up. Also, if you get meds and the doctor says don't drive until tomorrow, you are NOT covered by your car insurance if you disobey the doctor.
I just don't see her getting out of Reading ER that fast and feeling great after. If she was telling the truth, my sympathies on the pain.
Sorry for different topics but lots going on here!
But, but....I thought this was a dead blog!
Cystitis can really hurt too! lol re: rendez-vous with Steve and the horrific pain of it.
Anyone have a home remedy for it, though? ( Fluids, cranberry supplement, good hygiene aside). I am prone to these apparently due to kidneys scarred from my stones.Sometimes feel to ghastly to go the dr to try to wrestle antibiotics out of her- they are sometimes as hard to come by as pain meds until a postive test come back!
Did TFW really say she did not have any pain killer? Then picked up the kids and made her YUM soup? It IS worse than labor and all you get is a lousy stone ( if you find it at all, they're so small) Her story does not ring true to me as a kidney stone patient and a nurse.
Insert Creative Username Here said... 46
Kate is a twit said... 44
She has sold 68 Kindle editions, so her Amazon sales are a little over 1000.
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Does anyone else have a hard time believing she actually sold over a thousand copies? I think the only way she could have sold that many is if she bought 900 copies herself.
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She definitely didn' thave that many individual buyers. Her sheeple have beentweeting for months about how many copies they each bought to hand out as gifts, etc. One fan was doing a contest of some sort to give away 8 copies. So, while she may have sold some copies, there aren't that many individual buyers. And yes, I absolutely believe she bought a bunch of them herself, just so that her numbers wouldn't look so bad. The book is a massive failure, no question about it.
TFW said in her latest interview that the kids want back on TV and are ready to be filmed. That means that her TLC contract is done for good, and there are no takers for a new show. They are ready to be filmed, but nobody wants to film them. I have this feeling that they are all just sitting around, waiting for a camera to show up to validate their existence. It just seems so odd that they wouldn't have moved past it yet. It's been years, and they have grown up so much. Filming is a thing of the past for them--or at least it should be. It's not normal for kids to live in the past like that. But I don't think she gives them a choice. She'll never let it go.
I'm sure Kate got A-1 immediate treatment at the hospital once she loudly made everyone aware of who she is.
Pain meds could not be offered until a diagnosis was made, according to hospital policy. This was in a suburban area. She was clearly not faking anything to get drugs.
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People in the suburbs never fake anything to get drugs? I wasn't aware that drug abuse was only an "urban" problem.
Even if the kids "think" they'd like to film if they actually did I think they'd be shocked how time consuming and tiring it can be. They are different people now with lives and friends. What was fun when you're six is a different story when you're 13 and your girlfriends want to hang out or you've got a lacrosse practice or party or what have you. Suddenly a production schedule isn't so great.
Did TFW really say she did not have any pain killer? Then picked up the kids and made her YUM soup? It IS worse than labor and all you get is a lousy stone ( if you find it at all, they're so small) Her story does not ring true to me as a kidney stone patient and a nurse.
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I didn't read anything where she said she had no pain meds. Where did that come from?
According to her tweets...
Kate tweeted that she made the bus run in the morning. Thirty minutes later she was in pain and couldn't drive. Called an ambulance to take her to the ER. She was there (according to her tweet) 1/2 day. Came back and made it in time to pick up her kids at the bus stop in the afternoon. Nothing about meds. Issue resolved itself.
Is this an implausible scenario? Could the stone (or stones) have been that small that they were passed at the hospital without meds or any complications? I don't know...thankfully, I never had them, and after reading here, I hope I never do!
I'm surprised she didn't have EIGHT stones.
I think the kids would love a production schedule in the summer months, though. Beats sitting in the McMansion wondering if mommy will be taking you on a vacation.
Kidney stone experiences actually ring remarkably similar if you ask around. Symptoms tend to be very similar which is why a good doctor can diagnose you just by looking at you. If it were an ailment that wasn't so darn consistent no doctor would have given me morphine before even so much as doing an xray and I had two nurses an EMT and a doctor all correctly diagnos it without seeing a single test. Just based on how I described the pain and how I carried myself. If Kate didn't lie so much I would be more apt to buy her remarkable recovery.
I can't handle the assuredness of all the testimonies anymore. I think every case is different it depends on the individual. When I to the ER the first time for the blood in my urine the dipstick only showed an infection. One week later is when the pain really hit hard and I had to call the ambulance to go to the ER. I take a med that wont allow regular pain meds to take away pain until 24 hrs after I have taken my reg meds.
During THAT ER visit. They said the antibiotics took the bladder infection down some but they saw a couple small crystals and they did a ct scan. That is when they saw the stone that was as big as a marble. I was in so much pain that I asked if I could try some pain meds. I was hoping beyond hope that it had been long enough since I took my reg med. I had taken my last one around 10:00pm and it was now 3:00am that morning. They gave me a shot of dilaudid but no luck. My reg. meds blocked it. I had to just deal with the pain. Finally by 5:00am I passed the stone and was perfectly fine to go home. Yes I had to drive home because of hosp. rules but when I got home I was fine to drive to the pharm and get the pain meds he gave me. I was safe to drive there because the pain meds were blocked and they had no physical effect on me. He gave me 12 percocet 5 mil. to last incase I passed more because it was the week end and I had to make an appt for surgery.
As I said in my last post I had to wait for 10 days to do surgery because the Doctor didn't want me to have problems with bleeding from the aspirin I take. After the surgery the Doctor gave me 10 10mg percocet for the first few days and then some anti spasm meds for the next two week as I passed the stones that the ultrasound waves broke up. He said they would work better than the pain meds and they have. I have passed and strained what looks like over 100 tini tiny pieces of sand but still big enough to strain and I ran out of pain meds after two and a half days.
So this is why I say I think every person is different and to call anyone a liar because it wasn't what happened to you is just not right. If you don't believe my story I can take pictures of the paper work and the stones, which I still have one more week of straining to go till the stent comes out and I can post it.
I mean all my comments from a kind heart and no offence to anyone else's story.
So today's tweet; TFW went back to sleep after bus run. If the six were home, how could she leave them alone, then go to sleep?
What you guys don't know is what that Reading Hospital ER is like. I have been there around 10 times. I have chronic health problems and one year I went there around 4 times in 2 months for beyond terrible abdominal pain. That ER is a complete NIGHTMARE
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Could it have been an Urgent Care Center of the Reading Hospital? Kate said ER, but who knows...maybe that sounded more impressive than spending time at the Quick Care in Wyomissing!
I've been to the Reading Hospital ER, too, last time for a playground accident (not mine!). It wasn't busy at all, so I guess it all depends. You just never know if you're going to be seen right away, or if you should plan on a few hours sitting there waiting, and knitting and ordering Chinese take-out. I've never been there for seven or eight hours, though. Guess we just got lucky.
Formerly Duped said...
Anyone have a home remedy for it, though? ( Fluids, cranberry supplement, good hygiene aside)
Cranberry juice creates a hostile environment for the formation of bacteria, but doesn't kill them, as antibiotics will. So it MAY help prevent, or, perhaps, even slow down the progression of an infection. It shouldn't be ignored because, while cystitis MAY stop being painful, it can easily progress to a serious kidney infection. A kidney infection may be asymptomatic and pain-free, and therefore undiagnosed. This can lead to serious damage to the kidney.
The reason that treatment MAY be delayed until culture results from a urinalysis are received to determine the most effective antibiotic. Some strains are resistant to many of the common broad spectrum antibiotics that are in use, so, many practitioners will wait to find out the specific strains. The rise in antibiotic resistant superinfections, resulting from overprescribed antibiotics is a serious health problems. I think that today's health practitioners are much more hesitant to treat without a culture than in the past.
I took my young son in to emergency once screaming with pain. I thought it may be appendicitis. He was constipated. LOL
Maybe Kate was too. She wouldn't admit that. She could have had anything but HAD to make it something else for attention. I say lies all lies.
MARIE @MY_3BCOLLIES 4m
@MiloandJack @CJWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 What a shame that in Kate's world there has to be any issues. It's Kate's business not anyone elses:(
Then why in the world does she tweet about kidney stones if it's HER BUSINESS? She puts it out there, but it's her business and nobody is supposed to respond or ask questions?
Geez...these sheeple are enough to make you tear out your hair. You just can't figure out their logic (or lack of it).
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 14h
@MiloandJack (worse than labor)
I thought Kate had scheduled c-sections. How does she know what labour feels like.
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Kidney stone experiences actually ring remarkably similar if you ask around. Symptoms tend to be very similar which is why a good doctor can diagnose you just by looking at you.
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Which is exactly why drug-seeking people will fake the symptoms of a kidney stone, and SOME medical professionals will be skeptical of everyone until there is a definitive diagnosis.
I'm surprised she didn't have EIGHT stones.
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Ha!
Kate tweeted that the pain was horrific and worse than labor. Who suffers with pain THAT bad and gets no meds or refuses meds? How could you even drive in pain like that? Sure, in an absolute emergency you could possible do it, but do your afternoon pick up the kids run?
Makes no sense at all.
I think she's fibbing, again.
She's no stranger to pain meds, and enjoyed them quite a bit when she had her tummy tuck.
Why in the world does Kate get medical attention for kidney stones or constipation (not sure what it really was) when she totally ignored her son when he was screaming and crying in pain during the purchasing the beds episodes. then there was the time when Mady? Cara? hurt their ankle and had to wait to go to the doctor until Jon told her.
Yet when it comes to Kate, she runs to the clinic or hospital for immediate care. A real Mom takes care of her children's needs first, then herself. Oh I forgot, she only plays a Mom on TV. Since she's not on TV now, what is she?
So this is why I say I think every person is different and to call anyone a liar because it wasn't what happened to you is just not right
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I believe your story and here's a really big difference between your account and Kate's: details that actually make sense.
I don't know for sure if Kate passed a stone and in fact, don't care really. She lies like she breathes and has told some real whoppers. More than that, she tells kernels of truth and misleads all. the. time.
Somehow, de-aging Kate can suffer with a broken bone in her foot and not even so much as limp? Kate can have pain SO bad that she can not drive herself to the hospital and calls and ambulance, yet gets no meds and is able to just carry on with the rest of her day and the next as if nothing happened.
Doesn't pass the sniff test like your story does.
Thanks Ex- Nurse.
I know there has to be good reason for antibiotics and I am happy my kids have only had them a few times their whole lives. I have tried an OTC product called Cystex which supposedly reduces UTI pain until a dx is confirmed.
Jeanne said...
If she got pain meds, and I don't know why not, she not only couldn't drive home she wouldn't want to.
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She may not have gotten pain meds because the pain may have stopped. Passing the stone stops the pain completely. Even a slight change in position of the stone can stop the pain completely. When it is over, it is over--no pain meds may have been administered.
There just is nothing in this story that, as some have said, is out of the realm of possibiity. Everything could be true, even if it doesn't fit the usual description. Obviously, people are free to think this was a lie. I'm just saying that it isn't a given that it is, based on the facts. I had a very similar experience in one of my ER visits, so I know it is possibe. Others haven't, so I guess they must think that I may be lying, too.
Formerly Duped said... 101
So today's tweet; TFW went back to sleep after bus run. If the six were home, how could she leave them alone, then go to sleep?
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Sigh,I slept in (aka went back to sleep after bus run) this am to catch up after yesterday's drama& now I'm wide awake.. #countingsheep
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Kate tweeted that last night when she couldn't sleep. Her 6 are home today.
Tweet-le: I'm confused. I thought she said 6/8 were home, and she went to bed after dropping the two at the bus?? And mentioning the drama I thought meant her kidney not-a-stone.But wouldn't she still have had to drive the twins without the six? Or bring them along?
I'm getting a little tired of an un-Twist(ing) of Kate's (Lies) LOL
It's parent conference today, tomorrow and NO school Monday, Odds would be that Kate goes on twitter and says ALL 8 are doing so well in school.
I think TFW is telling the truth and hoping for attention. But when you're trying to sell a book about food... don't share this stuff.
Maybe PB is in India with the Little Couple and TFW needs sympathy.
Any other cook book authors have Twitter discussions about taking home a strainer to pee in to catch kidney stones?
Associating those images, food preparation and peeing kidney stones...does that help sell cookbooks?
Does she think about anything long term, or is it all shooting from the hip?
Have some more coffee.
If you want to sell a cookbook you give multiple mentions to the publisher, and continue to post the recipes and photos, those in the book and more!!! You don't discuss your toilet problems and chat up Kimmy Gibbler!
I guarantee TFW has no PR or agent, nor is she listening to any sane advice these days.
Ex Nurse - I'm sure no one thinks you (or anyone else) is lying here when they share their own experience with a kidney stone. However, given TFW's personality - I have a hard time believing she is the stoic, "no big deal" type of person. A blister turns into a sprained toe turned into a fractured foot. A bit of ice cream on a tup's outfit turns into "IT'S RUINED!!"
For her not to exaggerate and make a huge deal over any health issue is very out of character. I think that's all we're saying.
Formerly Duped, Kate's kidney stone "drama" happened Tuesday. She tweeted about it yesterday, Wednesday. Yesterday, Wednesday, she went back to bed after dropping the kids off after "yesterday's drama" which meant Tuesday's drama.
If you're reading her tweets from her page:
https://twitter.com/Kateplusmy8/with_replies
you need to remember to click on "All" at the top of the page where it says "Tweets." Otherwise you're reading those in the category "No replies" and not seeing all her tweets.
I don't believe her "drama" for one second; it's just another fabrication for attention. She didn't mention pain til someone here and/or Milo did. She added the labor connection when, again, someone here posted it. And, as someone else remarked, she's never experienced labor.
Example check out Brian Boitano's twitter the last many weeks...probably longer.
https://twitter.com/BrianBoitano
She also said the next day she was taking the kids to the ortho, and also that she made one of her soups from the cookbook.
Trust me, you're wiped out at least 2 or 3 days if not more. The last thing you want to do is labor over a hot stove over some homemade soup--you don't want to do anything but order take out.
I guess Kate is the first person in the history of kidney stones to bounce back like it was just a paper cut. I wish I had her strength.
Kind of like her miraculous recovery after her first full marathon in Vegas. Looking fresh, hair neat and in place, not a drop of sweat on her as she crossed the finish line and then shoes with heels, feeling fine, and full of energy the day after.
Ex-Nurse said...
She may not have gotten pain meds because the pain may have stopped. Passing the stone stops the pain completely. Even a slight change in position of the stone can stop the pain completely. When it is over, it is over--no pain meds may have been administered.
My husband suffered from kidney stones. He ended up in the hospital for several days. (Never get sick on a weekend) Anyway they went in and removed the stone. They sent him home without pain meds.He had to be driven and was still not feeling well. A few days later he passed a huge blood clot. I can't tell you the amount of pain he was in on top of the shock that he passed it. No one told him this could happen. We called the doctor and they prescribed something for him. According to the pharmacist the stones have very sharp like spike things. As you pass the stone it can cause fissures that will bleed and cause the blood clots. So in his situation he was not pain free after passing the stone.
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It's parent conference today, tomorrow and NO school Monday, Odds would be that Kate goes on twitter and says ALL 8 are doing so well in school.
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Conferences today were for The Six only. The twins had school.
How could you even drive in pain like that? Sure, in an absolute emergency you could possible do it, but do your afternoon pick up the kids run?
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When it comes to medical issues, one size does not necessarily fit all. If she went to the ER around 8 a.m. and even if she spent a maximum of 7-8 hours in the ER (a busy ER), she passed one stone or eight stones, or they shifted positions or whatever, she may not have needed meds and she would still be back in time to pick up the kids at 4 p.m. at the bus stop (or 6 p.m. on the late bus). It's not impossible.
I thought Kate had scheduled c-sections. How does she know what labour feels like.
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I thought the twins were delivered vaginally. Does she say anything about that in Multiple Blessings?
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Has TFW ever gone thru labor/pain? Weren't her deliveries via pre-scheduled C-sections?
Formerly Duped said... 101
So today's tweet; TFW went back to sleep after bus run. If the six were home, how could she leave them alone, then go to sleep?
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I believe it was last night she tweeted that she couldn't sleep because yesterday morning she went back to bed. All of them did have school yesterday.
Amy2 said... 109
Why in the world does Kate get medical attention for kidney stones or constipation (not sure what it really was) when she totally ignored her son when he was screaming and crying in pain during the purchasing the beds episodes. then there was the time when Mady? Cara? hurt their ankle and had to wait to go to the doctor until Jon told her.
Yet when it comes to Kate, she runs to the clinic or hospital for immediate care. A real Mom takes care of her children's needs first, then herself. Oh I forgot, she only plays a Mom on TV. Since she's not on TV now, what is she?
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Don't forget that she writes in her journal that Mady had terrible stomach pains for a MONTH and finally took her to the doctor...
seems like one of the little kids was sick for a few days before going to the doctor....
she blows everything out of proportion....she didn't 'have time' for postpartum depression.....she did it all 'alone' (had 100+ volunteers PLUS a state paid nurse for a year....Jon left her coffee by the bed, she slept until 8a.m. each morning...
KIMMIE: I understand that yesteryear and present celebrities know who Kate is but I wonder if they know what she is!
I think many celebs know who TFW is and like so many of us, thought the family was cute when the show first started. I just don't think the Gosselin's are important enough for very many of them to have expended any effort following up on the controversies that surround them now. I think they still see them as the cute family from PA.
A shout out to ECJ ....
All truthers are to be commended for going against all that has been thrown at them and they pull through together - staying the course. For calling a spade a spade! Child abuse/ child exploitation / is everyone's
Problem. The travesty that TFW enacts is the money she makes sending the public to her web site and gawking at 8 children. ....... Don't go there... Ever.
Kate says she loves Twitter. Of course she does! Her 15 minutes would have been gone long ago. She also uses twitter to spew her lies! How does anyone know what is true and what isn't . And she also uses twitter to connect with celebrities.
If Robert's book comes out, and if he can get the mainstream media's attention, and if Kate's ugliness comes out I wonder how many celebrities will even touch her with a ten foot pole.
I bet not many!!
I meant to say the entertainment media. Will The View, The Today Show, Good Morning America , Kelly and so forth have Robert on their shows? I don't know but if they do she's done.
Lots of people still don't know a lot about her, even people like us who have been following her for a while don't know everything she has done.
It will be interesting, I hope the book comes out soon!
And I thought Milo was the chief pest...this one is a close second.
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@Kateplusmy8 Hi Kate! Just to let you know I sent you email via your site regarding my book!
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Kate answered the question about the twins' birth. They were not delivered Caesarian.
Carezee--If your husband had the stone surgically removed, that is competely different than passing a small stone. With surgery, there will be post-op pain due to the trauma to the tissue. If there was a stent left in place to keep the ureter open, that can also cause pain and discomfort..
But, it is possible to have had a stone, be in enough pain to call an ambulance, pass the stone before pain meds are given, and return to normal activities. Many people pass stones with no symptoms, and may never know they had them. There is a spectrum, and everyone, even TFW, can be telling the 100% truth about their experience.
All I am saying is that the facts do not support the assertion that it couldn't have happened exactly as she said. It is anyone' guess, and, unless she has a big fan at the ER that wants jeoparize their career by leaking the records, we probably will never know. Or, maybe Milo can lead the sheeple on a top secret mission to infiltrate the hospital and smuggle her chart. Or, maybe Jon can hack into their database.
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Kind of like her miraculous recovery after her first full marathon in Vegas. Looking fresh, hair neat and in place, not a drop of sweat on her as she crossed the finish line and then shoes with heels, feeling fine, and full of energy the day after.
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Yeah, that one I don't believe.
Anyway, who cares about the TFW--the panda cam is back!
I finally stopped by my B&N store to check out the cookbook. Well, it felt odd to see a boatload pictures of the children. It didn't feel right because these children are being marketed heavily in that book. I saw that she finally credited the source if a few recipes. She still hasn't credited the flag cake. We all saw her post a picture of it from Kraft, I think in in a blog post & said she thought and thought about it! In the book, she said it is a well-known American recipe that we may remember them making it on their TLC show. LOL! She said she added her own favorite touches over the years. It has white chocolate chips this time but isn't in the picture. You can't even see the chips AT ALL!
I get the feeling the book is a flashback of their time with TLC because a lot of pictures and 'memories' were made under the tent of TLC. There are re-used pictures that I've seen her post on her blog or twitter. She makes no reference to the 2009 cookbook. She said she has written a few books but never a cookbook. That's a fib! She is still re-hashing about being on the show & having likely watching her kids 'grow up' on TV. What! I would not buy it just because a child was on TV.
It's a picture book! With re-used pictures!
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I finally had a chance to take a look at the cookbook. I can see now what everyone is saying about most of the recipes not being "invented". The "yuck pie" is just a brown sugar pie, a recipe that has been around forever and is still popular in Amish country. Maybe she *thought* her grandfather "accidentally" invented it - I know my grandmother gave me her meatloaf recipe over 20 years ago and I always thought it was all hers - but it's almost identical to K8's, lol, so I guess that shoots down that fond memory!
Anonymous said... 116
I think TFW is telling the truth and hoping for attention. But when you're trying to sell a book about food... don't share this stuff.
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I agree. I can't wait until this kidney stone issue passes (ugh, pun intended). Sorry, just the thought of Kate birthing something more to exploit is making me ill. Especially, like you say, right on the heels of publishing her cookbook.
Definitely agree that anything you tweet is not your private business. I don't understand that at all. She feels bullied when people say bad things about her but she keeps sharing private details of her life.
I do agree there are occasional times that Reading ER is less busy. I just never hit one of them. I don't see them responding well to her wanting to be treated as a special celebrity. For whoever asked, there are a number of urgent care facilities available but ambulances only take you to the ER.
Over In Kate's County said... 105
MARIE @MY_3BCOLLIES 4m
@MiloandJack @CJWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 What a shame that in Kate's world there has to be any issues. It's Kate's business not anyone elses:(
Then why in the world does she tweet about kidney stones if it's HER BUSINESS? She puts it out there, but it's her business and nobody is supposed to respond or ask questions?
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EXACTLY!! Who knew so many of us have had kidney stones and not one mention of it EVAH!! That girl should just shut up and go away.
So if she's sleeping off her medical trauma, and the younger kids are home because it's parent-teacher conferences, who is attending the conference (s)? Jon? The Nanny?
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Wait a minute. Did TFMJG actually SAY she made a trip by ambulance to the ER; passed a stone; somehow found her way home again; then used her Supermom Superpowers to somehow, some way, get behind the wheel of the BBB to go pick up the kids that she, and only she, is the sole support of, because she does it all all alone with NO help at all (except for 20 hrs a week)? If she actually said that, then I call BS on her story. If we're just assuming she did that, then you know what that says, although I'd say the ASS is more U (TFMJG) than ME (15)!
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SNORT! (hug!)
Maybe the 8 count em 8 kids shrieked, screamed, screeched, and squealed their gestational carrier home, with her ass firmly planted on a nice stuff rug made out of used hair extensions. Let's all break into a chorus of "On the Wings Of Love"...
Any word on whether or not she managed to open 8 cans-o'-somethin' and dump them in the crock pot (WITH the salted canned water) before she left?
Kate, drink some damn water.
And for the annals of Believe It or Not, my stepfather was in the hospital for Congestive Heart Failure and they found one of his kidneys necrotic and full of micro stones. He had not complained of any pain but later said he had felt something and thought he was 'just' having mini heart attacks. But that is an old farmer man for ya.
Ex Nurse said... 138
Anyway, who cares about the TFW--the panda cam is back!
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OOOHH Link please! Is it the twin cubs?
So if she's sleeping off her medical trauma, and the younger kids are home because it's parent-teacher conferences, who is attending the conference (s)? Jon? The Nanny?
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Telephone conferences may also be scheduled, or maybe tomorrow is Jon's day for having the kids and she's planning on going later during the day. I would hope her medical trauma has subsided by then.
Your name MUST be on the release to list or they absolutely will not turn the child over to that person.
I get that part. But there's 2 or 3 other spots on those forms where you have to list other people. Are you saying Kate has the legal authority to to deny Jon's extended family to pick these kids up when sick?
Also, don't these fancy prep schools (as they were referred to by admin) have sick bays? Where the child can stay until the parent gets off work? Or at least has a break where he CAN pick them up?
I finally had a chance to take a look at the cookbook. I can see now what everyone is saying about most of the recipes not being "invented". The "yuck pie" is just a brown sugar pie, a recipe that has been around forever and is still popular in Amish country. Maybe she *thought* her grandfather "accidentally" invented it - I know my grandmother gave me her meatloaf recipe over 20 years ago and I always thought it was all hers - but it's almost identical to K8's, lol, so I guess that shoots down that fond memory!
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I don't have her book, so I don't know what's in the Yuck Pie recipe, but I remember when my grandmother was baking pies, she'd use the leftover dough to make me a moshey pie (spelling?). She used flour, butter, brown sugar, milk and baked it in a very tiny tin pie pan...just for me. I loved that pie, but never had the recipe, It wasn't shoofly pie. I don't remember her using molasses. It was very sweet, but oh, the memories that were made with those moshey pies! I always watched her baking pies, keeping my fingers crossed that there would be leftover dough.
Kate's meatloaf is nearly identical to the way my grandmother made it, and my mother, and the way I make it. She didn't "develop" it.
Rach @RLFkateplus8fan 16m
@Kateplusmy8 I'm planing a trip around America next summer, where are the best places to go? Are you planning a vacation?
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lol!! America is such a small place. I'm sure Kate can give some travel advice, starting with camping in Alaska, the waste of space Grand Canyon, or seeing FDR on Mt. Rushmore.
lol!! America is such a small place. I'm sure Kate can give some travel advice, starting with camping in Alaska, the waste of space Grand Canyon, or seeing FDR on Mt. Rushmore.
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Don't forget "What's a crazy horse?"
Yummy stuff: exactly. Look what happen to Paula deen, when she finally admit to being type 2. Her own cooking was what made her a type 2, the rich, creamy, buttery, salty etc food. Her sales took a beating, her whole company took a beating.
Now my question is what about the kids? All that high salted food, will they get kidney stones?
Carezee said... 123
Ex-Nurse said...
She may not have gotten pain meds because the pain may have stopped. Passing the stone stops the pain completely. Even a slight change in position of the stone can stop the pain completely. When it is over, it is over--no pain meds may have been administered.
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That's what happened to me. Once they passed I was good to go except I was exhausted and needed to sleep.
It's funny how so many of us have had kidney stone problems but no one here ever knew about it. I never felt the need to blast it all over the internet to get sympathy.
Take a lesson from this Kate. Normal people don't want their private life scattered like bird shit all over the planet.
I don't know about you guys, but by the time I was 6-7, I could put batteries in most stuff and use a screwdriver, what their 9 and still don't know how to put batteries in anything? And isn't Furbies for little kids, not 9 year olds?
PA Dutch Mom -- My mother used to do something similar for me with the leftover pie crust dough. She'd brush it with butter and spread it with cinnamon and brown sugar and roll it up and bake it. Sometimes she'd spread the dough into a small pie pan and fill it with cinnamon, brown sugar and a little beaten egg. I used to love those.
Kendra Wilkinson just announced that she's pregnant with her second child. Wonder how long it'll take TFMJG to congratulate her? After all, they are besties now.
Norma - yes, as the parent who, by Jon's admission, has sole legal custody (they share physical custody) and, more practically, who is the one filling out the emergency form for school she can determine who she wants to be on the pick up list and who she doesn't.
Divorce just bites, all the way around, in my opinion and when you have an acrimonious divorce like this one is then it's even more difficult.
I think, and again this is just speculation on my part, that Jon has made a decision not to play games where the kids are concerned.
It sounds like he has found work that he enjoys and allows him the flexibility to arrange his work schedule around the kids. More power to him. Hopefully he's not at a point where he has to choose between his kids and his job anymore. I suspect he is not going to give Kate any rope when it comes to spending time with his kids so if the school calls and says "Kate is unavailable we need you to pick up a sick kid", he'll be there himself so she can't accuse him of pushing his responsibilities off on a girlfriend or his mom/brothers/etc.
So yuck pie is a brown sugar pie? Why would you just not call it a brown sugar pie? Yuck Pie. Creamy Herbie Chicken. Thomas Hummus. Such a way with words. No wonder those books are not flying off the rack, well, that and the recipes are pretty meh verging on horrible.
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It's funny how so many of us have had kidney stone problems but no one here ever knew about it. I never felt the need to blast it all over the internet to get sympathy.
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Yes--I don't think I would even bother to mention this to anyone, outside of my family. I might tell neighbors if an ambulance had picked me up.
I guess in TFW world, anyting that happens to her is headline news. I think that, at this point in time, the kidney stone has a better chance of getting another reality show than TFW does.
I don't know about you guys, but by the time I was 6-7, I could put batteries in most stuff and use a screwdriver, what their 9 and still don't know how to put batteries in anything? And isn't Furbies for little kids, not 9 year olds?
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They aren't only for little kids. Teens love them, too. She'd need a Phillips screwdriver (is she handy with tools?). However, once the batteries are installed, you sometimes have to go through the reset process and it doesn't always work. It's not like putting a AA battery in a television remote. Been there, done that (with Furby batteries)!
It's funny how so many of us have had kidney stone problems but no one here ever knew about it. I never felt the need to blast it all over the internet to get sympathy.
Except for now! LOL
Great question, getofftwitter. What health problems WILL those kids have someday due to their salty, fatty diet?
It's so easy to project your life's events behind a " iPad " iphone" computer" smart phone" typewriter" point is ... Your face doesn't show. We ... Whether sheep or THRUTHERS make comments / opinions on these contraptions and words are very easy to type- some pointed words /observations/ accusations/ etc. Let's not forget kate may never see what we look like but here's my point. Our opinions are BASED on visuals of TFW. We have seen her actions - seen her speak her untruths. Her physical abuse/ emotional abuse. Condescending behavior. The disrespect for others. Why oh why do people think we are picking on a mother of 8??? If anything she does a fine job of alienating the public all by herself. The worst of the worst will always have a circle of people who for the mere fact of backing a unpopular figure get some kind of thrill to back them just to go against the grain. But when I see the SEA of people who take the time to raise awareness of that personS improprieties ( TFW) it is astounding to me she sold one book period. Kate is driven by one thing MORE... More money / more clothes/ more appliances/ more cars/ more paper towels more coffee etc. Her fans mean nothing they are used to get the more - the THRUTHERS got her game along time ago and because they have the time energy and truth they will never let her rest. Until TFW stops exploiting her children , you will have a group a very large group of people voice their opinion about a mother who totally has no regard for the welfare and privacy of her children. I have been reading here for a long time/ I follow the twitter saga but never engage. I see all the players in this saga. Lots of he said she said but let me close with this. I personally believe TFW that she is a great mom because they have a warm bed / food in the fridge and a roof over their head but that does NOT make you a great parent. A great parent is one who does not throw your favorite teddy in the trash especially in front of you. A great mother will give their child a sip of water before them selfs . A great mother allows you to be a kid / get dirty roll in the grass/ eat the last piece of pizza before another adult. Give you the privacy to have those private child milestones without fear. Hug them / kiss them and nurture them not belittle / and project your insecurities onto them. We have seen these actions and quite literally TFW is anything but a great mom. My opinion
he'll be there himself so she can't accuse him of pushing his responsibilities off on a girlfriend or his mom/brothers/etc.
Ahhhh. Now I understand. Jon still hasn't grown any balls. Because if he's allowing her to dictate who's on his emergency backup list, that's beyond ridiculous. Take it to a judge, Jon. Can't afford one? Get another job, one that preferably pays more than minimum wage. He's got technical skills, why doesn't he use them? I'm tired of making excuses for him.
norma said... 162
he'll be there himself so she can't accuse him of pushing his responsibilities off on a girlfriend or his mom/brothers/etc.
Ahhhh. Now I understand. Jon still hasn't grown any balls. Because if he's allowing her to dictate who's on his emergency backup list, that's beyond ridiculous. Take it to a judge, Jon. Can't afford one? Get another job, one that preferably pays more than minimum wage. He's got technical skills, why doesn't he use them? I'm tired of making excuses for him.
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She has Legal Custody. I swear he gave her Legal Custody in exchange for her not asking for child support. She figured she could film with the kids and make millions.
Norma, you have to pick your battles with parental alienators or you'll be in court every day and won't have a dime left. Everything is a fight to them. At a certain point you have to ask yourself is it really worth making a national crisis over an emergency contact list or should I just let this one go and just figure out how I will pick up the children should something ever happen? Most judges would not be very happy to see someone walking on a case over a simple emergency contact list no matter how unreasonable the other parent is being. This is the life of those experiencing parental alienation. This is how it goes. I'm sure by now Jon has long decided what's worth fighting over and what's not.
That said, I bet that sick child probably much preferred their father come get them over anyone else except their mom. I think that was nice. They are learning they can count on their father, even if he's 5 hours away. It's little things like this that will stick with them when they are adults and deciding how much or how little contact they want with their mother and father.
The way Jon described the legal custody issue in his dad's interview was basically like why are we FIGHTING over all this it's FOUR YEARS LATER, you want legal custody whatever who cares? I just want to BE with my kids. He sounds like he's gotten to a healthy place where so many things just don't matter anymore, not if it means he has to do battle with the children's mother constantly and upset them. They will be educated, they will be well cared for and have their medical needs met, is it REALLY worth the constant fighting over such things? I can see where you get to the point where all these little squabbles don't matter anymore. The stress and fighting and bad blood are not worth the school YOU would prefer, for example. Say he doesn't like their school and wants them in another one. How much better can that school really be to be worth all the agony and stress it would cause between him and Kate? Sometimes it's easier to just compromise or even give in (even Morty says GIVE IN). I get it. Whatever Kate, have what you want as long as I'm still their father and still see them.
Trust me, his approach is one of the few ways that parents successfully weather parental alienation. You will go NUTS if you try to fight them on everything and that doesn't help your children.
norma said... 162
I'm tired of making excuses for him.
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Why do you feel you need to make excuses for him???
Ahhhh. Now I understand. Jon still hasn't grown any balls. Because if he's allowing her to dictate who's on his emergency backup list, that's beyond ridiculous
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Unless one is an administrator at the school, or the health care professional there, it's a matter of privacy, and nobody knows whose name appears on that emergency backup list, and it's all speculation whether or not his name is on it.
Trust me, his approach is one of the few ways that parents successfully weather parental alienation.
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It does seem to be working, more power to him.
Pardon me. I should have typed 'I'm tired of EVERYONE ELSE making excuses for him'. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who sees this. Winsomeone attempted to post something along these lines (not speaking for the OP but that's what I inferred from the posts) and sure enough, not only were excuses made, there were names called. I just want to post an honest opinion here about what I think of Jon without being accused of being a Kate fan. Neither are my cup of tea.
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Norma, you have to pick your battles with parental alienators or you'll be in court every day and won't have a dime left.
I would think picking the battle over who picks up the children at school a pretty important one, especially when you can lose your job over it.
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norma said... 162
I'm tired of making excuses for him.
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I was wondering the same thing. You took the words right out of my fingertips! I think at this point Jon pretty much can take care of himself regarding the domestic issues and everything else that is thrown his way. Admin is right -- sometimes you just have to bite the bullet, knowing that you could spent your life in court fighting with the other parent.
ucker's Mom said... 110
I believe your story and here's a really big difference between your account and Kate's: details that actually make sense.
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I see what you are saying Tuckers mom and agree. I should have clarified that in my post. I guess where my frustration comes from is reading over and over how that there is no way someone can pass a stones without pain meds or, it has to happen like this, and then calls BS on her story, when I am right now going through it. Do I take something else, heck yes but it is in no way narcotic pain meds. I am taking advil and the anti spasm meds the doc. gave me. Is all the pain gone? No but it's tolerable. Is it a pain in the butt? Almost. Heckle, heckle he he. Sorry I couldn't resist.
I do believe everyone's story went the way everyone has said so I can see how it would be hard to believe it would be any different for anyone else.
As for all the other inconsistencies in her story and story's she leaves herself open for any accusation and criticisms that comes her way, almost by default. One more thing she has said that leaves a question in my mind is about the pain being like labor. I have never had children so I cannot compare my pain to that but didn't she have C sections with both her pregnancies? How would she know what labor felt like?
Talking about not broadcasting physical ailments....Last year I was having gall bladder trouble and would have these sudden attacks of great pain, that would come on with no warning, and last about an hour.
I was at Target, in the middle of a snow storm when an attack hit me. It was all I could do to finish checking out and get out to my car.
I had loaded my bags into the car, and was standing there bent over in pain, trying to get up enough energy to go put the cart away when this lady came running up to me ranting because she thought I was going to leave the cart loose in the parking lot instead of walking it to the cart corral. I thought she was going to have a coronary she was so wild about it. She was so sure I was going to leave that cart to blow around the parking lot in the wind and it would hit her car eventually.
I really wanted to say, 'Hey lady, I'm in extreme pain and I think I'm gonna faint any moment. You think you could help me out and put the cart away?'
But she was so unpleasant, and I couldn't get a word in anyway, so I just left the cart where it was, got in my car, locked the door, and called my daughter to come get me. Man, was she pissed. Oh well.
norma said... 160
It's funny how so many of us have had kidney stone problems but no one here ever knew about it. I never felt the need to blast it all over the internet to get sympathy.
Except for now! LOL
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No one knows who I am, Norma. I'm not a public figure. There's a difference. Insert " LOL" here.
I have hours and hours of video tapes of my children - as babies/ toddlers/ pre- teen / teen and adult - I look back to myself as a young mom. My interaction via video with my babies/ preschoolers/ elementary age / middle school / high school and so on... In none of the hours and hours upon hours of videos am I rude/degrading/selfish/mean/ or unkind. And I'm being completely objective and forthcoming. So please explain to me how TFW thinks editing created her awful image? I had 4 children all under the age of 5. Oh and by the way these were my personal family videos - I never earned a penny telling people to look at my kids at a website. I truly find that repulsive.
Sometimes you just gotta love those sheeple.
Shelbby @2009SLM 4m
@Kateplusmy8 Hi Kate Im one of your fans I would love to get to meet you could you come here to Virginia?tweet back please,please thanks..
Sure. Kate's right on it. She'll get Steve to drive her to Virginia to meet you...she can fit it in between kidney stones. I'm sure Joy will put her (and Steve) up for the night!
This one also tweeted to Jen Arnold with the same request. Bet Jen arranges a trip to Virginia. As a new mom,with a physician's practice, she has all the time in the world!
I would think picking the battle over who picks up the children at school a pretty important one, especially when you can lose your job over it.
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He never said he lost his job over it or even hinted that leaving his job to pick up a sick child was a problem at that particular job. That's something you speculated about and then went on to misrepresent what he said. Thankfully someone here went back to find his actual quote to discover he never even implied what you said.
The battles a divorced parent wants to pick and not pick are really up to each individual parent in that situation. We don't have nearly enough information to know whether that is one worth fighting over. And what is one man's battle may be another one's "shrug".
So the discussion has been kidney stones...posters sitting around in their muumuus and crocs commiserating about their ailments! Bladder stones, anyone...or ulcers, gout, goiters, shingles, psoriasis, hemorrhoids, nail fungus, acid reflux, granulated eyelid? ;-) I wonder which one Kate will have next?
Seriously, though, from what I understand, kidney stones can cause very little pain (a friend of mine passed a tiny one in the hospital while she was still an inpatient after giving birth); or excruciating pain. My father wanted to die because the pain was so bad, and he was upset that he didn't...he said dying was preferable to the pain he was experiencing. It did bring him to his knees.
Trust me, his approach is one of the few ways that parents successfully weather parental alienation.
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It does seem to be working, more power to him.
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Yes more power to him, though I have to say lately the choices he is making and things he is saying in terms of how he handles Kate sound a heck of a lot like he got some good therapy.
Picking your battles, not sweating things that really aren't THAT important in the grand scheme of things, having a calm and rational response to parental alienation, shutting up and leaving it to the lawyers to handle, sound exactly like the techniques a good therapist would help you learn to utilize when coping with such a situation. Perhaps his new attorneys played a role as well.
The worst thing you can do to a parental alienator is to refuse to play on their turf. He won't play, and it deflates her balloon.
Even the text messaging relationship he has with Kate, I know it sounds cold but sometimes that's not such a bad idea if things are that bad. Once you get a parental alienator in person or on the phone they can lie and manipulate and scheme much easier. But if you restrict that parental alienator to short and simple text messages, impersonal without being able to directly access YOU or for that matter any kids with you, it suddenly becomes much harder for them to twist and turn you like a pretzel. What can you really do to manipulate in one little text? It's a lot harder. And it's much easier if Jon sees a text that is inappropriate to just ignore and delete it and move on. This is so much harder when she has a direct line of communication. It also keeps a nice clean record of any shenanigans. It's easier to lie and say I never said that when the conversation occurred in person. Over text she has to be more accountable for anything she tries to pull.
I have never had children so I cannot compare my pain to that but didn't she have C sections with both her pregnancies? How would she know what labor felt like?
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She tweeted earlier that one of the fans was correct in saying that she didn't have a C section with the twins.
Yes, you do want to die. That is the first and only time I thought I'd rather just die. That was a scary feeling. I also found it strips you of any modesty or care about anything. I would sign anything, pay for anything, take off my clothes, let them put a catheter in, let some interns in the room, I did not care ONE BIT. They were calling my family and normally I'm sure I would have said no please don't call my mom she'll worry, I'll be fine, but that was another thing I just couldn't focus or care about to stop. Whatever, call the pope in Rome what do I care.
Kate I guess had a painful one since didn't she compare it to labor? It wasn't an easy one. If it were that bad, that makes it all the more head scratching how she bounced back so quickly. Even if the pain stops, you are still wiped out from the pain. Going through intense pain like that strips you of all your strength even if the actual pain has gone away. I slept for days. I am not saying as implied it couldn't have happened. I don't see anyone saying that. I just find her experience unusual.
Bitchy Pants said... 155
PA Dutch Mom -- My mother used to do something similar for me with the leftover pie crust dough. She'd brush it with butter and spread it with cinnamon and brown sugar and roll it up and bake it. Sometimes she'd spread the dough into a small pie pan and fill it with cinnamon, brown sugar and a little beaten egg. I used to love those.
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Awww, thanks for reminding me of a similar memory. I would love to "help" my mom when she was making something good in the kitchen. She would give me a little tiny piece of the uncooked pie dough and then roll out the left over scraps and top with butter and cinnamon, to make flaky yummy treats for my sisters and I to enjoy as a special snack.
Yes, you do want to die. That is the first and only time I thought I'd rather just die. That was a scary feeling. I also found it strips you of any modesty or care about anything. I would sign anything, pay for anything, take off my clothes, let them put a catheter in, let some interns in the room, I did not care ONE BIT. They were calling my family and normally I'm sure I would have said no please don't call my mom she'll worry, I'll be fine, but that was another thing I just couldn't focus or care about to stop. Whatever, call the pope in Rome what do I care.
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That sounds like me during my first labor. I didn't care who came in and gawked at my patootie. I didn't care if I was naked and exposed, wetting the bed, or if the doc stuck a dozen knitting needles up there to break the water. Do whatever you have to do.
Thank goodness the baby just slid out of there so fast on the second labor that the doc didn't even have time to gown up.
Of course TFMJG can stay at my place! She will have to help walk the dogs, and i'm right now fostering a pit bull mix, really sweet dog, she will have to let him sleep in the bed with her. I'm sure she won't have any problem with that.
It does seem to be working, more power to him.
I don't see it as working if he has to continually change jobs because of it. Although he does seem to be able to house and feed them, in spite of it.
Did he not say that he works AROUND his children's needs? Again, that's great if one can do it. I wonder if he's relying on his kids' bank accounts for their future and thinks they're enough so he doesn't think he has to have a high paying job now. I mean, those kids should be set for life once they turn of age so maybe he doesn't have that pressure of 'saving for their college fund' like the rest of us.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 @myurologydoc Oh my Kate...Mr. UrologyDoc is cute! Wonder if he makes "house calls"? :)
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Is Milo saying Kate's a cougar? Doc looks as young as Doogie Howser.
njay, you win the prize for best horror Tale Of The Kidney Stone!! Where's Auntie Ann to hand over your glitter star?? hee hee :)
Seriously, I do hope you get to feeling better soon. It sucks that you are in any kind of pain.
PA Dutch
She used flour, butter, brown sugar, milk and baked it in a very tiny tin pie pan...just for me. I loved that pie, but never had the recipe
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What a nice memory to have :)
Yes, those are the ingredients from the traditional recipe that has been around forever, and the one I have - and the same in the cookbook. Many variations add eggs, cinnamon, vanilla, etc., or use evaporated milk instead. If you google "brown sugar pie", you will find a ton of recipes to follow.
OT, thanks, Admin,
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franky
What is Milo's major maladjustment now?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h
Good nite all...I'm still convinced most folks R kind/caring and wanting 2help. Faith in my fellow man...:)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h
Father do raise me up..help me endure. When I'm N doubt..make my dreams secure. From anxious despair..I turn 2U... God my strength do renew!
Kate I guess had a painful one since didn't she compare it to labor
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Would she know what labor feels like? Did she not have scheduled caesarians for both pregnancies? Although both are painful, they are not the same kind of pain, I can vouch for that!
Oops, sorry. Reading from bottom up, I see she had a vaginal birth for the twins.
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welcome native=)
from which nation are you? I'm Montagnaise.
ps. I agree
franky
PA dutch mom,
my Mamie too! Rolled, with brown sugar and cinnamon. She called them " pete de soeurs"
I'll let you Google that, bwahahaha, Quebecois inside joke.
thanks for the memories, off to buy some tenderflake and make some for dd=)
franky
Even if the pain stops, you are still wiped out from the pain. Going through intense pain like that strips you of all your strength even if the actual pain has gone away. I slept for days. I am not saying as implied it couldn't have happened. I don't see anyone saying that. I just find her experience unusual.
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Many years ago I suffered from migraines, and after each one "released" as it were, which is to say, after I barfed, I was exhausted. Limp like a rag doll. I HAD to sleep and could not function for hours.
The pain was that bad and it just sucked the energy out of me.
So glad that didn't turn into a chronic problem.
JoyinVirginia said... 184
Of course TFMJG can stay at my place! She will have to help walk the dogs, and i'm right now fostering a pit bull mix, really sweet dog, she will have to let him sleep in the bed with her. I'm sure she won't have any problem with that.
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I get the sense Kate's never gone through basic training with her dog. Supposedly, the breeder "trained" the dog while he was abandoned for a year.
Sleep on the bed? Never. It's a shame because as a kid especially, it's a real kick to have your pet in your bed.
Even when DH and I found a stray years ago, it took us a day or so to track down the owner and we let him up on our bed at night.
lol about not caring when in agony
when having dd in a teaching hospital, neo-natal specialists were in the room. Then my Dr. asked if I minded if a few students watched a high-risk birth? I looked at her and said " I don't care if the entire army watches, just get her out safe"
ps, brother walked in just as I hemorraged from broken cord. lol, I saw him, ( yes, he saw ALL of me) , then heard "SPLAT", and for the only time ever, saw my Navy brother's face go chalky green.
now I can laugh about it, dd is fantabulous
franky
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 179
Even the text messaging relationship he has with Kate, I know it sounds cold but sometimes that's not such a bad idea if things are that bad.
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You know, I never really thought of it that way. It's not optimal for normal, rational people, but it just may be the wisest thing to do. The best offense is a good defense, and all that.
I agree it can keep everyone very honest, knowing that their texts will be accessible for a very long time, and denial will be impossible.
You know, I never really thought of it that way. It's not optimal for normal, rational people, but it just may be the wisest thing to do. The best offense is a good defense, and all that.
I agree it can keep everyone very honest, knowing that their texts will be accessible for a very long time, and denial will be impossible.
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Exactly. In person or over the phone she could say oh sorry I'm going to be 2 hours late or oh sorry the kids can't see you today. But if he tries to complain to his lawyer or the judge she could say that's not what happened and it would turn into a he said she said mess. Over text, she'd have to put any shenanigans like that in writing and it would be undeniable. It keeps her accountable. I would not be the least bit surprised if Jon's lawyer or a wise friend recommended he keep her restricted to putting everything about their exchanges of the children in text. It makes it so much harder for a parental alienator to pull their tricks. It might be one of many things Jon is doing to keep her in check that is driving her crazy. She's obviously livid with him and he's fresh on her mind.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 164
Everything is a fight to them. At a certain point you have to ask yourself is it really worth making a national crisis over an emergency contact list or should I just let this one go and just figure out how I will pick up the children should something ever happen?
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I agree. I think Jon let TFW to have primary legal custody for two reasons: 1. He didn't want to pick a battle with her for every decision regarding the kids. 2. He wouldn't have to pay for expensive lifestyle (expensive school for the kids, expensive health insurance, etc...). If she has primary legal custody, she has to pay for her expensive decisions and he doesn't.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 179
Even the text messaging relationship he has with Kate, I know it sounds cold but sometimes that's not such a bad idea if things are that bad.
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Also agree that text/email is the way to go. It also provides legal proof that Jon can use in court. If he's smart, he wouldn't delete a single text message/email from her. TFW's very litigious, and it's an easy way to shut her down. Plus, I'm sure she knows that, and would keep her messages short and non-descriptive. You're right, Admin, much less manipulation that way.
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