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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 807 Newer› Newest»Listening now. I don't remember hearing this before but there is a 'no contact' order between Colin and Kate.
Very interesting.
Interesting & informative podcast. Some takeaways:
. Siblings living with Kate do NOT have ANY contact with Collin.
. Jon knew current info re his kids (probably via Hannah?) like Cara in college being on the rowing team.
. He said that in a couple of years he plans on moving out of PA.
Thanks for the post.
Jon seemed to be suggesting that Kate has poisoned the 4 kids she has against Collin. He also keeps talking about the tups being close to 18 as if when they become legal adults all the parental alienation will be undone and some evil spell will break. I have doubts that that's the way it will go.
From Dmasy --
I listened. He sounds like a very grounded person.
He also seems to be living without anger or anxiety.
So sad to hear that the remaining 4 with Kate have no contact with Collin. I'm sure she has done everything in her power to poison them against him, just like she did with Jon. Collin and Jon both got in the way of filming, so Jon and Collin both had to go. People (to her) are disposable.
I wonder if the no-contact order between Collin and Kate was the reason C went to court with Jon. I can't begin to guess why it was necessary since she already banished him. Maybe the court decided it would be too damaging to C to have any contact with her.
FlimsyFlamsy (from the previous thread),
Sully is amazing! He's almost 4 months old now, and he is the light of our lives. He is healthy and active, and his doctor says that developmentally he is on par with a 6-month-old. He loves people and shrieks with delight whenever he sees a loved one. His latest silly stunt is, when we FaceTime and he gets bored, he tries to kick mommy's/daddy's phone. It's cute to watch, because he concentrates so hard. They'll let him try a few times, then allow him to kick it, and he laughs so hard. I can't imagine life without him!
Patsy (2)
I can see Jon moving once H&C turn 18. If Kate still has joint legal custody she won't let him move them, just out of spite. If she's stuck in Ghettoville, then she won't allow him to live anywhere else either. Once H&C turn 18, though, she can't stop them. Jon, Colleen, and the kids all seem to love the beach, so I can definitely see them moving to the shore somewhere.
I enjoyed the podcast. It "rehashed" the years after the divorce and gave up-to-date information on what their lives are like now. I was surprised about the no contact order on Collin but obviously it's there for a particular reason. But I love the idea of Hannah and/or Collin tooling over to the "other" high school to see their siblings. Thank goodness they have a GAL to help wade through all the court-related and personal issues.
Of course she’s alienating the kids relationships with each other... why is this a surprise? This is her MO.... she’s as evil as they come
I was actually surprised to hear Jon is considering leaving Pennsylvania. He seemed happy from what I could tell. Unless there are too many painful memories. And he’s looking for a fresh start in a new place. But good for him if that is what he wants to do! I wonder if the other two will follow him
-Gigi Be
Kate has messed up all of her children, everyone of them. Two were lucky to escape to get help and learn to lead a normal loving and caring life. I wonder will she will "lose the farm" so to speak. I doubt she will get what she paid for the place and she has a heavy mortgage on it that would need to be paid from the proceeds, etc. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I imagine she is using the kids trust funds to pay for living expenses right now. Poor Collin with a no contact order with Kate. That is really something. I have never heard of such a nasty evil person.
I would also like to add that I’m happy that Jon is more assertive and won’t let anyone emotionally abuse him again. You can see it in his face the turmoil he has been put through for ten plus years. Running back and force to court, not being able to speak out, being labeled as the villain for so long, the isolation from his children, etc. Its heartbreaking. I wonder what that witch said to the others that made them turn against Collin.
-Gigi Be
I wonder if the no-contact order between Collin and Kate was the reason C went to court with Jon. I can't begin to guess why it was necessary since she already banished him. Maybe the court decided it would be too damaging to C to have any contact with her.
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They're rare, and usually only seen in sexual abuse cases or severe physical or emotional abuse cases. What DID you do to this child to warrant this, KATE?
Jon seemed to be suggesting that Kate has poisoned the 4 kids she has against Collin. He also keeps talking about the tups being close to 18 as if when they become legal adults all the parental alienation will be undone and some evil spell will break. I have doubts that that's the way it will go.
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You are right, an 18 year old alienated all of their conscious life from their father and much of it from their brother are very unlikely to have a lightbulb moment on the day they turn 18. They will probably have it, but they could be 35, 40 before it ever happens. And at that point precious time with loved ones will be done and lost never to get back.
And that's the most vile thing here is that Kate has taken away from this father and his children something that can never, ever be replaced: TIME.
It’s Kate’s responsibility to unload that monster of a farm ...😂😂😂😂😂😂I love it!!!!
I see the No Contact Order as a request made on behalf of Collin/Jon/theGAL AGAINST Kate as she clearly should never be allowed to contact him. Jon said he got SOLE custody of Collin but has SHARED custody with Kate of Hannah (& of course physical custody). She threw Collin away. There is no doubt about this by anyone, much less Collin & the court.
Collin certainly doesn't want to come to the house with Kate there & the 4 kids not wanting to visit Jon I'm sure is due to the poison/programming of Kate but I was hoping that maybe Hannah could get together with them for lunch or "something" away from the residence along with Collin. But then Kate controls the kids & I think they are afraid of disobeying her (fear of abandonment, punishment, etc. as she already showed them she is capable of).
I'm hoping (wishfully maybe) that Cara is now in contact with Jon but does not want it to become public knowledge so Kate can cause problems for her.
Collin & Hannah are receiving therapy & have a great family now. Jon & Colleen, yes but two older "sibling" examples in her two adult kids. Plus Jon's extended family & her large extended family. The four with Kate have … Cara & Mady & herself … . Ya, doesn't seem like they have a chance. It makes a heck of a lot of difference in grounding a child's life.
As they get older she won’t be able to control the kids seeing each other... lets bet as each kids contacts Collin she alienates that particular kid
The judge must have decided that any contact with Kate would be harmful for Collin. I can't imagine any other reason for a no-contact order, other than a minor needing protection from an abusive parent. I wonder what other secrets she's keeping. This just feels like the tip of the iceberg. There's more that she's hiding and doesn't want to answer for, I'm sure of it. She hasn't gone on any talk shows to "set the record straight", even though we all know she's itching to find an excuse to be on TV. And her voidance of SM also points to something going on behind the scenes. She has a lot to hide, and Jon doesn't have to keep her secrets anymore. She's probably afraid to say a word for fear he'll air more of her dirty laundry.
Sometimes you just gotta love ROL:
https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2020/02/kate-gosselin-bans-collin-from-seeing-siblings-jon-claims/
I didn't realize Jon got a full ride to soccer to college, that's impressive.
Jon works IT for a health clinic for the undocumented and uninsured, it's a federal program. WOW, he is doing something meaningful with his life. Something beyond "ex reality star." GOOD FOR HIM.
Jon loves having a GAL, it "CHANGED EVERYTHING."
Right, TOLD YOU JON!! The most meaningful period of my career was being a GAL. Unfortunately the pay wasn't that great which makes it hard to stay in it.
Jon is trying to get a family therapist to speak to the kids with him and the other kids to try to repair the sibling relationships. He seems to be the only parent here who gives a damn that the sibling relationship is so damaged. Kate is a selfish cow who doesn't care about the decades and decades the kids will be without her when she goes someday.
Shit, he said Kate used corporal punishment.
LOL confirmed what we all knew.
He explained perfectly how Kate's controlling parenting style leaves the children very ill equipped for college, adulthood, and the kids in his custody will be much more well rounded. He bashed the private school as being too small with only 50 kids in the class.
Yes, Jon, correct.
It sounds like Hannah and Collin will be learning to drive when they become old enough. I wonder how that will sit with Mady and Cara since TFW was/is so controlling that, as of the college update show, they still didn’t know how to drive.
havanesejackson
Truth spills out a little at a time🎶.. Collin was violent...not shocking... #teamKate. Sorry for what you had to endure as a single mom...
Did she get THIS from Jon's podcast? I haven't heard it, just curious. It wouldn't surprise me after how we SAW her treating him on numerous episodes.
Odd that Kate would have a no contact order, yet she hasn't gone to court to keep him away from Hannah? If Collin was any type of "danger" to his siblings, no judge would have allowed him to immediately go back to living with his sister. My guess is she doesn't want him near them to tell them the truth. We KNOW this woman ADMITTED to physically abusing this particular child beginning when he was just a baby. What kind of heartless, evil woman would throw her own son under the bus to cover her physical abuse of him? I honestly hope the rest of her life is a living hell equivalent to what she has put her children through. She deserves no less.
havanesejackson
Truth spills out a little at a time🎶.. Collin was violent...not shocking... #teamKate. Sorry for what you had to endure as a single mom...
Did she get THIS from Jon's podcast? I haven't heard it, just curious.
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No! Jon did not say his son was violent or disclose any details about his incarceration at the hands of Kate, which was generous of him to Kate.
Whether Collin had some aggression or didn't, hundreds of children who have struggled with aggression have passed across my desks and parents don't GIVE THEM UP over it. Only a truly callous person walks away from their child when they are struggling the most. And did it occur to the sheeple WHY a child might be aggressive? Hint, it's because something about their lives SUCKS. And usually it's their caregiver.
Sad but true said... 26
havanesejackson
Truth spills out a little at a time🎶.. Collin was violent...not shocking... #teamKate. Sorry for what you had to endure as a single mom...
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The truth comes out, eh? Well, how about this truth--nobody, not even Kate herself, has ever said that Collin was violent in any way. Pathetic to blame a child for his mother's complete inability to handle parenting. He was a headstrong child...so what? That's no excuse to institutionalize him when he was only 11 years old and then ignore his very existence. Saying he was violent is just a lie fabricated in a deranged mind. That havanese person infuriates me!
Did she get THIS from Jon's podcast? I haven't heard it, just curious. It wouldn't surprise me after how we SAW her treating him on numerous episodes.
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Radars story says Collin was violent. Jon and Kate have never said that publicly.
Andrea
Jon estimates he's spent about $1.3 million, MILLION, fighting Kate in court. That is a perfectly believable figure for someone fighting for custody over a ten year period now.
For those who say Jon didn't do anything....
It makes me sick to my stomach that that vile, pathetic woman has poisoned her other 2 sons' minds about their roommate/wombmate C.
I don't throw this expression around lightly, but there's a place in hell for anyone who would knowingly -- heck, gleefully -- keep those boys apart.
I don't throw this expression around lightly, but there's a place in hell for anyone who would knowingly -- heck, gleefully -- keep those boys apart.
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Keeping sibling from having a close relationship should be a deadly sin. Separating multiples, who are scientifically proven to share such close bonds? Even WORSE.
Kate, you controlling POS, it was not YOUR BUSINESS what relationship the siblings would have. You are to foster it and nurture it and then give it wings and let it blossom on its own. If one is going to stand in the way of siblings, one should be banned from having more than one child.
The truth comes out, eh? Well, how about this truth--nobody, not even Kate herself, has ever said that Collin was violent in any way. Pathetic to blame a child for his mother's complete inability to handle parenting. He was a headstrong child...so what? That's no excuse to institutionalize him when he was only 11 years old and then ignore his very existence. Saying he was violent is just a lie fabricated in a deranged mind. That havanese person infuriates me!
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Also are they unable to understand root causation?
His struggles whatever the specifics are (and does that matter to the greater point?) also probably stem from Kate and filming, Jon has basically explained that his service providers forbid him from filming. And now this no contact order? That suggests filming and his mother to be a root cause.
Admin (#33), and how about how his mother publicly and permanently identified that poor boy as "hard to love" in her book when he was barely out of diapers? Couldn't her very clear emotional disconnect from him have contributed to any of his alleged behavioral problems?
Admin (#33), and how about how his mother publicly and permanently identified that poor boy as "hard to love" in her book when he was barely out of diapers? Couldn't her very clear emotional disconnect from him have contributed to any of his alleged behavioral problems?
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Exactly. This didn't come out of nowhere. It was a variety of parenting decisions day after day after day, some of which included physical abuse, emotional abuse, and the filming.
I saw how she treated him when he was a toddler and constipated. That was a window into that household.
@27... It will be... I’ve seen karma and It’s as disturbing as it gets... you cannot do wrong in this world and get by with it... I guarantee shes probably getting it ....you just can’t see it...it the “law “.of the universe... no exceptions ... heck it’s going on right now... look at Jon thriving and she’s hiding away.. that must be killing her..I’ve bore witness to a lot of it. It’s a very hard thing to watch ... you almost feel sorry for them... almost!
Jon needs to clarify exactly what happened before Kate completely destroys that boy. She has no shame and she would do anything to try to save her reputation no matter who it hurt. She put her son away when he was eleven years old. I think back to the last episodes he was in where he looked underweight and docile. She wasn't willing to stop filming to deal with whatever issues he had, she simply medicated him and stuck the cameras in his face. She ran her home like a tyrant so any behavior she disagreed with, regardless of if it was normal for children their age, was harshly punished. She has NEVER accepted responsibility or been held accountable for the abuse she has inflicted on her children. Child protective services Kate now thinks she can blame her abuse on her child's behavior? She must NEVER be allowed to profit from her children's existence ever again. If I were Jon, I would say and do whatever I had to, to get the other children therapy and prevent her from destroying her own son. I agree, there is a place in hell waiting for this woman for what she has done and is doing to her children. She is more vile and vindictive than I ever even imagined she could be.
f I were Jon, I would say and do whatever I had to, to get the other children therapy and prevent her from destroying her own son.
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He didn't have time to go into all the nitty gritty details but from what I could tell he was saying he knows the siblings all need therapy, he has a therapist for himself and Collin and Hannah (and finds it hugely beneficial), he is working on getting a therapist to help all the siblings reconcile, but court dates take forever and he lives in an area with an extremely impacted courthouse in which every time he files something it's a huge wait (I think that's true of a lot of areas, it is here, we are incredibly over-scheduled every day).
He didn't outright specify he had filed something about the therapy, but that's what I gather he was implying he had or is going to.
TFW is so damaged that I think she sees love as power. And any love between the "bad" kids and their siblings is is power she loses. Power she needs to stay in control.
I can't get over the sibling thing, I just find it so beyond the pale.
What's her objection to therapy NOW? Without a court order or a court date?? There shouldn't be any downside to having a therapist work with siblings who aren't getting along. Does she agree that it's both tragic and unacceptable that siblings should hate each other like this? She's truly insane and this proves it.
Admin (#41), ah, but agreeing to therapy for all the siblings means her secrets will come out, and her house of cards will finally fall. Sure, maybe one or 2 of the kids will swear up and down, even in the privacy of a counselor's office, that she's June Cleaver, Olivia Walton and Ma Ingalls all rolled into one. But others may be relieved to finally tell an adult outside their family exactly what's been going on in Ms. Gosselin's Home Exploited Children.
She has no Plan B, and that reality may be finally dawning on her. So her kids' emotional welfare, tragically enough, may be the very last thing she's worrying about.
Well, the twins made it to adulthood without reconciling with Jon or Collin so I am also not too hopeful about the four tups with Kate reaching out...but I do hope they can reconcile with Collin- it does put a burden on Hannah perhaps being a go-between if that's what's happening. Or maybe they don't discuss either Jon or Collin when she sees them which I feel may be not very often.
There was a photo of Leah with some other kids on that Kate + 8 kids fansite- she has really changed in appearance!
I'd love to see Schmoopy have to explain to the judge just what her objection exactly is to a set of multiples getting therapy. Good luck with that one.
The fact that they are a set of high order, unique multiples would be compelling to any judge to they to repair this. This isn't just regular siblings, they have had a special and unique growing up experience as multiples do.
havanesejackson‘s name is “Lisamarie”. Could it be that Marie, border collie, hole in the heart, Brad Pitt in her basement has changed her name? It certainly sounds like her.
FlimsyFlamsy (#42) Bingo! She is running scared that all her secrets re her treatment of the kids will come out in their therapy sessions. The public will eventually find out all the nasty details anyway but she's like Scarlett O'Hara, "I'll think about that another day.". She is still trying to control the scenario which will continue to be a speeding train to the truth. Also, who will pay?! lol
NJGal51 (#45), ol' hole-in-the-heart professed her days were numbered about 5 years ago. She should market whatever cured her, because it's as much a potential moneymaker as TFW's "good bra."
This story has more flesh to it than most of the others:
https://www.inquisitr.com/5872522/jon-gosselin-kids-update/
It's in pretty much all the tabs today, I wonder how People mag can continue to ignore it.
NJGal51 said... 45
havanesejackson‘s name is “Lisamarie”. Could it be that Marie, border collie, hole in the heart, Brad Pitt in her basement has changed her name? It certainly sounds like her.
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It does sound like Marie, but without the constant self-pity. I also think she sounds a bit like goodytwoshoes, but without the foul language. Either way, this person is just vile in saying that C was violent. Even if Radar said that, it has not been reported by Jon or Kate, and I really think if that was true, Kate would have said so--or at least hinted at it. She never misses an opportunity to make herself look like an overburdened, put-upon mother. It's also sick to immediately assume that any protective order is to protect Kate. When judge is faced with an abusive parent who locked her child away, hid him from his own father, and then refused to even see him--versus an abused child who was finally rescued by his father--who needs protection from whom? All those years the psycho-fans accused the non-fans of attacking the children, and look who is actually doing it--one of them.
I'm listening to Jon's interview now, and wow! 1.3 million dollars on legal? I wonder if that includes the divorce/being sued by TLC. He said previously that those issues cost him 500K. Even if that's part of his total, that means he's spent $800,000 on custody. Which means Kate has probably spent that much. Or more, since she has had to reimburse him legal costs for her last 2 losses. Think of it this way--in the last almost-six years, she has filmed 35 episodes of her shows. At 40K per episode (although I think TLC reduced that over time due to the poor ratings), that's 1.4 million dollars. Take away taxes, social security, etc, and she wouldn't have much left over after legal fees. And now she's lost control over H&C's trust funds, she's being held accountable for anything she takes out of the other kids' trusts, and M&C's money will need to go for paying their college expenses. Is she feeling the pinch now that she's unemployed (again)? I hope so.
Jon said that Alexis is running track and Leah is playing Lacrosse. Leah is also in the poetry club. Funny how they suddenly get to do extracurricular activities now that filming has ended. I hope Aaden and Joel also get to do outside activities. Jon said the kids now get to decide who they want to live with, so maybe Kate's on her best behavior.
Admin... if you only knew real narcissism you would throw up...some people think they’re possessed.. that’s how evil they are. They’re notorious for destroying everyone they come in contact with
nobody, not even Kate herself, has ever said that Collin was violent in any way.
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RadarOnline had an article from back when they got expelled and a 'source' said that it was from harming teachers and students. Maybe that's where the violence idea started.
https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/12/exclusive-kate-lied-gosselin-kids-were-expelled-school-after-hurting-adult/
and CBSnews
gosselin-kids-expelled-from-school-why
Jon: "I don't live in the nicest area". Ha! That made me laugh because Kate is so wrapped up in her lifestyle, but she and Jon live in the same area. Their houses are only a couple miles apart. So why does she live there? All her whining about how much she loves NYC or California--if she has the money, why not move to one of those places? There was a time when she always got her way in court, so she probably could have gotten a judge to agree to let her move the kids. Especially if she claimed it was for work. Yet she remained in Ghettoville. I believe she didn't move because she couldn't afford to live anywhere better.
@50... no such thing as best behavior For the narcissist ... don’t let her fool you.. they only look for revenge... although I don’t think she has many options left especially with the courts involved
The dust is getting stirred up over on K8's IG, LOL. How dare this havanese moron make such an accusation with absolutely zero proof? It's clear K8 still attracts the whack jobs.
havanesejackson
@giffeee17 It's understandable why Colin's siblings don't talk to him..... Was the violence directed towards them? Looks like the puzzle pieces are fitting together.🤔
gokingdaddy
@havanesejackson the gaslighting doesn't work anymore. Everyone realized what a monster Kate is.
Havanese is the resident nutcase over there ... she’s also katpoo..and I think somebody else...cuckoo for co co puffs
Ingrid (52)
I remember that, but it was never confirmed which child reportedly hurt someone. Both Collin and Alexis were expelled at the same time, yet Alexis wasn't institutionalized. I still believe what Jon has said--that Collin didn't want to film, so he got in the way of Kate's plans and was banished. Nobody gets away with coming between Kate and filming. Nobody. Alexis got to stay at home because she didn't object to filming.
TLC paid for Kate's Legal fees up until she got fired.
For Layla just so you understand she got to keep her money
Layla said... 57
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I just figured that was where recent comments/articles got the violent idea. Even though it was almost 10 yrs ago?
"Does she agree that it's both tragic and unacceptable that siblings should hate each other like this?"
Kate's relationships with her own siblings doesn't seem to be great. When her brother and Jodie were in the picture, she just used them.
Unknown said... 58
TLC paid for Kate's Legal fees up until she got fired.
For Layla just so you understand she got to keep her money
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Can you tell the rest of us where you heard/read that? I know Jon has said that TLC paid for her divorce, but I have never heard anything about them continuing to pay her legal expenses up until her firing. That seems odd since she didn't even work for them from fall 2011 to summer 2014, and then from summer 2017 to summer 2019 they didn't air anything with her on it. Plus her ratings were awful for ears, which means she wasn't making them that much money. But if you have a reputable source, I'd really like to see it.
Ingrid (59)
I guess if someone is desperate enough to put the blame on the child (like havanese seems to be), they'll take anything they can find and run with it. I still think that if he were violent at the time Kate sent him away, she would have made that fact known. She'd do anything for pity and attention, plus it would explain removing C from the family. But she didn't. It's just so irritating that someone would accuse a child without proof. If I were on IG, I'd pose the question to havanese--if Collin is really violent to the extent that Kate needs a protective order against him, then why didn't she get a protective order keeping him from the other kids? Doesn't she want to protect her children? I'd be curious to see what she comes up with to explain that.
FlimsyFlamsy (#42) Bingo! She is running scared that all her secrets re her treatment of the kids will come out in their therapy sessions. The public will eventually find out all the nasty details anyway but she's like Scarlett O'Hara, "I'll think about that another day.". She is still trying to control the scenario which will continue to be a speeding train to the truth. Also, who will pay?! lol
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I have long thought the only way she will ever be dealt with his the law and contempt, and finally, at long last, there's a judge out there willing to take her on. She won't be able to weasel out of this one. He won't just give up, say it's not worth it, cut his losses. This is just another case to him, a case to be dealt with, handled, and all appropriate remedies are available to him. She definitely is running scared now. She won't be able to explain away why the kids shouldn't get therapy so that will happen sooner or later, there's so much of this she simply won't be able to get out of. Hallelujah.
Jon: "I don't live in the nicest area". Ha! That made me laugh because Kate is so wrapped up in her lifestyle, but she and Jon live in the same area. Their houses are only a couple miles apart.
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I was under the impression their area was reasonably nice. Maybe he means not nice as compared to Bel Air? But I thought he was saying that just to say courthouses are crowded. Sorry to tell him most courthouses are crowded these days, in both nice and not so nice areas. Kate did all it ghettoville though didn't she? Did we finally find something Kate and Jon agree on? LOL!
Admin (63)
I'm sure he's referring to the fact that they live in the suburbs of Reading, PA, which has high poverty and unemployment rates and major opioid problems. The suburbs are okay, but there's not much to do. The cities with things to do (Lancaster, Philly)are quite a distance away. So when Kate called it Ghettoville, that wasn't completely in jest. The suburbs are perfectly fine, but if you want to shop at Whole Foods and eat sushi at Nobu, you're out of luck. I wonder if she will stay there when the kids are out of high school.
I remember years ago that she was reportedly looking for a condo in Bethesda (my neck of the woods). I wonder why she didn't end up buying one. It's close to where Steve lives, there is a Whole Foods practically every mile, loads of upscale shopping, dining, and entertainment. There's even a Nobu on M Street in the District. She would have loved spending time here.
JR said... 56
Havanese is the resident nutcase over there ... she’s also katpoo..and I think somebody else...cuckoo for co co puffs
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Katpoo got kicked off instagram. She was known for saying nasty things to people who did not support Kate. I am waiting for her to return under a different username.
The rabid fans ignore questions that would put Kate in a bad light or show that they are wrong. Katpoo said that Jon said Collin was special needs. Someone asked for the direct source. Katpoo ignored them.
Andrea
Jon lives in reading ,correct? It’s not the nicest area. Lots of crime. Kate is not in reading, she’s near sinking springs, which is a bit nicer. She’s in a more rural area, he’s in a small city. Don’t get me wrong, reading has some very charming areas but over all, it’s not a thriving spot.
She doesn’t want them in therapy nor does she want them together! It’s got nothing to do with the cast members safety, she doesn’t want any of them spilling her secrets.
Example, my mother is a bit of a narcissist. When our son died we went to therapy. For obvious reasons. My mother called the next day and asked if we told the therapist about my dads drinking, (he was an alcoholic) what we said about her and to remember it’s no ones business. I was in shock! After several heartless phone calls I had to cut her out of my life for a few years.
The reason I’m saying all this is bc that is her fear! She is terrified a pro will find out how she operates AND will tell her she’s been wrong. I bet she’s writing down rebuttals right now.
Well, someone pressed the "buy" button on IG followers again---up almost 130 in about 2 hours. LOL.
@65... ik she got kicked off ... I kept reporting her..😂😂😂😂...you’re welcome 🙏
Clack said... 66
She doesn’t want them in therapy nor does she want them together! It’s got nothing to do with the cast members safety, she doesn’t want any of them spilling her secrets.
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You've got that right! I also think she doesn't want them to talk to H&C and realize that they get to have such normal lives--friends, sleepovers, possibly getting their licenses once they turn 16, relationships with extended family--all the things the remaining 4 don't get to have because Kate keeps them so isolated. And they'll figure out that all those things they have been told that they have to film in order to have--trips, a nice house, going places and doing things--are all things that H&C are able to have without filming. Jon said in his interview that Kate claimed the kids all wanted to film, but when the GAL spoke to the kids they said they NEED to film. There's a huge difference. If the kids talk to each other or to Jon or a therapist freely, she has no control over what they will say or what they will find out. She's got to be terrified at the thought.
I drove through Reading while on a business trip with my hubby. There are definitely some seedy areas where we felt uncomfortable.We stopped off in the middle of town and we had a big scare from some questionable characters nearby. Long story short, we jumped in the car and sped off.
We had the opportunity to take kids. So visited the Crayola factory. Same place we’re filming took place and we’re the 8 we’re terrorized and not allowed to use markers. We were just minutes away from the old home in Elizabethtown, but hubby didn’t want to stop haha. We also had the opportunity to stop in Hershey, just down the street from where the six were born. Although this was never meant to be the Gosselin tour, it was interesting to see a lot of it up and close. I also found myself feeling incredibly sad for those kids. More than I could imagine!
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Oh. I've never listed to a pod cast before. This will be a first. Job certainly as quite a lost to say. I'm sure it's nice for him. And it certainly is nice to hear another side instead from Kate that's for sure.
I hope everyone enjoyed their holidays.
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Jon lives in reading ,correct? It’s not the nicest area. Lots of crime. Kate is not in reading, she’s near sinking springs, which is a bit nicer. She’s in a more rural area, he’s in a small city. Don’t get me wrong, reading has some very charming areas but over all, it’s not a thriving spot.
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No, Jon does not live in Reading. He lives in the suburbs, very close to where Kate lives. I don't want to say what town, but it's right there.
Jon lives in reading ,correct? It’s not the nicest area. Lots of crime. Kate is not in reading, she’s near sinking springs, which is a bit nicer. She’s in a more rural area, he’s in a small city. Don’t get me wrong, reading has some very charming areas but over all, it’s not a thriving spot.
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It's sad to watch once vibrant spots in the Northeast like Reading die and become "not nice" towns. I picture them and how they were thriving in the modern-industrial boom and my breath catches. My hometown went through this, it's just really sad.
It "rehashed" the years after the divorce
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I generally like Jon alright but what exactly is being accomplished by continuing to "rehash" events that occurred over TEN years ago?
If Kate continued to do this, she'd be called out.
Jon, bide your time until the four kids w/Kate are of legal age. In the meantime, heal the two kids you've got in your custody. Continually "rehashing" events accomplishes nothing. Everyone already knows Kate's nuts (and those who refuse to believe it will never change their mind no matter what you say). Concentrate on getting prepared for when the others will be legally of age to make their own decisions.
Also, perhaps ask your therapist if this is healthy behaviour and if it benefits anyone, including your children.
I generally like Jon alright but what exactly is being accomplished by continuing to "rehash" events that occurred over TEN years ago?
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I think the purpose of the podcast is to empower and encourage fathers. Whether he accomplished that I don't know, I'm not a father.
Jon himself even said a couple times this or that was sooooo long ago it's hard to even remember. But to be clear, his custody battle was not ten years ago it's still ongoing, and he is still pursuing action in court.
Oh Layla I did not know that. Thanks for clarifying. I worked in that area in 09, I did do a drive by since I was in that area. I wasn’t really impressed with her house. It just looks out of place. Honestly, no one needs THAT much house. And now it’s just an outdated monstrosity!
Anyhow I thought there were some lovely places in reading. So much history! I love old homes and there are plenty. Sadly the town is poor, full of gangs and drugs. People don’t seem to have pride anymore.
Right, TOLD YOU JON!!
See, this smug, I-told-you-so attitude is not helpful. No one wants to hear that. Comments like this make you sound so unlikeable.
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Oh stop it. It’s not said in a told you so nah nah way at all! A GAL was suggested to Jon by many people yeeears ago and he was always very much receptive to it and wanted it. He finally got it. It’s great, hence, told ya!
Comments like yours bashing posters for perfectly reasonable comments are the issue.
monstrosity!
Anyhow I thought there were some lovely places in reading. So much history! I love old homes and there are plenty. Sadly the town is poor, full of gangs and drugs. People don’t seem to have pride anymore.
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Nice families moved away from these nice cities because all the blue collar jobs got outsourced abroad. Others moved to warmer climates as air conditioning is now prevalent and affordable (people have written books on how air conditioning changes everything in the USA). You get left with blight sometimes. Crime feeds itself.
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I believe another reason she's opposed to the 6 children forming relationships with Hannah and Collin is simple: she's FURIOUS at the two. Kate is so spiteful and angry with them that they were the catalysts who destroyed her perfect mom image and in turn brought the truth of Kate's character out of hiding. I've said it before: Kate is very sick. What kind of mother would be opposed to siblings forming a healthy relationship?
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I'm really shocked at her absolute cruelty toward Collin. She seems to have hated him since birth. She has always singled him out for abuse, even as a baby. She has a lot of pent-up hatred, which we saw in the way she used to constantly smack Jon around and berate and humiliate him. Imagine if he had hit her like that, said the kind of things about her that she said about him--in front of the cameras. He'd have been crucified. She is an abuser no matter what the circumstances. She singled out Jon and Collin, and once Jon was gone she appears to have heaped all of it on Collin. She always had to have an outlet, which makes me wonder who became that outlet once C was gone. I don't believe she just stopped her abuse once her two targets were gone. Not a chance. There's still more to the story.
Kate is a classic child abuser. The abuser has one child they choose to vent their anger on. I was the "chosen one" in my family. When I left at 17, my younger sister who was 6 and a half and resembled me, became the next victim. Someone took over Collin's place after he was gone, and in my opinion it was one of the 2 boys left. They all need therapy, and I pray Jon can accomplish that for his children.
It seems to be that TLC has a lot to answer for, yet nobody seems to be calling them to task over this. How dare they require Jon to be under a 10-year gag order. How dare they! Who are they to interfere in a marriage and pay for Kate's divorce, force Jon to silence, film the kids EVEN KNOWING Jon was against it...I could go on and on. Yes, I know Kate was all for it - and they had her permission. But Geez, what about decency? What about just minding their own business and not picking sides when one of their reality star couples decides to divorce. I just can't believe TLC gets away with this crap. I can't believe Jon can't sue them, but sadly I'm sure he can't. I literally have never turned my channel to TLC in 10 years because of this. I don't care what show is on - I won't watch it! TLC is a disgusting network!
How dare they require Jon to be under a 10-year gag order. How dare they! Who are they to interfere in a marriage and pay for Kate's divorce
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Financing one person's divorce is more than just a little thing, in the USA it can mean the difference between getting your kids back, as the entire system favors the person who is better situated financially and can afford better attorneys.
I see some incredibly serious ethical problems with this. What I can't figure out though is if there's anything illegal about it, I don't think so. I think Jon could have tried to get a court order that TLC not be involved in the financing of the legal dispute due to the clear conflict of interest, but I'm not sure a judge would be willing to make such an order.
I believe another reason she's opposed to the 6 children forming relationships with Hannah and Collin is simple: she's FURIOUS at the two. Kate is so spiteful and angry with them that they were the catalysts who destroyed her perfect mom image and in turn brought the truth of Kate's character out of hiding. I've said it before: Kate is very sick. What kind of mother would be opposed to siblings forming a healthy relationship?
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I think that's correct, she blames them for her demise. 100 percent she does.
PEOPLE has finally run the story, Mady and Cara's cruel comments included, natch:
https://people.com/tv/jon-gosselin-says-son-collin-no-contact-kate-other-kids/
Of course, there's another reason why Kate continues to demonize Collin. She needs the remaining 4 kids to stay with her. If they defect, who is going to defend her parenting? So she not only drills into them the idea that Jon is bad, she also makes sure they believe Collin is bad. So if any of them soften toward Jon, they also have to get past the fact that their "violent" sibling lives at Jon's house. They would have to accept both their "evil" father and their "violent" brother before deciding they want to live with Jon, which makes any such decision far less likely. She abused Collin, she locked him away, and she continues to demonize him, all so she can get her way. She has no right to call herself a mother.
Funny that Kate wants nothing to do with Hannah, who was obviously the leader of the little girls or Collin, who was obviously the alpha male of the little boys. Kate never wanted to be a mother. She wanted power and control regardless of who it destroys. I don't see the 4 remaining hostages defecting any time soon.
"It seems to be that TLC has a lot to answer for, yet nobody seems to be calling them to task over this."
It was all about money. At the time of the divorce, they got record ratings. They had to reward their cash cow, Kate, and punish the rebel Jon.
"PEOPLE has finally run the story, Mady and Cara's cruel comments included, natch"
I saw Katie Coyne on a special involving People recently so she's still there. I can't believe she's still falling for Kate's BS.
I also ponder if it ever actually reasonably occurred to Kate ever that her 6 youngest children will ever grow up and be their own capable adults. Honestly I think that thought terrifies her. To not be in control, not needed. Which is why I now truly do believe her not being in control will always be uncomfortable.
Being a parent, you plan for that day, you encourage that independence. Sure you step back and long for those days when you were needed more, most of us who are older with older children do like when the grandchildren come around. But I see Kate as this person who...the few shows I watched who is so overboard with the schedules, planning, lists, this and that and my way constantly that I don't think she's consider that it could possibly have rubbed off on her children to and affect them in later life to function outside of her control.
Her children will be 18 shortly, as Jon said yes. I wonder...how much has she really honestly prepared herself, not just her children but HERSELF, for life without needing to control children/teenagers? She hasn't. And that right there is a very scary thing to consider. She hasn't prepared herself for not being needed--in the sense of not being in control. It probably eats away at her I assume.
I mean as an older parent you remain needed but not like you did when you're children lived at home with you. It doesn't go away but your role becomes changed, it's less and less. And I don't think Kate can cope with that function in life. To not micromanage someone else. How sad for her it truly is. You don't have children just to micromanage them all their life. That's not loving them, it's not healthy for them or for that matter yourself but look who I'm talking about here.
I often ponder why in the world she went through with marry Jon if her entire relationship seemed based on her need--I know why--but just to marry someone to feel the need to control someone is just not...that's not right. And she wonders why she's alone still? Really?
The kids won’t defect when they are 18. My hope is they all go to fairly good sized colleges. Most colleges nowadays have excellent counselors and therapists for students. They can see them for free (as part of their overall fees) and all visits are confidential. IMHO, they all need therapy to work on who they are without their siblings and to navigate adults relationships with their parents and siblings. My hunch Is one of the 4 will wander into counseling services their first or second year and wind up recommending it to another and they will slowly start getting help.
I think the purpose of the podcast is to empower and encourage fathers.
Hm. Interesting. I wonder how telling the world what extracurricular activities Leah and Alexis are in helps empower and encourage other fathers.
Why does the public need to know ANYTHING about Leah and Alexis? Do you think Jon asked for their permission to announce it? Not sure why Jon would break their trust when he says he is trying to earn it. Doubt they're happy he's violated their privacy, the privacy he says he's fighting for.
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I think you're being a little dramatic. He mentioned what sports they are into, or not into. Hardly revealing their deepest darkest secrets. Divorce and child custody is not something to be treated as if it's shameful or not to be spoken of, that just makes things all the worse. Maybe his kids will hear the absolute pride in his voice when he speaks of them, or maybe they will blush. There is nothing abnormal about a kid being a little embarrassed over a parent gushing about them, that happens whether you are famous or not. Personally, I think his children should hear that he spent $1.3 million dollars trying to get them back. They might care to k now t hat on the therapist's couch someday.
A sheeple like you naturally hates this interview because that pesky little 1.3 million doesn't fit your narrative that Jon "did nothing." Oops.
One parent proudly shared one sentence about 2 of his teenage daughters' extracurricular activities. Another parent filmed said teenager daughters for hours and hours for over a decade in the privacy of their own home. Filming they had never asked to be a part of, and were not even legally allowed to consent to. Filming they had to participate in even during the emotional upheaval of their parents' divorce, and the trauma of their brother's removal from their home. Filming which has finally stopped, which may be the only reason these girls now have TIME to participate in those extracurricular activities.
One parent is a father. The other parent is a gestational carrier.
I generally like Jon alright but what exactly is being accomplished by continuing to "rehash" events that occurred over TEN years ago?
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If Kate hadn't kept her kids in the spotlight, and taken EVERY opportunity to bash Jon in print and on TV, no one would even care about Jon Gosselin at this point. The podcast he did was not a paid interview; he was asked to participate and he did. The fact that his comments became a tabloid sensation is not exactly his fault. The only reason the tabs (and people) are interested is all due to KATE.
Jon's given exactly TWO actual interviews since the gag order expired: the one with the Daily Mail back in October (which resulted in probably 3+ different stories on DM alone) and the one with Dr. Oz. He's not picking up the phone and calling people to interview him, as Kate has done countless times over the years. It's the same with the tabs running stories on what he posts on his IG---he's not seeking out their attention and he's not selling these photos. I don't see why he shouldn't speak when he wants to or is asked to. Not after all the press Kate has actively sought out and used to bash him for 10+ years.
I generally like Jon alright but what exactly is being accomplished by continuing to "rehash" events that occurred over TEN years ago?
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Over 10 years ago? Collin wasn't institutionalized--and then rescued by his father--"over TEN years ago". Hannah's custody situation didn't happen "over TEN years ago". There was no GAL "over TEN years ago". The current custody arrangements were not what they were "over TEN years ago". The things they spend the majority of the interview discussing are recent. And, may I remind you, he just came out of a TEN-year gag order. This is his first chance to really talk in a decade. I think we can cut him some slack.
I remember an interview when TFW shared Cara's reaction to her parents' divorce in graphic detail.
I suppose a fan would claim she got Cara's permission to tell that intimate story to the planet.
That horrid woman has never given a rat's behind about her children's privacy. And I suspect the only reason she's quiet now is either because of a court order, or because no one gives enough of a hoot to interview her.
Jon has been criticized here plenty by near everyone here, so it's pretty ridiculous to claim everything about Jon is defended. In particular I remember a whole lot of concern when he was bartending and going to a lot of parties. That resolved itself as Jon matured and settled down with his partner, who appears to be an incredible source of support and good influence on him.
We're in a different posture at this point too. Protection of the "children" just isn't as big of a deal anymore because two aren't even children, and six are about to be adults, too. Crowing on and on about their privacy just isn't the same thing now that they are so much older. I was very concerned about this when they were 9, but those feelings have diminished in recent years. They are well old enough now to tell Mom or Dad to stop, to refuse photos, to refuse filming, and apparently many have. They don't need strangers anymore to try to help them or speak for them. What interests me now is the lessons that can be learned from this situation as it comes to a close, as well as a sociological interest in what the long term affects will be from their childhoods.
I saw this interview as two guys chatting about a guy's current circumstances. He was proud of his kids, proud of his nephew who is playing soccer professionally, has plans for himself for the future, and is still going through a court battle. He shared that in an appropriate and restrained way.
People mag is still trying to prop her up. In their article, in contrast to every other one written about Jon's podcast, they say she has "no contact" with Collin. But they don't mention that the "no contact" is COURT-ORDERED. I don't understand why anyone reads this rag.
Crowing on and on about their privacy just isn't the same thing now that they are so much older.
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Really, a 15 year-old has less right to privacy than a 10 year-old? That's ridiculous. They are old enough to decide what they do and do not want shared with media. Neither parent -- yes, this applies to Kate as well -- should be discussing their relationships with their siblings, etc., without their okay. Since Jon has no relationship with most of his children, I think it is safe to say that they did not okay him talking about them in the media.
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What interests me now is the lessons that can be learned from this situation as it comes to a close, as well as a sociological interest in what the long term affects will be from their childhoods.
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Of course, it's all about you and your interests. Your concern was never for the kids as human beings. They are not research subjects. The long-term effects are none of your business unless they choose to discuss publicly.
Crowing on and on about their privacy just isn't the same thing now that they are so much older.
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Really, a 15 year-old has less right to privacy than a 10 year-old? That's ridiculous. They are old enough to decide what they do and do not want shared with media. Neither parent -- yes, this applies to Kate as well -- should be discussing their relationships with their siblings, etc., without their okay. Since Jon has no relationship with most of his children, I think it is safe to say that they did not okay him talking about them in the media.
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Sorry but I just can't get there that a kid would be this terribly horribly offended that dad mentioned they played lacrosse. It's lacrosse, not their first menstrual cycle, or boyfriend/girlfriend, or a personal problem they're having. Most sports are pretty public anyway, so it is likely if a Gosselin plays on an organized team, a whole lot of people know about it.
Yes, privacy concerns are very different for an ALMOST 16 year old versus a 10 year old, who can barely defend themselves at that age much less make a good decision about their privacy. A 16 year old is almost an adult, and well able to have not only a great deal of understanding of their privacy and what they would like to have happen, but actually have the ability to protect it.
Of course, it's all about you and your interests. Your concern was never for the kids as human beings. They are not research subjects. The long-term effects are none of your business unless they choose to discuss publicly.
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The long term effects of exploitation of children should be everyone's business, especially as it is an area that is heavily regulated by government. And if my government is choosing to step in to someone's private life and heavily regulate it, I assume the public wants to know and should know if that is warranted. (Hint, it is.)
There is nothing abnormal about a kid being a little embarrassed over a parent gushing about them, that happens whether you are famous or not.
Agreed. Us parents, however, do not announce it to very large audiences of the public.
I love that Jon is trying to help the kids stuck in Kate's control but teens are especially sensitive to these things. I know that I would be hurt that he says he wants me to trust him and then announces I'm into poetry. That should be left private.
Tbh, none of this needs to continue to be public. Sure, child abuse should be exposed - but it has been.
Enough already, Jon. You've got good intentions, don't shoot yourself in the foot now.
Once the kids turn legal age and can make their own choices, perhaps then all the details can be made publicly.
The kids' privacy should now be first and only priority.
Agreed. Us parents, however, do not announce it to very large audiences of the public.
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Announcing what? That the kids play lacrosse? Good grief the hyperbole.
If it's enough already, it seems like the first thing you should do is not to give it any attention. But it seems to interest you quite greatly.
You keep focusing on the sports mentions, which I agree are innocuous. Less innocuous is discussion of sibling relationships.
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Fair enough, but the cat is already out of the bag with that. It's not like nobody knows the siblings are having issues getting along. I've known for years myself as have his family and friends, and the public has known for near as long. It's obvious from the photos alone that have excluded Collin for years that these siblings don't see each other.
For all we know Collin has pleaded with him to reach out however he could to his siblings, maybe they'll hear that their father thinks this should Uber repaired. Jon always responds to my email whenever I shoot him a note, and the last time he sent me a quick note about this he was concerned about how the sibling visits Collin had had were disastrous to the point where they could not continue. It was heartbreaking to hear that. I have nothing to offer other than stay the course.
I found your outrage to be misplaced. Where is your outrage over this tragic breakdown of a once healthy and thriving sibling bond, and at the woman who destroyed it?
oh no, disastrous in what way I wonder? Also can't imagine how Hannah's visits with the siblings go...did Collin delete his IG?
I think Kate has poisoned the other children's minds about Collin and Possibly Hannah. He had not had contact with them for over three years. Three years is an eternity in the ages of 11 to 14. SOMEONE had to fan the flames of hate for children this age to hold grudges against their own siblings. This type of behavior from the 4 with Kate is not natural. I feel the saddest for them. They have nothing but their soulless mother's influence until they become adults. It would serve Kate right if they turn out as selfish as greedy as she is and they abandon her with no remorse whatsoever.
Enough already (102),
When did Jon announce that one of the kids was into poetry? I assume you’re talking about my post where I said Leah was in Poetry Club at school, but Jon did not announce that. He said that Alexis runs track and Leah plays Lacrosse. Then I added (separate sentence) that Leah is in Poetry Club, but did not say that the information came from Jon. It came from the club picture that was posted in the kateplus8kids IG site. So if you’re so offended by the information coming out, you’d best complain to the admin of that site.
Layla (95) Unpopular opinion but i have to agree with some about jon now speaking out.I hope my comment doesn't get taken the wrong way because im not saying that child abuse and parental alienation shouldn't be talked about but the problem is that the large majority of the public doesn't care about Jon and Kate anymore.The public isn't going to start a boycott of TLC or chant a "Lock her up!for Kate.Yes it's good Jon getting his point of view out but it feels like nothing will come of this.Although maybe im wrong because i saw on youtube,a video of the Doctor Oz interview that jon did and it has 1 million views on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7GkD9d7n34
Well, Mama June still has a show. It used to be From Not to Hot. Now it's called Family Crisis. Honey Boo Boo is still a minor at 14.
https://www.eonline.com/ap/news/1120621/mama-june-returns-home-in-we-tv-s-family-crisis
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I can see your point for sure--why not just let them all fade into obscurity? But for so long it has seemed that neither Kate nor TLC has any intention of letting that happen. If nothing else, I think it helps keep the kids off TV when both Kate and TLC have to worry about what Jon might say that will bring about negative publicity. The only reason anyone knew that Kate defied the court order was because Jon was able to (finally) speak up. The only reason we really understand the harm she has done to Collin is because Jon has spoken up. Otherwise I think she and TLC would be happy to keep that fake show going for as long as someone was watching. But Jon's newfound freedom of speech puts the fear of God into them (as my grandmother used to say) and kept them in check. It's for that reason that I'm in favor of his speaking out. I don't think it's an accident that as soon as he started talking, TLC ended their association with Kate. They don't want to invite trouble.
oh no, disastrous in what way I wonder?
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I don't know. I felt awful, didn't know what to say. I didn't ask for details.
a quick note about this he was concerned about how the sibling visits Collin had had were disastrous to the point where they could not continue
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Such disrespect for these kids. There was no need to share that other than your own sense of self-importance.
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Huh? Self importance in what respect? The point I'm trying to make is that from what I have observed Jon's statements about the problems with the siblings comes from a sincere place in which he finds it all deeply troubling as any good parent would. Kate? Not so much, doesn't seem to bother her one bit. It's a little insight into somebody you keep saying is just out there to exploit the kids. Right, that's it.
I have thought for a while that Collins visits with the siblings that live with Kate should be done with a counselor. Someone who can help guide them all through their feelings, someone who can direct the conversation, and someone who can intervene when necessary to make it a safe environment for everyone. I hope this happens, I hope they are able to rebuild the relationship.
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I don't doubt that he loves his children and wants them to be healthy and happy. It doesn't follow that I have to agree with his choice to discuss his children in the media.
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I'm glad you see how much he loves and wants what's best for these kids. When a parent has that at their core, most parenting decisions will tend to be good ones.
I watched the Taylor Swift documentary on Netflix. It was interesting, a bit trite at times. She's a nice woman and has a nice mother. Notably, I was rather disturbed by her acknowledged deep need for validation and gratification from strangers. She seemed to be admitting it was terribly unhealthy yet didn't know where else to get her jollies. A booing crowd (who wasn't even booing for her) was enough to practically give her PTSD. She has been dealing with adoring fans since she was 16 years old, it occurred to me that someone who builds their life on a house of cards of this sort of thing at such a young age may end up emotionally stunted. And I believe she is now, at 30. The damage has been done.
Admin (#115), and it seems like that sort of acclaim produces a high that will never be sufficiently equalled, leaving the celebrity to "chase the dragon" forever after. Look how Schmoopy's head got turned, and she didn't have a lick of talent to back up her fame.
Admin (#115), and it seems like that sort of acclaim produces a high that will never be sufficiently equalled, leaving the celebrity to "chase the dragon" forever after. Look how Schmoopy's head got turned, and she didn't have a lick of talent to back up her fame.
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Bingo. Most of real life will not include 10000 fans screaming your name as you stomp out on stage like their queen. Your husband will never be able to cheer that loudly for you, your kids won’t be able to love you on that kind of level, and you’re human and won’t be universally adored like that all of the time by everyone you love. What’s interesting about Taylor and surprising is that she seemed to have a great deal of self awareness that none of this is healthy or normal. Yet she doesn’t want to stop. When she cried after not getting nominated for a Grammy? I’m like, it’s a piece of metal. And she knows that. But can’t quit.
Voxcom has an article on out currently on the use of Karen as the symbol of middleclass women of privilege, with a "speak to the manager" hairstyle and is using Kate Gosselin's image as illustration. Just a little chuckle about that the public attention may not be just what she would like.
Voxcom has an article on out currently on the use of Karen as the symbol of middleclass women of privilege, with a "speak to the manager" hairstyle and is using Kate Gosselin's image as illustration. Just a little chuckle about that the public attention may not be just what she would like.
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I've seen her in multiple Karen memes, and it's just darn hilarious. I'm betting lots of people don't even know who she is, but know she just looks like "Karen."
Admin, your comment #15,never would have guessed she was 15. When I see or read about Taylor I think of some teeny booper.
I'm just remembering an early JK+8 episode when the gestational character created a Valentine's Day scavenger hunt for the kids. From what we know of her now, that was clearly a TLC-driven story line.
She got paid to pretend she was a loving mother with a creative holiday project to delight her children. "Realest reality" my behind.
Admin, your comment #15,never would have guessed she was 15. When I see or read about Taylor I think of some teeny booper.
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She's 30 last year, though I think maturity wise, she's very stunted. 30 year olds don't cry over one bad year at the Grammys when you have 10 Grammys on your shelf already.
This is not an exaggeration. She has TEN Grammys.
Back to the "Jon shouldn't tell us the kids play lacrosse" debate, I thought I remembered Kate doing the same, and me praising it in a recap. So here it is, from the last episode of Kate Plus Date:
"This is one of the rare times I've ever heard Kate talk specifically about the children in a positive way. She mentions that Cara and Leah like to cook, and that Leah is really, really good and wants her own bakery. See, this is the shit she should put on instagram and tell her fans about. It's decently interesting and really not a violation of anyone's privacy. It shows the children are individuals, with interests, and interesting in their own right. She would find herself with far more likes, if that's what she's after. She wouldn't even have to pay for them."
Didn't Kate insult Leah's cake on the college episode and the Halloween cupcakes the girls were making? I know Cara was in charge of the Mother's Day brunch and I'm sure the kids would be encouraged to cook so she would not have the chore ( if no personal chef!)The boys did the packed lunches in the last episodes
Ms Havanese is really surpassing herself with nonsense on Kate's IG today. I wonder if this is going to be Kate's go-to strategy when/if she finally emerges to "set the record straight," LOL.
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The fact it, she allowed her hatred and bitterness towards Jon affect her judgement when it came to doing what was right for her children. Since she either didn't want to bother with, or couldn't handle, Collins issues, she shipped him off to be raised by strangers rather than asking Jon to take him. Absolutely heartbreaking for Collin, and I dont think their relationship will ever be repaired. She will never admit she messed up.
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@loricabello Why spread lies? If Don't know what you're talkin about. Don't come on here. Look up what Jon was doing in 2014-15. You will get a better understanding of her decision... And apparently you haven't been following along because the bitterness and hate is actually directed towards Kate from Jon for the last 10 years. 😘
loricabello
@havanesejackson Not spreading lies. Jon said it himself. If Kate wants to refute this, she should speak up. Until then, you, me, and everyone else can only go by what Jon says. You can't say it's not true. And I don't care what happened between the two of them 5 years ago. We're talking about now. Fact is, Collin WAS abandoned. Collin WAS separated from his family. Collin had to sneak out a note to his dad because his mother ignored his cries. (Did you read that heartbreaking note?) Jon had to fight for him. Kate did not. Those are all facts, and it seems pretty obvious Jon did the right thing and Collin is doing great now.
havanesejackson
The alleged letter🤔, Until Collin claims it as his own, It's alleged... ask any lawyer. You cannot take Jon's word seriously. He likes to make up things as he goes along. His main objective is to bash Kate anytime.. anywhere..on any tabloid media Outlet that will listen to him, I'm sure he's making a great deal money off of all this..There's a price to pay And those other children are paying for it.
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SO, if I'm reading Havanese correctly, she is suggesting that due to where Jon was in 2014-15 (is that when he had his cabin in the woods? Couples Therapy?), Kate's ONLY option with respect to Collin was to ship him to a mental hospital? Where he had virtually no visitation from her or ANYONE for nearly three years? (I can't believe the tabs are still calling it a "special needs" boarding school, it was a mental facility and is described as such on its own website.) And due to Jon admitting he smoked pot and said he wanted K8 to die when she wouldn't let him talk to his kids, THAT's the reason Collin had to be sent away with no notice/explanation to his father?
I can tell this story is being very carefully massaged before Kate gets in front of a camera to unwind it all. God, just think of the hours of practice she must be putting in! It beggars belief that on account of a questionable interview during his cabin-in-the-woods phase, she gets to put his kid away without even informing him.
And OMG: The letter is only "allegedly" from Collin? Do Kate's fans want Collin to step in front in a camera and own it? Do they think this wasn't shown to a judge and that Collin wasn't questioned about it? How do they think Jon got custody? And WHY didn't Kate even show up? Whatever. The court certainly seems to have believed it, and probably had Collin confirm it, but I guess that's just not good enough for Kate's diehard lackeys.
This all reeks to high heaven, Katie, think twice before you try to sell this in primetime.
Sad but true (#125), if that one fan is TFW's last line of defense, she is bloody well screwed.
Oh, yeah, Jon's livin' large on that sweet sweet Dr. Oz windfall, and poor TFW is dumpster diving for extra coupons to put food in her babies' mouths. Good grief, Charlie Brown.
I would really love to know what happened to Milo. She was certainly a devoted fan who stood by her idol for years and then she was just gone. As much as i felt sorry for her devotion to that narcissist, i thought she was sincere in her devotion to tfw. Milo, If you’re out there...pop back on and let us know you’re ok. If you were enlightened, you won’t find judgment here. Just sympathy because it was bound to happen to you. I do hope you are alright and healthy.
Wowser (#127), that was a kind and compassionate comment. I razzed Milo as much as anyone, but I sincerely hope she is all right, too. If she came to the realization that her idol wasn't who she thought she was, she may simply be too embarrassed to comment any further.
It's a painful thing to experience.
Flimsy. I agree. I think she’s embarrassed ...or worse. Not well etc.
Speaking of Kate's defender on Instagram, she actually wants Collin to come out and say he wrote the letter before Jon can be believed? Does she even understand what she is saying? In reading that particular person's comments, I actually wish it was Kate or one of her few remaining cronies. It is just sad to think that after everything that has been revealed, someone would still defend her at the expense of the well-being of the children. This person is either a child herself with very limited life experience, or someone so fanatically in love with Kate and her image that she can't see the truth. Either way it's sad.
Giff (#130), yeah, at this point you're almost rooting for those out-of-touch comments to be from TFW or someone she knows. Notice I didn't say from a friend, because I'm not sure if there's anyone in her life who hasn't been on her payroll.
Regarding the legitimacy of C's note...if it was fabricated, you better believe Schmoopy would've shouted it from the rooftops and hauled Jon back to court.
Wowser #127.....
Me too, I'd like to know what happened to Milo. Also Tucker's Mom & Auntie Ann. When frequent posters suddenly disappear it leaves you wondering why. I'm just hoping health issues weren't involved with any of them - Milo included.
Mady has a Kardashian style bathroom selfie in her instagram story today, torn jeans and the works. Oy.
Meanwhile, Collin is using his instagram to promote the fundraiser he's doing selling popcorn for the junior ROTC program. I'm so thrilled the young man has found something he's really interested in, and what's more such a fantastic program. This kid easily could of gone the way of I'm interested in drinking, or drugs, or having a bunch of girlfriends, or wandering around town with friends all evening, and other less productive and meaningful pursuits. I hope he does join the military upon graduation, it would give a kid like him true meaning and purpose.
I wonder if Kate has seen the picture of Collin in his ROTC uniform? How could it not touch her heart just a little to see her son in a military uniform and think of his future? Normal mothers would be proud and cry at the thought of her son actually enlisting when he gets older. Strangers feel the things towards her son that she is incapable of. It sounds harsh, but Kate was never equipped to be a mother. If she could have found another route to fame, she would have taken it in a heartbeat. She knows it, the world knows it and her kids know it. Being a mother was just a means to an end for her.
I wonder if Kate has seen the picture of Collin in his ROTC uniform? How could it not touch her heart just a little to see her son in a military uniform and think of his future? Normal mothers would be proud and cry at the thought of her son actually enlisting when he gets older.
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Heck I don't know the kid and it makes me cry. At his age after all he's been through, all HE wants to do is GIVE. When he should be just taking to make up for everything, no, instead he will serve. Give when he was not given a thing, serve when he was not served. He has emerged out of this whole thing with the most beautiful heart.
He's like a little Pat Tillman with an unwavering desire to give up what is certainly a very clear path ahead of him never wanting for money to instead serve his country. Of course the end result will I'm certain be very happy, he will be safe and come home a hero. What say you then Kate?
The courts have seen all the documentation and have allowed Collin and Hannah to choose and stay in Jon's custody. None of us have any business questioning the veracity of the letters or other materials. If Jon was lying about that on national television, the GAL would have hung him up in court by his bit pieces and removed Collin on an emergency order. The GAL's primary job is to protect the children. not Jon. not Kate. the children they are assigned. period. These kids have been props and pawns their entire childhoods. They deserve to be believed. They deserve to live their lives peacefully and on their own terms. If Mady wants to try to become an Instagram influencer, fine. She's an adult and the market will determine her viability.
It seems to me that Jon is perfectly happy letting his children grow up while telling his story without trying to monetize them as his income source. He has that right as well. Kate, however, seems to only be interested in utilizing the children as an income source and their brand has collapsed with the removal of 2 from her primary custody and another 2 in college. She's no longer a young mom struggling with 6 toddlers but a 40 something mom with 4 teenage kids under one roof... which makes her not all that unusual in America. To quote the kids from a couple years ago: she basic.
I wonder if TFW still has all 3 dogs. With only 4 cast members left to help her, and possibly fewer not-a-nannies on the payroll, taking care of 3 full-grown shepherds is probably a huge inconvenience. I never fell for Dog Lover Mom for a second.
Without a Crystal Ball just posted a new video yesterday, where she reads from TFW's "I Just Want You to Know" book her letter to Collin. https://youtu.be/wAU2mGrGVN8.
From Dmasy --
Happy Valentine's Day to all of you lovely people.
Dmasy (#140), same to you!
Happy Valentines Day Dmasy, flimsyflamsy, admin, all the posters here.
You can walk away from tv and spotlight, and, if you have pursued other interests, you can find other interests to spend your time on. check out this news story.
https://www.wtvr.com/news/originals/the-sadler-brothers-of-emporia-put-racing-in-the-rear-view
Refreshing story about the Sadler brothers. Goes to show you what you can do after you leave one career for a more permanent solid kind of life.
So I'm assuming TFW's radio silence continued through Valentine's Day?
No more foods cut into heart shapes, dished out in prison plates? Hmmmm, a cynical person might wonder if she was doing all that just for show.
FlimsyFlamsy (144)
Her radio silence is what convinces me that she really has been cut loose by TLC. Something has really thrown her for a loop, and it has to be filming because filming is the only thing in the world that is truly important to her. I also believe she is scrambling madly, trying to find someone to give her a show. Her life is nothing if she can't be on TV--it's what she lives for. Until she finds something, her fans will get nothing from her.
I hope everyone had a wonderful Valentine's Day! This year was so special because it was our first Valentine's Day with Sully. He has just made everyone's life so much brighter and happier. He had his first bites of baby food on the big day (he had some digestive problems earlier, but seems to have outgrown them) and he is a fan! I have video of the event, and his first couple bites were a shock to him. He spit them out. But then he realized that this was good stuff, and he couldn't get enough. His eyes just lit up and he was kicking his feet, cooing happily, opening his mouth for more bites. Such a happy baby. He just melts our hearts.
Glad to hear Sully is doing well and of the joy he brings to you and the family, Layla!I bet you can't help buying little boy things and spending all the time you can in his company.
From Dmasy --
Layla, your Sully stories are heart warming.
Thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks, Dmasy and Formerly! Sully is the light of our lives--you know how much effort and heartbreak it took for DS and DIL to bring this little guy into the world, and we don't take a second with him for granted. Yesterday DIL reminded about all the times she'd call me during fertility treatments, just devastated because she really believed a round had worked, but then found out it hadn't. I always told her, "Someday you WILL have a baby. And when you do, you're going to look at that little miracle and you're going to say that it was all worth it". And he is.
You all followed along this journey with me, and I wish you could see this little guy. He is just the happiest, most beautiful and joyous little thing ever. Lots of soft blond hair, big blue eyes, chubby cheeks--and chunky thighs just like his Nana's! He is a dream come true.
I wish we could see the little guy too Layla, he sounds adorable! It's amazing how much love babies bring into a home. Most homes that is, TFW didn't feel that way did she?
Thought I'd share a little something will all of you...
From Dmasy --
Oh Layla, what a little cherub. How can you not smile back?
Adorable and healthy happy baby...lovely smile. Thanks for sharing Layla!
Dmasy, he is pure joy!
Layla, what a sweet little smoosh Sully is! So glad you let us have a peek!
He's beautiful Layla & looks so happy!! I can just imagine kissing those chubby cheeks. You're all so very lucky to have him. I can't remember if he lives close to you or not.
Layla - What a beautiful boy your Sully is! He looks so happy in that picture and I know he has enriched your life.
I really wanted all of you to see him--you've followed along from the beginning, so you should know what he looks like. And yes, he is always that happy. He lives nearby so he gets to see grandparents, aunts, and uncles (on both sides) every day. He's used to being surrounded by adoring people, and he knows he is cherished by everyone. He's our little sunshine!
What an adorable love-bug, Layla. Thanks for showing him. Enjoy every minute with him. He’s really a cutie pie.
Layla...He is darling. Thanks for the pic.
Aw Layla he looks like he's cracking up! Love him!
Layla he is so cute!
Oh Layla, what a happy chunk-o-boy! I envy you the smiles and giggles. Thanks for letting us see him.
K8's IG followers are on the downturn again. They went back up to around 418.55K last week, but are now back below 418.3K. Not sure what this means, just keeping a record.
Yeah, he's a keeper. We spent an awesome morning blowing spit bubbles together. If you were to see me in public, you'd think I was a proper DC housewife, but you guys know the truth--I really love nothing better than throwing tacky Halloween parties in my driveway and blowing spit bubbles with my grandson. And if nobody's looking I might just drink milk from the carton--but only if it's the last bit that's in there, and definitely if it's chocolate milk. I trust that my secrets are safe with you.
Being a Nana now makes me wonder about the G kids' relationship with their grandparents. What really happened there? Did Kate really just cut them out and walk away? How could she do that when she has to know she's removing a source of love and nurturing from of her kids' lives? And didn't her parents fight for access to their grandchildren? I can't imagine being cut out of Sully's life, yet I know that his parents want him to grow up surrounded by people who adore him. They wouldn't remove someone who loves him unless they thought that person was somehow a danger to him or a bad influence. Mismatched clothes or used cribs aren't a good enough excuse. I suspect it had more to do with her desire to market the kids than anything else--she started that early. Imagine all the kids missed out on because of her greed and desire for fame.
Layla,
He is adorable. Having suffered infertility myself and finally blessed with two healthy children I am so happy for all of you. And this is one reason Kate pisses me off when she talks about her infertility. It took me two years to finally get pregnant the first time and within 6 months I think Kate was pregnant with the twins. I would move heaven and earth for my two because of our infertility. Even if I didn't suffer from infertility I would still move heaven and earth for them. Kate does not appreciate what she was blessed with.
Being a Nana now makes me wonder about the G kids' relationship with their grandparents. What really happened there? Did Kate really just cut them out and walk away?
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We may never know. Speaking of a much nicer and better Kate, Kate Middleton, she just was a guest on a podcast this week. When asked what was her best childhood memories, she immediately went to all the time she spent with "Granny." Not her parents, not her siblings, who are by all accounts nice people who provided her a nice childhood. Nope, Granny. That says a lot.
SaraMRN2010,
My DS/DIL struggled with infertility too, and I feel like maybe it makes us all appreciate this amazing little gift even more. You just want everyone in their lives to love them madly, yet Kate looked at them as a shortcut to fame and fortune and eliminated everyone who might get in the way. I can't imagine all the love and attention they were deprived of, simply because that might get in the way of their mother's ambition.
Admin (164)
I love that Kate M understands how important it is to have those relationships with extended family. I know when Sully is around, we all drop everything and focus on him. Mom and Dad can get busy doing other things, but grandparents are going to make you the center of their world when you're there. And I have to say, my favorite childhood memories are of the times I spent with my Grandma Dot. She made me feel like I was the most important person in the world to her. Kate G always gushed about her love for her grandparents, yet she denied that sort of relationship to her own kids. She's a horrible mother.
SaraMRN2010 (#163), it's always nice to see you. I appreciated your sentiments about how very precious your 2 children are to you, and moreso because of the struggle you endured to have them. TFW had people hoodwinked for a decade, but her cruelty and neglect finally revealed a cold, selfish woman who I can't even bear to call a mother.
Admin (164)
I love that Kate M understands how important it is to have those relationships with extended family. I know when Sully is around, we all drop everything and focus on him. Mom and Dad can get busy doing other things, but grandparents are going to make you the center of their world when you're there. And I have to say, my favorite childhood memories are of the times I spent with my Grandma Dot. She made me feel like I was the most important person in the world to her. Kate G always gushed about her love for her grandparents, yet she denied that sort of relationship to her own kids. She's a horrible mother.
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The podcast was lovely and was more than we usually hear Kate M. speak. She was sincere, laser focused on giving her children a childhood filled with sweet and simple memories, she is humble and self deprecating. She reminds me far more of Diana than she ever has before, which was not at all. Someone like TFW's idea of the best of the best childhood is trips to Paris and Australia. For Kate M., it's stomping in the mud in your boots.
Frankly, the only thing I can't figure out about her is why a mother who is so right so much of the time about what's in her children's best interest would ever have thought it was a good idea to have a child who has to be shackled to being king. I wonder if she has regrets, or if her understanding of what she did to her kids is realer to her now that she's much older. My money would have been on her pulling a Megxit before Meghan ever tried it.
I'm not sure I'm convinced Schmoopy had this warm, loving relationship with her grandparents. They're not here to refute anything, so maybe she chose them to brag about having a wonderful bond with at least some branch of her family tree. Like the gay guy who says he has a girlfriend in Canada to get everyone off his back.
I'm not sure I'm convinced Schmoopy had this warm, loving relationship with her grandparents. They're not here to refute anything, so maybe she chose them to brag about having a wonderful bond with at least some branch of her family tree. Like the gay guy who says he has a girlfriend in Canada to get everyone off his back.
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I wouldn't be surprised too if Kate manipulated her grandparents as poor put upon Katie and her parents are so mean. You know the type, that kid who is just so sweet and perfect for their grandparents/or insert other relative or friend, such that grandparents/others don't understand why on earth the parents are having such a difficult time with her.
That's Kate to a T, she loves to pit family against each other and manipulate.
Admin (#170), yes, narcissists are master manipulators, and I could certainly see TFW laying it on thick with her grandparents to control the narrative.
I also always thought it was nasty of Kate to always mention the grandparents when mentioning her family but never her own parents or anyone else. That's not to say one can't mention one's grandparents when recollecting one's childhood of course, but to never mention your OWN parents is as if to say they are horrid let's skip right over them and talk about grammy.
How convenient her grandparent aren't around to correct any discrepancies in her testimony.
She has to talk about her grandparents like she thought highly of them... they’re dead !!!! This makes her look somewhat empathetic... not buying it.... narcs have no empathy . They are masters of deception... it benefits her to look like she has feelings for someone who’s not around ... she’s a sick woman
She has to talk about her grandparents like she thought highly of them... they’re dead !!!! This makes her look somewhat empathetic... not buying it.... narcs have no empathy . They are masters of deception... it benefits her to look like she has feelings for someone who’s not around ... she’s a sick woman
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Oh she knows exactly what she's doing. Say "grandma" and people immediately go awww. I mean, how could anyone hate TFW given as she loved her grandparents so?
She'd be a total nightmare for a mother, mother-in-law, girlfriend, wife, daughter, etc.
JR (#172), yeah, talk about "talk is cheap." There is zero cost to TFW to claim a loving relationship with dead people, and it makes her look nice. Same as that slobbery, phony dog love that always rang hollow to me. Because that mask comes right off when we remember she tossed her 11-year-old son out of the house, never to allow him back in.
It's less than 3 months until the tups turn 16, and one third of them no longer live in the home their childhoods helped buy. Not a good look for their gestational carrier.
Admin... she loves no one but herself...welcome to narcissism...masters of perception management
Oh JR you hit the nail on the head! Perception management is what they do best, it’s got to be a tiresome lonely job. If you dare call them out on their BS, they will cut you deep! Most people close to a narcissist know the truth but it’s just not worth getting into it with them.
Layla, that baby is a doll! He looks like the happiest guy in the world. Enjoy each moment
Congratulations, Layla! He is beautiful! I know from personal experience how much love and joy a grandson is (or granddaughter!). Many blessings to you and your beautiful family forever.
I never understood how Kate could be so cavalier about cutting people out of her life. For most people that is a huge, painful decision to make, yet she cuts people off left and right and, as she says, "I just keep going". That's not how it works, at least for those of us with actual feelings. About 2 years ago I came to the decision that I could no longer have a relationship with our family narcissist (SIL). I can guarantee it was more painful for me than it was for her, but she was just too destructive to everyone she came in contact with. She manipulated everyone, hurt everyone, lashed out at anyone who questioned her--including my sons. I was not going to allow her to be verbally abusive to them. She walked out on her husband and kids after draining their savings, leaving them with massive debt. That is the reason why DH and I are paying for our nephews' college. We refused to let her take that opportunity from them. She is so much like Kate it's scary. Whenever we talk about the G kids' college funds, I` look at our narcissist's actions and I know for a fact that if she could get away with it, Kate would do the same thing. And she wouldn't feel the least bit bad about it because she thinks she comes first.
I cried when I made that decision. When I discussed it with my SIL, she shrugged and told me I was a cold, spoiled, unfeeling b!+ch who just didn't understand her. She had asked us for a huge amount of money--even though we had already loaned her a similar sum and she never repaid a dime. We said no to the second loan, so she decided that I was the reason she didn't get the money, and that I am greedy and keeping DH's money from going to his "real family--blood family". Apparently after 30 years and several kids, I am not "real" family and I should have no say in how our money is spent. She still says that, even though the money we did not give to her is being spent helping her abandoned sons get the education they need to be successful in life. She resents that, too, even though it benefits her kids.
Anyway, long story short--I recognize so much of what we see in Kate. In her mind, everyone else is at fault. She thinks she deserves everything that everyone else has, and she will lie, cheat, steal, manipulate to get it. If anyone gets in her way, then that person is bad and must be punished. I hated the decision I had to make, but I don't regret it. Life is more peaceful without her.
Narcissist have no empathy plain and simple... they are emotionally stunted ... they don’t care about anyone but themselves... I’m always amazed that people just can’t understand that .... these are mentally ill people
https://blindgossip.com/her-little-experiment/#more-100205
There is a story on Blind Gossip that could possibly be Kate. I wouldn’t put it past her.
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Although I wouldn’t put it past her, I really doubt this is her. The remaining 4 kids are turning 16 soon. And unless one of them is truly trans, I don’t see any of them going along with her “social experiment”. It would be one thing if the kids were much younger and blindly did anything they were told
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The Blind Gossip has to be a reality mom with little kids. There’s not many shows left that aren’t competition shows so I assume maybe it’s a real housewife. Or a Kardashian. How disrespects you families really going through something like that with their kid. The last thing they need is someone “pretending” to be facing this. It’s not a joke, kids have committed suicide over this struggle.
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Kate would definitely do that if she could get away with it. She'd do anything for attention. But the kids are way to old to just go along with something like that. Not to mention--who would notice?
Layla, you're right, for normal people cutting someone off is a decision filled with anguish and never made lightly. There are too many people Kate has cut off to believe that she has put such careful thought into such a thing. For her it's a method of first, not last, resort. This is what she will teach her children when it's time for them to decide what role Kate will play in their lives. For Collin the moment is already here, and Kate's out. Big surprise.
Recently a family member of mine has been struggling with their own mother's mental health and considering cutting them off. Ultimately they've decided that at least at the moment, the emotional anguish of cutting them off is not worth the benefits of cutting them off. This conclusion came after six months of careful thought, discussions with me and other people they trust, trying to work with this person and come to some boundaries that make them more comfortable, etc. They love each other, and any relationship like that is worth trying to work on.
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Without a Crystal Ball just posted a new video yesterday, where she reads from TFW's "I Just Want You to Know" book her letter to Collin. https://youtu.be/wAU2mGrGVN8.
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Thanks bjm19047. You just put me down the "Without a Crystal Ball" rabbit hole! lol! Good, bad, I'm not sure yet, but it sure is interesting....
The Dillard family posted a video on their website about taking their oldest some to register for kindergarten. They look like a normal little family. I am happy that their kids are getting some public school education. Like Jon said, it's important to expose them to all kids of people. I also think it's good considering that the homeschool curriculum the Duggar's used after the first few specials is rated as being poor for math and science. The program they used before that is poor in every subject. I hope Jill continues to grow as a person. Her world was so small growing up because her parents isolate the family.
Andrea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvuyZUiqOGU
Without a crystal Ball did a video about the Busbys. Apparently they're unsure about filming because of the way the show is edited, and they don't want to end up like the Gosselins. I never really got into their show, but I find it encouraging that they see the G family's experience as a warning to others about the pitfalls of filming their kids. I hope they decide to stop filming and allow their kids some privacy before it's too late, and be cautious of how love of filming can destroy a family.
Hmmm, I watched the rest of the video I liked above, and while I think she (Katie) has a lot of good points, she has others completely wrong. She said, "Over the years Kate took a lot of breaks, like long breaks, for the kids to have some time by themselves". Not true. Kate would have been happy to film 40 episodes a year, every year, if she could. Those long breaks were because TLC just wasn't filming them. In 2011 she was fired and she begged and pleaded for a new show nonstop until TLC took her back in 2011. She didn't want a break, she wanted to film. Then after the tups' 13th birthday there was a long break, but not because she wanted it. After the birthday episode someone asked if they'd have a premier that fall and she said, "I hope so!". Once again, the break was not her giving the kids time off. If she had her way about it, there would have been no breaks and no time off for the kids. I hate it when people give her credit for something she didn't do. Not only didn't she allow the kids time off to have some time to themselves, she was adamantly against it. The kids' best interests are the farthest thing from her mind.
Oops--above, I meant to say TLC took her back in 2014, not 2011.
Layla (#189), yeah, the idea that Mommie Dearest gave the kids those long breaks intentionally is pure fiction. A devastating divorce wasn't enough for her to keep the cameras out of those 8 Little Faces.
And, heck, she actually chose filming over her SON. C was kicked out and the show went on.
It seems relatively evident that absolutely nothing and I do me NOTHING will make the light bulb come on in Kate's head that hey, filming isn't worth all this then or now. That you can only burn so many bridges in your life.
Makes me ponder how she got through life with nobody ever telling her that she needed to expand her mind beyond being obsessed with this one thing in her life. Oh, wait...they all got last aside. Well, now that filming, her obsession, is no longer around, what, is she going to cast herself aside now that she's so quiet? She did say once we'd never hear from her again. Did I miss it? Has that day come?
On another note, am I the oldest person alive? I feel like I am as of last night. Watching television with my son. And this commercial comes on for something called Jersey Shore, up until today I knew it as a beach and only a beach. My son just grins and say, oh mom, don't you know they're being reunited? I asked how do you reunite a beach? I hadn't actually been IN the room, I was in the kitchen, which is just off the living room so I hadn't seen the commercial. Apparently he enjoyed my asking. Turns out it's people, not a beach. I've never watched it. But doesn't sound like I missed anything of value however.
Layla (#189), and your comment reminded me of one of TFW's most memorable assertions: that the show's production team was like family, and her children had "crew daddies." I'm guessing that bond was exaggerated to help convince the world that it was A-okay to have strangers film her children for double-digit hours in a day without any on-set advocate. But if, indeed, some of the kids formed intense connections with these men, was she sensitive to that loss when filming ended? Has she made an effort to help the kids stay in touch with them through letters or email? Or were they all "deleted" like their beloved dad and brother, when they no longer knew how to help her?
FlimsyFlamsy (193)
If TLC is truly done with her and she knows it, then she will not put any effort into maintaining a relationship between the kids and their "crew daddies". The crew never meant anything to her, and if they're not there to film her, then they might as well not exist. I saw the clip (many times) when she said it was time to "stop playing 'we're filming a TV show' and get some real work done, because I'm really done here". That stuck in my mind because she expected them to do manual labor for her, even though they had an actual job to do. She always barked orders at Jon and expected him to do the actual work, and once he was gone it looked like she did the same with the crew. Jon was expendable, and so are they. So she's basically banished every father figure they ever had. Good job, Kate. Way to raise emotionally healthy kids. (dripping with sarcasm here...)
Layla (#194), she was hyper aware of the cameras being on her. That's why it was hilarious when there was an injury at a trampolining place while they were filming and Nurse Ratchet jumped in to help, claiming she "forgets cameras often!" This is the same woman whose little boy slammed his head into a pole while enthusiastically getting off a plane and Florence Nightingale's reaction was "Sometimes God builds in punishments." Heifer.
FlimsyFlamsy (195)
Oh, she was so aware of those cameras. And she wanted them on her at all times. And she was willing to make a complete fool of herself to keep them trained on her. I remember my Aunt Win, who was a big fan of the show, saying that the moment she realized that Kate had completely jumped the shark and the show would never go back to being cute was during the New York trip. Kate and the kids were in the top section of a double decker bus and Kate started waving her arm like an idiot. She seemed like she was going to say something, but one of the kids was talking so she just kept waving moronically until the kid stopped talking, then said, "Hello, Mr. Empire State Building". Now, a normal mother showing her kids the sights of NYC would point the building out to her kids and say, "That's the Empire State Building", and maybe follow up with some facts. Not Kate. It was all a gimmick to get the cameras to focus on her. I'll always remember how Win described the way Kate looked--"Like one of those big, stupid inflatable noodle guys flapping in the wind at a used car lot". I still have that picture in my mind. In fact, I can never see that episode because I don't want to give up the image that's burned in my brain.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 195
Layla (#194), she was hyper aware of the cameras being on her.
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I think of many things that she did to call attention to herself. Throwing fit about gum or ice cream on clothes, making the kids quit pumpkin carving because of the mess, the overly amount of time they interviewed her on the couch. Fits on that RV trip. Many many other examples. Those episodes could have been filled with a lot more of the kids having fun but she wouldn't give up that much of her time.
I still think she refused to go on a show like Matchmaker Patty's, or bachelor, or that cougar dating show etc because she had to share it with others and not be the 'stah'. It must have killed her to do Celeb Apprentice because there were so many others who got camera time she wanted.
Ingrid(197)
She still tried to make herself the center of attention on The Apprentice, didn't she? The same juvenile antics, like calling Trump "your honor". That led into a sob story about how she spends sooo much time in court, which must have delighted her because she's accomplishing 3 things at once: 1) she's making herself the center of attention/keeping the camera on her, 2) she's telling a sob story and gaining sympathy, and 3) she's throwing shade at Jon for taking her to court so often. I'm sure she couldn't have been happier.
As far as her dating show goes, I suspect she still saw herself as a huge star and thought the show would get huge ratings with just her. She'd been begging for a dating show for more than a decade, and I think she and TLC both really thought this was going to be a hit. They must have been just floored when it performed so poorly. What now? She believed for so long that a dating show was going to take her back to 2008-level fame and it didn't. Now the kids are getting older and some are gone, court orders are getting in the way, ratings have been miserable for years and years, and she has nothing left to sell. TLC has cut her loose before, but this time I think it's final.
Layla (#189), yeah, the idea that Mommie Dearest gave the kids those long breaks intentionally is pure fiction.
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Pure fiction. And during the breaks imposed by TLC she was likely spending most of her time figuring out ways to get her mug back on TV.
Admin (#199), she didn't even give them a break when she tossed their brother out. Just dialed People magazine for a photo shoot to profit off that horrific milestone, and went on to film the rest of the episodes as if he never existed.
And the writing was on the wall for poor C when she claimed the tups' birthday celebration without him was the best one ever.
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