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| For years, Hannah has always been one of the most affectionate children toward Jon. |
Wednesday, August 23, 2017
Police called during brutal custody exchange of Hannah
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| For years, Hannah has always been one of the most affectionate children toward Jon. |
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 834 Newer› Newest»Hannah still refused to leave Jon though, which is when the cops called the judge. “He told the officers to tell Hannah that if she didn’t go home with her mother, he was going to stick her in foster care. Hannah said, ‘Ok, I will go to foster care.'”
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I need to emphasize that a judge can and would be thrown off the bench for having ex parte communications like this. They are very careful and guarded about it. So I don't know where that came from but I'm very confident it's not true.
I had to mentally take myself out of the equation. This was about my son wanting to grow up with his little brother. I can't tell you the days and nights I laid on his bed and cried myself to sleep. I shut his bedroom door for months so I wouldn't be triggered.
Such a blessing to put your kids before yourself. I had the blessing of having my son AND his little brother every year the week before Christmas! His little brother (my extra-son) is in college now and we are close. I'm close with his step-mother and her family (she is now divorced from my ex - and they remain close).
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When you say you love your boy and put him first, you actually put your money where you mouth is and prove it under very upsetting circumstances. Because at the end of the day its not what was best for YOU, it was what was best for him.
And the blessing came back around for you, which is just heartwarming.
I know parents who have put aside animosities over step kids, welcomed them in, and gained, in many cases unexpectedly, a DAUGHTER or SON. They decided to forget it about the "step" and just call them their kid because nobody wanted anyone to feel they're just half a child.
Literally the kids say I have two mommies and daddies.
Why would a judge grant joint custody all of a sudden?? What's going on for that to happen? I think there's a lot we don't know....maybe Hannah doesn't want to live with Kate anymore
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There was a lot of tabloid stories about it when it came out, and police reports. Hannah's been really pushing for more time with her father, and Kate freaked out over it, even accusing him of sexual abuse. It's not unusual to make a big custody change like this in light of what we know. It's a change in circumstances, a child very unsatisfied with current orders and reason to believe a change would be in her best interest.
But it takes time to prepare a case and get back into court and the incident, horrible as it was for everyone involved except for the gestational carrier, did not meet the standards to warrant the child's immediate removal from the home by the police. Khate may have 2 court hearings on her schedule now--one with Jon, the other with CPS.
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Police RARELY remove kids here. Only in extreme situations like mom is blasted out of her mind and might kill the kid if they don't arrest her and remove the kid. More often than not they just inform CPS in a cross referral there could be an issue and CPS takes it from there.
You really are supposed to get a warrant to remove kids. A situation like this, somebody might ask for a warrant, but I doubt they'll get it. I'm betting in this situation CPS will hold off and see if a new family law order from the judge can resolve this without CPS having their own separate. case. And yeah, the more Kate goes nuts the better Jon's chances of custody are, plus now we know Hannah wants to go with him which is a very big factor when a child is this old. Different if she were still 8 years old.
IF (again with the qualifier) the tabloid story is accurate, the police told Kate to get the child. In that situation, it is not okay for the father to tell the child to ignore an order from a police officer. That is what the court system is for, as you of all people should know.
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I missed the comment that the police TOLD Kate to do that. I also don't know that Jon heard the police tell Kate that, if they did. If he were inside his vehicle wouldn't the police have to be standing right up next to him to hear what they are telling Kate to do? Of course he should address things through the courts, but court orders need to be enforced at some point, and that's where police address it in the field.
Blue lives matter.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 5
IF (again with the qualifier) the tabloid story is accurate, the police told Kate to get the child. In that situation, it is not okay for the father to tell the child to ignore an order from a police officer. That is what the court system is for, as you of all people should know.
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I missed the comment that the police TOLD Kate to do that. I also don't know that Jon heard the police tell Kate that, if they did. If he were inside his vehicle wouldn't the police have to be standing right up next to him to hear what they are telling Kate to do? Of course he should address things through the courts, but court orders need to be enforced at some point, and that's where police address it in the field.
Blue lives matter.
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I have no idea why you keep adding the "blue lives matter" tag. Is it necessary to bring politics into this? I said that Jon should tell his daughter to follow a police order, for goodness sake. That's hardly an anti-police position.
Police make mistakes. IF the scenario is as it's been reported, they exercised poor judgment by telling Kate to get the child rather than getting her out of the car themselves and giving everyone a chance to cool down.
I need to emphasize that a judge can and would be thrown off the bench for having ex parte communications like this. They are very careful and guarded about it. So I don't know where that came from but I'm very confident it's not true.
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Thank you! I wanted to say that but since I don't work in the field, I thought I'd better keep it to myself. I don't believe that detail either. Could it be that the cops PRETENDED to call the judge and lied to Hannah, in an attempt to get her to cooperate and end the public scene? Yeah, she's 13 but if one cop stepped away to "make the phone call" would she know any better? There's always the option that this was just an over the top, fabricated detail. InTouch, who allegedly has the video (or acces to it), told a different story and made no mention of this bit.
Also, if the court order stated that they both have equal custody of Hannah, the "vague phrasing" makes sense. If it's equal, then both parents could claim the child must leave with them. It also fits with asking Hannah who she wants to go with. When both parents have equal rights, it makes sense for the 13 year old to make the decision doesn't it?
If Jon gets custody of Hannah, Kate plus 8 is dead. Here's hoping.
Thank you, officer, for doing your job and DEALING with a family law situation. And it sounds like they did exactly what they should. A parent was being inappropriate by escalating, so they requested she leave. Thank you.
Blue lives matter.
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So Kate was escalating IN the orthodontic office?
She still doesn't see anyone around her.
How ridiculous and embarrassing.
No doubt about it she had marked Hannah as her golden child for years. But, there was a clear shift in recent years, where the golden child shifted decidedly to Mady.
I couldn't quite figure it out, but it's becoming clearer why that happened.
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I think additionally, Mady knows where the bodies are buried.
The last thing you need is shit like this going down pending a big trial. It does NOT look good on Kate that Jon was forced to call the cops on her. Not at ALL. Big mistake. Huge.
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omg, I didn't think of that. Yes, it does look terrible.
Among her problems is that Kate is not at all adaptable.
It's been 8 years and frankly, it's amazing that Kate has has such control and her own way for SO long.
Now, when the kids inevitably are going to express their minds about where they want to live and how often they want to see Jon, Kate is apoplectic.
Someone else said it best, get these kids a damn minors counsel/guardian ad litem, NOW. ALL OF THEM.
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If it doesn't happen now, it probably never will.
Jon and Kate's situation has been so volatile that it's hard to believe that it hasn't happened sooner.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 78
“Kate [Gosselin]‘s heart gets rocked whenever she hears that her children prefer to be with their father over her. Kate has been the ever present, dutiful good parent for years, while Jon [Gosselin] has been an unstable, inconsistent father providing little to no structure to their large family,” a source close to the Gosselins tells HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY."
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Why is it a f-ing competition? Why can't Kate just accept sometimes the kids would prefer Jon? There are going to be times they prefer her, too.
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Isn't this what most divorce and custody looks like?
Dad gets one day a week and every other weekend, and holidays and vacations are hammered out between the two parents?
Why does this make fathers so marginal?
Kate's whole narrative has been that she's done it ALL.
ALL ALONE.
But, that's always been patently false.
God forbid Jon get any credit.
She's so pathological.
There is no evidence Jon does not provide "consistency and structure" for these children. Seems to me he has been incredibly consistent with giving them a normal life--free of cameras with him, out to eat at local places, attending local events, going on a summer vacation to the shore sans cameras, going to school and doing sports.
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Jon has given the kids who see him a sense of normalcy, and it shows.
After all these years, Kate and her camp is STILL trying to paint Jon as a bad parent, and some of her fans STILL think Jon was the bad guy, cheating on poor Kate.
That is extremely unprofessional and even dangerous. You don't go out in the field threatening to file lawsuits. Plus, does she even represent Kate? I'm sure Kate's lawyer would be really pissed to know some other attorney is "handling" the situation. Buzz off!
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This sound unethical and grounds for review, no?
Lawyers don't have the right to go around threatening people, do they?
You file cases with courts, I thought.
Shocked but not surprised to be reading about this. I am so sorry Hannah has to go through this but at least the public and TLC will see how Kate is preventing her child from going with her father during HIS custody time. Gee, I wonder where her CHIEF of security was. What a joke. And what a bully move calling her "friend" who is her attorney. The only friends she has is the ones she pays. And that includes Jamie (filming of course).
"Police told ET that Kate was escorted out of the building after the incident." "Kate always did like a police escort." Great retort! That was funny.
Touching story and hats off to Hoosier Girl for being selfless in her mothering.
Gee, Kate is accusing Jon of sexually abusing Hannah yet Hannah wants to go with him.That makes zero sense. And if that is true in Kate's mind, that why does she let her kids visit with him at all. Just a horrible accusation for Jon. I am glad though all her children will know what a horrible liar she.
And I hope TLC really stops filming now that they have Collin living in lala land and Hannah begging and holding on with her life and limb to get away from their mother. Gee TLC, I think Kate has been lying to you about her wonderful home life.
Beth, Jodi, Kevin, and Kate's parents must be at wits end having to read about this. I bet they know a lot more than all of us. And it ain't good.
Thanks Admin., for clarifying that a police officer cannot just call a judge. I don't know law but I knew that made no sense.
And I really enjoyed reading about the recap about the room switch. That family cannot get along no matter what they do and what they get. It is really sad.
His attorney, Kristen Doleva-Lecher, tells E! News that a separate exchange took place on Aug. 15 in a parking lot and as a result, Jon is making an effort to "do what is right."
Doleva-Lecher explains, "The ability to co-parent is desirous in all custody matters, unfortunately in this case, it remains a theory, not a reality."
Jon's legal representative could not share details regarding past or future court hearings, citing the "Gag Order," but did express her client's intentions in fighting Kate on the matter.
"However," she says, "it should be known Jon has been aggressively and relentlessly fighting for his kids. Jon is frustrated by recent events but will not be derailed in his efforts to do what is right."
http://www.eonline.com/news/875417/jon-gosselin-is-relentlessly-fighting-for-his-kids-after-multiple-confrontations-with-kate-gosselin-lawyer-says
A new story on the spats (yes, there WERE two involving police) this morning on Eonline, with comments from Jon's lawyer.
http://www.eonline.com/news/875417/jon-gosselin-is-relentlessly-fighting-for-his-kids-after-multiple-confrontations-with-kate-gosselin-lawyer-says
"Jon's legal representative could not share details regarding past or future court hearings, citing the "Gag Order," but did express her client's intentions in fighting Kate on the matter.
"However," she says, "it should be known Jon has been aggressively and relentlessly fighting for his kids. Jon is frustrated by recent events but will not be derailed in his efforts to do what is right."
I haven't seen K8's heart-rocked story picked up anywhere. People mag will probably have detailed "exclusive" coverage on that later today, LOL.
For as sensitive as Colin is, witnessing stuff like that would have sent him over the edge. Maybe not living at home is the best for him after all.
For the other kids...there are just no words. I'm just sad for them.
#NookiePookie's been enlisted this morning to buttress Kate's heart rocking.
kateplusmy8 2nd day of school... some momma is missing her kids😥.. but at least she has plenty of puppies to keep her busy! 😂😂😂 #Nanuq #Mak #Shoka #LetsPlayBall
The family is imploding, and I'm sure TLC is having an emergency meeting to discuss filming again. The highest ratings ever were during the divorce. People will tune in looking for the cracks to start showing. Those poor kids, what a way to start off a school year.
Many details are wrong, but this site gets a lot of views.
http://www.celebitchy.com/547271/in_touch_kate_gosselin_pulled_daughters_arm_so_hard_she_had_to_go_to_hospital/
Wanna know what "egging on" looks like in the G family? TFW impatiently clapping in her daughters' faces on LIVE TV and encouraging them to "use their words" and say bad things about their father to millions of people.
We've talked before about how deceptive the word "routine" can be. Does doing something on a regular basis make it right? The tups' routine used to be getting herded into the basement with the door locked, followed by 3- or 4-hour naps until their father got home. And the routine for all
the kids in the past decade or so has been going to school, filming some afternoons and evenings, and then filming on weekends. Doesn't make it right.
Police make mistakes. IF the scenario is as it's been reported, they exercised poor judgment by telling Kate to get the child rather than getting her out of the car themselves and giving everyone a chance to cool down.
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Incorrect. Every protocol and common sense would suggest that the police first try to see if the parent themselves can retrieve the child before you go in as a stranger, intimidating and locked and loaded, to get her. That's just sound judgement, not poor judgement. They couldn't have had the foggiest notion that Kate would then proceed to pull her arm to the point of hospitalization. That was not something anyone anticipated. If they knew that I'm sure they would have gotten her themselves. They help with these family law situations all. The. Time and most of the time it shouldn't be any problem at all to instruct a parent to retrieve a child.
"...both of them had gone to the appointment together with her. "
That seems unusual that J and K would both go to the appt when they never attend things together.
Sad but true (#18), oh, boy, what a feeble attempt at distraction. Her heart's just not in it. I bet she's scared.
"Some momma is missing her kids." But not her.
Every protocol and common sense would suggest that the police first try to see if the parent themselves can retrieve the child before you go in as a stranger, intimidating and locked and loaded, to get her.
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I would agree if H were a toddler. But how would the expect the mother to get a raging, sturdy, adrenaline filled teenager from a car. What was needed here was de-escalation techniques that LE uses with mental health situations. And Hannah was definately having a mental health crisis.
http://dbhids.org/about/organization/office-of-mental-health/crisis-intervention-team-training/
My daughter went through a similar crisis when she did not want to go TO her dads and her dad called the police. (He was not there, she would not get in my car). LE who showed up were AWESOME. There was a woman officer who took her outside and talked to her separately, telling her she herself had been through things as well. She got my dd calmed down but I forget what wound up happening with the visit..either my ex backed off or she agreed to go. She was H's age at the time.
DD was being emotionally abused by her stepmother (a narcissist) at the time..Now at 20 she can see clearly what she went through
Did I include this link?
http://dbhids.org/about/organization/office-of-mental-health/crisis-intervention-team-training/
Not to mention they were dealing with a nutjob in Kate.
I just remembered how TFW smugly claimed that as a celebrity, she is repeatedly questioned about hurting her children (?!), but that, of course, they never find anything. Well, son of a gun, now it's documented in a police report.
On FB this morning, Jon put up a message that was #save the Gosselin Kids. There were a ton of comments from people in the area in huge support of Jon. Jon wrote one comment in response to someone elses comment and that was "It was my custody time and I was taking her'. So that answered the question, straight from the horse's mouth that it was his custody, not Kate's. What a bitch.
I would agree if H were a toddler. But how would the expect the mother to get a raging, sturdy, adrenaline filled teenager from a car. What was needed here was de-escalation techniques that LE uses with mental health situations. And Hannah was definately having a mental health crisis.
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Hannah was raging when they asked Kate to retrieve her? I was under the impression she raged AFTER Kate tried to retrieve her. How could they have known she would do that?
Unless we see a video, I'm not going to second guess the cops' decisions in this. Not playing that game. They made certain calls with the information they had and what they could observe in that moment. She could have been even more upset if a cop tried to touch her, who knows. I'm not a cop nor do I have extensive training in how to resolve custody disputes in the field nor do I have experience actually resolving them in the field. They do. They also have the sucky job of making calls based on what they see, hear and know, and then have people second guess it a million times over who weren't there and didn't experience what they did. I can't believe anyone would sign on to be a cop right now, and it's tragic.
Belatedly chuckling about Nick Moy comparing TFW to Martha Stewart and JK Rowling. He/she's not just drinking the Kool-Aid, he's probably mainlining it.
"It was my custody time and I was taking her'. So that answered the question, straight from the horse's mouth that it was his custody, not Kate's. What a bitch.
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My money is on someone else's suggestion that Kate tried to introduce confusion by saying it wasn't a school day. If the bitch can find a loophole she will take it instead of just sucking it up and letting her go without incident. None of this had to happen, that's the tragic part. And after all this what does she honestly expect to happen, Hannah will now want to go with HER more than ever? She's so stupid.
We've talked before about how deceptive the word "routine" can be. Does doing something on a regular basis make it right?
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Exactly. Your routine could be getting exploited every weekend. Some routine.
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#NookiePookie's been enlisted this morning to buttress Kate's heart rocking.
kateplusmy8 2nd day of school... some momma is missing her kids😥.. but at least she has plenty of puppies to keep her busy! 😂😂😂 #Nanuq #Mak #Shoka #LetsPlayBall
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No Khate is not missing her kids this morning, Milo you twit. What she's missing is her mid-morning nap because she's doing damage control, planting stories, blowing up her lawyer's phone, and plotting her revenge on Jon and Hannah.
Now that's the "realest reality show" or "stand with me or against me".
When I think of TFW's behavior, it reminds me of an old Brady Bunch episode when Greg and Marcia are fighting about who is the best driver. They have a contest on an obstacle course, and whoever gets closest at the end to a pile-on with an egg on it, without knocking the egg down, is the winner. Marcia gets very close, and then it's Greg's turn, and he's afraid of losing, and after inching up at very end, he steps on the gas. Splat -- the egg falls, and Marcia wins.
TFW doesn't believe in finesse or subtlety or discretion or patience. She just steps on the gas.
Doleva-Lecher explains, "The ability to co-parent is desirous in all custody matters, unfortunately in this case, it remains a theory, not a reality."
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Jon's attorney is professional and restrained. And she hit the nail on the head, co-parenting is not a reality here.
I'm guessing a big implication from Kate's "routine" comment is Jon's girlfriends.
Which is rich coming from someone who has introduced a wide variety of people to the children, had them love them, then taken them away. Why is that different, because they weren't actually Kate's boyfriend?
The kids are teens and almost adults. I'm sure they can emotionally handle the idea that not every relationship is going to work out and be happy and encouraging of their father to find the right stepmom for them.
In family law court often the parents have to pay for the minors' counsel. You split it 50-50. It can be upwards of tens of thousands of dollars depending on how much time they spend.
I wonder if that's why it's been resisted, because it's a significant added expense. The judge should just pay for it out of court funds and be done with it, this is ridiculous.
Of course she was raging. She was refusing to get out of the car. That requires de-escalation not escalation. Cops need training on this as it helps them and the public. It keeps the cops safer.
Ok take out the word raging. How was she supposed to get a sturdy 13 year old out of a car she was refusing to leave? Not sure why so defensive..no one said Blue Lives don't Matter here 🤔. I can think they should have handled it differently and still have enormous respect for them
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The family is imploding, and I'm sure TLC is having an emergency meeting to discuss filming again. The highest ratings ever were during the divorce. People will tune in looking for the cracks to start showing. Those poor kids, what a way to start off a school year.
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GG, I would agree with you if it was 2009 and the divorce period. But I tend to agree with the poster on the previous thread who said something to the effect of TLC is congratulating themselves on deciding to stop filming because they knew things were really getting out of control. I'm paraphrasing, can't go back and find the post right now.
I like to think that the American viewing public has matured and more people see thru Ms. Kreider's act than they did in 2009. Ms. Kreider herself has repeatedly shown us her cracks during her own show of horrors, but by her appearances on DWTS, the Today Show, at the Grove, etc. If TLC was to film what's left of the family now, the outrage from the public would be intense, and would be one more point the kids can cite in their future lawsuit(s) against TLC and their gestational carrier. A big risk for ratings.
Just unbelievable...she posts a video like nothing happened...trying to change the subject...it's so sick it's funny....she is a cold hearted bitch...after that there's no way I would even think of that...I would be so distraught
It appears that Jon, finally, has competent legal representation. I have no doubt she has advised Jon on how best to deal with Kate should she interfere with custody issues. Jon took the proper action, imo, and called the police when Kate started her nonsense.
Manipulation and guilt tripping at its finest (if this is accurate): "You have brothers and sisters who need to see you!” Kate reportedly said to Hannah.
Not even going to comment on Collin needing the same thing. I suppose the irony of that statement escapes Kate, but whatever.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/23/jon-kate-gosselin-custody-battle-violent-fight-hannah-hospital/#respond
And she must be sitting on her IG with a Swiffer bc so far not one negative comment.
Localyocul said... 42
Ok take out the word raging. How was she supposed to get a sturdy 13 year old out of a car she was refusing to leave?
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She wasn't. Hannah was in no danger, this was a battle of wills. She should have respected Hannah's wishes and then talked to her lawyer. To spend 3 HOURS engaged in this nastiness in public is about the most irrational thing she could do. Her hair-trigger reaction to every single thing, big or small, is, at best, inappropriate in front of her children.
Kris (#47), you're right. Poor Schmoopy may have even had to forgo her post-bus-stop nap to swiffer!
I think it's particularly humiliating that this standoff happened at the kids' orthodontist's office. It's not like having a scene at a restaurant or grocery store, and then just realizing you can't go there ever again. These kids have, and will, be going to this office for YEARS. How awful.
Well of course Kate spent 3 hrs trying to get H - she could never see the forest through the trees. For her, its not about H, it's about winning, plain and simple. And destroying Jon.
The articles that mention Jon saying to H "fight it", and "hold on", and "I can't help you", makes me think that possibly a court has stated that the children have a say in the matter? That's why he wouldn't intervene in making her stay. He was letting H decide.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 50
I think it's particularly humiliating that this standoff happened at the kids' orthodontist's office. It's not like having a scene at a restaurant or grocery store, and then just realizing you can't go there ever again. These kids have, and will, be going to this office for YEARS. How awful.
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YES. How humiliating for the kids.
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Localyocul said... 42
Ok take out the word raging. How was she supposed to get a sturdy 13 year old out of a car she was refusing to leave?
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She wasn't. Hannah was in no danger, this was a battle of wills. She should have respected Hannah's wishes and then talked to her lawyer. To spend 3 HOURS engaged in this nastiness in public is about the most irrational thing she could do. Her hair-trigger reaction to every single thing, big or small, is, at best, inappropriate in front of her children.
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Exactly. I used to try and take my daughter's phone away in the heat of a moment when she did something disrespectful and it would escalate things. I learned to wait a while, then just call and have service cancelled temporarily LOL
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Just unbelievable...she posts a video like nothing happened...trying to change the subject...it's so sick it's funny....she is a cold hearted bitch...after that there's no way I would even think of that...I would be so distraught
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What's the video about? Dogs?
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 49
Kris (#47), you're right. Poor Schmoopy may have even had to forgo her post-bus-stop nap to swiffer!
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Yep. Called it earlier. If posting videos and dealing with school days redirects her energy and keeps her calmish, more power to her. She must miss those days when the talk shows wanted her as a guest/TLC set up press junket when she had the show to talk about.
I noticed something interesting in the Hollywood Gossip article. All the previous articles from In Touch, etc. only mentioned the current 50/50 custody of Hannah with an upcoming trial. But Hollywood Life states the trial will determine whether Jon will get 50/50 custody of all the sextuplets. His lawyer didn't indicate in her statement that he was seeking 50/50 custody of all of the sextuplets. But IF true, it would be a good thing for the sextuplets. But could the other 5 have been added to the trial re: Hannah or would it taken a new filing re: all the sextuplets? I'm just not sure Hollywood Life has their facts straight. It might be a better legal strategy to start with Hannah to set the precedent, then go back to court as more of the children find their voices and express their wishes.
What does 50/50 custody look like? 3 days 1 week and 4 days the next week? Or alternating a week at a time with the parents? I don't think the last one would be a good choice due to Khate's gaslighting of the kids--Jon would have to spend his week undoing it.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 30
I just remembered how TFW smugly claimed that as a celebrity, she is repeatedly questioned about hurting her children (?!), but that, of course, they never find anything. Well, son of a gun, now it's documented in a police report.
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I remember the smug look on Kate's face when she told Amy Robock (sp) that only SHE knows where Collin is.
I think when Jon said, "I can't help you", indicates he was the adult in the situation. If he had got involved in the pulling match just think how this would have made matters even worse.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 38
Doleva-Lecher explains, "The ability to co-parent is desirous in all custody matters, unfortunately in this case, it remains a theory, not a reality."
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Jon's attorney is professional and restrained. And she hit the nail on the head, co-parenting is not a reality here.
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I truly believe Kate never wanted to co-parent. Jon is an inconvenience that she must work around, not work with.
Remember when she complained about having someone else dare try to tell her how to raise her kids, when he sees them so little?
(or something like that)
That right there was her manifesto, in a nutshell.
Remember when she complained about having someone else dare try to tell her how to raise her kids, when he sees them so little?
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I do remember that and I think it was, in part, Katespeak for "How dare he tell the kids that they don't have to film if they don't want to". Nobody is going to tell her that she can't film the hell out of her kids. TFW loves the money but more than that she is addicted to the fame and to being "someone". If filming goes away so does the fame and she'll drop from has-been D Lister to Z Lister trying to get on any reality show that she can.
bm (#56), I'm convinced that if Jon had laid a pinky on his child in the middle of this, TFW would've had him put behind bars. It would give her tremendous pleasure to see him suffer, no matter how that impacted their children.
She told hospital employees that Jon was a "danger" to Hannah. This isn't the first time she pulled that revolting suggestion out of her rear end.
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I truly believe Kate never wanted to co-parent. Jon is an inconvenience that she must work around, not work with.
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This reminds me of Rose in Titanic, as she describes her mother: "But my mother looked at him like an insect. A dangerous insect, which must be squashed quickly."
Belatedly chuckling about Nick Moy comparing TFW to Martha Stewart and JK Rowling. He/she's not just drinking the Kool-Aid, he's probably mainlining it.
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Something much stronger, and smoking or snorting it. That person is a total nutcase! Has to be Hole-in-Heart Sheeple, or man-hating Goofy Goody.
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She told hospital employees that Jon was a "danger" to Hannah. This isn't the first time she pulled that revolting suggestion out of her rear end.
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If this is true, I hope it's grounds for legal action against Kate. If these stories are true-that Kate has told officials that Jon has been abusing his kids-I don't know how she hasn't been penalized.
This reminds me of Rose in Titanic, as she describes her mother: "But my mother looked at him like an insect. A dangerous insect, which must be squashed quickly."
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This^^ Exactly!!
Kate is never going to be relegated to steerage again...as God is her witness!
Anonymous said... 60
She told hospital employees that Jon was a "danger" to Hannah. This isn't the first time she pulled that revolting suggestion out of her rear end.
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I'd love to see Jon's lawyer ask her to explain that accusation under oath, lock her into some crazy non-answer, then sue her ass the next time she slanders Jon with that same accusation.
I think the judge must have signed a temporary order granting 50/50 custody, pending a trial to determine a permanent custody split.
The "Kate's heart is rocked" statement referenced the kids (plural_ preferring to be with Jon. That means H is not the only one who wants to be with Jon. H may be the one who is tough enough to fight for it.
I am so impressed with Jon's restraint in all this. Kate would love nothing more than for him to have said or done something out of line during these confrontations. Then she could use it against him in court. But instead of becoming physically involved in the first dispute, he restrained himself and instead she was the one who caused physical harm to H. Then in the Ortho office, he called the police instead of escalating the dispute. Kate was the one who was our of control and had to be removed. When court time comes, that should show the judge which parent is out of control, and which one just wants to do what's best for the child.
It looks like Kate is really irritated that Jon has some stability in his life now. He has been a DJ for about 3 years, and seems to be doing well. He and Colleen have been together for 3 years or so, too, so he's in a stable relationship. Kate, however, is unemployed, still involved with her married "bodyguard", and living off her kids.
How can Kate claim that Jon is a danger to H and have him removed, but she--who just physically injured her child with police looking on--is allowed to stay with the child she assaulted? Does that make any sense at all? Who makes these decisions?
Tucker's Mom said... 65
Kate is never going to be relegated to steerage again...as God is her witness!
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New game!?
As God is her witness . . . . you ain't heard nothing yet!
What does 50/50 custody look like? 3 days 1 week and 4 days the next week?
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My nephew has joint custody of his 2 boys and, with his new wife, lives in the same small town as his ex-wife and her husband, and their son born after she remarried. His ex has the boys from Saturday at 5 pm until after school on Wednesday; my nephew has them from Wed 5 pm to Sat at 5 pm. They've had it this way for a few years and works best for all. The boys are involved in several sports throughout the year; everyone attends practices and games no matter whose custody it is. They work out extra/less time based on everyone's schedules and all get along. My nephew even takes his ex's son fishing with his boys sometimes, when the other dad has to work (the other dad sometimes goes along with them).
I remember the smug look on Kate's face when she told Amy Robock (sp) that only SHE knows where Collin is.
Yes I remember that! With such an evil icy expression that she had in her eyes. How is sleeps at night is beyond me.
I wonder if Collin was sent to live with that "friend" of hers in Colorado. I just don't see a behavioral facility holding him for this long. I'm sure the truth will come out one day.
C was defiant and look where it got him? Im sure more will follow if she could help it. Her house of cards is falling and she knows it
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She told hospital employees that Jon was a "danger" to Hannah. This isn't the first time she pulled that revolting suggestion out of her rear end.
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I'd love to see Jon's lawyer ask her to explain that accusation under oath, lock her into some crazy non-answer, then sue her ass the next time she slanders Jon with that same accusation.
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So in what way is he dangerous? She keeps this up and everyone will know that she's nuts. For her sake, better to keep her mouth SHUT, although I think now others may be seeing her as the paranoid, delusional, hate-filled, vindictive person she really is.
Who is her attorney of record? Are Laverne and Shirley on the case or that doofus who went to the wrong court house? Perhaps BV could suggest a good, reputable lawyer.
I bet Kate's main worry is that if Jon gets 50/50 custody, then she can't sign contracts for the kids. Whatever will she do without if she can't make the kids work and support her?
Then in the case of Jon and Robert, you manipulate the legal system to silence the truth, engage with BV that bought a blog site outed the posters in the most hateful manner, and Kate wants the public to believe Jon never wanted to see the kids and just waltzed in, please!
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That's what I was thinking. She actively and aggressively fought to ensure he doesn't see the kids and is not involved, both via parental alienation and the courts and by bleeding him dry financially. Then turns around and WHINES that Jon is not involved. Right, because **she** ensured that! She's absolutely pathological.
From Kate's Twitter...
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She went the route of accusing Jon of sexual abuse. The oldest ploy in the books and judges see through that in a hurry.
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Really? When did this happen? I remember her saying something about inappropriate behavior, which could be anything from doing drugs or drinking in front of the kids, but I don't recall her coming out and accusing him of sexual abuse. Did she?
I wonder if Collin was sent to live with that "friend" of hers in Colorado. I just don't see a behavioral facility holding him for this long. I'm sure the truth will come out one day.
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Was it Colorado or Montana?...
Anyway, who would take someone's son when he has a father?
I don't know how it could even be legal.
I wonder how Hannah and all the kids are doing.I hope kids at school were kind.I can imagine TFW punishing them all- she threatened the girls with a nap in the room project at age 11 or so- or worse. I bet Leah was told to get Hannah back on 'her'(TFW's) side. Poor Leah, torn between her sister and her mother whom she appears to love. Will the kids who see Jon be told they can't? Psychological punishment as well as physical. *shudder* Where are the twins in all this?
Layla said... 73
I bet Kate's main worry is that if Jon gets 50/50 custody, then she can't sign contracts for the kids. Whatever will she do without if she can't make the kids work and support her?
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I think this is the bottom line. Kate wants all the credit for raising her kids and that's her platform for selling her brand.
If the kids are not available to film, it's over.
Blowing In The Wind said... 75
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I think it was worded that she accused Jon of 'having an inappropriate relationship' with Hannah.
It's no like it was just last year that Jon was going through his Ed Hardy phase. It's been 6-7 years now.
Jon's been stable on every level and it's time to revisit custody.
My guess it that Kate thought she had everything locked down with custody and control over her children until they all reached 18.
It's all falling apart now.
Blowing In The Wind said... 75
From Kate's Twitter...
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She went the route of accusing Jon of sexual abuse. The oldest ploy in the books and judges see through that in a hurry.
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Really? When did this happen? I remember her saying something about inappropriate behavior, which could be anything from doing drugs or drinking in front of the kids, but I don't recall her coming out and accusing him of sexual abuse. Did she?
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No. It's just a very nebulous "Jon is a danger to Hannah or his behavior is inappropriate" accusation which leaves the public to fill in the blanks as they see fit. I still say get her a-- on the stand and make her explain what she meant by those statement(s). Once she can't/admits there is no proof or substance to these accusations, start suing her bony a-- every time she repeats them. Unlike Ms. Kreider, Jon still has a decent reputation to protect.
Blowing In The Wind said... 75
From Kate's Twitter...
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She went the route of accusing Jon of sexual abuse. The oldest ploy in the books and judges see through that in a hurry.
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Really? When did this happen? I remember her saying something about inappropriate behavior, which could be anything from doing drugs or drinking in front of the kids, but I don't recall her coming out and accusing him of sexual abuse. Did she?
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Reports said a while back that Kate told the police that she was worried about the relationship between Jon and Hannah being inappropriate. She didn't outright said abuse, she just heavily implied it (to avoid going to jail for slander I guess?)
Blowing In The Wind said... 75
Here's what it said in the police report. You're right, she did not use the words "sexual abuse."
"Kate summoned police again on April 27, 2015 because, she told an officer, she feared her gun-owning ex would engage her in “a hostile dispute.” She even added that she’d “detect[ed] suspicious behavior” between him and their child.
“Jon had no idea at the time that she accused him of having an inappropriate relationship with Hannah,” says the insider. “He was upset when he found out.”
This is the article from last fall that showed the actual police reports:
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-drug-dealer-116585
This set of allegations dates back to April 2015, when Hannah refused to return home and Kate was observed screaming from the curb. This is when she told police Jon had kidnapped Hannah from school.
So far Kate has accused Jon of dealing drugs. accused him of having an inappropriate relationship to Hannah, and told the police he was a danger to Hannah. She herself physically harmed H, and I recall from one of Admin's recaps that she dragged H out shopping/filming during one of H's stress headaches, dismissing it as a "Hannah thing". SHE is the one who is a danger to Hannah, not Jon.
“detect[ed] suspicious behavior” between him and their child.
“Jon had no idea at the time that she accused him of having an inappropriate relationship with Hannah,”
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I don't know how you interpret an inappropriate relationship between a father and 12 year old girl to be anything but an implication of sexual.
It's not that he was being "inappropriate" in general, which could mean anything, drugs, girlfriends, etc. but that the RELATIONSHIP itself was. I think it's really splitting hairs to suggest that doesn't mean sexual.
I think this is the bottom line. Kate wants all the credit for raising her kids and that's her platform for selling her brand.
If the kids are not available to film, it's over.
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Bingo. This is NOT really about the kids. She don't care where the kids lay their heads every night. This is about her panicking over the brand. She got one get out of jail free pass being one kid down, but being two kids down even she knows she can't fudge that one.
It's not that he was being "inappropriate" in general, which could mean anything, drugs, girlfriends, etc. but that the RELATIONSHIP itself was. I think it's really splitting hairs to suggest that doesn't mean sexual.
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Yes, in any normal situation, but with Kate's play on words, manipulation and speaking in codes, suspicious or inappropriate behavior could be anything from sleeping with girlfriends (bad influence) or doing drugs or getting drunk.
Layla @ 84 - I'd forgotten about Hannah's stress headaches and Admin's recap of her taking Hannah "shopping" while she was have one because it was film time. I suppose that was because, according to their TLC contract, all eight children had to be available for filming, stress headache or not. I wonder how frequently Hannah has these headaches. If I remember correctly there was another occasion when she had to skip some water activity (in Florida, I think) because she wasn't feeling well; but well enough the next day to participate.
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Here in PA, a law enforcement officer may phone an on-call judge in an emergency situation. I don't know exactly what qualifies as an emergency and if this indeed was so volatile that it was an emergency.
Formerly Duped 77 I hope from the 13th birthday episode that the kids have a great relationship with their friends,if they're true friends i don't think they would care about what their parents are doing and that they'll be there for their buddies.Especially the boys
Kate also wants to cross the finish line ALONE. She wants to lay claim to rescuing those kids after the divorce, giving them a lavish life, parenting them herself and getting them into college with no help from anyone.
The thought of Jon getting it all together to swoop in and co-raise, co-parent, co-home and co-everything, 50/50, drives her around the bend.
Like hell Jon will get any credit if she has anything to do with it!
It's not fair, in Kate's eyes. She'd rather shut Jon out and have those kids go without having a father, than share the credit.
I think Kate knows that if Jon gets custody of Hannah, or even 50/50 custody, it's going to be a domino effect. At least 3 more kids (Aaden, Joel, and Leah) will want to be with him more. Her brand will implode, her image will be destroyed, she won't be able to force them to work or even guarantee their presence to be filmed. She'll have to account for money taken out of their trust fund, she'll lose her ability to sign contracts for them to be filmed, interviewed, and photographed for money. Most importantly, she'll lose total control over them. This could get very interesting.
And as we've said many times, if TFW sincerely thought Jon had some sort of serious parenting issue of any kind, why would she EVER let ANY of
the kids stay with him? It's utter nonsense, and she's not even clever enough to think her lies through.
JM (#70), your nephew's parenting situation sounds amicable and healthy, with his sons' needs coming first. Good for all of them for making it work!
Here in PA, a law enforcement officer may phone an on-call judge in an emergency situation. I don't know exactly what qualifies as an emergency and if this indeed was so volatile that it was an emergency.
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I think most family law courts have emergency judges available, we do. Emergencies come up after hours and on weekends. But usually it involves signing off on things.
But, actually discussing the case with them is extremely unethical. It's a violation of every judicial canon out there. I guess if that's what they're doing theyre looking the other way on ethics. You can't just have a conversation with a cop about a case, not with no attorneys there. I'd be surprised any judge thinks that's ok.
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That was Alexis who was 'sick' in Florida but I wonder now if she was 'misbehaving.' Hannah has had headaches since she was a toddler which is why she was supposed to have her own bedroom. Alexis allegedly woke her up too early triggering headaches- with those long naps I doubt it. In one of her bestselling books, TFW said the cure to the headaches was to have H take Tylenol, vomit it back up, then sleep?? Great remedy, Nurse Kate.
On another shopping trip Joel felt ill including back and stomachaches. And of course Collin was feeling awful when they went furniture shopping with his major constipation issue. On with the show!
@Layla My hope is that if the domino effect does happen and the other 3 who do see Jon wants more time with him as well that it would encourage Alexis also to go spend more time with Jon as well.I don't know Alexis personally but i doubt very much she'd want to be in that house all alone with Kate,then again i remember Kate uploaded a video of Alexis playing with Nookie so i don't know what Alexis true stance is in regards to parents and whether she's like the twins or if she'd follow the others.
. Most importantly, she'll lose total control over them. This could get very interesting.
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Kate did VERY well for herself in the divorce. She was able to capitalize on the 'poor single mother of 8 with a douchebag ex' for quite awhile. Then, she rebranded the show and had several seasons.
Kate's been feeding from the trough for way, way longer than most in reality tv.
She's had a remarkable run.
It's too bad that in all these years, she couldn't manage to capitalize on her notoriety and have her own job in media.
Now, after the show has fizzled and is limping along, her brand is doing the same.
This is why people get out while they're still on top.
#Seinfled
This set of allegations dates back to April 2015, when Hannah refused to return home and Kate was observed screaming from the curb. This is when she told police Jon had kidnapped Hannah from school.
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Wow, I thought the above happened much more recently. This was over two years ago. This is just tragic. Nobody is going to come out a winner.
I checked Yahoo news this morning and there were over 525 comments. I read about the first hundred or so and 99% of the comments were blasting Kate. Many were commenting about her face and how much plastic surgery she has had. Some said both parents are losers. The very few that are attacking Jon has the facts about him all wrong.
TFW said the cure to the headaches was to have H take Tylenol, vomit it back up, then sleep?? Great remedy, Nurse Kate.
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Sounds like migraines. I had them years ago and vomiting "broke" the headache and finally produced relief, after which, I'd be wiped out completely.
Sounds like Kate found a way to get her to throw up.
I don't know how young you have to be to take migraine meds, but Tylenol wouldn't begin to touch a migraine.
Oh Nick. You are surely an asshat of huge proportions. (from the last IG photo)
memie2000 And along with incident at the dentist office did you know that kate grab Hannahs arm so hard that a ambulance had to be called and she was sent to the hospital???..kate got all pissy cause it was jons visitation and hannah wanted to be with her dad...what kind of mom does that to her child???...a selfish mom
nick_moy@memie2000 I am sure you have the police report as it should be available if any one wants to see it. Unless you can produce it your "story" should start with "Once upon a time" and is a bunch of horse crap.
nick_moy Some people think that GOOGLE is the bible of everything truthful.. It's just some JACKASS trying to get attention.. Even if the incident ever happened. Her ex is a manipulative conniving coward.. He should be a bigger man and step away.. It's not that he has the money to pay for the dentist.
Yes, Nick, the police reports are available and have been published. "Even if the incident ever happened"? Read 'em yourself. Oh, and before you confuse custody rights with payment for braces, why don't you check with Kate and find out who's really paying for it. My money's on Hannah herself.
I think this is the bottom line. Kate wants all the credit for raising her kids and that's her platform for selling her brand.
If the kids are not available to film, it's over.
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Great comment, Tucker's Mom, summing up Kate's point of view. I agree with Admin., Bingo!
Funny how no other outlet has picked up the "Kate's heart rocked" story. Sadly, there's no police report to back that one up.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the upcoming court date is September 11th--a date Khate once blew off as being about "bombs or whatever"? Bombs indeed.
With Kate as hostile as she is and so delusional, angry and just plain crazy, I really do worry about Jon's safety. I don't know why. I guess I just watch too many true-crime shows.
"Back in the day", Kate would have been sitting on The View today, with her "girls", getting all the pity and props she needs. Then she'd make the rounds to ET and maybe the Today show...
There would have been a media blitz of epic proportions, with Kate "setting the record straight".
People magazine would be another stop with a photo shoot and fresh interview with Kate Coyne. Kate would be on the next issue's cover.
Whooboy, she and Steve would have had at least a few days away from the compound, tucking into the Essex House by night, and chowing down at Fig & Olive by day.
And Nobu.
Don't forget Nobu.
In other "reality kids" news is the new TV series about some human remains being found in Aruba possibly being Natalie Holloway's. It has been ten years since her disappearance and this story always has some supposed new update. The disgusting thing is her father is the one in the series. I have not watched it but only a clip from it. Why does he have to collect another big fat paycheck earned on the death of his daughter? It is wrong. How dare he. Let the Aruba police test the remains and then when it is known then let the media release its findings in print. A TV series does NOT need to be made about this. Her father is just doing this TV reality show for fame and money. Her father already wrote a book about this.
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It would be nice of Alexis could spend more time with her dad. Maybe she just likes being away from the other tups for awhile. Hannah and Leah are besties, Aaden and Joel are pals (and apparently when asked about the girls said Hannah was "cool"). Mady says she hates all the tups "individually and as a group", which would include Alexis. So she may just like to opportunity to have some peace and quiet and not have to deal with it all.'
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If Jon gets 50/50 custody of all 6, I think it would be good for Alexis to have a relationship with him. He seems like a laid-back, fun parent. The kind a kid could have a real conversation with and not worry about him freaking out. Maybe that's why Hannah prefers to be with him. He probably accepts her for the person she is, spends quality time with her, and actually talks to her about things that are important to her. I have family in the area, and they know people who know him. They all say he's just that kind of guy.
I also hope that he gets equal say in what happens to Collin. He should know where his son is and what kind of treatment he is receiving. And he should be able to visit C. He'd be the one parent who cares enough to show up.
Sad but true said... 102
Funny how no other outlet has picked up the "Kate's heart rocked" story. Sadly, there's no police report to back that one up.
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If Kate's heart "rocked" then another ambulance should of been called to take her to the hospital ER for an EKG!
All This Is That said... 104
With Kate as hostile as she is and so delusional, angry and just plain crazy, I really do worry about Jon's safety. I don't know why. I guess I just watch too many true-crime shows.
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Yes! Kate has always reminded me of Betty Broderick in that Kate believes all of her behavior towards Jon and others who will not bend to her will is justified just as Betty Broderick did and still does to this day. In fact, I just picked up two interlibrary loan books on Betty Broderick today.
**Disclaimer--I am not saying that Kate would go as far as Betty Broderick did . . but I can see tragedy happening if Kate becomes irate enough to pursue Jon's vehicle with hers at some point.
Tucker's Mom said... 99
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Kate used to call them migraines but then changed to stress headaches. I don't think Tylenol would help either ( I have had them since childhood) Vomiting is part of migraines and yes, you do feel a bit better after that, but Kate seemed to think Tylenol would be absorbed that quickly before the immediate vomiting. I hope Hannah doesn't get too many- they can be bad and worsen as you get older.Stress headaches are different.The main symptom of a classic migraine is visual aura- neon zigzags or blind spot.
I noticed that Ellen Ross 'liked' Jon's FB post. One thing you can't deny, and that's Jon continues amicable relationships with many of his exes, even Hailey Glassman.
I also hope that he gets equal say in what happens to Collin. He should know where his son is and what kind of treatment he is receiving. And he should be able to visit C. He'd be the one parent who cares enough to show up.
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I just get a feeling that many issues are going to be revisited in the near future.
Custody, Collin and decision making all need to be re-evaluated.
I would hope that Jon gets an opportunity to parent Collin.
Yes! Kate has always reminded me of Betty Broderick in that Kate believes all of her behavior towards Jon and others who will not bend to her will is justified just as Betty Broderick did and still does to this day. In fact, I just picked up two interlibrary loan books on Betty Broderick today.
**Disclaimer--I am not saying that Kate would go as far as Betty Broderick did . . but I can see tragedy happening if Kate becomes irate enough to pursue Jon's vehicle with hers at some point.
August 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM
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I think that one of the things that made Betty snap is that her ex moved on.
How dare he!
I think Jon's flailing and floundering gave Kate a great sense of superiority and pleasure. Now that Jon has been settled, in a relationship and has a good career as a DJ/manager, AND Kate's tv career is in its twilight, Jon's trajectory is upward and he's got so much to look forward to as life is unfolding for him.
...plus, he's younger ;-)
All This Is That (104)
She is completely unbalanced, and there's no telling what could happen if she loses complete control over the kids. I could also see her locking herself and the kids up in that house and forcing a stand-off between herself and Jon when he comes to pick the kids up. She is used to calling the shots and using her money to bully others legally. If she loses full custody, she could become unglued. No never means no to her, even if that no comes from a judge.
Leslie (106): "In other "reality kids" news is the new TV series about some human remains being found in Aruba possibly being Natalie Holloway's."
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Leslie, they did a follow-up on this. They were not human remains.
I wonder if Kate really had her eyes opened when Jon called the cops. I would think that she always thought he was a wuss, but he surprised her and really caught her off-guard. That must have really set her off, and yes, I also worry about his safety. You just never know when someone is as unbalanced as she appears to be.
I could be wrong but I don't think kate lets her mind "go there" as far as losing some custody...that's not even a variable for her ...she's still on her high horse thinking that there's no way that's happening....you know what that's called...DENIAL!
Also, WTH with Kate having a lawyer on speed dial, who is willing to drop everything in the middle of the day to dash over to Reading Orthodontic and threaten Jon with legal action?
That's weird, isn't it?
Lynne In RI said... 115
Leslie (106): "In other "reality kids" news is the new TV series about some human remains being found in Aruba possibly being Natalie Holloway's."
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Leslie, they did a follow-up on this. They were not human remains.
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/24/human-remains-found-in-search-for-natalee-holloway-belong-to-female-eastern-european-descent-tests-show.amp.html
Tucker's Mom said... 113
I think that one of the things that made Betty snap is that her ex moved on.
How dare he!
I think Jon's flailing and floundering gave Kate a great sense of superiority and pleasure. Now that Jon has been settled, in a relationship and has a good career as a DJ/manager, AND Kate's tv career is in its twilight, Jon's trajectory is upward and he's got so much to look forward to as life is unfolding for him.
...plus, he's younger ;-)
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I agree with everything you said. But you know Khate "de-ages" . . and is the only person in the world to do so:)
"Kate is never going to be relegated to steerage again...as God is her witness!"
These Titantic jokes remind of me of the gif Admin posted of Kate and Steve on the ship as Jack and Rose.
It looks like Kate's lawyer friend is just another "friend" Kate uses assuming there's a lawyer this stupid. You know when Kate meets people, she finds out what they can do for her.
The "Outdaughtered" show has been featuring the mother's sisters and their husbands a lot. They help with the multiples and have their own children. One of the uncles is very funny. Grandparents are involved too. They seem like a big happy family, and I hope reality TV doesn't ruin it. Reminds me so much of Jodie, Kevin and their kids.
Susan 1956, I have the Bella Stumbo book titled "Until the Twelfth of Never" about Betty and Dan Broderick. Tucked between the pages are the few letters I received from Betty in response to my letters that were sent to her prison address. (A work related research situation. I think I mentioned those letters on this blog once before.)
It seems that she will always see herself as a victim. She is un-repentant and will express that what she did was self-defense for herself and her children.
Some of her sentences are written with such passion and/or anger that her pencil scratches through the paper. She also uses exclamation points with gusto!
I hope you enjoy your books.
While I'm waiting on dinner to cook, anyone want to play a game of 'I wonder'?
I wonder if . . .
TLC will pony up either the money or provide legal counsel for this trial. *No, they need to continue to distance themselves from Khate's circus & house of horrors.
Khate has realized how few REAL supportive friends who truly care about her as a person, not paid lawyers or twitter/IG fans, she has in her life. *No, as another poster said she's still riding a leaky raft down the river of Denial.
the paps will return to the area around the time of the trial, trying to get the money shot of Khate losing it on the courthouse steps or celebrating a 'victory'. I'm going to hope not since Hannah may have to come to court. I know there was media coverage of the divorce--I remember photos of Jon--but there is less interest in Jon & Kate overall Their attorneys can update the press as they've already been doing.
Skeevie will escort her to & from court. Yes.
Skeevie will stick around if she loses custody of any of the children/filming truly shuts down. I'm waffling, but I'm going to say no because the vibe he put off in May was so awful compared to his cheery, smiling on air interview/Q & A session in the final RV episode. He seems to be all business and while he may like a little something on the side, surely he's tired of her antics by now. If there's no trips, no big money coming in, what's the point of sticking around?
Add me the those who fear the revenge she may seek if she loses custody/control of any the children to Jon. We know how she can freak out over something minor. Who knows what she might do if she becomes even more unbalanced and lost what is so important to her, total control.
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Admin, do you still have the pictures of Hannah running to Jon as she got off the bus? I think they were from 2010 or 2011. He was crouching down, back to the camera, with his arms wide open, and she had such a look of pure joy and excitement on her face. There was another one taken at the same time, where he was holding her. I remember us discussing those pictures of Kate's golden child, so thrilled to see her daddy.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/24/human-remains-found-in-search-for-natalee-holloway-belong-to-female-eastern-european-descent-tests-show.amp.html
Late night news last night said they were not human remains. Sounds like someone doesn't know a human remain from an animal remain or isn't getting reliable info!
What was the name of the attorney who showed up at the wrong location for a hearing?
"If there's no trips, no big money coming in, what's the point of sticking around?"
Kate's winning personality? lol I saw Kate was briefly trending on Yahoo. Will Milo celebrate? :)
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REAL friends? Yes, I'm sure Uncle Ronnie, the NYC hairdresser, will be making lots of trips to Wernersville, PA to visit Kate and her kids. Without cameras, without a network to pony up some serious cash to make it worth his time...yeah, not gonna happen.
Lynne In RI said... 126
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/24/human-remains-found-in-search-for-natalee-holloway-belong-to-female-eastern-european-descent-tests-show.amp.html
Late night news last night said they were not human remains. Sounds like someone doesn't know a human remain from an animal remain or isn't getting reliable info!
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I think there may have been another time remains were found that weren't human. I was encouraged by this news report. I hope they finally found this poor girl.
Admin, do you still have the pictures of Hannah running to Jon as she got off the bus? I think they were from 2010 or 2011. He was crouching down, back to the camera, with his arms wide open, and she had such a look of pure joy and excitement on her face.
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It's here somewhere. If you good Jon Gosselin and Hannah, it's on the first page. Yes, she bolts to him. There are several other photos of the two of them that show their bond.
GOOGLE JOn Gosselin and Hannah
And Milo's finally popped in to express her support.
miloandjack2016 Aww...I heard #Max in the background barking. I guess its still a work in progress where all 3 furbabies can play together w/no jealousy issues? @kateplusmy8. #JustLikeRaisingYourKids 😋
miloandjack2016 Now that kids are back in school, you should set a morning routine for play and a nice stress reducing walk w/your pups! Since you have so much free time...LOL. 😋 @kateplusmy8
Yeah, that was weird in her video. She's out playing with #Nunu (Shoka's there but largely ignored), and you can hear the other pup locked up somewhere in the house barking away. Why have 3 dogs if they can't play together? How does this make sense to her? And she wasn't terribly successful at raising her kids without jealousy issues, come to that.
Gladys, if TFW cares for her dogs
"just like raising her kids," then one of them ought to be packing his bones and preparing to get tossed out on his tail any day now.
Oh, and I can think of 7 people at the G house in need of "stress reducing," and TFW isn't one of 'em.
Kate's winning personality? lol I saw Kate was briefly trending on Yahoo. Will Milo celebrate? :)
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Milo celebrates whenever birds suddenly appear.
I think there may have been another time remains were found that weren't human. I was encouraged by this news report. I hope they finally found this poor girl.
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August 24: "Aruban authorities told Inside Edition as far as they know, the bones aren't human — but if they are, they may have been smuggled off the island."
Somebody needs to get their act together!
I have to comment about Dave Holloway trying to get answers about his daughter, Natalie.
It is ok for him to do this to find Natalie and bring her home! Who cares if he gets paid for it? Only God knows how much Dave and Beth and many, many friends have spent on dogs, land and sea searches and PI's and expenses trying to find out what happened to her and bring her home.
It puts pressure on people who may know something to come forward. Sociopath Jordan van der Sloot raped and killed her. His father, a big attorney in Aruba helped him cover his backside and tried to blame a hotel security guard for it but was cleared.
The Aruban government is one of the most corrupted places on earth. The way the police and the locals treated the parents was awful.
This case is really close to me and I was and still am all in for getting the answers about what happened. Watching the local news everyday and seeing the kids from school and the community go to the big white sign and write condolences on it was heartbreaking.
Natalie disappeared May 30, 2005.
Stay safe everyone in Texas!
This is suppose to be the worst hurricane in that area since 1999! Life threatening floods.
God have mercy on the Gulf of Mexico states!
Flimsy Flamsy 134, Didn't that already happen? I mean, Jon rehomed the original two dogs but Kate brought back Shoka. Only Shoka. So yeah, Kate already ditched one dog. And one kid. So safe to assume that it's fair to say she treats the dogs like she treats the kids.
Leslie, they did a follow-up on this. They were not human remains. (You then linked an article). But the article said they were human remains. What am I missing?
My bet is she was taken out by boat into the Caribbean Sea. In fact some guy said so much. Yeah, I know, he probably has no credibility. But neither do any of the many others that have come forward. Whoever knows about what happened to her would be a huge fool for talking when the international spotlight has been on this case for a decade.
I am sure Dave has recouped any expenses he forked out with the movie rights and book he wrote. Shame on him. There is nothing worse than making blood money from his own flesh and blood. I hope he sees Natalie's face every time he spends the money gained from it.
I am wondering if there will be any money left for these kids to go to College. I may be mistaken, but I thought the court mandated 15% of the show's earnings be deposited in an account for the children. I also heard that Kate as primary custodian could withdraw from this account for their needs so in other words, these kids could be buying their own groceries and paying the mortgage which makes me wonder if there is anything left in the account. Is this possible or are there safeguards in place so the children will have money for college tuition?
Wow, Milo up with the dawn to post "Fearless Motivation" on K8's Twitter:
"When it gets hard
I will push harder
When it gets tough
I will get tougher."
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
Always! #SingleMoms will do what they have to do for the love of their children! @Kateplusmy8
Does she never consider the look of the thing? Whether it's pushing---or pulling---I don't think K8 needs to do it any harder. Geez, Milo, ERs cost money, you know.
Kate brought back Shoka. Only Shoka. So yeah, Kate already ditched one dog. And one kid. So safe to assume that it's fair to say she treats the dogs like she treats the kids.
IF that was the original Shoka. Something about that whole exchange in the bringing Shoka home episode always seemed off to me. I wouldn't put it past Kate and her cronies at TLC if they found an adult shep equivolant and passed him off as S.
Kate rid herself of her own parents, family members, friends, helpers in the community, Jon,and C. And whatever happened to so-called life long friendships she claimed she built when filming DWTS? She has no loyalty. She has no compassion. Everyone around her has always been a means to an end for her. If she feels alone then it is her own fault.
I know this is petty but I watched Kate's video that was referenced here. Anybody notice the three, yes three, new UGLY bright red throw rugs in the foyer and hall area? Kate simply has no taste in decorating at all. Talk about looking cluttered!
FYI Mark Gosselin has a heartfelt post about his nieces and nephews on his Facebook. Everyone should like and share.
Hoosier Girl
Here's a quote from Gwen Stefani in US magazine about her kids: "When you're a mom, they don't want to know anything about what you do. It's all about them, and that's their job." Compare that to Mommie Dearest TFW, who claims her kids are obsessed about her finding a new husband, and are always looking for ways to cheer her up.
"All about them." Imagine what the G kids' lives would be like if they had been parented that way. Sigh.
Holding a good thought for anyone who might be impacted by Hurricane Harvey.
Mark is outright accusing her of physical and emotional abuse. I've never seen his family speak out before. Things are reaching a tipping point.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 141
Mark is outright accusing her of physical and emotional abuse. I've never seen his family speak out before. Things are reaching a tipping point.
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Who? Wha?
What did I miss?
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I wonder if Mark Gosselin knows about this blog? He might feel supported by many of the comments here.
Sad but true (#142), yeah, we know TFW is familiar with pushing, pulling, clapping, slapping, pinching, grabbing, yanking, tossing...plenty of tools in her arsenal for manipulating her kids.
In all seriousness...does Gladys sincerely think TFW had no part in these incidents? That big bad bully Jon steamrolled over her, as she kept a stiff upper lip to maintain her dignity, and that now she needs advice about staying strong? What in the blue-dilly eff would lead anyone with even a cursory knowledge of these 2 people and their previous behavior to think that TFW was the victim in this?
Does anyone have a link to the Mark Gosselin comments?
Strong and supportive words from Mark Gosselin.
https://www.facebook.com/Mark06261980?fref=ts
I hope Radar picks up Mark's FB post and the hashtag. It's time.
Mark Gosselin's words ring true. Think about the confrontation where H ended up being taken to the hospital. The police SAW Kate hurt H, but removed Jon from H's treatment room because Kate said HE was a danger to H. They believed what she said, not what they saw with their own eyes.
Flimsey, I for one want to thank you for your thoughts about Harvey. We live about 20 miles inland from Galveston and it looks to be horrific as far as flooding goes. We have lived in the area for over 40 years and this one is predicted to be the worst as far as flooding goes. It is very frightening.
Thanks, Jane (153), I'm not on FB so I can't see it.
If nothing comes out of this terrible situation and this never before seen movement (first time the press is on Jon's side it seems). Not that the press has any say in what happens in court of course but it's good that more people are seeing things for what they really are. I'm going to lose faith that anything can save those kids.
As for Shoka, yes, I too have wondered if it's the same dog or a new one and I wouldn't put it past TLC or Kate to pull such a stunt.
Wow, just wow.
Mark Gosselin: Mj Hafer the judicial system will not allow them, even though they ALL have said they want to live with their dad. This is the HUGE problem with THE STSTEM.
Kylie (#156), it sounds terrifying. Please keep us posted if you can.
We started the week marveling at the planet during the eclipse, and now are witnessing nature's power in such a frightening way.
http://www.divorcenet.com/resources/a-childs-preference-pennsylvania-custody-proceedings.html
According to this, I'd say Jon is the better parent, on paper.
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Though I don't have access to his post, I think it is very significant that we're finally hearing from extended family members. Watch for a counter-story from K8 regarding some skeleton in Mark's closet, just as she did when her older sister (who'd never been publicly heard from before) spoke out a couple of years ago about how K8 sees no one in her family. The backlash there was swift and brutal, the story about the sister's husband.
Wow, just wow.
Mark Gosselin: Mj Hafer the judicial system will not allow them, even though they ALL have said they want to live with their dad. This is the HUGE problem with THE STSTEM.
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Wow is right.
All of them.
Would NEVER have guessed by the narrative Kate and TLC have controlled.
Tucker's Mom said... 163
Wow, just wow.
Mark Gosselin: Mj Hafer the judicial system will not allow them, even though they ALL have said they want to live with their dad. This is the HUGE problem with THE STSTEM.
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Wow is right.
All of them.
Would NEVER have guessed by the narrative Kate and TLC have controlled.
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I wonder if he meant all of the Tups or all 8.
I just went to Mark's Facebook and it seems even he is getting sick and tired of all this.Here's another post by him for those who don't have facebook.
"I'm so confused on child abuse laws. I have watched my brother fight since day one for the safety of all eight of his children. I can't stand to watch police, judge, attorneys, CYS, continue to let the physical and mental abuse go on right in front of their eyes. I ask all my friends to like and share my post. I love my nieces and nephews and will continue to fight, support, and pray for their safety! Please share the movement of #savethegosselinkids as much as possible".
This post by Mark really made it sink in just how much LOVE Kate has barred from the children's lives, and how God awful selfish Kate is.
GollyGee said... 137
I have to comment about Dave Holloway trying to get answers about his daughter, Natalie.
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I agree with you. Private investigations are very expensive and the show has helped pay the expenses. Also, it has enabled them to uncover new information. The Aruba police have dropped the ball on this case and I applaud her father for his relentless quest to find out what happened to her.
Prayers for all the Texans in the path of the storm. Stay safe!
does Gladys sincerely think TFW had no part in these incidents? That big bad bully Jon steamrolled over her, as she kept a stiff upper lip to maintain her dignity, and that now she needs advice about staying strong? What in the blue-dilly eff would lead anyone with even a cursory knowledge of these 2 people and their previous behavior to think that TFW was the victim in this?
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I think that when you are blinded by love, and Kate really is her one true love, that you'll believe anything. Celebrity worship is a powerful thing, and when it becomes cult-like in scope, you're in complete denial that the object of your affection can do anything wrong. Kate walks on water, and therefore she's up on a pedestal. Gladys worships her.
I wonder in a case like that, what happens to the fan if and when they are forced to come to the realization that the person to whom they are devoted is not what she/he seems to be. Does that ever happen?
I'm so happy to see the support from Jon's brother on fb!Thanks printing the link to it. I agree it most certainly is time for all this abuse to stop. How she has been allowed to get away with I will never know. I hope as many people as possible show support for Jon and the Gosselin children.
Mark Gosselin's words ring true. Think about the confrontation where H ended up being taken to the hospital. The police SAW Kate hurt H, but removed Jon from H's treatment room because Kate said HE was a danger to H. They believed what she said, not what they saw with their own eyes.
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Maybe it was the hospital personnel that removed him from the room. Just a thought. I'd hate to think it was the police after witnessing TFW in action.
When he said "all" I took it to mean 'at some point in time' they've all said that, not that they all do now. But that was just my interpretation.
I should have put some thought into it before I posted I guess. I hope his Facebook doesn't turn into a crapfest between Kate fans and the haters. I'm sure both factions read here.
I just thought here, where people actually act like grown ups and moderate their behavior, it might be nice to show him some support.
#SaveTheGosselinKids
Hoosier Girl
Admin, would it be all right if Mark's post is copied over here? (I don't do FB.) According to jamesvader (165 above), he's asking people to share the #savethegosselinkids hashtag.
Could this be true?
http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/206751/jill_duggar_derick_dillard_fired?utm_content=duggars_fanpage&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=sm
Could TLC actually 'fire' or at least limit the truth-spwewing missionary Derrick Dillard? Maybe Kate is also truly fired.
I really worry about Hannah's well-being right now. There have been at least 3 incidents in the last month where she refuses to go home with Kate. One that resulted in the shared custody order (Aug 11), then the incidents on the 15th and 22nd. The first incident we heard about was 2 years ago, so this girl has been fighting to escape her circumstances for a long time, and apparently has never let up. She's so young, and teens are so emotional. If the legal system fails her yet again, and she's faced with the reality that she can never escape her circumstances, what might she do? Waiting until she's 18 is an option, of course, but to a 13-year-old, waiting for almost 5 years is like a life sentence.
I wish someone would set up an account to help Jon with his legal fees. There are people who are willing and able to help. As for Kate, I'm sure her uber-wealthy fan nick_moy is covering all her expenses. After all, if he/she can afford a $5M house, then a few paltry thousand dollars to cover Kate's legal expenses is just a drop in the bucket. C'mon, "nick_moy", let's see what you're really made of.
I just don't understand the legal system if Jon has been fighting since day ! ( and I believe this) how he has ended up with so little custody and no visits with some of the kids, and no say in Collin's fate. I hope Hannah fares better, followed by her siblings.I think these kids really need to spill the beans to someone who will listen and can actually help.As someone suggested, a guardian ad litem or someone in the CPS/legal system.
Kylie, prayers sent for you and any poster who may be impacted by the hurricane.
Anyone interested in the new Oxygen series The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway can see the first episode is up for free on Oxygens web page.Episode 2 will be shown tomorrow night.
I find it ironic that Kate always paints a pretty picture like she never forced the kids to do or not do anything when it comes to Jon and never encouraged them not to visit implying it was all up to them and she's all innocent in this. But damn when the shoe is on the other foot and a kid "decides" they don't want to go with her, she's yanking their arm. She doesn't see it.
There is one and only one situation where I would go on TV and that is to spread awareness of my missing daughter and raise money to locate her so I and everyone else who loved her could finally have a little closure. God willing I will never be in such a horrific situation.
Nick enjoys wallowing in his ignorance. What a dolt.
nick_moy@jeska5589 just another one looking for attention... I have been having fun with another, pulling her along a leash like a little puppy.. showing how you can fool a fool.. just by omitting some things their little minds see things where there is nothing to see... we are all rolling around the floor laughing... They think they are so smart...
Admin, I so agree with your comment about Natalee Holloway. Those parents have been through hell looking for their daughter. I have prayed that these remains that have been found are hers, so they can finally end the agony of where she is, or what happened.
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I find it ironic that Kate always paints a pretty picture like she never forced the kids to do or not do anything when it comes to Jon and never encouraged them not to visit implying it was all up to them and she's all innocent in this. But damn when the shoe is on the other foot and a kid "decides" they don't want to go with her, she's yanking their arm. She doesn't see it.
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In a recent episode, Kate was driving the BBB and merrily asked "Who's going to visit Dad? The usual 4!".
See how smoothly everything goes? See how Kate lets THEM decide?
Nothing to see here...
In a recent episode, Kate was driving the BBB and merrily asked "Who's going to visit Dad? The usual 4!".
See how smoothly everything goes? See how Kate lets THEM decide?
Nothing to see here...
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She is the Queen of Gaslighting and the
Duchess of Deflection!!!
Wouldn't it be wonderful if Mark Gosselin would go on the TODAY show, the View, the Talk all in one day and tell the world that this hell the kids are living in has got to stop!
He would be extremely credible like Kevin and Jodi were.
#SaveTheGosselinKids
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LOL, too little, too late, K8! Does anyone recall if he's EVER been mentioned in an episode since she came back in 2014? So transparently a set-up, all the more so since this was filmed after the 2015 incident with Hannah. Shame on you, TLC producers, for thinking anyone would fall for that nonsense.
Thanks for all the good wishes and thoughts for the hurricane. I live very close to Houston. At least I have a second floor but fear for my car. I hope I don't have to live for days without air conditioning with this heat and humidity.
I am inland between Austin and San Antonio. We are expecting high winds and heavy rain. San Antonio is evacuating certain areas that flood.
Prayers for all those in the direct path of Harvey.
Leslie said... 184
Hope all will be well for you, and for Kylie (above), too. This one looks like it could be as bad as Katrina was for NOLA. Keep us posted, if you are able.
So pandapanda tried to copy the link to Mark Gosselin's FB post to K8's last IG photo. Here's Milo!
miloandjack2016@pandapanda You need to remove this. Totally insensitive for a father & his relatives to start and promote a hashtag campaign on social media to threaten a mother and her children in regard to what should have been a private custody issue. You don't take a family problem and go on social media and try to recruit the public to take your side in the matter all the while trying to villianize the mother who has provided the love, structure and all necessities of life for her kids pretty much on her own the last 8yrs or more! These sort of hashtag campaigns create further divide, unfounded rumors and are of NO benefit to the kids at all! I honestly am amazed how @kateplusmy8 holds her tongue and composure w/such ridiculous hurtful tabloid style media attacks set up against her!
You are an ASSHOLE, Milo. K8's had it ALL her way for far too long. The children need to be heard. So take your comment and shove it.
What NERVE Milo has. Kate REMOVED their son from the home without telling the father! In WHAT universe is that okay? Not that any more proof was needed, but this one has "100% verified" that you are an idiot.
I honestly am amazed how @kateplusmy8 holds her tongue....
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TFW has done anything but hold her tongue. How about all of those "set the record straight" appearances. How about her always squawking on how she does everything alone. How about all the one sided People articles that she's blessed off on. I could go on and on. And Milo...how about the smear campaigns that you and other sheeple have been a part of.
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You don't take a family problem and go on social media and try to recruit the public to take your side in the matter all the while trying to villianize the mother who has provided the love, structure and all necessities of life for her kids pretty much on her own the last 8yrs or more!
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But isn't this what TFW has done over, and over and over again? Her purse full of bills comes to mind and we've seen the "love and structure" that she provides - making sick kids film, showing the worst sides of the kids while filming, sending one kid away. Get off your high horse Milo there are witnesses and police reports this time and her house of cards may be crumbling. Jon's brother Mark can post what he wants because I believe we still have freedom of speech in this country.
Wow...this milo has proven she's a total nut case...where does she get off interfering in this mans family...how dare she ...she defending someone she knows nothing about...she's really crossed the line this time
Jon's brother Mark can post what he wants because I believe we still have freedom of speech in this country.
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The fact that Kate's family and ex acquaintances have given so few statements and interviews since the marriage ended is a testament both to their respect, maturity and restraint and to the vast power of Kate, Steve and TLC who immediately begin an offensive attack to punish, if not bring down, anyone who dare go up against them.
It's been David vs. Goliath this whole time.
Dare we hope the tide is turning?
You are an ASSHOLE, Milo. K8's had it ALL her way for far too long. The children need to be heard. So take your comment and shove it.
August 25, 2017 at 2:33 PM
Sad but true said... 188
What NERVE Milo has. Kate REMOVED their son from the home without telling the father! In WHAT universe is that okay? Not that any more proof was needed, but this one has "100% verified" that you are an idiot.
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I second these 2 posts.
Milo is obviously getting nervous...
If something big is going to happen and thats why Jon's brother is speaking out,now is the time for all those other family members and friends to speak out as well and ally with jon
“Jon feels so guilty right now, like he’s failing his daughter,” a friend of Jon’s told HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY. “She’s been begging to live with him for more than two years and he’s promised her that he’ll make it happen. But Kate shuts him down at every turn and she’s got all the money in the world to keep fighting.” Speaking of fighting, the exes have gotten into two blowout fights this month over Hannah, one reportedly ending with the teen taking a trip to the hospital over an injured arm. Both confrontations allegedly occurred when Hannah refused to leave her dad’s car and go home with her mother.
“Jon is ashamed that he can’t even afford to stand up to [Kate],” our insider added. “He feels like he’s letting Hannah down and there’s nothing he can do about it. He’s beating himself up big time over this.” However, Jon’s attorney, Kristen Doleva-Lecher, has assured the public that Jon is going to fight Kate with everything he’s got in an effort to see his children more often. “It should be known Jon has been aggressively and relentlessly fighting for his kids,” Kristen told E! News earlier this week. “Jon is frustrated by recent events but will not be derailed in his efforts to do what is right.”
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/25/jon-gosselin-feels-guilty-custody-war-fight-kate-daughter-hannah/
How does Milo dare to imply that we should NOT believe the words of police officers who were on the scene? Hannah CHOSE to go with her FATHER, in BOTH police reports. End of story. Milo is hopelessly devoted to her Katie Irene and will not be moved by the truth.
Prayers and best wishes for all those about to be affected by hurricane Harvey.
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I wonder which others of the G kids want to live with Jon? I think Mady and Cara would stay with Kate but what about the rest of the tups?
You know, Collin used to defend Mommy all the time, was her 'helper' and got her that sweet gift. Ironically he might have been the one to stay with her had circumstances all been different.
How does Milo dare to imply that we should NOT believe the words of police officers who were on the scene? Hannah CHOSE to go with her FATHER, in BOTH police reports. End of story. Milo is hopelessly devoted to her Katie Irene and will not be moved by the truth.
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It just makes her look like a complete idiot. She needs to shut the heck up and stay out of it! To question the credibility of tabloids is one thing, but to call police reports as untruths is just plain insane.
Hmm, pandapanda only provided a link to Mark's FB account. You can't see his post unless you're on FB. Does this mean Milo has a FB account?
How else would she know what Mark posted? Unless, of course, she read about it over here.
And I agree--Just who does she think she is to tell someone to remove a post? If Kate wants it removed, Kate will remove it.
And, BTW Milo, who was it that was egging Deanna on to spill dirt on Jon a couple of years ago?
Admin, would it be all right if Mark's post is copied over here? (I don't do FB.) According to jamesvader (165 above), he's asking people to share the #savethegosselinkids hashtag.
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I second that. I don't have FB or any social media access, and I would like to read his comments.
Those in Texas, please stay safe and check in here when this is over. Three feet of rain. How is that possible?
"Aside from the winds of 130 mph (201 kph) and storm surges up to 12 feet (4 meters), Harvey was expected to drop prodigious amounts of rain — up to 3 feet. The resulting flooding, one expert said, could be "the depths of which we've never seen."
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