but he seems resigned to her behaviour, yet determined to continue protecting them.
And that's what I find odd. Jon appears to be a loving father in all ways but one. Why can't he see that these reality tv show appearances and silly gossip talk shows is only making people talk about him, Kate AND HIS KIDS? Is it his ego? I don't get it.
more of a quiet acceptance that TFW will never move off her position of controlling their divorce the way she did their marriage
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I did feel that as well. When he said he's not afraid of Kate anymore, it really reminded me of things I have heard other parental alienation victims say once they've stopped being so strung out over what is happening and just accepted it. I didn't take that to mean he thought Kate could physically hurt him. I took it to mean that he has accepted she is an obsessed parental alienator and that only he can control how he responds to that. Hence, he is not "afraid" anymore. There is really no good way to deal with parents like her but in terms of being able to not drive yourself nuts, being in that mindset of "they can't hurt me" is a wonderful outlook and will only benefit your kids and help you just go on with life.
Is it 2009 again? Geesh, both of these 'parents' need to grow up and move on. Jon didn't want his divorce to play out on reruns? Then STOP going on interview shows.
Kate's a lost cause but Jon should know better. He's been through this already. Does he really want the publicity and hype to start up again? 'Cause that's putting his kids out there in the spotlight.
No, he hasn't allowed them to do a People mag interview but it's certainly not helping the situation by continuing with these dumb shows.
I read there are 3 kinds of parental alienators and the obsessed ones are the worst. No court of law will ever get thru to the alienator that what they are doing is wrong. Sadly, the outcome for the kids is not all that positive. There is no therapy known to work. So sad. Likely is Jons best response to just accept, not be scared, and keep to remembering that " he and his kids know the truth".
As far as the discussion about whether Jon said 8% or 80% of the profits went to a trust funds for the kids (I am sure I hear an a-e end sound vs a hard t sound) he qualifies it by saying the kids are fine.
So Jon does not sound too worried about their futures. Thank goodness they did that in the beginning before greed and warped perceptions began to creep in.
TFW will likely stay silent on twitter for a few days and then resurface farting rainbows about how perfect her world is and how happy happy happy they are!!
Looks good, sounds good, and quite honestly, only throws his wretched ex under the bus when he is asked a direct question. Considering that she and TLC muzzled him for 2 1/2 years, I think he has earned the right to say a few things now. Considering that the biotch, who should be making a real effort to co-parent and refuses, keeps him off 'her' property and makes him drop the children on the road, and only communicates via texts, would say worse if given any chance at all. And yes, it was good that Liz was not there, he was quite convincing by himself.
Ego, or maybe just a quick paycheck so that he could afford a place four miles from his children. Maybe he crunched the numbers and saw he would have to work 3 years before he'd be able to afford to move to Kate's neighborhood. With CT, he could do it in two weeks. I'm sure it's heavy on his mind that childhood doesn't wait and there are only a few years left here for Kate to brainwash them. He's got to stay in the game and be a constant in their lives or they could turn against him for good. As they get older, going all the way out there will be less appealing. If he's just around the corner, it becomes less of an issue to go run over there to hang out at dad's. It's one of the best decisions he's made that we've seen.
I agree that Jon has realized that TFW will never ever ever change. When they were married, he was stoic and bit his lip and went about the business of being a daddy. When he couldn't take it any more he left...not just TFW, but walked away from the show, because it was the right thing to do to for his children.
Jon has moved on with his life. I really liked that when WW kept pressuring him to say he thought that TFW was having an affair w/Steve, he calmly said that he thought them traveling together was inappropriate, but he doesn't really think about that any more. He has moved on.
His getting a house close to TFW and Liz's ex is a good thing, and if it took him going on Couples Therapy to get the money to do it, so be it. He (and Liz) get along with her ex, and if TFW chooses to not get along, then he will deal with that, because he has moved on.
I read there are 3 kinds of parental alienators and the obsessed ones are the worst. No court of law will ever get thru to the alienator that what they are doing is wrong.
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Yes. I agree with this. The court of law does not get through. I have only seen about 3 people who I would call true obsessed alienators. Every single one was a female. And the ONLY way to get them to stop was to give full custody to the other parent and basically cut them off with either no visitation or monitored visits with a therapist. Even then they will still continue the behavior, still say inappropriate things, still try to defy court orders (for instance if the scheduled phone call is for 6 o'clock they might consistently call either too early or too late, even past the child's bedtime, and demand the child be made available immediately)
What's the point of living closer to his kids if he's alienating them by giving stupid interviews? You just know Kate is spinning this in their little heads. Does not make sense.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 7 ''......With CT, he could do it in two weeks. I'm sure it's heavy on his mind that childhood doesn't wait and there are only a few years left here for Kate to brainwash them. He's got to stay in the game and be a constant in their lives or they could turn against him for good. As they get older, going all the way out there will be less appealing. If he's just around the corner, it becomes less of an issue to go run over there to hang out at dad's. It's one of the best decisions he's made that we've seen. ~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree that moving very close to his children was a good decision. Jon has always been a daddy first, and that will be a lot easier w/him being so close to them.
it becomes less of an issue to go run over there to hang out at dad's. It's one of the best decisions he's made that we've seen.
If this is a good decision, I'd hate to see a bad one. He said he didn't need the money, so.....
Besides, directly contradicting his 13 yr. old daughters isn't going to endear them to going over to visit.
Ok, say he DID do CT for the money (which he just said he didn't need). Why the newspaper interview, the Oprah interview, this interview? At some point, someone needs to say enough. The kids suffer each and every time EITHER parent goes to the media.
Jon appears sensible in this interview and that confuses me even more.
As to why Jon might be doing interviews like this one on Wendy Williams - I wonder if that's part of the contract with this reality show. Perhaps contestants have to agree to do interviews for publicity.
I don't know (or care) if Jon's ego is responsible for his recent flurry of interviews/appearances, but I say he's earned it after the lengthy TLC sequester.
Just like the show was a way of preserving memories, so does Jon doing interviews preserve evidence that he fought for his kids and what he thought was right. He's been muzzled for 2 1/2 years. Did the kids ever wonder why he never said or did anything? One of the things that is going to be very important for those kids in the future is validation. I've been waiting for years for him to speak. He shows he's rational, articulate and "ordinary". He's authentic. He doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is. He stated facts. He put it out there for people to make their own judgement. He owns it. He's got a lot of catching up to do if we're counting tit for tats.
I know how Kate slipped it by. Kedra came there. Crew and all. The children were blindsided. ...... **************** I think you called it. There was something off about the kids then that I couldn't put my finger on, but I think this was it. They were given little/no notice that it was going to happen.
Watching it again, I have to say that Jon seems like a great dad. If I'm judging him solely on this interview, his politeness and general demeanor is a stark contrast to his wife's.
I just wish they'd both stop talking about each other in media. Give the kids a break.
I support Jon, though. Who wouldn't when compared to Kate?
How much do you think VH1 paid for Couples Therapy? Enough that Jon could move closer to TFW, also conveniently closer to Liz's ex? If so, then perhaps this was a good decision for him. You're right, Admin, the years are flying be, he deals with a narcissist parental alienator, so if crunching the numbers gets him closer and more effective in their lives, and keeps THEM off tv, then good job.
Millicent said... 13 ''As to why Jon might be doing interviews like this one on Wendy Williams - I wonder if that's part of the contract with this reality show. Perhaps contestants have to agree to do interviews for publicity.'' ~~~~~~~~~~ I believe you are right. WW did mention CT more than once. Even Liz was supposed to be with him. I think that interviews are expected as a way to call attention to Couples Therapy.
capecodmama said... 198 Jon said he and TFW put "8% of the gross of the income of the show for three years into trusts for them." He didn't say 80%. Because I DVR'd the show, I listened to that statement a couple of times to make sure I got it right. I'm sorry but that's not a lot of money considering if it wasn't for those kids there would be no show. ******************************** I listened more than once and very clearly heard 80%. People need to listen and judge for themselves.
So wait, Jon "alienates" with this interview but the twins didn't alienate him in theirs? How can they be upset with him whatsoever when they just trashed him to millions in People? In any case he said nothing alienating. What he did say are things that were straight facts that the kids already know. That's not what alienation is. Alienation is not a recitation of the sad facts when asked about the situation just because those facts happen to involve the other parent being a complete psycho. Alienation involves painting a twisted and distorted and constantly negative picture of the other parent in an attempt to slowly and methodically turn the children against that parent. I've never seen such twisted behavior from Jon and would not in any way shape or form classify him as a parental alienator. He is an alienatee, the victim of an alienator, who at times gets frustrated and fed up with his ex and her alienation, but does not engage in the same. For ages he talked about what a GOOD mom Kate was and I've never seen a shred of evidence he tries to turn the kids against Kate. And given that this show airs at 11 oclock and we know the kids went to school today per Kate, how would anyone even see it or know about it? Even the stuff about Tony which he didn't participate in, why shouldn't the kids be aware that Tony is upset with her? They need to understand that when you treat someone like crap, eventually they don't like you anymore. That's not alienation, that's life. Time to stop coddling them, they are not the babies who used to be on the show we saw.
Yeah, I'm not buying "Jon The Good Dad" bit. Maybe he is a good parent but so are most of the rest of us and we don't go on talk shows to discuss the past. Moving on? Or cashing in on 'the past'?
Let's not let our own disgust of Kate override our feelings of hoping the kids turn out ok. There's nothing good coming out of this tit for tat crap they're both participating in.
Here's what alienation is: Your father dated many women five years ago because he doesn't love you and was more concerned about reclaiming his youth than spending time with you, and you feel very bad about that don't you?
Here's what alienation isn't: Five years ago, my ex dated several women and it was hard on me and I still haven't gotten over it.
One is a fact, the other is an attempt to influence the children against them. It's not the same thing.
So wait, Jon "alienates" with this interview but the twins didn't alienate him in theirs? How can they be upset with him whatsoever when they just trashed him to millions in People?
You're talking about 13 year old girls. Jon is an adult. As parents, we're supposed to be the better person. That means, when your kids upset you, even in public, you talk to them about it PRIVATELY.
You're not really saying Jon should 'one up' his young daughters because they talked badly about him first?? What the heck?
OF course you don't coddle adolescents. But you don't call them out in the media either.
Ok, alienate was the wrong word. How about estranging himself or contradicting their interview? He directly contradicted them about them wanting to film. He shouldn't do that in PUBLIC on a trashy talk show. He's their father for goodness sake. They just publicly stated they want to film again. For him to contradict them ON TV is wrong. I'm sorry but it is.
Clearly these twins need someone to sit them down and discuss, IN PRIVATE, that their behaviour is unacceptable.
I give Wendy Williams credit. She probably got an earful from Tony about what an absolute bitch Kate was. He spent day in and day out w/ her for weeks so he really gotto know the true Kate. Then when Wendy saw the People Interview and how Kate paraded out Jon's daughters to publicly their dad, she wanted to give Jon a fair shot to have his say. She put forth almost all the questions we would have liked to have seen answered. It was heart wrenching to hear that he was sued for not wanting the divorce to be filmed. TLC and KAte looked like the assholes that they are w/ that one statement, and that swayed the unknowing public's views. Oh, and Kate better watch out. Jon is now 4 miles away which is easy 'hop on my bike and run away to dad's distance."
Wendy sure gets to the point doesn't she? Looks like she asked questions that were tweeted or emailed to the show.
His remark about him not being afraid anymore is what said it all for me. This is what a narcissist/alienator (and not just parental, she alienates them from family, friends, people who work for her...remember the friend who called for mady? the nannies?) So yes, she needs to be called out and put in her place. Only way to SHUT HER UP. Only way with these people. People are upset that he just doesn't stay quiet? I honestly want to know if you've ever had the experience or pleasure of living with/been raised by a narcissist? A narcissist who had a literal team of enablers with deep pockets?
No mention that it was her "journal" that he supposedly hacked into. I'm sure there's some legal reason for not using the word "journal"
url/URL said... 10 What's the point of living closer to his kids if he's alienating them by giving stupid interviews? You just know Kate is spinning this in their little heads. Does not make sense. 88888888 Just how did he alienate any of the kids with this interview?
Greedy Gosselins said: Besides, directly contradicting his 13 yr. old daughters isn't going to endear them to going over to visit.
By "directly contradicting" them do you mean when he said he only brought 2 women around? I think it was more of setting the record straight since the twins (in their interview) made it sound like he had a different girlfriend every week. Also, I believed him when he said that they say one thing to TFW and another to him. What kid doesn't p,ay that game? I think the kids know by now that they'd better tow the company line around TFW because in that house if momma ain't happy ain't nobody happy.
Katykat said... 29 I give Wendy Williams credit. She probably got an earful from Tony about what an absolute bitch Kate was. He spent day in and day out w/ her for weeks so he really gotto know the true Kate. Then when Wendy saw the People Interview and how Kate paraded out Jon's daughters to publicly their dad, she wanted to give Jon a fair shot to have his say. She put forth almost all the questions we would have liked to have seen answered. It was heart wrenching to hear that he was sued for not wanting the divorce to be filmed. TLC and KAte looked like the assholes that they are w/ that one statement, and that swayed the unknowing public's views. Oh, and Kate better watch out. Jon is now 4 miles away which is easy 'hop on my bike and run away to dad's distance."
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I agree. I think she and Tony became friends and she doesn't appreciate the way TFW treated him.
It as made perfectly clear also what tfw meant when she said "Jon and I have different goals" Made it sound that he wanted to just party, chase women etc. When what it really was that he wanted to STOP the divorce from being filmed.
I watched the WW show last night online. There was nothing remotely wrong with Jon's interview with WW. He was polite, well spoken, and endearing. He said nothing inappropriate and did not throw TFW under the bus even though he a few openings where he could. He did not exploit the children. If anyone saw anything wrong or inappropriate in this interview, then you wanted to see something wrong and inappropriate - something that just wasn't there.
OT....too much about me and very little about Kate.
Thank you ladies for being an island of diversion and consistency.
I have been here every day reading. I just didn't have words to share.
Long story told condensed....the last few months have been difficult.
I kept vigil with my sister as her husband died of cancer. He was diagnosed and died twelve weeks later on Thanksgiving day.
Two weeks ago one of our beloved pets died.
In the background of some tragic events, we sold our long time home and had a huge moving sale. We were living out of U Haul boxes when we found out the closing was canceled. Our retirement/downsize house is behind in construction. Two houses and no home.
We will be relocating over a thousand miles from our Illinois life style.
I made the drive here without hubby and arrived around midnight last night. I will create a "camp" home in a tiny apartment while making final finish decisions for the new house. I will miss hubby holding down the fort with two dogs back in the Midwest.
I had a very cozy night sleeping on the floor. This morning will unpack the coffee maker!
First I want to say that I've always liked Jon. Hell, he could be an ax murderer and I'd like him better than Kate.
But I do not understand this understanding, forgiveness crapola because Jon comes out from under his rock once the TLC muzzle is off. He said it on WW that he does not like working in a cubicle (like many if us have to) so now he is out there using his contacts and name recognition to make some quick money. Different from Kate? Not by much. He may not be making his kids appear on shows or have them photographed, but maybe it's because he simply is not allowed to do so by Kate. The fact that the minute he can hit the talk and reality shows, he does and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Part of me gets it: he needs the money. But hey, he blew millions unlike Kate. So in that sense she is sharper than him. Anyway, I just wanted to jump in here because I needed to comment on the Jon lovefest. He is a nice normal guy that was lied to and abused by TFW, but that does not excuse his attempts to remain relevant publicly in the entertainment world. I wish he had just remained silent and worked his connections it make a living without prostituting himself and his girlfriend. That article interview he did was rock bottom, IMO.
Out part 2: You funny and smart ladies kept me company through some dark and confusing days. Thank you.
So much has been out of control and I am a personality that isn't comfortable without a sense of order. I think the marathon drive gave me a sense of direction. (OK...ha.). I woke up refreshed and ready to go forward.
I don't consider Wendy Williams a "journalist". She didn't allow Jon to expand on his answers or ask probing follow up questions. She is a talk show host. I realize time is limited on such a TV format, but if Jon feels compelled to get his side out there or to let people know he is not the womanizer slime bag Kate and her minions would have many married women believe, then he either needs to write a book (with an excellent ghost writer and publisher) or give an indepth interview about reality TV effects with a reputable magazine. He will not be invited to any investigative TV shows because of conflict of interest, but he can certainly be a spokesperson against using kids in reality TV like Paul Peterson. Personally I don't understand how he could go before a family court judge and declare he does not want his kids on TV but it's ok for him. He needs to be able to present a factual argument that reality TV is harmful to his kids' development.
If this is a good decision, I'd hate to see a bad one. He said he didn't need the money, so..... &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I think one needs to look at the context of Jon's statements. Wendy was asking him if he would consent to the kids' filming if TFW would give him a cut of the money earned. He said he didn't need the money, he would just go to work.
I think he was saying he didn't need the money in the way that TFW does (I don't know that she's hurting so much right now) as being on tevee is her preferred job, way to keep herself relevant, by using the kids, etc. I truly believe he will not budge from that position..
I'm firmly team Jon. I know he has and will continue to make mistakes, but he seems to be able to learn from his mistakes if the WW interview is any indication. If he wants to film a few reality shows without the kids in order to level the playing field with TFW, then he should go for it. By leveling the playing field I mean being able to get a house 4 miles away from her and maybe taking the kids' on a real vacation this summer. Normalizing their lives.
Something I want to give WW kudos for is that the pictures shown in the background were older, nothing current. The one of TFW with the twins was at least several years old and I had trouble recognizing C.
Millicent said... 13 As to why Jon might be doing interviews like this one on Wendy Williams - I wonder if that's part of the contract with this reality show. Perhaps contestants have to agree to do interviews for publicity.
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Exactly my thoughts as well. This interview was promotion for CT. And perhaps what he discussed with Wendy will come out on CT eventually. Wendy seemed to think highly of Jon. We'll see what happens.
I did love the fact that Wendy was so vocal about Tony and Kate LOL. So, as usual, most of what we heard or read about Kate and DWTS was true, she was a complete #$ch.
I go back and forth about Jon. He's an adult, he can do what he wants. Sure his actions are immature at times, but his doing a reality show is fine wtih me. He can make his own choices. I respect him for not wanting his kids on tv at this point.
I also respect the fact that he now lives near the kids. It will be good for them to be "in the woods" away from their mother, their McMansion and anymore media that their mother will expect them to participate in (like her twitpics or magazine interviews).
Dmasy, so sorry to hear about your awful past few months. I don't know why it happens, but so often in life the saying "when it rains it pours" applies. The nice thing is that when life is down, it always gets back up. Good luck to you.
By "directly contradicting" them do you mean when he said he only brought 2 women around?
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Exactly what some of us were wondering. Exactly how many did he even bring AROUND the kids? According to him, not many. He has every right to defend himself and his explanation implies even more that Kate put the idea in their head. No wonder they thought nothing of it as they didn't even see most of the lifestyle Kate objected to in the first place.
I'm starting to wonder where the notion came from that we must just shut up and let a narcissist and parental alienator do their damage. Just be a good little soldier and do it behind closed doors. When did it become bad to go public with your story? If it's under the guise of protecting the kids from a public spectacle, is that value more impotent than letting the person driving the train get away with it? Divorce Corp addresses this very issue. People have been punished for making blogs or posting to FB about injustices in their case. People have exposed corruption or the other parent getting away with atrocities. Various First Amendment groups have stood up for these people saying wait a minute, why can't they speak their peace especially about a system that is rewarding liars and abusers? Jon really is similarly situated, the government has given custody to a very ill woman and he can't be with his children every day. Why can't he speak up?
This is OT, but I just wanted to tell everyone about a wonderful man that we lost on Christmas Day. His name was Bill Knight and he was from Bangor, ME.
Some of you may have seen the film "The Way We Get By" about the Bangor Airport Troop Greeters. These folks greet inbound and outbound flights to Afghanistan and Iraq and have done so since 2003.
Bill was one of the founders of this movement. He was a dedicated and devoted to greeting flights now matter what time of day or night or what the weather conditions were, he was there. He was the first in line to shake their hand and his catch phrase when the troops got off the plane was "Welcome home, Heroes!"
Bill's was 91 when he passed on Christmas day. His funeral was this past Sunday. He was a great man, but he was so humble that he never viewed his greeting as greatness, he viewed it as simply as being a good American.
I just wanted to share this with all of the readers because Bill should be known about and never forgotten. He was and inspiration to many. Anyone willing to offer a prayer for Bill, it would be a lovely gesture.
I'm sure that when Bill reached the Gates of Heaven, God, and all the troops who didn't make it home, greeted him with a loud, resounding "Welcome home, Hero!"
I am sorry to hear of your recent difficulties plus a big move on top of that. That's lot of stress. I admire your attitude and wish you the very best for health and happiness in your new home. Hopefully there will be new things for you to enjoy and less upkeep to tie you down. I have always enjoyed your posts and glad you are still active on this board. I agree this group is a cohesive helpful one!
Oh Kate has to have blown millions too, come on. How could she have not with that lifestyle? That upper upper middle class borderline wealthy lifestyle does not come free. And Jon explained that he blew his millions mostly on lawyers fighting TLC and Kate for a noble cause, to stop his children from being on T.V. once and for all. So I don't really think it's fair to imply he was being reckless. What was he supposed to do when he was being sued like that? He had to fight it.
OF course you don't coddle adolescents. But you don't call them out in the media either.
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How did he call them out? I thought he didn't even mention his kids by name in the interview.
He was asked how many women the kids even saw and he answered. Simply stating the facts is not "calling people out." He has every right to state the facts.
Besides, the kids know how many women they saw. How can they be offended by him merely reiterating what they actually saw? As has been said so many times, they lived it.
Enough is enough with these girls. If they lied about their dad's "string of women" (even if it was because Kate manipulated them to do so) and their dad wants to tell the truth, they need to hear that. And they should feel bad. They are not babies. The sooner they know that this behavior is unacceptable and hurtful to people they love, the better.
I think both Jon and Kate alike blew millions on attorneys. Probably Kate more so than Jon with all of the legal problems she has been involved in; i.e. Bullyville, Robert's book
I'm of the opinion that there are three sides to every story. In this case, Kate's side, Jon's side and the truth. Kate and Jon can both go on talk shows and state their opinion. We don't really know what the truth is. At times Jon has stated that Kate has plenty of money and then he also said she is broke. So there you have it. Who to believe and does it really matter? The supposed goal of this website was to voice the opinion that they are both using their children for money and how the children shouldn't be exploited.
As far as Mady and Cara are concerned, maybe in their eyes it was a "string of girls" that their dad brought around. Maybe that's the way they remember it. You certainly can't call them out for expressing their feelings. They were going through a very hard time.
Yes I'm sure she did Marie. Yet, she didn't have to!
Almost all of Jon's money blown in lawsuits has been on defense work. Actually, all of it was. He has never sued anyone that I'm aware of. How can anyone fault someone for spending money DEFENDING themselves?
With the exception of Sylvia LaFair, all of Kate's attorneys fees blown have been to PROSECUTE. Big difference. There are a dozen and a half other ways to deal with problems in your life instead of blowing your children's money on suing other people. Some of them would be conjoint therapy and a parent conflict class. Someone defending themselves against the legal system gets my understanding far more than someone going around initiating vicious and usually bogus lawsuits.
I thought he said she had plenty of money, but that it was running out of her buckets of money or she herself was very fearful of running out and that's why she is acting so desperate lately. I mean, it does have to run out sometime. That's how I always saw it actually, so I don't see that as inconsistent. You can have millions but be in danger of being broke in six months if you're blowing through it all that quickly.
As far as Mady and Cara are concerned, maybe in their eyes it was a "string of girls" that their dad brought around.
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Well, at first they said they thought nothing of it in their eyes. Their feelings are their feelings, but Jon has every right to say, just putting it out there it was two women, not a string.
Two women could have upset them and that's fine. Yet that's not what they said. Usually a child's first gut reaction is the honest one. When prompted further, they remembered the party line of Kate and spouted some nonsense about a string of women that now in context makes no sense, since they never saw any such string. They were only nine years old, too. This is parental alienation at its finest, they were clearly brainwashed to "remember" something they did not. I'm GLAD he set the record straight on that. It makes Kate look bad, not the girls. It's not their fault she tried to reprogram their memories, although they do need to learn sooner rather than later letting Kate reprogram their memories can be hurtful to others even at the same time if it is cruel of Kate to do to them. They have every right to start learning it's okay to say NO MOM that is not how I remember it and YOU cannot tell me how I remember something. They need to understand this is OKAY.
And didn't the kids already know some of these girlfriends, in particular one was a nanny and one was the daughter of close friends? I wonder if the two he brought around were two they already knew anyway and they just saw them as old friends coming around. Why on earth would that be upsetting? The fact is, it wasn't. I believe their first answer to Kate Coyne, they thought nothing of it.
This sounds like a classic case of taking one interview and breaking it up into two weeks of issues to stretch it out.
And have to ask to open the fridge, get a snack, use the bathroom, in their OWN HOME? This reminds me of Martha Stewart's daughter. Nine and thirteen year olds are clinging to Jon in public because they never get out much--not normal.
I'm glad they interviewed a local who confirmed it's true, they never see Kate out with the kids anymore. And we've seen dozens of instagram and twitter photos of Jon with the kids. Why are their hardly ANY of KATE with the kids? The last one I remember was Kate in Wegmans but NO KIDS.
I think he's trying to reach out to her in the only way she understands--the media. This is an intervention in the only form she understands. A shake her and wake her up in the only form she understands. Whether this is wise, who knows. And I doubt Kate will listen.
Cue Kate's pity party on twitter and probably a blog post in response.
I think he's tired of listening to her BS tweets about how happy her kids are with her. Just like I am. It makes me nutty. The twins certainly didn't come across as she portrays them on Twitter. They fight, they sass, they act like divas. Which is typical of teenage girls but don't act like it's always sunshine and lollipops.
At the time of the divorce, they *both* blew through money like it was water.
He got a new car. She got 3 expensive used cars. He got an apartment in NYC for a year or so. She got the McMansion. He flew back and forth for custody for the first year, more or less. She flew back and forth for DWTS. He, uh, ..... did whatever. She (and the bodyguard, and a limo driver) drive to NYC just for a haircut.
His lifestyle the past 3-4 years seems to have been pretty frugal. Hers....NYC haircuts, bodyguard just to go to Target, Kentucky Derby, another car, more plastic surgery, botox, mani/pedis, personal trainers, a parrot, and on and on.
Jon said on WW he spent $500k fighting TLC. He said he was a millionaire by season four, not tens of millions but the way he stated it looked like more than just "a" million. He rented that expensive apt. in NYC, flew out west where I believe he was renting or bought a condo, drove a BMW, etc., so yes he spent plenty of his money on attorneys but he still was unable to put aside for his future. True, Kate is using the trust funds to pay for school etc and so she is depleting that, but Jon would not be in the financial situation he us in today had he not spent like there was no tomorrow after he moved out. I think he did, though, because, like Kate, he envisioned a lucrative deal with Ed Hardy or maybe another TV gig. Kate was lucky because TLC paid her divorce attorney fees and she landed another show with probably a high salary. She will be in Jon's shoes for certain in a few years but as a control freak and schemer, she has outlasted him in lifestyle. What goes around, comes around. Isn't it ironic that Kate is blowing through the money now hiring attorneys to fight Jon and Robert? In the end, everybody will be poorer. Poetic justice for the Gosselins.
Mel, she's able to use the trust fund money supposedly only for the kids but I bet there is some fancy accounting going on. She also has money planted in some investments. She had money than Jon after the divorce since she did not have to hire attorneys and got her Kate Plus8 gig. But it's been years and I agree she keeps up a toney lifestyle. Probably on the kids' dime.
but Jon would not be in the financial situation he us in today had he not spent like there was no tomorrow after he moved out.
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I'm not sure about that, if he didn't spend the money, the attorneys were going to take it. The court can even put a lien on your property and cars to pay attorneys. I can't even count the number of people I know who were genuinely made broke by a divorce or other lawsuit. It happens all the time even to wealthy people. He also had that 22,000 child support payment for a very long time. I kind of wonder if part of his behavior was just sort of a screw it, it's all going to the attorneys or child support anyway so might as well spend it now. And if I recall her returned that car within months and was out of those apartments within months.
If 80% of it was saved for the kids and couldn't be touched, he could be assured his kids were well cared for, that there would be no accounting for the 22k (i.e. Kate could just spend it on herself) I can see him thinking well attorneys and Kate are not going to get my share if I spend it. Rational, maybe not. Understandable, yes.
Since when is a father, correcting his 13 year-olds, throwing them under the bus? Isn't that the job of a father? To correct immature, untrue beliefs? He has to nip this nonsense in the bud or things will be way worse down the line.
As Vanessa said, unless you've been raised with a narcissist, you have absolutely no idea. Staying silent is enabling them. The only way to stop them is to stop taking it and speak out. The biggest relief for me was having people tell me that the narcissist fooled no one. You must seek validation to preserve your own sanity.
localyocul said... 57 I think he's tired of listening to her BS tweets about how happy her kids are with her. Just like I am. It makes me nutty. The twins certainly didn't come across as she portrays them on Twitter. They fight, they sass, they act like divas. Which is typical of teenage girls but don't act like it's always sunshine and lollipops. ****************************************************************************** Ditto. I think someone upthread make the comment that expressing his concerns in the media is pretty much the only way he has of addressing these issues with her. Can you imagine trying to text all of this to her?
Plus he's only focusing on the kids in the here and now. No rehashing the past, etc. Must frustrate the TFW to no end that Jon contains to stand up for the kids.
He is a nice normal guy that was lied to and abused by TFW, but that does not excuse his attempts to remain relevant publicly in the entertainment world.
What's wrong with Jon or Kate or anyone for that matter, exploring job opportunities in the entertainment industry as long as they don't exploit their kids? I don't think either one has any talent and I think that any success either of them might have would be based a train wreck / curiosity factor, but if they want to expose themselves to that kind of scrutiny and criticism, then I say more power to them - just leave the kids out of it. Let's face it, the entertainment industry can be a very lucrative 'job' and if they can make a living doing it while protecting their family and putting up with all of the negatives, then so be it.
For years everyone here has been saying that Kate needs to be exposed for the monster she is for the sake of the kids health and well-being. Well, she's being exposed now and people are upset about it because of the kids?? You can't have it both ways. WTH?
yes he spent plenty of his money on attorneys but he still was unable to put aside for his future.
I don't believe we know whether Jon or Kate put any money aside for their future, I'm thinking retirement, Roth accounts, etc. Jon might not have trust accounts paying for his children's living expenses right now like Kate's doing with their education and who knows what else (I personally believe the kids' house is being financed with a trust account), but he might have something set up for his retirement.
WW may not be a "journalist" per se but she does have a B.A. in Communications. She hosted her own radio show for 20 years before her gig on television. Katie Couric, Baba Walters, Meredith Viera etc. are all journalists and they did crap interviews with TFW. Only softball questions were lobbed at her. At least WW asked pertinent questions and Jon pretty much confirmed everything we've been saying here.
Is anyone else watching The View? It just had a pop up saying Kate and the kids will be on Monday's show. I hope to god she's not dragging those girls out there to bash their father.
Since when is a father, correcting his 13 year-olds, throwing them under the bus? Isn't that the job of a father? To correct immature, untrue beliefs? He has to nip this nonsense in the bud or things will be way worse down the line. @@@@@@@
I don't know if it is necessarily throwing them under the bus to do that but doing it in a public forum is in bad form. How embarrassing for everyone. Just because their parents exploited them on television doesn't mean that it is okay to berate or call them out in public. It's not fair to them. They didn't ask to be raised in this circus.
Jon did not say he bought another house, just that he just moved. I'm thinking he is renting both with the lease no eared yet on the first one.
ITA, divorce attorney fees will eat you up plus he had to fight Kate's lawsuit (I think her plan is to bankrupt him by harassing him with suits; same with Robert). Funny how Jon is making money now by assaulting Kate in the tabloids? Maybe this what she deserves. Not good for the kids with this tit for tat, but it is what is.
It seem s as though Jon and Kate are playing a game of back and forth one-upmanship. TV appearances, cover stories, articles etc. While Jon shows himself to be an ok person in most, the one article (the urinating one, sorry to bring it up again !) was not helpful to his reputation IMO. On WW he was fine. CT not a great idea. Kate is using her girls as another pawn if she can't garner public favor.I don't think CWS or KC did her any good,or her Twitter contest etc.
I think they should both live quiet private lives.Sensationalism is creeping back in, such as the permission to use the bathroom which I don't believe- they used to go on their own- remember Kate yelling "who pooped" in such a refined way in the all-mine episode,or when the kids clogged the toilet in the old house on their way out. The yelling at the twins for entering the kitchen before 6:03 AM was a little weird though.
I'm starting to wonder where the notion came from that we must just shut up and let a narcissist and parental alienator do their damage. ***************************************************************** Amen to that and the whole paragraph. The guy's been chewed, screwed and tattooed, and he STILL has to shut up? NO, he has every right to defend himself. He's been slandered, he's been lied about, he's had his parental rights sabotaged, he's been BULLIED. But oh no, don't wake the beast, right? My God, keep the peace, keep the peace...bull$#%t! The way to stop a bully is to fight back, period. Call the narcissist on her bs, make sure she knows she cannot control you any longer. What example is he setting for his BOYS if he keeps letting this woman walk all over him? Just take it because it "might" make her even angrier? I'd love someone to tell a young woman who's being treated the same way to just stay quiet. He wanted it out there for the world to know, I will NOT let my "underage" children be filmed for reality tv. Enough with the kumbaya. Some people are just as bad as tfw farting her rainbows and trying to portray to the public that "it's all good, step away from the curtain". And privacy, shmivacy. She's baiting him in PRINT she's putting HER words into her daughter's mouths, and they need to learn that they are not immune to consequences.
The biggest relief for me was having people tell me that the narcissist fooled no one. You must seek validation to preserve your own sanity. ******************************************************************* So true PJ, so true. I can only imagine his mental state, the majority of the "world" believed her "version" of things. To finally, FINALLY be taken seriously by people? The relief, the awakening he's probably feeling? It will give him more fuel to do what is right by those kids.
Kate is using her girls as another pawn if she can't garner public favor ***********************************************************************8 Yup, since day one those kids have and always be "used" by her. That is the only purpose children, friends, husbands, siblings etc serve a Narc, what can you do for MEEEEEEE!!!!
Perfect, the kids can spend Martin Luther King Day not with friends, sports, sledding, movies, out to eat, but rather fighting Kate's battles for her. Just when you think this can't get any worse.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 11m @Kateplusmy8 So I guess according to #InTouch article via ur EX...if you live in the country & have a gate & fence...ur in a compound! LOL
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m @duffy1958 @Kateplusmy8 I guess I'm like Kate..I let my kids out of our compound this morning. Hope they do come back! LOL
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 9m @Kateplusmy8 Sad & disappointed 2see that the man who said he wanted privacy & would not give any more interviews is selling U out again! :(
Good lord, Milo. Kate, through the girls, went to People magazine and sold HIM out. That's fine, though. It should be all one-sided, shouldn't it? Keep on enablin' her, Milo...that's what you're paid to do. I think that beneath that good old southern, kind, nice-to-everyone, g-dropping hick there exists a real snot.
I thought she doesn't pay any attention to Jon's interviews, any negative stories, or what the "haters" have to say. How does she always seem to know so much? Oh, that's right. Kate tells her. They communicate in so many ways.
The upside to these interviews and tabloid stories is that we are hearing from Jon as a concerned parent, not someone using the media to get something else. Although he admits he would go back on television he doesn't seem to manipulate the media when saying so. It also gives any future talk-show hosts an opportunity to quote Jon when interviewing Kate. His push-back (at least on the television interviews) seems to support him wanting to normalize his children's lives to counter TFW's goal of keeping them sequestered until can find the next way to market them. He sounds like a parent, not a marketer.
Wendy Williams coup yesterday was outing Kate's behaviour on DWTS, thus lifting at least one of the curtains to finally expose TFW publicly, must say, that was a refreshing....and unexpected!
I have asked this question before, again once more upthread, and I never get a response. No disrespect at all, but to those who believe that Jon should just stay quiet, have you been raised, been married or lived with a FULL blown abusing narcissist? I'm serious,please, someone answer.
Although he admits he would go back on television he doesn't seem to manipulate the media when saying so. ************************************************************
Good point. No begging, no feel sorry for me, no missing this or that, the crew, the trips yada yada yada
Just speaking the "ordinary" truth. LOVE it! Trumps her "mediocre" by a longshot!
Is anyone else watching The View? It just had a pop up saying Kate and the kids will be on Monday's show. I hope to god she's not dragging those girls out there to bash their father. ***************************************************************************** I'm wondering if there is some negotiating going on for a new show??? I hope to hell he's put a huge wrench in that plan
More details on the In Touch article including allegations of screaming at the staff (staff? Thought she did it all?) and..,.HITTING the kids
They seem to be bringing things reported 4+ years ago into the article for more drama. The mixing of past and present comments and reports is confusing to me, and I've followed this mess for years. I can't imagine how mixed up those who don't know the history must be.
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More details on the In Touch article including allegations of screaming at the staff (staff? Thought she did it all?) and..,.HITTING the kids
They seem to be bringing things reported 4+ years ago into the article for more drama. The mixing of past and present comments and reports is confusing to me, and I've followed this mess for years. I can't imagine how mixed up those who don't know the history must be.
********************************************************* No kidding-the ones writing the articles are probably the most confused. As far as the hitting, although it was reported years ago, from MY experience, I don't think it's stopped. Maybe maybe the twins, but for damn sure the tups are getting whacked for some crime committed. Don't forget globegate. Just look at what she allowed herself to admit to doing?
She's baiting him in PRINT she's putting HER words into her daughter's mouths, and they need to learn that they are not immune to consequences.
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Yep. She wanted to go there and she brought the twins with her. I don't think she expected Jon to show up there too. And if he doesn't say something now where is it going to end? They'll start thinking they can do as mommy does and get away with it.
Kate has pretty much exhausted the sympathy card. People are finally starting to understand what a sham she is. They're ready to hear the other side of the story. WW's audience response to Jon was a good indication of that.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 11m @Kateplusmy8 So I guess according to #InTouch article via ur EX...if you live in the country & have a gate & fence...ur in a compound! LOL
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m @duffy1958 @Kateplusmy8 I guess I'm like Kate..I let my kids out of our compound this morning. Hope they do come back! LOL
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 9m @Kateplusmy8 Sad & disappointed 2see that the man who said he wanted privacy & would not give any more interviews is selling U out again! :(
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Yes, Milo. Whatever you say Milo. yada yada yada Milo. Jon is bad and Kate is good. We got it. Thank you. Buh bye now.
And so it begins...Kate starts parading the kids on tv talk shows. Are you freaking kidding me??
She has finally come to the realization she has no talent with which to get another show for herself, so pimp out the kids some more! Take them along on the Pity Me Rebuttal Tour!
I wonder if she'll make an ass out of herself again and/or if the kids will act up.
Mel: Kate does that. On the RV show, Kate did not tell the kids where they were going, I think she even stated, she does not tell them where or what is going on. Some sort of a-hole surprise, funny how un-surprised those kids were. Remona: several other couple from that show have showed up on a few talk shows/morning shows already. I guess I was right Kate is/was up to something, and that she is going to use the twins now to further her plans, her new direction! Shame on the View! I wonder if Jon will fight this?
She's on the view Monday?? This is really getting ridiculous...Enough already with these two idiots. Can't they keep their lives private? I'm just plain sick of both of them. Why is she dragging those poor kids on? Is there anyone who has the BALLS to step in and stop this madness. STOP GIVING THESE TWO AIR TIME!! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO. Anybody listening?? "Props" are an understatement...
And so it begins...Kate starts parading the kids on tv talk shows. Are you freaking kidding me??
She has finally come to the realization she has no talent with which to get another show for herself, so pimp out the kids some more! Take them along on the Pity Me Rebuttal Tour!
I wonder if she'll make an ass out of herself again and/or if the kids will act up.
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This is getting to be insane. How much longer is the media going to give her the forum for this tit for tat campaign? You know darn well all of this is an FU to Jon #dontsayididn'twarn you. The lawsuit was dismissed and she's using every avenue she can think of to get even with him. This is not going to end well, if it even ends at all.
It's high time he gets himself into family court. The kids are being used as pawns in this "I'm going to get you" campaign. I know nothing about what it takes to get a psyc evaluation done on someone, but clearly, intervention is needed before she cracks and goes off the deep end. Enough is enough.
Is anyone else watching The View? It just had a pop up saying Kate and the kids will be on Monday's show.
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The View ladies aren't terribly fond of her so she's bringing in the kids to shield her from the grilling she'd otherwise get from them. What else is new?
I hope that the View hosts will not be asking Kate or the children questions about their dad. That would be awful. Kids this age can be prompted to say some things that they later will regret. If this is done, the hosts should be taken to ask for it and I would hope the audience would react in such a way as to voice their disapproval.
Yes, Milo. Whatever you say Milo. yada yada yada Milo. Jon is bad and Kate is good. We got it. Thank you. Buh bye now.
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There are a few things I'd like to say to Milo, and yada yada yada and shutupshutupshut up are very tame in comparison to what I would spew forth! I can't read Kate's TL right now. Maybe Milo blew it up with her lustings and rantings!
I think I'm more interested in what that dingbat Sherri Shepherd will have to say. We can all recite, in unison, what'll come out of tfw mouth, I want to hear what that idiot will add.
I have said that Jon will be in Family court a lot in the future. So it begins. Kates new direction. I can just see kate with the lawyer & Judge, it's only an interview. Yeah, an interview on TV. Family stuff, that should remain PRIVATE! I don't believe a word those girls say. They have been brainwashed by Kate. The article said, the twins said that they don't remember or they were ok with what their dad was doing, in 2009 (since they were just 9) Kate admitted that she talks to the girls about how wrong their dad is, his dating etc. To me , that says a lot, like brainwashing the kids against their dad. The People article scream Kate talk.
OH God..now she'll have the kids begging for another show and talking about missing the crew...How many years has this been going on now?? She will not face reality, will she? I didn't know begging was a career. Now she got the whole family doing it. They should call themselves "The Grifters"...
What's the View's producer's name again? the one who had the hots for tfw? I stopped watching a while ago. Maybe she enticed him with promises of spankings if he'd get her on the show ;-0)
I know nothing about what it takes to get a psyc evaluation done on someone, but clearly, intervention is needed before she cracks and goes off the deep end.
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Yes, the #don'tsayIdidntwarnyou hashtag seems even more foreboding now than before. Almost Betty Broderick-ish.
January 15, 2014 at 10:22 AM PatK said... 98 And so it begins...Kate starts parading the kids on tv talk shows. Are you freaking kidding me??
She has finally come to the realization she has no talent with which to get another show for herself, so pimp out the kids some more! Take them along on the Pity Me Rebuttal Tour!
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Yep just like when the cruise was failing she tried to use the twins as lure
Vanessa said... 86 I have asked this question before, again once more upthread, and I never get a response. No disrespect at all, but to those who believe that Jon should just stay quiet, have you been raised, been married or lived with a FULL blown abusing narcissist? I'm serious,please, someone answer.
****************** My mother-in-law is the narcissist in my life, and she has damaged every person who has ever come close to her. Everyone either hates her or coddles her, trying to ward off one of her meltdowns. She can't stand it if she's not the center of attention. She will go to any lengths to make sire that everyone is paying attention to her, including having a tantrum at my nephew's second birthday party, She was agitated, which is to be expected because she wasn't the one getting attention. Then she started screaming at me, "Don't talk to me! Don't even try talking to me!" Then she grabbed my FIL and stormed out, leaving everyone in shock. Later, when my SIL (the little guy's mother) called her to ask WTH was going on, she admitted that I hadn't said or done anything. Her excuse for ruining her grandson's birthday party? She was tired. The entire family coddles her and makes excuses for her behavior, which of course makes her think it's okay for her to act that way. I don't agree. I avoid her at all costs. But I have a good understanding , after 26 years, of how a narcissist operates. It's frightening. They will keep pushing, bullying, throwing fits, and then wonder why people walk away. They have no shame, they have no empathy, and the ends justify the means. And nothing ever ends until they claim a victory.
Yes, the #don'tsayIdidntwarnyou hashtag seems even more foreboding now than before. Almost Betty Broderick-ish.
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Oh, gosh, Auntie. I was just thinking about that. The movie was on television a few days ago and I caught snippets of it. Kate is exactly like that...so much so that it's scary. Someone needs to step in now, but who? I just have a very bad feeling about all of this, and her enablers, the crazy sheeple, just keep egging her on.
I think I'm more interested in what that dingbat Sherri Shepherd will have to say. We can all recite, in unison, what'll come out of tfw mouth, I want to hear what that idiot will add.
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Maybe she'll make another offer to blow up Jon's car, and this time Kate will take her up on it.
"You know what? To Kate - I'm going to tell her when she gets here. If you've got timber wood, I've got matches because I will burn up the house and tear up a car for you, Kate. You don't have to say you did it. I'll leave my name - Sherri. I'll blow up Jon Gosselin's car."
Kate will HAVE to inform the kids that they are going to be on The View, because she'll need to drill it into them as to what they will and will not be allowed to say or how to act. Those poor kids. "Now, remember kids, you miss the film crew and the traveling! Oh, and I'm the best mommy ever!"
Who wants to take bets they're all matchy-matchy? lol
She's on the view Monday?? This is really getting ridiculous...Enough already with these two idiots. Can't they keep their lives private? I'm just plain sick of both of them. Why is she dragging those poor kids on? Is there anyone who has the BALLS to step in and stop this madness. STOP GIVING THESE TWO AIR TIME!! ******* I wouldn't equate the two as equal regarding their being on tv/giving interviews. Jon is currently on a reality TV show, Couples Therapy. I believe part of being on that show is to do interviews and help promote the show to bring up viewership numbers.
Kate was on Celebrity Wife Swap a long time ago. She has already done her "media tour" for the cookbook. So she's got nothing to promote and certainly no contractural obligations to fulfill. She is doing what she has always done, pimp out her kids in order to be on tv.
While I understand your feeling sick of both of them, I don't think it's fair to lump them into the same pot as if they are equally bad or equally using their kids for fame.
url/URL said... 10 What's the point of living closer to his kids if he's alienating them by giving stupid interviews? url?URL said... 28 Ok, alienate was the wrong word. How about estranging himself or contradicting their interview? He directly contradicted them about them wanting to film. He shouldn't do that in PUBLIC on a trashy talk show. He's their father for goodness sake. They just publicly stated they want to film again. For him to contradict them ON TV is wrong. I'm sorry but it is. __________
Seems to me like you're describing Kate as well don't you think?
I mean how many countless times has Kate said what the kids wanted-(filming & TV shows they want her to have a show) How many times has she trashed Jon and her own family members?
Dmasy, just keep plugging along. You'll get through it. Be well!
I've been in those shoes. We sold a house and couldn't close on the new one for two weeks. I had two kids in diapers and one in Kindergarten at the time. We lived in a hotel. Entertaining youngsters in one room is no picnic. We knew every inch of the local mall. I was climbing the walls of that hotel room, but at least we had beds. Half of our belongings were in storage, the other half on the moving trucks.
Looking back, I don't know how we made it through those two weeks, but we did. You will, too! I hope you're someplace warm!
Jon doesn't have internet or cable tv, so I sure as heck hope someone he knows is aware of the kids' upcoming View appearance and lets him know. I'd love for him to be able to get it stopped.
And it looks like Stevie will be earning another paycheck out of the kids' money. So sad.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m @duffy1958 @Kateplusmy8 I guess I'm like Kate..I let my kids out of our compound this morning. Hope they do come back! LOL ***** Milo identifies so much with TFW, that it's beyond creepy. Just the other day, she tweets referring to herself as "extended family" (! WTH?), and now mocks Jon by saying her home is as much a "compound" as TFW's home.
On The Big Bang Theory, it's funny when Amy Farrah-Fowler gushes over her "bestie," Penny. In real life, it's real creepy.
"He is a nice normal guy that was lied to and abused by TFW, but that does not excuse his attempts to remain relevant publicly in the entertainment world."
What's wrong with Jon or Kate or anyone for that matter, exploring job opportunities in the entertainment industry as long as they don't exploit their kids ************************** Agree Carole. In previous blog posts, I have said that if Kate were to do any type of show without the kids, I would be fine with that. I'd probably even watch, just to count down for her first melt down. Sadly, no one wants Kate on her own, so I can't have that guilty pleasure. She pretty much blew her one good chance at developing a tv career of her own by being such a pill on DWTS.
Jon is doing CT with his girlfriend. The children are not filmed, and if he does discuss them, I bet it's in terms of how having children from a prior relationship can affect any new relationships. That's something many, many couples do deal with, so any helpful advice the therapist can offer on successfully integrating kids and a new relationship would be useful.
If Jon could earn a nice paycheck from CT (anyone have any guesses what a participant in this show might be paid?), it actually makes good fiscal sense for him to do so. After all, he does have 8 kids to support!
Holy Moly! It's an all out war now. The View on their schedule just says Kate but I would not be surprised she drags the twins along. For the love of God, will those crackling women ask any probing questions? Is this another coming out ploy to hawk the twins?
Holy Moly! It's an all out war now. The View on their schedule just says Kate but I would not be surprised she drags the twins along. For the love of God, will those crackling women ask any probing questions? Is this another coming out ploy to hawk the twins?
Well we all knew that Kate would put her mug back on TV some how after Jon did WW.
Ugh it's going to be the same old tired lines "we miss filming and tv and crew" "mommy is all some daddy isn't all some"-And Kate's umming and lies and Jon bashing.-(same old same old),
On The Big Bang Theory, it's funny when Amy Farrah-Fowler gushes over her "bestie," Penny. In real life, it's real creepy. **************************************************************************
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"You know what? To Kate - I'm going to tell her when she gets here. If you've got timber wood, I've got matches because I will burn up the house and tear up a car for you, Kate. You don't have to say you did it. I'll leave my name - Sherri. I'll blow up Jon Gosselin's car." ********************************************************
Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking of. Wonder if she can top it?
I don't think that Sandie and Milo are best buddies:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 1h @Kateplusmy8 Rumor has it that U will be on the @theviewtv ??? Sure hope so! It's a new year...new opportunities...new doors 2open! :)
Sandie @SandieBellz 1h @MiloandJack Why don’t you give credit to Nora, she’s the one that tweeted it. @Kateplusmy8
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 1h @SandieBellz @Kateplusmy8 Well...okay! LOL Sure didn't mean 2slight anyone! >> @NoraSaysNo saw info that U will be on the View Kate! :)
Vanessa said... 126 Layla, our lives are sooo similar:) But do you think that Jon should keep quiet, or speak out? *********** That's a tough call. Sometimes when my MIl is really out of control, it's just best for me to step away. No tough words, no argument, just avoid her. I know she still talks about me behind my back, but I ignore her and don't give her any ammunition. In Jon's case, however, he is being bashed for the whole world to hear. How can he jsut sit by and let that happen? He needs to defend himself, but that just fuels Kate to try even harder to destroy him. The difference is, she has a platform to bash him in front of milllions. I think a normal person can only take so much. And even if he doesn't speak out, she never stops. In 30 years, if anyone will give her the time of day, she'll still be throwing Jon under the bus. It will never get old to her, even though others move on. Case in point: When my DH and I first married, I took a jacket that he had torn to a tailor to be repaired. I am not good at sewing. But now, 26 years later, my MIL still tells people, "She's can't even sew a button!" Not true--I can, in fact, sew a button, but she has to blow it up into something more dramatic, and she's perfectly happy to throw that in my face for the rest of her life. I gave up trying to correct her a long time ago. There's no point. Time to move on. But if she were doing it on TV? I don't think I could handle that for years and years to come. It doesn't seem like there's any right answer for Jon.
If it's war, then to be fair The View should invite Jon also (same day would be a coup but not likely). The more this plays out, the more we will see both of them on talk shows and tabloids. " War of The Roses" here we come! to those kids' minds. AND, this works to Robert's benefit because now a publisher may jump to print his book. Kate is such a freakin' idiot.
"Milo identifies so much with TFW, that it's beyond creepy. Just the other day, she tweets referring to herself as "extended family" (! WTH?), and now mocks Jon by saying her home is as much a "compound" as TFW's home."
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Who in the name of all that's holy IS this person? Is it Kate? Is it Steve? Is it more than one person? Is it someone in the last stage of celebrity worship, and if so, is it dangerous? We know it's creepy, but is it really anything for Kate to worry about? Does anyone know?
Well if the twins are on the View with TFW and say that they want another reality show I hope that someone asks them what they envision this show will be about and why anyone would want to watch it. Saying you want a show because you miss the crew and trips doesn't quite cut it becasue I don't care that you miss the trips that you took on TLC's dime. I missed taking my vacation in 2013 because I was furloughed and decided to use our trip money for other things. Life is tough sometimes. As far as the crew goes, the've moved on to other shows and you'd get a whole new crew. So, WTF does that have to do with anything? I hope that they don't come across as bratty (yes bratty) sounding as they did in the magazine article. This doesn't seem like a good idea to me because it's just going to open them up to more criticism.
My mother is very much like Kate, and was abusive in nearly every way. I wish someone had spoken out. I just turned 50 and gain more clarity as I get older and NOW people like my elderly aunts and uncles will say, "We felt so sorry for you when you were little, because you seemed so lonely and afraid. Sometimes we wanted to scoop you up and love on you." I want to say, "Well, why didn't you? You could have quietly let me know that you cared about me and knew something wasn't right." But they did the best they could and I would never hurt them that way. I don't know if Jon needs to be saying it in the media, but I believe he should be quietly letting his kids know that he is their soft place to fall, period. He doesn't have to bash their mother or anything, and to be fair, he was only answering interview questions yesterday. (The In Touch thing is different, IMO. It just gives Kate more ammunition.) Hopefully he is having private conversations and/or gestures with each of those kids, and I believe he probably is.
What if Kate's appearance on The View is to announce some project? Horrors. But why else would they have her on there, unless it's to talk about that People cover, which would be almost 2 weeks old by then?
The difference is, she has a platform to bash him in front of milllions. I think a normal person can only take so much. And even if he doesn't speak out, she never stops. **************************************************************** I agree, his circumstances are unique. She continues and continues, never stopping. Much like your MIL bashing you allll these years later, they DON'T stop. tfw took this and will continue to take this to the public. If a man doesn't have his reputation, what does he have? Everything, EVERYTHING falls on it. From being a deadbeat, a bad father, a womanizer etc. etc. etc...he owes it to himself to pubically discredit what she's said about her, the kids, his parenting, his ethics, morals etc. I can so relate to how the "button" talk hurts and bothers you, and that's so small of an insult in the big scheme of things. Imagine what she's said about him affects him? Words hurt, no matter how petty and untrue they are. Bullies, they know what "buttons" to push, and they can size that up the minute they meet you.
Just emailed The View and let them know what I thought about Kate being on the show on Monday. I asked why they are beating a horse that's been dead for quite awhile! Told them I wouldn't be watching!!
TLC Stinks(130) Perhaps the kids were supposed to be on the show with TFW, and Jon objected. He just said that he would fight against the kids being on TV again, and if he told TTFW he'd take her to court, or contacted The View and let them know that he would NOT allow the kids to be on...well, maybe the plan has changed. I hope so. There is no reason for TFW to take the kids along for this, unless it's to have them either bash Jon or beg for a new show (or both).
Dmasy, sorry all is dumped onto your shoulders. If you need comfort, then read Footprints in the Sand. Good luck, keep in touch with us face less ones:) Will be 'therapy' and much brainwashing going on at the compound at boot camp this weekend. Wonder what the bribes will be this time. It will be nauseating to watch Sherry S. doing her best brown-nosing to tfw, will be gag-worthy to watch. Wonder if Whoopie will take a sick day, surprised if she does not.
One scenario for The View on Monday: Kate & 2-8 kids are ensconced on stage, the kids being kids and TFW happily Umming & Uhhhing her way thru the visit, and Whoopi says, "Guess what, kids, we have a surprise for you! Here's your dad!" Jon comes out, the kids go wild for their dad & what can TFW do but sit there, or storm out, making herself look like the horse's a$$ she is. One can dream...
Or, better yet, an intervention...Jon, Kevin & Jodi, Robert, Ashley, Jamie all on a panel to ask TFW the REAL hard questions.
I loathe this "woman" and "her" entire brand!
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What really burns me up is the only reason we know the names Mady and Cara is because they are the older sisters of the tups. That's the only reason they were on a reality show-NOT because they were interesting or had any talent! My kids would love to be on television too so they have studied their craft and have worked on their talents since they were young! There is no easy route! At least the Kardashians waited until the girls were adults- The Jenners- not so much- but the Jenner girls are absolutely gorgeous- even during their awkward years. I so hate this whole situation! Neither Khate nor "her" kids deserve to be rewarded with anything! They're not even likeable!
I wonder if we can now start to expect G-kids appearances on tv every time there's a school holiday? These talk show producers really need to start having a conscience.
Anonymous said... 66 Since when is a father, correcting his 13 year-olds, throwing them under the bus? Isn't that the job of a father? To correct immature, untrue beliefs? He has to nip this nonsense in the bud or things will be way worse down the line. ****************** He has every right to correct his children as he sees fit, but a national talk show is not the vehicle through which that should occur.
I agree 100% with I loathe this "woman" and "her" entire brand! @147. Kate is teaching those kids to expect everything to be handed to them with no work involved. Why go out and learn your craft if you can get a show handed to you becasue you are known for being the older siblings of sextuplets. Golden platter indeed!
Is anyone else watching The View? It just had a pop up saying Kate and the kids will be on Monday's show. I hope to god she's not dragging those girls out there to bash their father.
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Holy Moly! It's an all out war now. The View on their schedule just says Kate but I would not be surprised she drags the twins along. For the love of God, will those crackling women ask any probing questions? Is this another coming out ploy to hawk the twins?
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Why did the pop up say Kate and the kids? Did Jon put a halt to it already? I hope so.
If Kate appears with the twins on The View then it proves to me that she knows no bounds. However, if she shows up alone to promote and repeat the same old refrain then I think she should be asked the following:
Have you thought about meeting with Jon to put an end to the public airing of your differences for the sake of your children?
Jon has stated several times he feels it would be better if you communicated with him so you could better discuss the lives of your children, would you reconsider your position on this for your kids?
You have said many times that your kids miss the crew and the travelling TLC provided, is this why you want to expose them to television again, aren't they all involved in school now?
The public wonders if your kids see your family, your parents, Kevin and Jodi for example, if not, do you think they thought of the crew as their family?
If Kate is on with the same old pitch, then so be it, but if she is there to stage a rebuttal toward Jon with her kids, then I blame both Kate and The View for allowing the worst kind of exploitation.
Hey, maybe Kate can get some good cooking tips from Sunny Anderson, so maybe Kate can learn to cook some edible food and not that crap she cooks. I heard Sunny, is a very good cook. I do hope the kids are not on. There is not reason for any of the kids to be on any Talk show, it's not their birthday or hopefully not another reality show.
So when does this stop? Another pity tour for TFW, and possibly with children in tow on a day off from school? If I were Jon Gosselin, I would be serving her papers to prevent her taking any of the children on a daytime talk show. Of course she will be inarticulate, and I certainly hope she's alone. There is no single good reason to be using the children, although it really would expose for the child abuser that she is. In what mind is this even a good idea.
Dmasy said... 36 ****** I don't know what to say... prayers to you. You sound so strong. Whatever we can do, somehow, please say so. Stay strong, and God bless.
From the other thread to but relevant to this one...
Greedy Gosselins said...(181)
"I only wish they would both stop this tit for tat. Jon should know this just stirs up more crap at home for his kids. Why is it so important that he show the world he's an 'ordinary' dad?"
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I'm wondering if he when he signed up for CT that he also agreed to do a certain amount of press, possibly in his contract?
I really don't know how it works but I'm pretty sure that Jon participating in CT and the coinciding magazine articles, ROL stories and daytime talk show visit aren't coincidences.
I'm still on the fence about him doing CT in the first place. If it's true that he's already bought a house closer to his kids with the money then that's major points for him.
In any case, he could very well be contracted to a certain amount of press. If that's the case then at least he's using it to his advantage.
He's honest and sincere, answering questions straight on and forthright and coming across as likeable. Yeah, an 'ordinary' dad. If that's what he is, he deserves the chance to show that.
It's hard to imagine what it was like to be unable, by court order, to refute lies being told about you in the press for two and half years.
Knowing that people were forming opinions about your character, your parenting and even your kids and not even being able to make a phone call to a media outlet and just say the stories you're printing are bullshit.
So while I agree that I'd rather not see anymore of either of them on t.v. for their kids' sake, if this drama is going to be played out in the court of public opinion anyway, I for one am just happy to see Jon score a few points.
I hope Mady and Cara are not with Kate, but if so, this might be one of life's lessons for them. Kate never fails to embarass herself on these shows so I can't imagine that 2 13-year old girls wouldn't be embarassed to see their Mother act like a fool up close and personal.
"Dmasy said... 36 ****** I don't know what to say... prayers to you. You sound so strong. Whatever we can do, somehow, please say so. Stay strong, and God bless."
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Dmasy, I second Tucker's sentiments. I had to go back and read your post. Wow, sounds like quite the ordeal.
I'm sure everything will turn out great when all is said and done. Keep warm, keep cheerful and most of all, keep us posted. :)
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4m Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
Dmasy, best of luck to you and your DH. I hope that soon you'll be sitting watching a beautiful sunset together, enjoying a glass of wine and saying that it was all worth it.
As to TFW, I believe that all these recent appearances and covers indicate a run up to the 10th birthday of the tups. I think she is angling for a birthday special to show how they are now and what they are doing, etc. Of course all with a view to a new show. I think that she believes that if she can just get them out there and into public consciousness, that offers will come in.
Haven't read comments today, but I see she's supposed to be on the View Monday. Twitter speculation seems to be the twins will be w/ her. At least they aren't missing another school day. But I wonder if Jon will petition the court for an immediate hearing to half the kids being on, if they are scheduled to be. She has nothing new to be "interviewed" about.
He has every right to correct his children as he sees fit, but a national talk show is not the vehicle through which that should occur.
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He didn't "correct" his kids on television -- no admonishment was given. What he "corrected" was the perception of him that was put forth in the People article, a perception that was given by the twins, most likely sanctioned by Kate.
OMG she really is resorting to pimping out the twins full throttle. My god I never thought she would stoop so low. I can't believe it. Good luck girls. If you're going to put yourself out there as celebs then you're going to be treated by the public like celebs. There's no stopping that train no matter how wrong it may be. They will be fair game.
Kate never fails to embarass herself on these shows so I can't imagine that 2 13-year old girls wouldn't be embarassed to see their Mother act like a fool up close and personal. 88888888 Why would the girls be embarrassed if they act the same way? You learn what you live and you live what you learn. Kate is not a good role model.
Getofftwitter, Sunny Anderson has her own cooking show so yeah, you heard right, she's a good cook.
He is gaining a lot by moving closer. He can be more hands on, fighting the alienation. He can get the boys involved in scouts, or other events and actually be able to drive them to/from. When he lived 45 minutes away, he had to do ALL the driving. Go get them, back to his house, back to their house, back to his house. That's a lot of driving for the extra week night. This cuts on the excuse that the twins are too busy to see him during the week, they don't have to endure to extra hours in a car after being on a bus 2 hrs a day for school. He can keep them w/ him much longer at home vs transporting them in a car. I don't see any negatives to living closer. The locals already know and like him vs no one with anything nice to say about her.
kateplusmy8 Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!) 18 min ago from Twitterrific
I'm sick to my stomach. Whoever said the People arrticle and cover were just a precursor to even bigger exploitation of the twins was right.
@Kateplusmy8 Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4m Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
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Ah crap! I can't keep up.
Those girls are being thrown to the wolves just so their mother can get her face back on t.v. and have the last word.
I just hope the tups are at least with Jon and not the not-a-nanny.
My gosh, this is beyond sad. She truly is a new Kris Jenner. The girls are lovely, but they have not done anything to warrant such attention nor scrutiny - and it will come. They haven't won an award, they haven't won a race, they haven't started a charity endeavor that helped someone, they haven't acted or sang, they were just born, like millions of other kids. Unfortunately, they were born to someone who is going to continue to thrust them into the limelight.
I take back what I said earlier. I'm glad Jon is speaking out in the media because at least it shows concern for what is happening and what he is apparently helpless to stop. Many others are finally seeing it the same way too. Why do these shows keep having her on, when they get hundreds and sometimes thousands of negative comments about each appearance she makes?
I'm sick to my stomach. Whoever said the People arrticle and cover were just a precursor to even bigger exploitation of the twins was right.
@Kateplusmy8 Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
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The parading of the kids is not going to stop. She will keep this up until she lands some kind of an entertainment contract for them. There is nothing that anyone can do. She is out of control, and I think that this is just the beginning.
She wasn't kidding when she gave the finger to Jon with the dontsayIdidntwarnyou hash.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m @Kateplusmy8 @TODAYshow WOW! Step aside Mom..here come ur 2teens talkin abt the "what's cool teenage scene"! No fear of cameras there! :)
Step aside? Fat chance of that. Obviously Milo doesn't know Kate as well as she thinks she does.
kateplusmy8 Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!) 18 min ago from Twitterrific
Yup, Kate is pimping them out angling for a show for them. They're barely teenagers and with the privileged, secluded life they lead I doubt that they'll be speaking for most of America. I guess what Jon wants doesn't matter in the least and he can't keep Kate from putting them on display. As someone said above, their only claim to fame is the fact that their sibs are sextuplets. Maybe this is the twins redemption tour for some of the things they said in the article. Well, they're fair game now.
She thinks these girls are going to be the next Kardashians. I hate to say this but these girls are cute but they just don't have the beauty factor that got the Kardashian girls where they are. Kate has now opened these girls up for all types of public ridicule that we all know is coming. Jon needs to RUN to family court.
AH SO. This totally explains why she has been quiet since her last tweet yesterday. They must already be all comfy in their hotel room in NYC. Wonder if she even shares a room with the girls. You know Steve is there too. I guess she decided to spring this at the last minute to surprise Jon. What a bitch! Glad I'll be flying tomorrow so I won't be tempted to peek. Unbelievable. She is absolutely despicable.
"There's no stopping that train no matter how wrong it may be. They will be fair game."
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Absolutely they will be fair game. Kate is putting them out there and she's too darn stupid to realize exactly what this is going to do to them. I just hope that she doesn't coach them. After all, this media blitz is to trash him, and I will be surprised if, even if they soft-pedal the interviews, that something isn't said that shouldn't be said.
My god, she's insane. I guess there's no limit to what greed and the desire for fame will cause a person to do, even at the expense of your own children.
Well, I hope by some off chance someone in the industry takes a chance on both or one of the girls, Jon makes sure they are protected from their greedy, pimping mother.
How sickening is it of the Today Show to allow the twin on tomorrow. Missing at least a day of school. While the younger kids are home - who is watching them-the free nanny. I hope someone is alerting Jon and he gets an immediate hearing w/ CPS.
So, TFWs into full 'pimp' mode now. *not surprised*. Those girls, are going to face so much scrutiny and the reactions will not be good. Why in heaven's name can't she let those girls grow up outside of the limelight? The girls have nothing to offer the public at large. They haven't put in the work that so many other child stars have. Even "M", by her own admission, has only been in ONE school play - and not a lead role - and that was two years ago. I'm embarrassed that the Today Show is having them on. What is the point?
Well, I guess Kate isn't at the Paying For College presentation at school tonight! She'll have those kids in the entertainment industry, earning their own way through college, come hell or high water.
I think Kate is seething at Jon intimating to WW that she and Steve were a couple. There are certain things that trigger a rage in her beyond her normal. Yes, she was mad that he told WW that the kids don't really want to film, yes she's mad that he spilled the beans about that whole millionaire thing plus shes aggravated that he blew just about every facade she tries to create on the talk show circuit from stating that he's the one with the good intentions not wanting to film the divorce on TLC for the kid's sake to disputing the allegations the twins made that he had multiple girlfriends. But she's absolutely fuming at the dating Steve reference. Pity the poor kids that may appear on The View on Monday and have to endure a weekend full of daddy-bashing coaching from Kate as a rehearsal.
In a weird way it's kind on hysterical Kate keeps talking about the kids wanting to film and then Jon has to say actually I asked them and that's nonsense. Is there an offer on the table to film them? If not who the hell cares if the kids do or don't want to film? Sheesh, it's almost embarrassing to keep bringing this subject up without any offers out there.
Of the girls are supposed to be on the Today Show tomorrow, then they are already in NYC. The show puts them up in a hotel overnight so they can be up early for a coaching/production meeting. If TFW and the girls are going to be on The View on Monday, then I would be willing to bet that TFW somehow finagled a hotel for the whole weekend. She'll take C&M shopping and to Ted Gibson, out to eat--basically their bribes for doing what Mommy wants them to do. She wants them to really want another show, so she will show them what celeb treatment is like. Nice hotels, restaurants, new clothes, people waiting on them hand and foot. After this trip, the girls WILL want another show, because they will want to be treated like that all the time.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4m Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
I am beyond disgusted. Hope their father is talking to his lawyer. Hey Kate, instead of tweeting about how they are growing up so fast, how about you stop pimping them out - you are an awful excuse for a mother.
Kate must be offering something. No way is the Today show having her on just for kicks. She has nothing to offer unless she is offering to have the kids talk about their dad and reality TV. She's got nothing else.
This sounds horrible, but i keep visualizing Cara with a sullen look on her face and Mady being annoyingly over dramatic. I wonder if they have gone thru some coaching? Hopefully?
Something I find interesting is that the girls are being 'presented' on a morning talk show instead of actually going to cattle calls and open and private auditions. If they had any kind of agent/manager they wouldn't be put on display saying "here I am, offer me a show", instead, they would be showing what they can do like every other professional does. Heck, even Jennifer Garner, Drew Barrymore, and others have to audition for what they want, and they have the chops and resume propping them up.
What do those girls have. Sure, they aren't ugly - that's good, but the only claim to fame they have is being the older sisters to a set of sextuplets. The only thing in the cards for them would be another reality show and those shows seem to be turning into either more of a joke and on some channels they are being phased out for the most part.
PA Dutch Mom said... 186 Well, I guess Kate isn't at the Paying For College presentation at school tonight! She'll have those kids in the entertainment industry, earning their own way through college, come hell or high water xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx College? Who needs college when you can grift and sell your soul to the devil for a living?
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And that's what I find odd. Jon appears to be a loving father in all ways but one. Why can't he see that these reality tv show appearances and silly gossip talk shows is only making people talk about him, Kate AND HIS KIDS? Is it his ego? I don't get it.
more of a quiet acceptance that TFW will never move off her position of controlling their divorce the way she did their marriage
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I did feel that as well. When he said he's not afraid of Kate anymore, it really reminded me of things I have heard other parental alienation victims say once they've stopped being so strung out over what is happening and just accepted it. I didn't take that to mean he thought Kate could physically hurt him. I took it to mean that he has accepted she is an obsessed parental alienator and that only he can control how he responds to that. Hence, he is not "afraid" anymore. There is really no good way to deal with parents like her but in terms of being able to not drive yourself nuts, being in that mindset of "they can't hurt me" is a wonderful outlook and will only benefit your kids and help you just go on with life.
You're up to bat next, Kate. When will this ever end??
Is it 2009 again? Geesh, both of these 'parents' need to grow up and move on. Jon didn't want his divorce to play out on reruns? Then STOP going on interview shows.
Kate's a lost cause but Jon should know better. He's been through this already. Does he really want the publicity and hype to start up again? 'Cause that's putting his kids out there in the spotlight.
No, he hasn't allowed them to do a People mag interview but it's certainly not helping the situation by continuing with these dumb shows.
I read there are 3 kinds of parental alienators and the obsessed ones are the worst. No court of law will ever get thru to the alienator that what they are doing is wrong. Sadly, the outcome for the kids is not all that positive. There is no therapy known to work. So sad. Likely is Jons best response to just accept, not be scared, and keep to remembering that " he and his kids know the truth".
As far as the discussion about whether Jon said 8% or 80% of the profits went to a trust funds for the kids (I am sure I hear an a-e end sound vs a hard t sound) he qualifies it by saying the kids are fine.
So Jon does not sound too worried about their futures. Thank goodness they did that in the beginning before greed and warped perceptions began to creep in.
TFW will likely stay silent on twitter for a few days and then resurface farting rainbows about how perfect her world is and how happy happy happy they are!!
Looks good, sounds good, and quite honestly, only throws his wretched ex under the bus when he is asked a direct question. Considering that she and TLC muzzled him for 2 1/2 years, I think he has earned the right to say a few things now. Considering that the biotch, who should be making a real effort to co-parent and refuses, keeps him off 'her' property and makes him drop the children on the road, and only communicates via texts, would say worse if given any chance at all. And yes, it was good that Liz was not there, he was quite convincing by himself.
Ego, or maybe just a quick paycheck so that he could afford a place four miles from his children. Maybe he crunched the numbers and saw he would have to work 3 years before he'd be able to afford to move to Kate's neighborhood. With CT, he could do it in two weeks. I'm sure it's heavy on his mind that childhood doesn't wait and there are only a few years left here for Kate to brainwash them. He's got to stay in the game and be a constant in their lives or they could turn against him for good. As they get older, going all the way out there will be less appealing. If he's just around the corner, it becomes less of an issue to go run over there to hang out at dad's. It's one of the best decisions he's made that we've seen.
I agree that Jon has realized that TFW will never ever ever change. When they were married, he was stoic and bit his lip and went about the business of being a daddy. When he couldn't take it any more he left...not just TFW, but walked away from the show, because it was the right thing to do to for his children.
Jon has moved on with his life. I really liked that when WW kept pressuring him to say he thought that TFW was having an affair w/Steve, he calmly said that he thought them traveling together was inappropriate, but he doesn't really think about that any more. He has moved on.
His getting a house close to TFW and Liz's ex is a good thing, and if it took him going on Couples Therapy to get the money to do it, so be it. He (and Liz) get along with her ex, and if TFW chooses to not get along, then he will deal with that, because he has moved on.
I read there are 3 kinds of parental alienators and the obsessed ones are the worst. No court of law will ever get thru to the alienator that what they are doing is wrong.
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Yes. I agree with this. The court of law does not get through. I have only seen about 3 people who I would call true obsessed alienators. Every single one was a female. And the ONLY way to get them to stop was to give full custody to the other parent and basically cut them off with either no visitation or monitored visits with a therapist. Even then they will still continue the behavior, still say inappropriate things, still try to defy court orders (for instance if the scheduled phone call is for 6 o'clock they might consistently call either too early or too late, even past the child's bedtime, and demand the child be made available immediately)
It is truly deranged, sociopathic behavior.
What's the point of living closer to his kids if he's alienating them by giving stupid interviews? You just know Kate is spinning this in their little heads. Does not make sense.
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''......With CT, he could do it in two weeks. I'm sure it's heavy on his mind that childhood doesn't wait and there are only a few years left here for Kate to brainwash them. He's got to stay in the game and be a constant in their lives or they could turn against him for good. As they get older, going all the way out there will be less appealing. If he's just around the corner, it becomes less of an issue to go run over there to hang out at dad's. It's one of the best decisions he's made that we've seen.
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I agree that moving very close to his children was a good decision. Jon has always been a daddy first, and that will be a lot easier w/him being so close to them.
it becomes less of an issue to go run over there to hang out at dad's. It's one of the best decisions he's made that we've seen.
If this is a good decision, I'd hate to see a bad one. He said he didn't need the money, so.....
Besides, directly contradicting his 13 yr. old daughters isn't going to endear them to going over to visit.
Ok, say he DID do CT for the money (which he just said he didn't need). Why the newspaper interview, the Oprah interview, this interview? At some point, someone needs to say enough. The kids suffer each and every time EITHER parent goes to the media.
Jon appears sensible in this interview and that confuses me even more.
As to why Jon might be doing interviews like this one on Wendy Williams - I wonder if that's part of the contract with this reality show. Perhaps contestants have to agree to do interviews for publicity.
I don't know (or care) if Jon's ego is responsible for his recent flurry of interviews/appearances, but I say he's earned it after the lengthy TLC sequester.
Just like the show was a way of preserving memories, so does Jon doing interviews preserve evidence that he fought for his kids and what he thought was right. He's been muzzled for 2 1/2 years. Did the kids ever wonder why he never said or did anything? One of the things that is going to be very important for those kids in the future is validation. I've been waiting for years for him to speak. He shows he's rational, articulate and "ordinary". He's authentic. He doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is. He stated facts. He put it out there for people to make their own judgement. He owns it. He's got a lot of catching up to do if we're counting tit for tats.
PJ
I know how Kate slipped it by. Kedra came there. Crew and all. The children were blindsided. ......
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I think you called it. There was something off about the kids then that I couldn't put my finger on, but I think this was it. They were given little/no notice that it was going to happen.
Watching it again, I have to say that Jon seems like a great dad. If I'm judging him solely on this interview, his politeness and general demeanor is a stark contrast to his wife's.
I just wish they'd both stop talking about each other in media. Give the kids a break.
I support Jon, though. Who wouldn't when compared to Kate?
I, too, liked that Jon was on alone. It's not time for Liz yet.
I loved how at ease he seemed. And so gracious and personable.
How much do you think VH1 paid for Couples Therapy? Enough that Jon could move closer to TFW, also conveniently closer to Liz's ex? If so, then perhaps this was a good decision for him. You're right, Admin, the years are flying be, he deals with a narcissist parental alienator, so if crunching the numbers gets him closer and more effective in their lives, and keeps THEM off tv, then good job.
Millicent said... 13
''As to why Jon might be doing interviews like this one on Wendy Williams - I wonder if that's part of the contract with this reality show. Perhaps contestants have to agree to do interviews for publicity.''
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I believe you are right. WW did mention CT more than once. Even Liz was supposed to be with him. I think that interviews are expected as a way to call attention to Couples Therapy.
"mean harpie"...lol. Gotta love Wendy. That's probably the nicest nasty name Kate has been called in a long time.
I, too, liked that Jon was on alone. It's not time for Liz yet.
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Or maybe after doing Couples Therapy, she got a taste of what reality tv is like and said no thanks, not my cuppa tea.
I wouldn't blame her a bit.
capecodmama said... 198
Jon said he and TFW put "8% of the gross of the income of the show for three years into trusts for them." He didn't say 80%. Because I DVR'd the show, I listened to that statement a couple of times to make sure I got it right. I'm sorry but that's not a lot of money considering if it wasn't for those kids there would be no show.
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I listened more than once and very clearly heard 80%. People need to listen and judge for themselves.
So wait, Jon "alienates" with this interview but the twins didn't alienate him in theirs? How can they be upset with him whatsoever when they just trashed him to millions in People? In any case he said nothing alienating. What he did say are things that were straight facts that the kids already know. That's not what alienation is. Alienation is not a recitation of the sad facts when asked about the situation just because those facts happen to involve the other parent being a complete psycho. Alienation involves painting a twisted and distorted and constantly negative picture of the other parent in an attempt to slowly and methodically turn the children against that parent. I've never seen such twisted behavior from Jon and would not in any way shape or form classify him as a parental alienator. He is an alienatee, the victim of an alienator, who at times gets frustrated and fed up with his ex and her alienation, but does not engage in the same. For ages he talked about what a GOOD mom Kate was and I've never seen a shred of evidence he tries to turn the kids against Kate. And given that this show airs at 11 oclock and we know the kids went to school today per Kate, how would anyone even see it or know about it? Even the stuff about Tony which he didn't participate in, why shouldn't the kids be aware that Tony is upset with her? They need to understand that when you treat someone like crap, eventually they don't like you anymore. That's not alienation, that's life. Time to stop coddling them, they are not the babies who used to be on the show we saw.
Yeah, I'm not buying "Jon The Good Dad" bit. Maybe he is a good parent but so are most of the rest of us and we don't go on talk shows to discuss the past. Moving on? Or cashing in on 'the past'?
Let's not let our own disgust of Kate override our feelings of hoping the kids turn out ok. There's nothing good coming out of this tit for tat crap they're both participating in.
Here's what alienation is: Your father dated many women five years ago because he doesn't love you and was more concerned about reclaiming his youth than spending time with you, and you feel very bad about that don't you?
Here's what alienation isn't: Five years ago, my ex dated several women and it was hard on me and I still haven't gotten over it.
One is a fact, the other is an attempt to influence the children against them. It's not the same thing.
So wait, Jon "alienates" with this interview but the twins didn't alienate him in theirs? How can they be upset with him whatsoever when they just trashed him to millions in People?
You're talking about 13 year old girls. Jon is an adult. As parents, we're supposed to be the better person. That means, when your kids upset you, even in public, you talk to them about it PRIVATELY.
You're not really saying Jon should 'one up' his young daughters because they talked badly about him first?? What the heck?
OF course you don't coddle adolescents. But you don't call them out in the media either.
Ok, alienate was the wrong word. How about estranging himself or contradicting their interview? He directly contradicted them about them wanting to film. He shouldn't do that in PUBLIC on a trashy talk show. He's their father for goodness sake. They just publicly stated they want to film again. For him to contradict them ON TV is wrong. I'm sorry but it is.
Clearly these twins need someone to sit them down and discuss, IN PRIVATE, that their behaviour is unacceptable.
I give Wendy Williams credit. She probably got an earful from Tony about what an absolute bitch Kate was. He spent day in and day out w/ her for weeks so he really gotto know the true Kate. Then when Wendy saw the People Interview and how Kate paraded out Jon's daughters to publicly their dad, she wanted to give Jon a fair shot to have his say. She put forth almost all the questions we would have liked to have seen answered. It was heart wrenching to hear that he was sued for not wanting the divorce to be filmed. TLC and KAte looked like the assholes that they are w/ that one statement, and that swayed the unknowing public's views.
Oh, and Kate better watch out. Jon is now 4 miles away which is easy 'hop on my bike and run away to dad's distance."
Thanks for posting the interview Admin.
Wendy sure gets to the point doesn't she? Looks like she asked questions that were tweeted or emailed to the show.
His remark about him not being afraid anymore is what said it all for me. This is what a narcissist/alienator (and not just parental, she alienates them from family, friends, people who work for her...remember the friend who called for mady? the nannies?) So yes, she needs to be called out and put in her place. Only way to SHUT HER UP. Only way with these people. People are upset that he just doesn't stay quiet? I honestly want to know if you've ever had the experience or pleasure of living with/been raised by a narcissist? A narcissist who had a literal team of enablers with deep pockets?
No mention that it was her "journal" that he supposedly hacked into.
I'm sure there's some legal reason for not using the word "journal"
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What's the point of living closer to his kids if he's alienating them by giving stupid interviews? You just know Kate is spinning this in their little heads. Does not make sense.
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Just how did he alienate any of the kids with this interview?
Greedy Gosselins said: Besides, directly contradicting his 13 yr. old daughters isn't going to endear them to going over to visit.
By "directly contradicting" them do you mean when he said he only brought 2 women around? I think it was more of setting the record straight since the twins (in their interview) made it sound like he had a different girlfriend every week. Also, I believed him when he said that they say one thing to TFW and another to him. What kid doesn't p,ay that game? I think the kids know by now that they'd better tow the company line around TFW because in that house if momma ain't happy ain't nobody happy.
Gayle (Can't sign in this morning)
Katykat said... 29
I give Wendy Williams credit. She probably got an earful from Tony about what an absolute bitch Kate was. He spent day in and day out w/ her for weeks so he really gotto know the true Kate. Then when Wendy saw the People Interview and how Kate paraded out Jon's daughters to publicly their dad, she wanted to give Jon a fair shot to have his say. She put forth almost all the questions we would have liked to have seen answered. It was heart wrenching to hear that he was sued for not wanting the divorce to be filmed. TLC and KAte looked like the assholes that they are w/ that one statement, and that swayed the unknowing public's views.
Oh, and Kate better watch out. Jon is now 4 miles away which is easy 'hop on my bike and run away to dad's distance."
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I agree. I think she and Tony became friends and she doesn't appreciate the way TFW treated him.
It as made perfectly clear also what tfw meant when she said "Jon and I have different goals" Made it sound that he wanted to just party, chase women etc. When what it really was that he wanted to STOP the divorce from being filmed.
I watched the WW show last night online. There was nothing remotely wrong with Jon's interview with WW. He was polite, well spoken, and endearing. He said nothing inappropriate and did not throw TFW under the bus even though he a few openings where he could. He did not exploit the children. If anyone saw anything wrong or inappropriate in this interview, then you wanted to see something wrong and inappropriate - something that just wasn't there.
OT....too much about me and very little about Kate.
Thank you ladies for being an island of diversion and consistency.
I have been here every day reading. I just didn't have words to share.
Long story told condensed....the last few months have been difficult.
I kept vigil with my sister as her husband died of cancer. He was diagnosed and died twelve weeks later on Thanksgiving day.
Two weeks ago one of our beloved pets died.
In the background of some tragic events, we sold our long time home and had a huge moving sale. We were living out of U Haul boxes when we found out the closing was canceled. Our retirement/downsize house is behind in construction. Two houses and no home.
We will be relocating over a thousand miles from our Illinois life style.
I made the drive here without hubby and arrived around midnight last night. I will create a "camp" home in a tiny apartment while making final finish decisions for the new house. I will miss hubby holding down the fort with two dogs back in the Midwest.
I had a very cozy night sleeping on the floor. This morning will unpack the coffee maker!
First I want to say that I've always liked Jon. Hell, he could be an ax murderer and I'd like him better than Kate.
But I do not understand this understanding, forgiveness crapola because Jon comes out from under his rock once the TLC muzzle is off. He said it on WW that he does not like working in a cubicle (like many if us have to) so now he is out there using his contacts and name recognition to make some quick money. Different from Kate? Not by much. He may not be making his kids appear on shows or have them photographed, but maybe it's because he simply is not allowed to do so by Kate. The fact that the minute he can hit the talk and reality shows, he does and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Part of me gets it: he needs the money. But hey, he blew millions unlike Kate. So in that sense she is sharper than him. Anyway, I just wanted to jump in here because I needed to comment on the Jon lovefest. He is a nice normal guy that was lied to and abused by TFW, but that does not excuse his attempts to remain relevant publicly in the entertainment world. I wish he had just remained silent and worked his connections it make a living without prostituting himself and his girlfriend. That article interview he did was rock bottom, IMO.
Out part 2: You funny and smart ladies kept me company through some dark and confusing days. Thank you.
So much has been out of control and I am a personality that isn't comfortable without a sense of order. I think the marathon drive gave me a sense of direction. (OK...ha.). I woke up refreshed and ready to go forward.
I don't consider Wendy Williams a "journalist". She didn't allow Jon to expand on his answers or ask probing follow up questions. She is a talk show host. I realize time is limited on such a TV format, but if Jon feels compelled to get his side out there or to let people know he is not the womanizer slime bag Kate and her minions would have many married women believe, then he either needs to write a book (with an excellent ghost writer and publisher) or give an indepth interview about reality TV effects with a reputable magazine. He will not be invited to any investigative TV shows because of conflict of interest, but he can certainly be a spokesperson against using kids in reality TV like Paul Peterson. Personally I don't understand how he could go before a family court judge and declare he does not want his kids on TV but it's ok for him. He needs to be able to present a factual argument that reality TV is harmful to his kids' development.
Greedy Gosselins said... 12
If this is a good decision, I'd hate to see a bad one. He said he didn't need the money, so.....
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I think one needs to look at the context of Jon's statements. Wendy was asking him if he would consent to the kids' filming if TFW would give him a cut of the money earned. He said he didn't need the money, he would just go to work.
I think he was saying he didn't need the money in the way that TFW does (I don't know that she's hurting so much right now) as being on tevee is her preferred job, way to keep herself relevant, by using the kids, etc. I truly believe he will not budge from that position..
I'm firmly team Jon. I know he has and will continue to make mistakes, but he seems to be able to learn from his mistakes if the WW interview is any indication. If he wants to film a few reality shows without the kids in order to level the playing field with TFW, then he should go for it. By leveling the playing field I mean being able to get a house 4 miles away from her and maybe taking the kids' on a real vacation this summer. Normalizing their lives.
Something I want to give WW kudos for is that the pictures shown in the background were older, nothing current. The one of TFW with the twins was at least several years old and I had trouble recognizing C.
Millicent said... 13
As to why Jon might be doing interviews like this one on Wendy Williams - I wonder if that's part of the contract with this reality show. Perhaps contestants have to agree to do interviews for publicity.
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Exactly my thoughts as well. This interview was promotion for CT. And perhaps what he discussed with Wendy will come out on CT eventually. Wendy seemed to think highly of Jon. We'll see what happens.
I did love the fact that Wendy was so vocal about Tony and Kate LOL. So, as usual, most of what we heard or read about Kate and DWTS was true, she was a complete #$ch.
I go back and forth about Jon. He's an adult, he can do what he wants. Sure his actions are immature at times, but his doing a reality show is fine wtih me. He can make his own choices. I respect him for not wanting his kids on tv at this point.
I also respect the fact that he now lives near the kids. It will be good for them to be "in the woods" away from their mother, their McMansion and anymore media that their mother will expect them to participate in (like her twitpics or magazine interviews).
Dmasy, so sorry to hear about your awful past few months. I don't know why it happens, but so often in life the saying "when it rains it pours" applies. The nice thing is that when life is down, it always gets back up. Good luck to you.
By "directly contradicting" them do you mean when he said he only brought 2 women around?
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Exactly what some of us were wondering. Exactly how many did he even bring AROUND the kids? According to him, not many. He has every right to defend himself and his explanation implies even more that Kate put the idea in their head. No wonder they thought nothing of it as they didn't even see most of the lifestyle Kate objected to in the first place.
I'm starting to wonder where the notion came from that we must just shut up and let a narcissist and parental alienator do their damage. Just be a good little soldier and do it behind closed doors. When did it become bad to go public with your story? If it's under the guise of protecting the kids from a public spectacle, is that value more impotent than letting the person driving the train get away with it? Divorce Corp addresses this very issue. People have been punished for making blogs or posting to FB about injustices in their case. People have exposed corruption or the other parent getting away with atrocities. Various First Amendment groups have stood up for these people saying wait a minute, why can't they speak their peace especially about a system that is rewarding liars and abusers? Jon really is similarly situated, the government has given custody to a very ill woman and he can't be with his children every day. Why can't he speak up?
This is OT, but I just wanted to tell everyone about a wonderful man that we lost on Christmas Day. His name was Bill Knight and he was from Bangor, ME.
Some of you may have seen the film "The Way We Get By" about the Bangor Airport Troop Greeters. These folks greet inbound and outbound flights to Afghanistan and Iraq and have done so since 2003.
Bill was one of the founders of this movement. He was a dedicated and devoted to greeting flights now matter what time of day or night or what the weather conditions were, he was there. He was the first in line to shake their hand and his catch phrase when the troops got off the plane was "Welcome home, Heroes!"
Bill's was 91 when he passed on Christmas day. His funeral was this past Sunday. He was a great man, but he was so humble that he never viewed his greeting as greatness, he viewed it as simply as being a good American.
I just wanted to share this with all of the readers because Bill should be known about and never forgotten. He was and inspiration to many. Anyone willing to offer a prayer for Bill, it would be a lovely gesture.
I'm sure that when Bill reached the Gates of Heaven, God, and all the troops who didn't make it home, greeted him with a loud, resounding "Welcome home, Hero!"
Dmasy:
I am sorry to hear of your recent difficulties plus a big move on top of that. That's lot of stress. I admire your attitude and wish you the very best for health and happiness in your new home. Hopefully there will be new things for you to enjoy and less upkeep to tie you down. I have always enjoyed your posts and glad you are still active on this board. I agree this group is a cohesive helpful one!
But hey, he blew millions unlike Kate.
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Oh Kate has to have blown millions too, come on. How could she have not with that lifestyle? That upper upper middle class borderline wealthy lifestyle does not come free. And Jon explained that he blew his millions mostly on lawyers fighting TLC and Kate for a noble cause, to stop his children from being on T.V. once and for all. So I don't really think it's fair to imply he was being reckless. What was he supposed to do when he was being sued like that? He had to fight it.
OF course you don't coddle adolescents. But you don't call them out in the media either.
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How did he call them out? I thought he didn't even mention his kids by name in the interview.
He was asked how many women the kids even saw and he answered. Simply stating the facts is not "calling people out." He has every right to state the facts.
Besides, the kids know how many women they saw. How can they be offended by him merely reiterating what they actually saw? As has been said so many times, they lived it.
Enough is enough with these girls. If they lied about their dad's "string of women" (even if it was because Kate manipulated them to do so) and their dad wants to tell the truth, they need to hear that. And they should feel bad. They are not babies. The sooner they know that this behavior is unacceptable and hurtful to people they love, the better.
I think both Jon and Kate alike blew millions on attorneys. Probably Kate more so than Jon with all of the legal problems she has been involved in; i.e. Bullyville, Robert's book
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I'm of the opinion that there are three sides to every story. In this case, Kate's side, Jon's side and the truth. Kate and Jon can both go on talk shows and state their opinion. We don't really know what the truth is. At times Jon has stated that Kate has plenty of money and then he also said she is broke. So there you have it. Who to believe and does it really matter? The supposed goal of this website was to voice the opinion that they are both using their children for money and how the children shouldn't be exploited.
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As far as Mady and Cara are concerned, maybe in their eyes it was a "string of girls" that their dad brought around. Maybe that's the way they remember it. You certainly can't call them out for expressing their feelings. They were going through a very hard time.
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Yes I'm sure she did Marie. Yet, she didn't have to!
Almost all of Jon's money blown in lawsuits has been on defense work. Actually, all of it was. He has never sued anyone that I'm aware of. How can anyone fault someone for spending money DEFENDING themselves?
With the exception of Sylvia LaFair, all of Kate's attorneys fees blown have been to PROSECUTE. Big difference. There are a dozen and a half other ways to deal with problems in your life instead of blowing your children's money on suing other people. Some of them would be conjoint therapy and a parent conflict class. Someone defending themselves against the legal system gets my understanding far more than someone going around initiating vicious and usually bogus lawsuits.
I thought he said she had plenty of money, but that it was running out of her buckets of money or she herself was very fearful of running out and that's why she is acting so desperate lately. I mean, it does have to run out sometime. That's how I always saw it actually, so I don't see that as inconsistent. You can have millions but be in danger of being broke in six months if you're blowing through it all that quickly.
As far as Mady and Cara are concerned, maybe in their eyes it was a "string of girls" that their dad brought around.
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Well, at first they said they thought nothing of it in their eyes. Their feelings are their feelings, but Jon has every right to say, just putting it out there it was two women, not a string.
Two women could have upset them and that's fine. Yet that's not what they said. Usually a child's first gut reaction is the honest one. When prompted further, they remembered the party line of Kate and spouted some nonsense about a string of women that now in context makes no sense, since they never saw any such string. They were only nine years old, too. This is parental alienation at its finest, they were clearly brainwashed to "remember" something they did not. I'm GLAD he set the record straight on that. It makes Kate look bad, not the girls. It's not their fault she tried to reprogram their memories, although they do need to learn sooner rather than later letting Kate reprogram their memories can be hurtful to others even at the same time if it is cruel of Kate to do to them. They have every right to start learning it's okay to say NO MOM that is not how I remember it and YOU cannot tell me how I remember something. They need to understand this is OKAY.
And didn't the kids already know some of these girlfriends, in particular one was a nanny and one was the daughter of close friends? I wonder if the two he brought around were two they already knew anyway and they just saw them as old friends coming around. Why on earth would that be upsetting? The fact is, it wasn't. I believe their first answer to Kate Coyne, they thought nothing of it.
Here we go again
http://www.intouchweekly.com/stars/news/jon-gosselin-slams-kate-gosselin-for-isolating-their-eight-children
PS they have to ask to use the bathroom?
Here we go again
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This sounds like a classic case of taking one interview and breaking it up into two weeks of issues to stretch it out.
And have to ask to open the fridge, get a snack, use the bathroom, in their OWN HOME? This reminds me of Martha Stewart's daughter. Nine and thirteen year olds are clinging to Jon in public because they never get out much--not normal.
I'm glad they interviewed a local who confirmed it's true, they never see Kate out with the kids anymore. And we've seen dozens of instagram and twitter photos of Jon with the kids. Why are their hardly ANY of KATE with the kids? The last one I remember was Kate in Wegmans but NO KIDS.
I think he's trying to reach out to her in the only way she understands--the media. This is an intervention in the only form she understands. A shake her and wake her up in the only form she understands. Whether this is wise, who knows. And I doubt Kate will listen.
Cue Kate's pity party on twitter and probably a blog post in response.
Dmasy,
I hope the journey back to your comfort zone is swift and that you find soul soothing pockets of respite along its way.
I think he's tired of listening to her BS tweets about how happy her kids are with her. Just like I am. It makes me nutty. The twins certainly didn't come across as she portrays them on Twitter. They fight, they sass, they act like divas. Which is typical of teenage girls but don't act like it's always sunshine and lollipops.
At the time of the divorce, they *both* blew through money like it was water.
He got a new car. She got 3 expensive used cars.
He got an apartment in NYC for a year or so. She got the McMansion.
He flew back and forth for custody for the first year, more or less. She flew back and forth for DWTS.
He, uh, ..... did whatever. She (and the bodyguard, and a limo driver) drive to NYC just for a haircut.
His lifestyle the past 3-4 years seems to have been pretty frugal.
Hers....NYC haircuts, bodyguard just to go to Target, Kentucky Derby, another car, more plastic surgery, botox, mani/pedis, personal trainers, a parrot, and on and on.
Dmasy you know you are much loved here and we're wishing you all the best with this big change in your life.
I think Kate is 'seen' at Chipotle, getting a break from all the 18/hour a day cooking she does. And probably on their dime.
Jon said on WW he spent $500k fighting TLC. He said he was a millionaire by season four, not tens of millions but the way he stated it looked like more than just "a" million. He rented that expensive apt. in NYC, flew out west where I believe he was renting or bought a condo, drove a BMW, etc., so yes he spent plenty of his money on attorneys but he still was unable to put aside for his future. True, Kate is using the trust funds to pay for school etc and so she is depleting that, but Jon would not be in the financial situation he us in today had he not spent like there was no tomorrow after he moved out. I think he did, though, because, like Kate, he envisioned a lucrative deal with Ed Hardy or maybe another TV gig. Kate was lucky because TLC paid her divorce attorney fees and she landed another show with probably a high salary. She will be in Jon's shoes for certain in a few years but as a control freak and schemer, she has outlasted him in lifestyle. What goes around, comes around. Isn't it ironic that Kate is blowing through the money now hiring attorneys to fight Jon and Robert? In the end, everybody will be poorer. Poetic justice for the Gosselins.
Dmasy, sorry to hear of your troubles. I do hope the worst is behind you now and things will start to go smoother for you. Hang in there!
Mel, she's able to use the trust fund money supposedly only for the kids but I bet there is some fancy accounting going on. She also has money planted in some investments. She had money than Jon after the divorce since she did not have to hire attorneys and got her Kate Plus8 gig. But it's been years and I agree she keeps up a toney lifestyle. Probably on the kids' dime.
but Jon would not be in the financial situation he us in today had he not spent like there was no tomorrow after he moved out.
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I'm not sure about that, if he didn't spend the money, the attorneys were going to take it. The court can even put a lien on your property and cars to pay attorneys. I can't even count the number of people I know who were genuinely made broke by a divorce or other lawsuit. It happens all the time even to wealthy people. He also had that 22,000 child support payment for a very long time. I kind of wonder if part of his behavior was just sort of a screw it, it's all going to the attorneys or child support anyway so might as well spend it now. And if I recall her returned that car within months and was out of those apartments within months.
If 80% of it was saved for the kids and couldn't be touched, he could be assured his kids were well cared for, that there would be no accounting for the 22k (i.e. Kate could just spend it on herself) I can see him thinking well attorneys and Kate are not going to get my share if I spend it. Rational, maybe not. Understandable, yes.
She can have millions and millions and it still can't give her what she wants.
Since when is a father, correcting his 13 year-olds, throwing them under the bus? Isn't that the job of a father? To correct immature, untrue beliefs? He has to nip this nonsense in the bud or things will be way worse down the line.
As Vanessa said, unless you've been raised with a narcissist, you have absolutely no idea. Staying silent is enabling them. The only way to stop them is to stop taking it and speak out. The biggest relief for me was having people tell me that the narcissist fooled no one. You must seek validation to preserve your own sanity.
PJ
localyocul said... 57
I think he's tired of listening to her BS tweets about how happy her kids are with her. Just like I am. It makes me nutty. The twins certainly didn't come across as she portrays them on Twitter. They fight, they sass, they act like divas. Which is typical of teenage girls but don't act like it's always sunshine and lollipops.
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Ditto. I think someone upthread make the comment that expressing his concerns in the media is pretty much the only way he has of addressing these issues with her. Can you imagine trying to text all of this to her?
Plus he's only focusing on the kids in the here and now. No rehashing the past, etc. Must frustrate the TFW to no end that Jon contains to stand up for the kids.
He is a nice normal guy that was lied to and abused by TFW, but that does not excuse his attempts to remain relevant publicly in the entertainment world.
What's wrong with Jon or Kate or anyone for that matter, exploring job opportunities in the entertainment industry as long as they don't exploit their kids? I don't think either one has any talent and I think that any success either of them might have would be based a train wreck / curiosity factor, but if they want to expose themselves to that kind of scrutiny and criticism, then I say more power to them - just leave the kids out of it. Let's face it, the entertainment industry can be a very lucrative 'job' and if they can make a living doing it while protecting their family and putting up with all of the negatives, then so be it.
Why is In Touch magazine giving Jon two back-to-back issues (with Kate's face plastered on the cover, of course)?
Good grief.
For years everyone here has been saying that Kate needs to be exposed for the monster she is for the sake of the kids health and well-being. Well, she's being exposed now and people are upset about it because of the kids?? You can't have it both ways. WTH?
yes he spent plenty of his money on attorneys but he still was unable to put aside for his future.
I don't believe we know whether Jon or Kate put any money aside for their future, I'm thinking retirement, Roth accounts, etc. Jon might not have trust accounts paying for his children's living expenses right now like Kate's doing with their education and who knows what else (I personally believe the kids' house is being financed with a trust account), but he might have something set up for his retirement.
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WW may not be a "journalist" per se but she does have a B.A. in Communications. She hosted her own radio show for 20 years before her gig on television. Katie Couric, Baba Walters, Meredith Viera etc. are all journalists and they did crap interviews with TFW. Only softball questions were lobbed at her. At least WW asked pertinent questions and Jon pretty much confirmed everything we've been saying here.
More details on the In Touch article including allegations of screaming at the staff (staff? Thought she did it all?) and..,.HITTING the kids
Is anyone else watching The View? It just had a pop up saying Kate and the kids will be on Monday's show. I hope to god she's not dragging those girls out there to bash their father.
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Since when is a father, correcting his 13 year-olds, throwing them under the bus? Isn't that the job of a father? To correct immature, untrue beliefs? He has to nip this nonsense in the bud or things will be way worse down the line.
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I don't know if it is necessarily throwing them under the bus to do that but doing it in a public forum is in bad form. How embarrassing for everyone. Just because their parents exploited them on television doesn't mean that it is okay to berate or call them out in public. It's not fair to them. They didn't ask to be raised in this circus.
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Jon did not say he bought another house, just that he just moved. I'm thinking he is renting both with the lease no eared yet on the first one.
ITA, divorce attorney fees will eat you up plus he had to fight Kate's lawsuit (I think her plan is to bankrupt him by harassing him with suits; same with Robert). Funny how Jon is making money now by assaulting Kate in the tabloids? Maybe this what she deserves. Not good for the kids with this tit for tat, but it is what is.
It seem s as though Jon and Kate are playing a game of back and forth one-upmanship. TV appearances, cover stories, articles etc. While Jon shows himself to be an ok person in most, the one article (the urinating one, sorry to bring it up again !) was not helpful to his reputation IMO. On WW he was fine. CT not a great idea. Kate is using her girls as another pawn if she can't garner public favor.I don't think CWS or KC did her any good,or her Twitter contest etc.
I think they should both live quiet private lives.Sensationalism is creeping back in, such as the permission to use the bathroom which I don't believe- they used to go on their own- remember Kate yelling "who pooped" in such a refined way in the all-mine episode,or when the kids clogged the toilet in the old house on their way out. The yelling at the twins for entering the kitchen before 6:03 AM was a little weird though.
@NoraSaysNo: @Kateplusmy8 Did I see that right? You & the kids will be on @theviewtv on Monday? #seeyouthen
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Oh good grief
I'm starting to wonder where the notion came from that we must just shut up and let a narcissist and parental alienator do their damage.
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Amen to that and the whole paragraph. The guy's been chewed, screwed and tattooed, and he STILL has to shut up? NO, he has every right to defend himself. He's been slandered, he's been lied about, he's had his parental rights sabotaged, he's been BULLIED. But oh no, don't wake the beast, right? My God, keep the peace, keep the peace...bull$#%t! The way to stop a bully is to fight back, period. Call the narcissist on her bs, make sure she knows she cannot control you any longer. What example is he setting for his BOYS if he keeps letting this woman walk all over him? Just take it because it "might" make her even angrier? I'd love someone to tell a young woman who's being treated the same way to just stay quiet. He wanted it out there for the world to know, I will NOT let my "underage" children be filmed for reality tv. Enough with the kumbaya. Some people are just as bad as tfw farting her rainbows and trying to portray to the public that "it's all good, step away from the curtain".
And privacy, shmivacy. She's baiting him in PRINT she's putting HER words into her daughter's mouths, and they need to learn that they are not immune to consequences.
The biggest relief for me was having people tell me that the narcissist fooled no one. You must seek validation to preserve your own sanity.
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So true PJ, so true. I can only imagine his mental state, the majority of the "world" believed her "version" of things. To finally, FINALLY be taken seriously by people? The relief, the awakening he's probably feeling? It will give him more fuel to do what is right by those kids.
Kate is using her girls as another pawn if she can't garner public favor
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Yup, since day one those kids have and always be "used" by her. That is the only purpose children, friends, husbands, siblings etc serve a Narc, what can you do for MEEEEEEE!!!!
Perfect, the kids can spend Martin Luther King Day not with friends, sports, sledding, movies, out to eat, but rather fighting Kate's battles for her. Just when you think this can't get any worse.
That's live right? Yikes that's rather brave of Kate.
Well, Milo strikes again...
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@Kateplusmy8 So I guess according to #InTouch article via ur EX...if you live in the country & have a gate & fence...ur in a compound! LOL
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@duffy1958 @Kateplusmy8 I guess I'm like Kate..I let my kids out of our compound this morning. Hope they do come back! LOL
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@Kateplusmy8 Sad & disappointed 2see that the man who said he wanted privacy & would not give any more interviews is selling U out again! :(
Good lord, Milo. Kate, through the girls, went to People magazine and sold HIM out. That's fine, though. It should be all one-sided, shouldn't it? Keep on enablin' her, Milo...that's what you're paid to do. I think that beneath that good old southern, kind, nice-to-everyone, g-dropping hick there exists a real snot.
I thought she doesn't pay any attention to Jon's interviews, any negative stories, or what the "haters" have to say. How does she always seem to know so much? Oh, that's right. Kate tells her. They communicate in so many ways.
The upside to these interviews and tabloid stories is that we are hearing from Jon as a concerned parent, not someone using the media to get something else. Although he admits he would go back on television he doesn't seem to manipulate the media when saying so. It also gives any future talk-show hosts an opportunity to quote Jon when interviewing Kate. His push-back (at least on the television interviews) seems to support him wanting to normalize his children's lives to counter TFW's goal of keeping them sequestered until can find the next way to market them. He sounds like a parent, not a marketer.
Wendy Williams coup yesterday was outing Kate's behaviour on DWTS, thus lifting at least one of the curtains to finally expose TFW publicly, must say, that was a refreshing....and unexpected!
Dmasy, all the best moving ahead.
I have asked this question before, again once more upthread, and I never get a response.
No disrespect at all, but to those who believe that Jon should just stay quiet, have you been raised, been married or lived with a FULL blown abusing narcissist? I'm serious,please, someone answer.
I hope Jon gets an emergency order from the court that the girls can't go on the view
She must have been freaking out after the WW whole yesterday and got on the phone demanding airtime
Although he admits he would go back on television he doesn't seem to manipulate the media when saying so.
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Good point. No begging, no feel sorry for me, no missing this or that, the crew, the trips yada yada yada
Just speaking the "ordinary" truth. LOVE it! Trumps her "mediocre" by a longshot!
Is anyone else watching The View? It just had a pop up saying Kate and the kids will be on Monday's show. I hope to god she's not dragging those girls out there to bash their father.
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I'm wondering if there is some negotiating going on for a new show???
I hope to hell he's put a huge wrench in that plan
More details on the In Touch article including allegations of screaming at the staff (staff? Thought she did it all?) and..,.HITTING the kids
They seem to be bringing things reported 4+ years ago into the article for more drama. The mixing of past and present comments and reports is confusing to me, and I've followed this mess for years. I can't imagine how mixed up those who don't know the history must be.
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That would be horrible if she is taking the kids on the View to dispute what Jon said. Ugh. Holy hell. Those poor kids.
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Dmasy:
May the road rise to meet you and the wind be always at your back.
Sorry to hear of you're troubles :(
More details on the In Touch article including allegations of screaming at the staff (staff? Thought she did it all?) and..,.HITTING the kids
They seem to be bringing things reported 4+ years ago into the article for more drama. The mixing of past and present comments and reports is confusing to me, and I've followed this mess for years. I can't imagine how mixed up those who don't know the history must be.
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No kidding-the ones writing the articles are probably the most confused.
As far as the hitting, although it was reported years ago, from MY experience, I don't think it's stopped. Maybe maybe the twins, but for damn sure the tups are getting whacked for some crime committed. Don't forget globegate. Just look at what she allowed herself to admit to doing?
She's baiting him in PRINT she's putting HER words into her daughter's mouths, and they need to learn that they are not immune to consequences.
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Yep. She wanted to go there and she brought the twins with her. I don't think she expected Jon to show up there too. And if he doesn't say something now where is it going to end? They'll start thinking they can do as mommy does and get away with it.
Kate has pretty much exhausted the sympathy card. People are finally starting to understand what a sham she is. They're ready to hear the other side of the story. WW's audience response to Jon was a good indication of that.
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@Kateplusmy8 So I guess according to #InTouch article via ur EX...if you live in the country & have a gate & fence...ur in a compound! LOL
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@duffy1958 @Kateplusmy8 I guess I'm like Kate..I let my kids out of our compound this morning. Hope they do come back! LOL
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@Kateplusmy8 Sad & disappointed 2see that the man who said he wanted privacy & would not give any more interviews is selling U out again! :(
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Yes, Milo. Whatever you say Milo. yada yada yada Milo. Jon is bad and Kate is good. We got it. Thank you. Buh bye now.
And so it begins...Kate starts parading the kids on tv talk shows. Are you freaking kidding me??
She has finally come to the realization she has no talent with which to get another show for herself, so pimp out the kids some more! Take them along on the Pity Me Rebuttal Tour!
I wonder if she'll make an ass out of herself again and/or if the kids will act up.
Mel: Kate does that. On the RV show, Kate did not tell the kids where they were going, I think she even stated, she does not tell them where or what is going on. Some sort of a-hole surprise, funny how un-surprised those kids were.
Remona: several other couple from that show have showed up on a few talk shows/morning shows already.
I guess I was right Kate is/was up to something, and that she is going to use the twins now to further her plans, her new direction! Shame on the View! I wonder if Jon will fight this?
She's on the view Monday?? This is really getting ridiculous...Enough already with these two idiots. Can't they keep their lives private? I'm just plain sick of both of them. Why is she dragging those poor kids on? Is there anyone who has the BALLS to step in and stop this madness. STOP GIVING THESE TWO AIR TIME!! HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLO. Anybody listening?? "Props" are an understatement...
That would be horrible if she is taking the kids on the View to dispute what Jon said. Ugh. Holy hell. Those poor kids.
Kate's too stupid to realize that doing something such as this - dragging the kids to TV shows is validating what Jon is saying.
IMO, it wouldn't matter if Jon got a restraining order, Kate would ignore it.
And so it begins...Kate starts parading the kids on tv talk shows. Are you freaking kidding me??
She has finally come to the realization she has no talent with which to get another show for herself, so pimp out the kids some more! Take them along on the Pity Me Rebuttal Tour!
I wonder if she'll make an ass out of herself again and/or if the kids will act up.
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This is getting to be insane. How much longer is the media going to give her the forum for this tit for tat campaign? You know darn well all of this is an FU to Jon #dontsayididn'twarn you. The lawsuit was dismissed and she's using every avenue she can think of to get even with him. This is not going to end well, if it even ends at all.
It's high time he gets himself into family court. The kids are being used as pawns in this "I'm going to get you" campaign. I know nothing about what it takes to get a psyc evaluation done on someone, but clearly, intervention is needed before she cracks and goes off the deep end. Enough is enough.
Is anyone else watching The View? It just had a pop up saying Kate and the kids will be on Monday's show.
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The View ladies aren't terribly fond of her so she's bringing in the kids to shield her from the grilling she'd otherwise get from them. What else is new?
I hope that the View hosts will not be asking Kate or the children questions about their dad. That would be awful. Kids this age can be prompted to say some things that they later will regret. If this is done, the hosts should be taken to ask for it and I would hope the audience would react in such a way as to voice their disapproval.
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Yes, Milo. Whatever you say Milo. yada yada yada Milo. Jon is bad and Kate is good. We got it. Thank you. Buh bye now.
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There are a few things I'd like to say to Milo, and yada yada yada and shutupshutupshut up are very tame in comparison to what I would spew forth!
I can't read Kate's TL right now. Maybe Milo blew it up with her lustings and rantings!
I think I'm more interested in what that dingbat Sherri Shepherd will have to say. We can all recite, in unison, what'll come out of tfw mouth, I want to hear what that idiot will add.
I have said that Jon will be in Family court a lot in the future. So it begins. Kates new direction. I can just see kate with the lawyer & Judge, it's only an interview. Yeah, an interview on TV. Family stuff, that should remain PRIVATE! I don't believe a word those girls say. They have been brainwashed by Kate. The article said, the twins said that they don't remember or they were ok with what their dad was doing, in 2009 (since they were just 9) Kate admitted that she talks to the girls about how wrong their dad is, his dating etc. To me , that says a lot, like brainwashing the kids against their dad. The People article scream Kate talk.
OH God..now she'll have the kids begging for another show and talking about missing the crew...How many years has this been going on now?? She will not face reality, will she? I didn't know begging was a career. Now she got the whole family doing it. They should call themselves "The Grifters"...
IMO, it wouldn't matter if Jon got a restraining order, Kate would ignore it.
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Oh, yes, it would matter. She would be prosecuted if she ignored it. They take restraining orders very seriously.
What's the View's producer's name again? the one who had the hots for tfw? I stopped watching a while ago. Maybe she enticed him with promises of spankings if he'd get her on the show ;-0)
hope that the View hosts will not be asking Kate or the children questions about their dad.
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If anyone it'll be Ms Wawa, she has lost it, no couth, no decorum. Bet she asks the kids VERY inappropriate questions.
I know nothing about what it takes to get a psyc evaluation done on someone, but clearly, intervention is needed before she cracks and goes off the deep end.
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Yes, the #don'tsayIdidntwarnyou hashtag seems even more foreboding now than before. Almost Betty Broderick-ish.
Does anyone know if she is bringing all the kids on the View, or just the twins?
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And so it begins...Kate starts parading the kids on tv talk shows. Are you freaking kidding me??
She has finally come to the realization she has no talent with which to get another show for herself, so pimp out the kids some more! Take them along on the Pity Me Rebuttal Tour!
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Yep just like when the cruise was failing she tried to use the twins as lure
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I have asked this question before, again once more upthread, and I never get a response.
No disrespect at all, but to those who believe that Jon should just stay quiet, have you been raised, been married or lived with a FULL blown abusing narcissist? I'm serious,please, someone answer.
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My mother-in-law is the narcissist in my life, and she has damaged every person who has ever come close to her. Everyone either hates her or coddles her, trying to ward off one of her meltdowns. She can't stand it if she's not the center of attention. She will go to any lengths to make sire that everyone is paying attention to her, including having a tantrum at my nephew's second birthday party, She was agitated, which is to be expected because she wasn't the one getting attention. Then she started screaming at me, "Don't talk to me! Don't even try talking to me!" Then she grabbed my FIL and stormed out, leaving everyone in shock. Later, when my SIL (the little guy's mother) called her to ask WTH was going on, she admitted that I hadn't said or done anything. Her excuse for ruining her grandson's birthday party? She was tired. The entire family coddles her and makes excuses for her behavior, which of course makes her think it's okay for her to act that way. I don't agree.
I avoid her at all costs. But I have a good understanding , after 26 years, of how a narcissist operates. It's frightening. They will keep pushing, bullying, throwing fits, and then wonder why people walk away. They have no shame, they have no empathy, and the ends justify the means. And nothing ever ends until they claim a victory.
Kate's fan, Sandie, tweeted this back on Jan. 10. Why didn't she tweet it to Kate?
Sandie @SandieBellz 10 Jan
Sorry, but I will not celebrate the girls speaking badly about their father & Alexis.
I think that's the problem with a lot of Kate's fans. Even though they sometimes disagree with her, they're afraid to tell her directly to her face.
Yes, the #don'tsayIdidntwarnyou hashtag seems even more foreboding now than before. Almost Betty Broderick-ish.
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Oh, gosh, Auntie. I was just thinking about that. The movie was on television a few days ago and I caught snippets of it. Kate is exactly like that...so much so that it's scary. Someone needs to step in now, but who? I just have a very bad feeling about all of this, and her enablers, the crazy sheeple, just keep egging her on.
Good for Sandie. It's okay to have a different thought than Kate. Good heavens.
I think I'm more interested in what that dingbat Sherri Shepherd will have to say. We can all recite, in unison, what'll come out of tfw mouth, I want to hear what that idiot will add.
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Maybe she'll make another offer to blow up Jon's car, and this time Kate will take her up on it.
"You know what? To Kate - I'm going to tell her when she gets here. If you've got timber wood, I've got matches because I will burn up the house and tear up a car for you, Kate. You don't have to say you did it. I'll leave my name - Sherri. I'll blow up Jon Gosselin's car."
Wow, I didn't see that tweet by Sandie. Good for her. And she's no Jon fan.
Kate will HAVE to inform the kids that they are going to be on The View, because she'll need to drill it into them as to what they will and will not be allowed to say or how to act. Those poor kids. "Now, remember kids, you miss the film crew and the traveling! Oh, and I'm the best mommy ever!"
Who wants to take bets they're all matchy-matchy? lol
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Does anyone know if she is bringing all the kids on the View, or just the twins?
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That's what I'm wondering The original tweeter said "the kids".
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She's on the view Monday?? This is really getting ridiculous...Enough already with these two idiots. Can't they keep their lives private? I'm just plain sick of both of them. Why is she dragging those poor kids on? Is there anyone who has the BALLS to step in and stop this madness. STOP GIVING THESE TWO AIR TIME!!
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I wouldn't equate the two as equal regarding their being on tv/giving interviews. Jon is currently on a reality TV show, Couples Therapy. I believe part of being on that show is to do interviews and help promote the show to bring up viewership numbers.
Kate was on Celebrity Wife Swap a long time ago. She has already done her "media tour" for the cookbook. So she's got nothing to promote and certainly no contractural obligations to fulfill. She is doing what she has always done, pimp out her kids in order to be on tv.
While I understand your feeling sick of both of them, I don't think it's fair to lump them into the same pot as if they are equally bad or equally using their kids for fame.
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What's the point of living closer to his kids if he's alienating them by giving stupid interviews?
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Ok, alienate was the wrong word. How about estranging himself or contradicting their interview? He directly contradicted them about them wanting to film. He shouldn't do that in PUBLIC on a trashy talk show. He's their father for goodness sake. They just publicly stated they want to film again. For him to contradict them ON TV is wrong. I'm sorry but it is.
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Seems to me like you're describing Kate as well don't you think?
I mean how many countless times has Kate said what the kids wanted-(filming & TV shows they want her to have a show) How many times has she trashed Jon and her own family members?
Dmasy, just keep plugging along. You'll get through it. Be well!
I've been in those shoes. We sold a house and couldn't close on the new one for two weeks. I had two kids in diapers and one in Kindergarten at the time. We lived in a hotel. Entertaining youngsters in one room is no picnic. We knew every inch of the local mall. I was climbing the walls of that hotel room, but at least we had beds. Half of our belongings were in storage, the other half on the moving trucks.
Looking back, I don't know how we made it through those two weeks, but we did. You will, too! I hope you're someplace warm!
Layla, our lives are sooo similar:)
But do you think that Jon should keep quiet, or speak out?
Jon doesn't have internet or cable tv, so I sure as heck hope someone he knows is aware of the kids' upcoming View appearance and lets him know. I'd love for him to be able to get it stopped.
And it looks like Stevie will be earning another paycheck out of the kids' money. So sad.
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@duffy1958 @Kateplusmy8 I guess I'm like Kate..I let my kids out of our compound this morning. Hope they do come back! LOL
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Milo identifies so much with TFW, that it's beyond creepy. Just the other day, she tweets referring to herself as "extended family" (! WTH?), and now mocks Jon by saying her home is as much a "compound" as TFW's home.
On The Big Bang Theory, it's funny when Amy Farrah-Fowler gushes over her "bestie," Penny. In real life, it's real creepy.
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"He is a nice normal guy that was lied to and abused by TFW, but that does not excuse his attempts to remain relevant publicly in the entertainment world."
What's wrong with Jon or Kate or anyone for that matter, exploring job opportunities in the entertainment industry as long as they don't exploit their kids
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Agree Carole. In previous blog posts, I have said that if Kate were to do any type of show without the kids, I would be fine with that. I'd probably even watch, just to count down for her first melt down. Sadly, no one wants Kate on her own, so I can't have that guilty pleasure. She pretty much blew her one good chance at developing a tv career of her own by being such a pill on DWTS.
Jon is doing CT with his girlfriend. The children are not filmed, and if he does discuss them, I bet it's in terms of how having children from a prior relationship can affect any new relationships. That's something many, many couples do deal with, so any helpful advice the therapist can offer on successfully integrating kids and a new relationship would be useful.
If Jon could earn a nice paycheck from CT (anyone have any guesses what a participant in this show might be paid?), it actually makes good fiscal sense for him to do so. After all, he does have 8 kids to support!
Holy Moly! It's an all out war now. The View on their schedule just says Kate but I would not be surprised she drags the twins along. For the love of God, will those crackling women ask any probing questions? Is this another coming out ploy to hawk the twins?
Holy Moly! It's an all out war now. The View on their schedule just says Kate but I would not be surprised she drags the twins along. For the love of God, will those crackling women ask any probing questions? Is this another coming out ploy to hawk the twins?
Well we all knew that Kate would put her mug back on TV some how after Jon did WW.
Ugh it's going to be the same old tired lines "we miss filming and tv and crew" "mommy is all some daddy isn't all some"-And Kate's umming and lies and Jon bashing.-(same old same old),
On The Big Bang Theory, it's funny when Amy Farrah-Fowler gushes over her "bestie," Penny. In real life, it's real creepy.
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"You know what? To Kate - I'm going to tell her when she gets here. If you've got timber wood, I've got matches because I will burn up the house and tear up a car for you, Kate. You don't have to say you did it. I'll leave my name - Sherri. I'll blow up Jon Gosselin's car."
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Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking of. Wonder if she can top it?
I don't think that Sandie and Milo are best buddies:
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@Kateplusmy8 Rumor has it that U will be on the @theviewtv ??? Sure hope so! It's a new year...new opportunities...new doors 2open! :)
Sandie @SandieBellz 1h
@MiloandJack Why don’t you give credit to Nora, she’s the one that tweeted it. @Kateplusmy8
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@SandieBellz @Kateplusmy8 Well...okay! LOL Sure didn't mean 2slight anyone! >> @NoraSaysNo saw info that U will be on the View Kate! :)
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Layla, our lives are sooo similar:)
But do you think that Jon should keep quiet, or speak out?
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That's a tough call. Sometimes when my MIl is really out of control, it's just best for me to step away. No tough words, no argument, just avoid her. I know she still talks about me behind my back, but I ignore her and don't give her any ammunition. In Jon's case, however, he is being bashed for the whole world to hear. How can he jsut sit by and let that happen? He needs to defend himself, but that just fuels Kate to try even harder to destroy him. The difference is, she has a platform to bash him in front of milllions. I think a normal person can only take so much. And even if he doesn't speak out, she never stops. In 30 years, if anyone will give her the time of day, she'll still be throwing Jon under the bus. It will never get old to her, even though others move on. Case in point: When my DH and I first married, I took a jacket that he had torn to a tailor to be repaired. I am not good at sewing. But now, 26 years later, my MIL still tells people, "She's can't even sew a button!" Not true--I can, in fact, sew a button, but she has to blow it up into something more dramatic, and she's perfectly happy to throw that in my face for the rest of her life. I gave up trying to correct her a long time ago. There's no point. Time to move on. But if she were doing it on TV? I don't think I could handle that for years and years to come. It doesn't seem like there's any right answer for Jon.
If it's war, then to be fair The View should invite Jon also (same day would be a coup but not likely). The more this plays out, the more we will see both of them on talk shows and tabloids. " War of The Roses" here we come! to those kids' minds. AND, this works to Robert's benefit because now a publisher may jump to print his book. Kate is such a freakin' idiot.
Ha, Sandie!
Following Sandie's tweets is almost as much fun as Milo only without the strong desire to tell her to shutupshutupshutupppp!!!!
"Milo identifies so much with TFW, that it's beyond creepy. Just the other day, she tweets referring to herself as "extended family" (! WTH?), and now mocks Jon by saying her home is as much a "compound" as TFW's home."
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Who in the name of all that's holy IS this person? Is it Kate? Is it Steve? Is it more than one person? Is it someone in the last stage of celebrity worship, and if so, is it dangerous? We know it's creepy, but is it really anything for Kate to worry about? Does anyone know?
"For the love of God, will those crackling women ask any probing questions?"
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Crackling or cackling? lol!
Well if the twins are on the View with TFW and say that they want another reality show I hope that someone asks them what they envision this show will be about and why anyone would want to watch it. Saying you want a show because you miss the crew and trips doesn't quite cut it becasue I don't care that you miss the trips that you took on TLC's dime. I missed taking my vacation in 2013 because I was furloughed and decided to use our trip money for other things. Life is tough sometimes. As far as the crew goes, the've moved on to other shows and you'd get a whole new crew. So, WTF does that have to do with anything? I hope that they don't come across as bratty (yes bratty) sounding as they did in the magazine article. This doesn't seem like a good idea to me because it's just going to open them up to more criticism.
My mother is very much like Kate, and was abusive in nearly every way. I wish someone had spoken out. I just turned 50 and gain more clarity as I get older and NOW people like my elderly aunts and uncles will say, "We felt so sorry for you when you were little, because you seemed so lonely and afraid. Sometimes we wanted to scoop you up and love on you." I want to say, "Well, why didn't you? You could have quietly let me know that you cared about me and knew something wasn't right." But they did the best they could and I would never hurt them that way. I don't know if Jon needs to be saying it in the media, but I believe he should be quietly letting his kids know that he is their soft place to fall, period. He doesn't have to bash their mother or anything, and to be fair, he was only answering interview questions yesterday. (The In Touch thing is different, IMO. It just gives Kate more ammunition.) Hopefully he is having private conversations and/or gestures with each of those kids, and I believe he probably is.
What if Kate's appearance on The View is to announce some project? Horrors. But why else would they have her on there, unless it's to talk about that People cover, which would be almost 2 weeks old by then?
The difference is, she has a platform to bash him in front of milllions. I think a normal person can only take so much. And even if he doesn't speak out, she never stops.
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I agree, his circumstances are unique. She continues and continues, never stopping. Much like your MIL bashing you allll these years later, they DON'T stop. tfw took this and will continue to take this to the public. If a man doesn't have his reputation, what does he have? Everything, EVERYTHING falls on it. From being a deadbeat, a bad father, a womanizer etc. etc. etc...he owes it to himself to pubically discredit what she's said about her, the kids, his parenting, his ethics, morals etc. I can so relate to how the "button" talk hurts and bothers you, and that's so small of an insult in the big scheme of things. Imagine what she's said about him affects him? Words hurt, no matter how petty and untrue they are. Bullies, they know what "buttons" to push, and they can size that up the minute they meet you.
Just emailed The View and let them know what I thought about Kate being on the show on Monday. I asked why they are beating a horse that's been dead for quite awhile! Told them I wouldn't be watching!!
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Perhaps the kids were supposed to be on the show with TFW, and Jon objected. He just said that he would fight against the kids being on TV again, and if he told TTFW he'd take her to court, or contacted The View and let them know that he would NOT allow the kids to be on...well, maybe the plan has changed. I hope so. There is no reason for TFW to take the kids along for this, unless it's to have them either bash Jon or beg for a new show (or both).
Dmasy, sorry all is dumped onto your shoulders. If you need comfort, then read Footprints in the Sand. Good luck, keep in touch with us face less ones:)
Will be 'therapy' and much brainwashing going on at the compound at boot camp this weekend. Wonder what the bribes will be this time. It will be nauseating to watch Sherry S. doing her best brown-nosing to tfw, will be gag-worthy to watch. Wonder if Whoopie will take a sick day, surprised if she does not.
One scenario for The View on Monday: Kate & 2-8 kids are ensconced on stage, the kids being kids and TFW happily Umming & Uhhhing her way thru the visit, and Whoopi says, "Guess what, kids, we have a surprise for you! Here's your dad!" Jon comes out, the kids go wild for their dad & what can TFW do but sit there, or storm out, making herself look like the horse's a$$ she is. One can dream...
Or, better yet, an intervention...Jon, Kevin & Jodi, Robert, Ashley, Jamie all on a panel to ask TFW the REAL hard questions.
What really burns me up is the only reason we know the names Mady and Cara is because they are the older sisters of the tups. That's the only reason they were on a reality show-NOT because they were interesting or had any talent! My kids would love to be on television too so they have studied their craft and have worked on their talents since they were young! There is no easy route! At least the Kardashians waited until the girls were adults- The Jenners- not so much- but the Jenner girls are absolutely gorgeous- even during their awkward years. I so hate this whole situation! Neither Khate nor "her" kids deserve to be rewarded with anything! They're not even likeable!
The View schedule on their site lists on Kate. Nothing about the kids, with Fantasia guest co-hosting.
I wonder if we can now start to expect G-kids appearances on tv every time there's a school holiday? These talk show producers really need to start having a conscience.
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Since when is a father, correcting his 13 year-olds, throwing them under the bus? Isn't that the job of a father? To correct immature, untrue beliefs? He has to nip this nonsense in the bud or things will be way worse down the line.
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He has every right to correct his children as he sees fit, but a national talk show is not the vehicle through which that should occur.
I agree 100% with I loathe this "woman" and "her" entire brand! @147. Kate is teaching those kids to expect everything to be handed to them with no work involved. Why go out and learn your craft if you can get a show handed to you becasue you are known for being the older siblings of sextuplets. Golden platter indeed!
Anonymous said... 74
Is anyone else watching The View? It just had a pop up saying Kate and the kids will be on Monday's show. I hope to god she's not dragging those girls out there to bash their father.
Beth
TLC stinks said... 130
Holy Moly! It's an all out war now. The View on their schedule just says Kate but I would not be surprised she drags the twins along. For the love of God, will those crackling women ask any probing questions? Is this another coming out ploy to hawk the twins?
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Why did the pop up say Kate and the kids? Did Jon put a halt to it already? I hope so.
If Kate appears with the twins on The View then it proves to me that she knows no bounds. However, if she shows up alone to promote and repeat the same old refrain then I think she should be asked the following:
Have you thought about meeting with Jon to put an end to the public airing of your differences for the sake of your children?
Jon has stated several times he feels it would be better if you communicated with him so you could better discuss the lives of your children, would you reconsider your position on this for your kids?
You have said many times that your kids miss the crew and the travelling TLC provided, is this why you want to expose them to
television again, aren't they all involved in school now?
The public wonders if your kids see your family, your parents, Kevin and Jodi for example, if not, do you think they thought of the crew as their family?
If Kate is on with the same old pitch, then so be it, but if she is there to stage a rebuttal toward Jon with her kids, then I blame both Kate and The View for allowing the worst kind of exploitation.
Hey, maybe Kate can get some good cooking tips from Sunny Anderson, so maybe Kate can learn to cook some edible food and not that crap she cooks. I heard Sunny, is a very good cook. I do hope the kids are not on. There is not reason for any of the kids to be on any Talk show, it's not their birthday or hopefully not another reality show.
The latest ROL story, people posting seem to be more for Kate again..it switches back and forth though.
So when does this stop? Another pity tour for TFW, and possibly with children in tow on a day off from school? If I were Jon Gosselin, I would be serving her papers to prevent her taking any of the children on a daytime talk show. Of course she will be inarticulate, and I certainly hope she's alone. There is no single good reason to be using the children, although it really would expose for the child abuser that she is. In what mind is this even a good idea.
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I don't know what to say... prayers to you. You sound so strong.
Whatever we can do, somehow, please say so.
Stay strong, and God bless.
From the other thread to but relevant to this one...
Greedy Gosselins said...(181)
"I only wish they would both stop this tit for tat. Jon should know this just stirs up more crap at home for his kids. Why is it so important that he show the world he's an 'ordinary' dad?"
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I'm wondering if he when he signed up for CT that he also agreed to do a certain amount of press, possibly in his contract?
I really don't know how it works but I'm pretty sure that Jon participating in CT and the coinciding magazine articles, ROL stories and daytime talk show visit aren't coincidences.
I'm still on the fence about him doing CT in the first place. If it's true that he's already bought a house closer to his kids with the money then that's major points for him.
In any case, he could very well be contracted to a certain amount of press. If that's the case then at least he's using it to his advantage.
He's honest and sincere, answering questions straight on and forthright and coming across as likeable. Yeah, an 'ordinary' dad. If that's what he is, he deserves the chance to show that.
It's hard to imagine what it was like to be unable, by court order, to refute lies being told about you in the press for two and half years.
Knowing that people were forming opinions about your character, your parenting and even your kids and not even being able to make a phone call to a media outlet and just say the stories you're printing are bullshit.
So while I agree that I'd rather not see anymore of either of them on t.v. for their kids' sake, if this drama is going to be played out in the court of public opinion anyway, I for one am just happy to see Jon score a few points.
I hope Mady and Cara are not with Kate, but if so, this might be one of life's lessons for them. Kate never fails to embarass herself on these shows so I can't imagine that 2 13-year old girls wouldn't be embarassed to see their Mother act like a fool up close and personal.
Tucker's Mom said...(157)
"Dmasy said... 36
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I don't know what to say... prayers to you. You sound so strong.
Whatever we can do, somehow, please say so.
Stay strong, and God bless."
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Dmasy, I second Tucker's sentiments. I had to go back and read your post. Wow, sounds like quite the ordeal.
I'm sure everything will turn out great when all is said and done. Keep warm, keep cheerful and most of all, keep us posted. :)
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4m
Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
Dmasy, best of luck to you and your DH. I hope that soon you'll be sitting watching a beautiful sunset together, enjoying a glass of wine and saying that it was all worth it.
As to TFW, I believe that all these recent appearances and covers indicate a run up to the 10th birthday of the tups. I think she is angling for a birthday special to show how they are now and what they are doing, etc. Of course all with a view to a new show. I think that she believes that if she can just get them out there and into public consciousness, that offers will come in.
Haven't read comments today, but I see she's supposed to be on the View Monday. Twitter speculation seems to be the twins will be w/ her. At least they aren't missing another school day. But I wonder if Jon will petition the court for an immediate hearing to half the kids being on, if they are scheduled to be. She has nothing new to be "interviewed" about.
He has every right to correct his children as he sees fit, but a national talk show is not the vehicle through which that should occur.
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He didn't "correct" his kids on television -- no admonishment was given. What he "corrected" was the perception of him that was put forth in the People article, a perception that was given by the twins, most likely sanctioned by Kate.
OMG she really is resorting to pimping out the twins full throttle. My god I never thought she would stoop so low. I can't believe it. Good luck girls. If you're going to put yourself out there as celebs then you're going to be treated by the public like celebs. There's no stopping that train no matter how wrong it may be. They will be fair game.
Those poor girls...they have no idea.
Okay, what? Kate on the View? With the twins, not with the twins?
Greedy, I'm sorry...I guess you were bang on with the "tit for tat".
Sheesh. The expression rubber meeting the road has been bandied about the last week or so...I think we are about to see that metaphor in action.
I sincerely hope the twins are not involved in the View appearance...that's all I can say.
Kate never fails to embarass herself on these shows so I can't imagine that 2 13-year old girls wouldn't be embarassed to see their Mother act like a fool up close and personal.
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Why would the girls be embarrassed if they act the same way? You learn what you live and you live what you learn. Kate is not a good role model.
Getofftwitter, Sunny Anderson has her own cooking show so yeah, you heard right, she's a good cook.
He is gaining a lot by moving closer. He can be more hands on, fighting the alienation. He can get the boys involved in scouts, or other events and actually be able to drive them to/from. When he lived 45 minutes away, he had to do ALL the driving. Go get them, back to his house, back to their house, back to his house. That's a lot of driving for the extra week night. This cuts on the excuse that the twins are too busy to see him during the week, they don't have to endure to extra hours in a car after being on a bus 2 hrs a day for school. He can keep them w/ him much longer at home vs transporting them in a car. I don't see any negatives to living closer. The locals already know and like him vs no one with anything nice to say about her.
kateplusmy8
Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
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I'm sick to my stomach. Whoever said the People arrticle and cover were just a precursor to even bigger exploitation of the twins was right.
@Kateplusmy8
Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
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Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4m
Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
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Ah crap! I can't keep up.
Those girls are being thrown to the wolves just so their mother can get her face back on t.v. and have the last word.
I just hope the tups are at least with Jon and not the not-a-nanny.
SMH
My gosh, this is beyond sad. She truly is a new Kris Jenner. The girls are lovely, but they have not done anything to warrant such attention nor scrutiny - and it will come. They haven't won an award, they haven't won a race, they haven't started a charity endeavor that helped someone, they haven't acted or sang, they were just born, like millions of other kids. Unfortunately, they were born to someone who is going to continue to thrust them into the limelight.
I take back what I said earlier. I'm glad Jon is speaking out in the media because at least it shows concern for what is happening and what he is apparently helpless to stop. Many others are finally seeing it the same way too. Why do these shows keep having her on, when they get hundreds and sometimes thousands of negative comments about each appearance she makes?
And no, I am not jellus.
I'm sick to my stomach. Whoever said the People arrticle and cover were just a precursor to even bigger exploitation of the twins was right.
@Kateplusmy8
Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
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The parading of the kids is not going to stop. She will keep this up until she lands some kind of an entertainment contract for them. There is nothing that anyone can do. She is out of control, and I think that this is just the beginning.
She wasn't kidding when she gave the finger to Jon with the dontsayIdidntwarnyou hash.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m
@Kateplusmy8 @TODAYshow WOW! Step aside Mom..here come ur 2teens talkin abt the "what's cool teenage scene"! No fear of cameras there! :)
Step aside? Fat chance of that. Obviously Milo doesn't know Kate as well as she thinks she does.
kateplusmy8
Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
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Yup, Kate is pimping them out angling for a show for them. They're barely teenagers and with the privileged, secluded life they lead I doubt that they'll be speaking for most of America. I guess what Jon wants doesn't matter in the least and he can't keep Kate from putting them on display. As someone said above, their only claim to fame is the fact that their sibs are sextuplets. Maybe this is the twins redemption tour for some of the things they said in the article. Well, they're fair game now.
This just validates Jon's statement that she's using the kids as her props.
She thinks these girls are going to be the next Kardashians. I hate to say this but these girls are cute but they just don't have the beauty factor that got the Kardashian girls where they are. Kate has now opened these girls up for all types of public ridicule that we all know is coming. Jon needs to RUN to family court.
AH SO. This totally explains why she has been quiet since her last tweet yesterday. They must already be all comfy in their hotel room in NYC. Wonder if she even shares a room with the girls. You know Steve is there too. I guess she decided to spring this at the last minute to surprise Jon. What a bitch! Glad I'll be flying tomorrow so I won't be tempted to peek. Unbelievable. She is absolutely despicable.
Former wife is an accurate description from Jon.
To me she is a PIMP.
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"There's no stopping that train no matter how wrong it may be. They will be fair game."
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Absolutely they will be fair game. Kate is putting them out there and she's too darn stupid to realize exactly what this is going to do to them. I just hope that she doesn't coach them. After all, this media blitz is to trash him, and I will be surprised if, even if they soft-pedal the interviews, that something isn't said that shouldn't be said.
My god, she's insane. I guess there's no limit to what greed and the desire for fame will cause a person to do, even at the expense of your own children.
Well, I hope by some off chance someone in the industry takes a chance on both or one of the girls, Jon makes sure they are protected from their greedy, pimping mother.
How sickening is it of the Today Show to allow the twin on tomorrow. Missing at least a day of school. While the younger kids are home - who is watching them-the free nanny. I hope someone is alerting Jon and he gets an immediate hearing w/ CPS.
What the hell? What's Cara and Mady's talent again?
That woman has finally gone over the edge.
So, TFWs into full 'pimp' mode now. *not surprised*.
Those girls, are going to face so much scrutiny and the reactions will not be good. Why in heaven's name can't she let those girls grow up outside of the limelight?
The girls have nothing to offer the public at large. They haven't put in the work that so many other child stars have. Even "M", by her own admission, has only been in ONE school play - and not a lead role - and that was two years ago.
I'm embarrassed that the Today Show is having them on. What is the point?
Well, I guess Kate isn't at the Paying For College presentation at school tonight! She'll have those kids in the entertainment industry, earning their own way through college, come hell or high water.
I hope they don't bash the tups. I do hope they are rude to TFW- serves her right. Maybe they could deny her water on set , too? Pinch her shoulder?
Those girls are really going to think they're something now. If you thought they seemed entitled before....
She must be spending a bundle on her PR people.
Six at an awkward age? No problem
Pimp out the twins.
Is this any coincidence that they are on the Today Show the day of Jon & Liz's first "official" appearance on CT?
I think not.
I think Kate is seething at Jon intimating to WW that she and Steve were a couple. There are certain things that trigger a rage in her beyond her normal. Yes, she was mad that he told WW that the kids don't really want to film, yes she's mad that he spilled the beans about that whole millionaire thing plus shes aggravated that he blew just about every facade she tries to create on the talk show circuit from stating that he's the one with the good intentions not wanting to film the divorce on TLC for the kid's sake to disputing the allegations the twins made that he had multiple girlfriends. But she's absolutely fuming at the dating Steve reference.
Pity the poor kids that may appear on The View on Monday and have to endure a weekend full of daddy-bashing coaching from Kate as a rehearsal.
Cue the theme to Jaws. She's back!
In a weird way it's kind on hysterical Kate keeps talking about the kids wanting to film and then Jon has to say actually I asked them and that's nonsense. Is there an offer on the table to film them? If not who the hell cares if the kids do or don't want to film? Sheesh, it's almost embarrassing to keep bringing this subject up without any offers out there.
Of the girls are supposed to be on the Today Show tomorrow, then they are already in NYC. The show puts them up in a hotel overnight so they can be up early for a coaching/production meeting.
If TFW and the girls are going to be on The View on Monday, then I would be willing to bet that TFW somehow finagled a hotel for the whole weekend. She'll take C&M shopping and to Ted Gibson, out to eat--basically their bribes for doing what Mommy wants them to do. She wants them to really want another show, so she will show them what celeb treatment is like. Nice hotels, restaurants, new clothes, people waiting on them hand and foot. After this trip, the girls WILL want another show, because they will want to be treated like that all the time.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4m
Cara & Mady are SO honored to be on @TODAYshow tomorrow morning, talking all stuff 'teenager' (while I'm thinking stop growing up SO fast!)
I am beyond disgusted. Hope their father is talking to his lawyer. Hey Kate, instead of tweeting about how they are growing up so fast, how about you stop pimping them out - you are an awful excuse for a mother.
Kate must be offering something. No way is the Today show having her on just for kicks. She has nothing to offer unless she is offering to have the kids talk about their dad and reality TV. She's got nothing else.
Marie
Cara and Mady are becoming little Fame Whores in-the-making. Great.
This sounds horrible, but i keep visualizing Cara with a sullen look on her face and Mady being annoyingly over dramatic. I wonder if they have gone thru some coaching? Hopefully?
Something I find interesting is that the girls are being 'presented' on a morning talk show instead of actually going to cattle calls and open and private auditions. If they had any kind of agent/manager they wouldn't be put on display saying "here I am, offer me a show", instead, they would be showing what they can do like every other professional does. Heck, even Jennifer Garner, Drew Barrymore, and others have to audition for what they want, and they have the chops and resume propping them up.
What do those girls have. Sure, they aren't ugly - that's good, but the only claim to fame they have is being the older sisters to a set of sextuplets. The only thing in the cards for them would be another reality show and those shows seem to be turning into either more of a joke and on some channels they are being phased out for the most part.
PA Dutch Mom said... 186
Well, I guess Kate isn't at the Paying For College presentation at school tonight! She'll have those kids in the entertainment industry, earning their own way through college, come hell or high water
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College? Who needs college when you can grift and sell your soul to the devil for a living?
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