Seventy-seven years ago this May, the 20th century's most famous multiples were born in Canada.
Fans lined up at windows to ogle at five identical girls.
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| Visitors to Quintland, circa 1930's |
The girls were put on display for the viewing public at set times.
Sixty years later, the surviving Dionne's were intricately a part of the making of a mini-series about their lives. The sisters initially opposed the project and insisted that this part of their life was a closed chapter and didn't affect them anymore. But then ....
"When we read the script, I found the story to be very sad," Annette said. "Then I realized that we actually lived it all. It was very painful."
The mini-series dramatizes the quick sacking of a nurse for "insubordination" after she questioned the exploitation of the girls.
Canada made amends to the Dionne quintuplets by paying them a hefty settlement. What amends will Alice Travel make for their hand in exploiting Mady and Cara?
From: Cindy Work <cindy@luxurycruisesandtours.
Date: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM
To: [omitted]
Hi [omitted],
I will be in the office tomorrow at 9:30 Eastern time to 2:30. Give me a call and I would be happy to help you. This ship is amazing and you will get to spend quality time with Kate and the girls. We are so excited for this cruise. 1-800-388-7245.
Cindy Cardella
VP/ Sales Luxury Cruises & Tours
A Division of Alice Travel
277 Fairfield Rd, Suite 218
Fairfield, NJ 07004
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 381 Newer› Newest»Someone had an excellent point in the other thread that I just don't think can be emphasized enough. No background checks for the fans? No screening?
ANYONE could go on the cruise who can come up with the money. Think pedophiles can't have money and afford this? Anyone could pay money to have direct access to the girls. It's disgusting.
Off topic for Aeduko: Saw this article and recalled what you said on last thread about FB. Does this sound familiar?
http://news.yahoo.com/facebook-friend-offer-exposes-mans-other-wife-154228101.html
Kate said at one time she felt she was sharing her kids with all the people. That to her it felt like people were welcoming them into their living room every Monday night. That it gave people an opportunity to peek in through their windows. Almost fairly sure Kate said she herself would want to do the same thing, want to know how someone raised such a large family.
To her I think it makes perfect sense in some twisted comforting sort of way. To the average person it makes you step back and go, "Huh?"
I don't think Kate sees a problem with letting people love or like her kids which sends up so many red flags its ridiculous. It has to be. Makes me wonder if Kate was brought up to think that it's okay in some way, I find it disturbing that she doesn't seem to stop and think there is anything wrong with a person's personal boundaries.
Her lack of personal boundaries is just, well, it just doesn't sit right with the adult aspect of putting limits on thins where there need to be limits. As you grow up you learn, okay, this doesn't need to be out there for the world to see or maybe this should only be kept within family or something like that.
Cruise could be canceled. Cindy Cardella could lose her job. Alice Travel faces serious damage control. Jon has additional ammunition to present to a judge. Fans are exposed for extreme behavior. Non-fans are inappropriately attacked.
Kate breathes and damage is done. This is truly astonishing.
I inquired about the fan going on the cruise and she stated that she spoke to this sweet old lady and I need not worry. Another email later she said she "confirmed" that I was not who I said I was.
Mel 1000 from the previous thread: IMO she abandoned the marriage, at least emotionally, long before Jon did. So stop acting like the wife who was cheated on. She cheated first.
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Mel, sex or no sex (who knows). I agree that Kate abandoned the marriage.
"Cruise could be canceled. Cindy Cardella could lose her job. Alice Travel faces serious damage control. Jon has additional ammunition to present to a judge. Fans are exposed for extreme behavior. Non-fans are inappropriately attacked."
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Cindy - define QUALITY. Exactly what does that mean to you? This is scary. It is nothing short of putting these kids on display as part of a freak show. What if they don't get to spend quality time? If they just get to say hello in passing? Breach of promise?
Dmasy: I was going to comment about Jon's part in all of this. I certainly hope that he's keeping record of everything that has gone down and he goes to court armed with all of it. This needs to end now. Isn't there anything he can do to stop Kate from using these kids, stop her from tweeting about them, stop her from posting pictures? Admin?
I don't know all of the sheeple players in this, but is Cindy aware that one or more head sheeple and a few of her cohorts tracked down the employment of a non-fan and tweeted this person's boss to have her fired? Is this the "sweet old lady" of which she wrote?
If the cruise does fail what will Kate's next move.?
I mean she's gone a little nuts on twitter how will she respond to her twit-fans if they fail to buy tickets.?
This is sick. What adult in their right might mind would pay money to spend time with a child?
Answer: No one in their RIGHT MIND KATE!
You already know first hand how creepy and obsessive your fans are. Now you are eagerly offering up your children to them, and for what? A few grand?
I just have to ask - what kind of people pay to spend time with children? People that should be kept away from children in the first place! You need help Kate.
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This is sick. What adult in their right might mind would pay money to spend time with a child?
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There are people sadly child molesters or people that like to hurt innocent children.
The exploitation of the Dionne quints was a sad chapter in Canadian history. They were denied their rights to childhood by people who profited by the unfortunate attention they received.
One would think that in the almost 78 years since their birth in 1934, and having learned from the Dionne sisters themselves how their young lives were affected by the exploitation, parents of multiples would be reluctant to allow this kind of tragedy to continue with their own children.
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You already know first hand how creepy and obsessive your fans are. Now you are eagerly offering up your children to them, and for what? A few grand?
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And a 3D T.V. Don't forget that 3D T.V. If she exploits them enough she may even amass enough money to buy all the kids the 3D glasses so they won't have to share anymore!
I can't believe her comment earlier today about how she wouldn't be able to provide this lifestyle to them as a nurse. What lifestyle?
Hey Kate you just sound like Dr. Dafoe who went down as a national embarrassment in Canada.
From the film posted above:
Dr. Dafoe: You think they should be sent home to that hovel? Deprived of any cultural experiences?
Nurse: I was raised in a poor family, doctor. We never had enough of anything but all my memories are happy.
Sounds like what we've been saying for years.
Wow. This is all more twisted than I thought. Let me see if I have this straight: a travel agent is emailing people inquiring about the trip and ASSURING THEM that they will, for the MONEY THEY PAY, be able to spend QUALITY TIME with two 11 year old girls.
Do I have that right?
Because I need to go throw up.
chefsummer: Hopefully, she'll STOP. Make her Twitter private, stop posting pix of her kids, and just go about her business. If she still wants to try to look for "media" work or write a book, fine. I don't think she'll be successful, but as long as her kids don't get pulled into it, then more power to her.
Seasoned Cruiser, did Cindy say how she had "confirmed" that you were not who you said you were? What does that even mean? If you have anything on paper from her to this effect, I would take it right to the person in charge at that agency. It suggests there is some sort of "vetting" going on that is out of the norm--is there such a thing as "Kate profiling"? Do travel agencies run criminal or other checks on people in the normal course of business? I always thought they just ran the credit card, and if it's good, then hey, welcome aboard!
There are people sadly child molesters or people that like to hurt innocent children.
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And pedophiles in general. I think there are many people out there who like to ogle at children who are able to control their impulses and just look. Like someone who is fascinated with robberies or other crimes (and a get off on it sense, not in a general interest in crimes for the value of understanding society, etc., sense) but doesn't act on them. At least the child is not molested but it's sick and creepy nonetheless and they shouldn't be allowed access to children.
And, even if the intentions are non-sexual in nature, it's still creepy to take such an incredible interest like a favorite aunt would in the random children of some reality T.V. star.
That said though I really don't believe they care that much about the kids, the fans that are let. They pretend to have interest in the kids as a rogue to suck up to Kate.
The bottom line is, the kids should not be working nor should the fans be given access to them.
Brought over from previous thread:
Mel & Ex-nurse: I also believe that TLC, pumped Kate full of promises of fame & fortune. Something to the effect: Kate, we can make you a star, we can get you on other TV shows, we can get you anything you want, just get Jon to sign on, and if he don't, GET RID OF HIM. We will play the pity roll, the poor divorce mom of 8 roll, people will flock to your side, we will beat Jon to the ground, and if he strikes back, we have the funds to shut him down. And that is exactly what TLC did. But, what TLC fail to do, was built Kates good girl image, what they did was let her do what she wanted, and not check her, (made a monster), that is why purseboy was hired. I also think Kate made up stuff about her and purseboy to make Jon jealous, so he would go her way. Kate did blow every chance, that was given her. Kate could have ended up as Americas sweet heart mom with a cheating husband and people would have flocked to her defense. But Kate being a total asshole, wanted things and people to do it her way, her weird idea of what famous people live & do. A clothing line, a cookbook, a runner manual, raising kids, doing stuff with kids, managing a house, etc. Not for fame chasing Kate. All dumped in her lap, and Kate brushed them away, they were not good enough. Nothing will ever be for Kate.
I see Kate is quiet tonight. Course now that I said that, she will be on.
As for the Dionne quints, the Canadian government at that time made a freak show, of those girls. Kate was and still is making her kids a freak show. That whole business of not wanting to take them to the movies, is BS. All Kate has to do is not dress them alike and most people would not even recognize them and that includes Kate not dressing like a hooker. Kate will never admit it but she loves the attention, she gets off on it.
Because I need to go throw up.
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I just did. You know, you couldn't make this stuff up. Three hundred and some years after the Salem Witch Trials, we know better. Seventy five years after the the Dionne exploitation, we know better. How long is it going to be after the Gosselin mess will the public realize that no child should be put on display because their mother is too lazy to work?
I don't know when I've been this upset about anything Gosselin. I may need to take a break. Wake me when if there's any good news.
More facts about the Dionne's.
You mostly hear about how the government exploited them. But their father signed a contract to display them at the World's Fair in Chicago. (Cruise ships of the 1930's??) The government made him withdraw it claiming exploitation, but it turned out the government just wanted to be the ones doing the exploiting (sound familiar? No one makes money off my kids but me!). Their father spent all day negotiating the contract with the babies in the next room barely hanging onto their lives and stood to get a 23% cut.
The sisters later said their father molested them.
Moose, most people think this is wrong, fortunately.
Unfortunately, one of these people left who thinks this is right happens to be one of their own parents.
Re: the next showing of the Dionne quints. Don't give Kate ideas! Sad to say, but I think she'd sign her kids up for multiple public viewings a day as long as she could make money from it. She'd justify it numerous ways: they need the $, the kids are safe behind the two-way mirrors, they can't go back, etc. Thankfulky Jon would put the kibosh on any such nonsense
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 12
What lifestyle?
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I was wondering the same thing I think she means these things.
1.Money.
2.Trips.
2.Boob Job-(Allegedly).
3.fake Hair Fake Tan.
4.Nice Audi big house.
5. Twitter follower that love ever word she say's.
Moose, most people think this is wrong, fortunately.
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Yes, fortunately. But it continues. Even if most people recognize that it's wrong, it's not helping these kids. I think what is so darn frustrating, though, is that it continues and the kids have no voice. This travel agent has hopped on the kid-selling bandwagon and has no problem with it. Money in exchange for QUALITY time? Holy geez. Isn't this pimping? I just wish there were some way Jon could put an end to it.
I too emailed Cindy regarding my concerns about a certain fan. I actually emailed Kate, with a cc to Cindy, but Cindy was the one who answered.
Cindy also told me this fan is a "sweet old lady". This fan is younger than me-so I don't know what Cindy was trying to imply. Is "sweet old lady" supposed to conjure up thoughts of a wonderful grandma who can do no harm? Sorry, but I have my doubts.
I've read this fan's tweets. She is not at all sweet, and if being 50 is old, then I must be ancient! Seems to me that Cindy doesn't care who goes on this cruise-her job is to get bookings and not worry about anything else.
I think it's the lifestyle that they've all become accustomed to. As when I watched the Hollywood Story on Kate, Paul said, "That just about everything in Gosselin world is paid for by someone else."
That the money and getting freebies purely for being on TV all went to Kate's head.
That she wants the kids to always think they are extra special and deserve everything. In reality I think she feels entitled to the things she didn't have has a kid growing up.
Maybe she saw kids throughout school who had more money than she did, better clothes, going on vacations and maybe deep down it bothered her. "Why can't I have that, too? I'm just as good as they are...if not better!"
Her lifestyle has been made easy by TLC and she doesn't feel the need to have to work purely because she had multiples. It's a cop out because she is unable or unwilling to go back and work and say, "See, I can support my kids on my paycheck." If she really did this, people would maybe thing she's just as ordinary as the mom who lives down the street from you.
She wants the attention, sure, she wants the kids to realize that SHE is the one who is famous, the kids are just bonuses. She wants her kids to be grateful for the hand outs of strangers and to be thankful they have good on their table every nigh because without being famous, without being on TV, without letting someone else pay for almost everything they would be destitute and living in shelter or back in their 3 bedroom house where they originally started out.
I think it irks Kate to no end that Jon has a job and she doesn't. Because it proves her theory that they can't go back to being regular people who pay their own way because life would just be too hard on her. Shock, as in because she'd have to learn to live within regular means and deal with the fact that having multiples doesn't necessarily make you special anymore. Anyone or just about can get infertility treatments if they can afford them, anyone can keep going until they get a large number of follicles and say this is what they want.
I never heard of anyone who does this, have they stopped and actually thought of the fact if they end up with this many kids, will they be able to support them within the means they have now? IF not...maybe it's wise to wait a while until either you can or just be happy with the amount of kids you already have.
By lifestyle, she means HER lifestyle. She couldn't give a shit about theirs.
Ug. This is just too disgusting to think about right now. I'm off to read a book and hopefully get this out of my head.
Thank God for a new post...I was starting to feel like a pawn in a sheeple game of checkers (would normally have said chess, but, you know....sheeple)
Cindy also told me this fan is a "sweet old lady". This fan is younger than me-so I don't know what Cindy was trying to imply. Is "sweet old lady" supposed to conjure up thoughts of a wonderful grandma who can do no harm? Sorry, but I have my doubts.
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Hold on. Let's not start rumours here. If you got an e-mail like you said above, please post it in a believable format. It's pretty easy to just throw something out there.
We're all mature adults, right?
Enough pressure to let the kids enjoy the cruise without having to WORK and be ogled by fans and maybe they will back away from this stupid idea.
It's times like this when we have the opportunity to maybe make a difference. They don't come along that often.
Cindy also told me this fan is a "sweet old lady". This fan is younger than me-so I don't know what Cindy was trying to imply. Is "sweet old lady" supposed to conjure up thoughts of a wonderful grandma who can do no harm? Sorry, but I have my doubts.
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You are about the fourth person who independently either said this here or emailed me about it. Sounds like she is sending the same email to everyone. If anyone can forward it to me that would be great.
How the heck does Cindi know who this CJ person is? How does she know she's not a skeevy child molester and not a sweet old lady? I cannot imagine on what planet your boss would be okay with you soliciting a fan to screen other people to make sure they are fans. That's craziness. Total and utter craziness, Cindy.
See I think this whole thing is so out of control that an educated bright person like Cindy is making irrational decisions about how to handle it.
Cindy, I will make it simple for you. Don't make the twins work on the cruise. It's as simple as that.
Question for Kate.
Please explain in 500 words or more how what you are doing to the twins on this cruise differs from what was done to the Dionne's. You have 30 minutes. Go. You can tweet it line by line if you want.
Cindy has a job to do. She is Kate's agent promoting the cruise. Her big mistake was dragging the girls into this. With every tweet, with every e-mail, she is digging herself into a deeper hole. She doesn't know when to quit. I sense that she is wet behind the ears and doesn't know what to make of this. She lacks the expertise to know how to deal with it. This needs to be handled by a higher-up who knows how to do damage control...if there is such a person at that agency.
Kate-(Since we all know you read here).
You can't take the kids to the movies in your small town as it will induce panic amongst the public, but you can parade the twins around a 4000 passenger cruise ship and FORCE them to play nice with all the nutjobs.
Kate,you are a worthless piece of shit. But you already know that by now, right? Thought so....
Kate has no job but her fans worship her for her hard work.
Kate displays no maternal instincts but her fans compliment her mothering.
Kate blogs on a coupon blog but displays no sign of couponing in her actual life. (Do they make coupons for organic milk?)
Kate complains about how much things cost for the kids but then brags about her expensive ear buds, 3D(w/o enough glasses for the kids that earned the money!) while tweeting from her leather couch.
Kate bashes her ex whenever she has a forum but her fan will DENY that she ever did that, even with the proof on film and in print.
I have solved this case. Kate fans are blind, hearing impaired, don't have cable, and can't access the internet. Nothing else makes sense.
Kate-(Since we all know you read here).
You can't take the kids to the movies in your small town as it will induce panic amongst the public, but you can parade the twins around a 4000 passenger cruise ship and FORCE them to play nice with all the nutjobs.
Kate,you are a worthless piece of shit. But you already know that by now, right? Thought so....
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Great point! Kate you are a worthless POS and a hypocritical one too. If any place will be panic it will be with her obsessed fans who are finally given access to her and the kids. But oh that's just fine and dandy. Why cause you're getting paid?
If someone paid her to take the kids to the movies she would be there in the time it takes to manicure one little pinky finger on her left hand.
Here's Cindy's email:
Hi,
The fan that you are talking about is CJ. I just got off the phone with her and she is a sweet old lady. Not a threat at all. Kate’s haters are making her out to be a threat. I can assure you that everyone I have booked LOVES Kate and really just wants to hang with her. I am in the office today so give me a call 800-388-SAIL. We are very excited for this cruise and think we are going to have a fabulous time.
Cindy
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Ok just wondering if u r who u say u r. Just confirmed.
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Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
Cindy WTF!!! What is wrong with you? You talk to a fan on the phone for a few minutes and have cleared her? Sheesh even Jodi Foster talked to her stalker on the phone.
I would like some clarification. This travel agent forwarded a private email to a Kate fan and didn't redact the email address? Even if she redacted the address forwarding the email was, at best, unprofessional and unethical. I would appreciate an answer to my post.
Sorry, Admin, we cross posted but I'm still not clear if CJ has Seasoned Cruiser's email address.
By the way the non-fan who emailed her back kicked her butt with specific examples of exactly what CJ has done on Twitter.
And Cindy blew her off.
How the hell does Cindy know " I can assure you that everyone I have booked LOVES Kate and really just wants to hang with her." Talk about naive! Has she read our post on
Jon Lennon, Selena, Rebecca Schaefer all kiled by fans. All of them had fan-like interactions with these so called fans on the day of their death. John Lennon signed an autograph, Rebecca Schaefer talked to her fan on her doorstep, and Selena was having a business meeting with her killer and even drove her killer to the hospital THE SAME DAY because her fan said she had been raped.
Cindy please wake up. We're not just talking about Kate, we're talking about two 11 year old kids.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2011/12/im-not-going-to-be-ignored-when-fans.html
Hope Cindy's alleged history has nothing to do with the matter at hand, please do not post that.
I don't know for a fact that she gave her my email addy or possib--------ly just my first name.
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She sent this after she talked to CJ.
I don't think we know how the travel agent 'confirmed' seasoned cruisers identity. The context of the exchange (with her mentioning that she had talked to CJ via phone, therefore they are in touch) implies that CJ might be a part of the 'verification" here.
My question is this: Why would ANY professional that is working in a customer service/sales position even GO there? If you suspect a customer is full of it, then just move on and focus on other things. No TRAINED professional would respond in that manner.
Actually, on the flip side, Cindy has no business talking to us about CJ!
She shouldn't be talking about us to CJ and she shouldn't be talking to CJ about us.
Who knows what she said to CJ about us but we DO know that she talked about CJ to us.
You don't talk about your clients with other clients without permission. You don't share anything about them, not even a nickname. Period.
It's Over, exactly. Regardless what happened outside those emails, those emails alone are so unprofessional.
Not a threat at all. Kate’s haters are making her out to be a threat. I can assure you that everyone I have booked LOVES Kate and really just wants to hang with her
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Oh, good gawd. Now Cindy is a private detective whose expertise is vetting. She has checked everyone she has booked (how?) and takes their word for it that they are a fan? This would be hysterically funny if it weren't true. Or...has she forwarded ALL e-mails to CJ who, with her background in sleuthology, knows every fan from a non-fan? This certainly sounds like she has been in contact with CJ or some sheeple to verify a fan's identity.
Could it be that there really isn't so much work involved in this, that less than a dozen people have signed up, and CJ knows every one of them?
"hang with her?" Real professional language there, Cindy!
I would take this to the powers-that-be so fast that their heads would spin (watching the Exorcist - sorry)...
NCCheerMom @mom_nc · Open
@Kateplusmy8 do you ever get to, or want to, watch any cooking shows? And if so, which ones are your favorites?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Close
@mom_nc giada! Love her!
Kate's really slipping revealing how much T.V. she really watches. I think she tweets, watches T.V., and lives her imaginary life with Steve.
And I can't believe she likes Little Big Head. Damn it. That's practically the only show left I will watch on Food Network.
It just occurred to me that Cindy could be working with a couple of the mods at IW. They have been tracking and saving comments for years. They know who is who in blog land and brag about it. They have a record of IP's and they have access to some extreme trackers.
One of the top mods once said that if you showed her a screen name, she'd tell you what street the person lived on.
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By lifestyle, she means HER lifestyle. She couldn't give a shit about theirs.
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Exactly! What is the children's lifestyle? Getting up at 5:30 and getting home at 4? Going to sleep at 7:30... what kind of life is that? Having no down time at all, while your mother sits on her ass all day spending the money you earned. Not even getting to go out for dinner or going out to a frigging movie because of some sort of lack of money? What a dolt! She goes on and on about how wonderful their lifestyle is, yet she claims they don't have money for anything. I hate this bitch more and more every day.
Exactly! What is the children's lifestyle? Getting up at 5:30 and getting home at 4? Going to sleep at 7:30... what kind of life is that? Having no down time at all, while your mother sits on her ass all day spending the money you earned. Not even getting to go out for dinner or going out to a frigging movie because of some sort of lack of money? What a dolt! She goes on and on about how wonderful their lifestyle is, yet she claims they don't have money for anything. I hate this bitch more and more every day.
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And drawing lots just to be able to wear 3D glasses which Mom didn't buy enough of and see the movie.
Seems the least the kids could be given for sacrificing their childhoods and privacy is one little 3D movie. But they can't even all get that.
I also believe that TLC, pumped Kate full of promises of fame & fortune. Something to the effect: Kate, we can make you a star, we can get you on other TV shows, we can get you anything you want, just get Jon to sign on, and if he don't, GET RID OF HIM. We will play the pity roll, the poor divorce mom of 8 roll, people will flock to your side, we will beat Jon to the ground, and if he strikes back, we have the funds to shut him down.
I think this is yet another component in their story. Jon and the marriage didn't stand a chance once Kate aligned with TLC instead of him. Like I said, Kate abandoned the marriage long before Jon did.
TLC should be ashamed of the part they played in the destruction of this family. And Steve, too, for his part in destroying a family for innocent little kids.
Watch the seasons of the show and the truth reveals itself.
Jon and Kate started as equals. Imperfect, but complementing each other very well. She was high-strung but he calmed her down. They worked well together.
As the show goes on, Kate gets BIGGER- her ego and her attitude. As she gets bigger, Jon withdraws and starts to mumble. At some point, his voice became irrelevant to Kate. Even his right to BREATHE is a problem for her.
In their last season together Kate can barely look at Jon with scowling and she freaks out on him so much that TLC can't find anything to show that doesn't involve them fighting. The realest reality show- right Kate? Kate has no respect for Jon. He's put on some weight and is clearly very unhappy.
It's clear to me that TLC learned to speak to Kate's ego for their own benefit. They built her into a monster by feeding, grooming, and magnifying her desire to FAME, BEAUTY, WEALTH and POWER. Jon was left in the dust when he failed to fall in step as the adoring husband who was happy to stay home with the kids while Mommy jetsetted with her boyfriend....I mean body guard. (TLC could have EASILY replaced Steve with a competent WOMAN if this marriage was their concern.)
TLC assisted, promoted, and capitalized in the break up of this marriage.
I don't understand how this travel agency could get away with this. Does the agency or cruise line have separate contracts for the twins, since they are advertising their participation as entertainment or an attraction for this cruise? The girls will be working. Will they be compensated if they go on this cruise? And the agent is now giving out personal emails. This all seems so unethical.
There is a lot of disturbing information out there about everything that went on with the Dionne's that will shock you. Every time I do a post about them I find something new.
Here is the latest I've been reading. A famous psychologist from Vienna named Dr. Alfred Alder was brought over to "study" the Quints. Specifically they did provide a unique opportunity to study birth order and how personalities develop when you all have the same birth order. The quints had a very distinct social hierchay with one quint being the alpha and the others in descending order. That's fascinating enough but not worth ogling them to figure it out....but I digress.
Anyway, Alder was supposed to be studying them and ended up becoming what amounts to a 1930's style "hater." Or AKO!
He came out of the experience saying:
"Life in a glass house is not conducive to normal human happiness."
He advocated to "separate the children." He didn't mean from each other, but rather to treat them as individuals.
He also said: "The quintuplets live like inmates in a model orphanage, and a certain emotional starvation is inseparable from institutional life. There is danger ahead."
He was one of their biggest advocates when their parents were fighting to get them away from the Quintland zoo. He got a lot of 1930's sheeple to become advocates of stopping the circus. They succeeded when the quints were nine. Even back then people weren't just blindly going along with the exploitation of children. There were also a lot of courageous attorneys and advocates who helped the parents pro bono.
Fascinating story with so many lessons to learn.
Would the kids need working papers? I'm serious. Would they?
I'm not following....where does it say that private e-mails were exchanged in that supposed 'e-mail' above? Could this just be a fake/phoney thing an enemy of this CJ's made up? Can this actually be verified in its authenticity? I mean, we've seen the length to which both sides go to. I'm just not 100% ocnvinced anything was done wrong here. Please explain.
Slow on the uptake, why don't you call Cindi up yourself if you don't believe she sent those emails?
I have gotten three separate emails from three long-term posters here all forwarding me their emails from Cindy and she all tells them varying degrees of exactly what I posted above. This was all before I posted.
It would be a heck of a lot of work to fake that. And how would three different people be able to come up with three very similar emails, complete with the same signature line? Of course it's possible but I don't buy it from three people who have never shit stirred here ever before.
It's real. Call Cindy if you think it's not. She even included her number, and office hours.
Wouldn't this statement fall under the purview of things Jon could go to a judge with? Taking your kids on a business trip is one thing, my parents did it, but this is so far beyond that. If Mady and Cara are no longer under the TLC contract, does the Australia trip verdict still cover the cruise?
Contracts, child labor laws, please. International waters, baby!
Jon already explained via my source that the judge said this vacation was okay but that Kate couldn't stop Jon if he wanted to take the kids on vacation.
Kate could downplay this, oh your honor it will just be a few hand shakes nothing to be concerned about, and there aren't that many judges who would say no. At that point they won't have been filmed for a year.
I'm glad to hear that Jon took it to a judge. I wonder if it's the same judge that refused to stop the filming despite the objections of the FATHER? My guess is YES.
Ok, the e-mails are verified. Thank you. Did this Cindy actually share private e-mails with other possible cruisers?
Or is it just the obvious fact Cindy shouldn't have mentioned thic CJ's name to anyone else?
Just want to make sure my vitriol is at the level it needs to be!;) Talking about other clients to potential clients is pretty bad in itself but if she shared private e-mail addresses to strangers, well I just may have to report her.
How the hell does Cindy know " I can assure you that everyone I have booked LOVES Kate and really just wants to hang with her." Talk about naive! Has she read our post on
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Devil's Advocate here, are the fans of every other cruising celeb vetted before being allowed to come aboard?
As the cruise stars in US territory does that mean that anyone on the sexual predators register is not allowed on, as it would put them within 500 yards, or whatever the distance, of children. As there will be children on this cruise, and have been on many before, I would guess that the liners already have procedures and policies?
No I don't think we can prove that Cindy shared emails unless someone has more info about it. It was an assumption she is using CJ to clear people since she can't seem to stop talking about her and defending her. Might as well just ask her, exactly what did you say about so and so to CJ?
We do know she is talking about clients with each other. Which in and of itself is outrageous.
Devil's Advocate here, are the fans of every other cruising celeb vetted before being allowed to come aboard?
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I doubt it, but those fans are making their CHILDREN work on the cruise.
Also, I don't think any reps are going around proclaiming that all the fans are safe. That is a ridiculous thing to say. You don't know that. I'm sure all celebs on cruises have a healthy sense of you're taking a gamble you're not going to get someone crazy and wouldn't insist there is nothing dangerous whatsoever about engaging with fans.
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I would guess that the liners already have procedures and policies?
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Heh. The don't seem to follow them judging by the news lately.
THis is an anonymous post from a group of sex offenders who want travel rights:
“I’ve been to the Caribbean a couple of times. I applied for and received a passport at the end of 2008. I am a registered sex offender in the state of Ohio. My family and I went on a cruise in January of 2009. I was asked to report to customs after disembarking in Miami at the end of the cruise. I asked the agent if I was stopped because of my offense and said “yes”. I asked him if I would be stopped every time I left the country and he said most likely I would. It delayed us by about an hour and almost missed the last bus to the airport. We went again this year but traveled through Port Canaveral and wasn’t stopped at all. I been out of prison since October of 2004 and had no problems getting a passport. Maybe I got mine before they started cracking down. The first trip was to the Turks & Caicos and the second was to the Bahamas. Anyway, that’s my travel story. Hopefully it’s helpful.” - KB
Here's another:
RSO in Florida for 1992 offense, got a passport in 2005:
I took a western Caribbean cruise with family (parents, wife, brothers family and sisters family) out of Port Canaveral (Fort Lauderdale) after Christmas 2010. I did not need visa, just passport.
We anticipated a problem boarding but the cruise line scanned my passport at entry and had no problem.
The cruise made one day stops in various countries (Honduras, Belize, etc). No passport was needed to exit the ship, just a picture ID and room card was needed to get back on the ship. They scan the room cards as you enter or leave the ship so they know who is on/missing.
I had no problems throughout the trip until I arrived back in my “mother” land. As I exited the ship and scanned my card a red mark appeared on the computer screen and a siren went off. An agent was already waiting for it and told me I had to go to customs for a “random check”. She repeated over and over that this was just random. Parents and wife went with me and we got our luggage and went to customs. Only I was being questioned, they told my relatives they could leave, but they sat down in chairs. They did not make them leave. They searched through only my luggage (not wife’s) and my backpack. We had purchased about 200 bucks worth of duty free booze and that was all I had. I did have a Netbook in my backpack which the agent looked at and said to another agent, “I may want to do something with this”. They then preceded to ask:
Have you ever been fingerprinted? What were you arrested for? How long were you in prison?
What was the age of your victim?
Finally they could see my mom (who’s in her 70′s) was getting impatient. So they packed everything up and let me leave.
Thank you for clearing that up. I agree that it is horrendous to be sharing passenger info among other passengers. I'd be HORRIFIED if I had planned to attend this cruise.
I'd love for this Cindy to get her just dues but am I the only one who is a little afraid of even getting involved here? I guess I'm not a brave whistleblower. Hopefully, someone else here is. Thank you in advance.
I find it hard to believe anyone can now take this Cindy gal seriously. She pretty much shot herself in the foot.
Wonder if that 'quality time' with the kids is a waterslide/swim activity. You know, where the girls would be in bathing suits? I shudder at the thought.
If Kate is unaware of what Cindy has been up to, she deserves to be permanently revoked her 'motherhood' title. She's not even human.
I'm wondering if a letter to Paul Peterson might bring some help for those kids. I'm sure he'd be right pissed if he knew the selling point for a Kate Gosselin cruise is 'quality time' with her children.
Also, Admin, do you know any lawyers who would be interested in taking up this cause for the G8?? You must have networked with someone?? fingerscrossed
As I recall, the identical quints were never able to bond with anybody but each other. They resented their caretakers, nurses, doctor, mother, father, siblings...everybody. Their siblings didn't like them either because they got so much attention, made money, and were so close and protective of each other. There could be some of that going on with publicized multiples with a single or twins in the mix.
Hi everyone, I got on to say that I just watched Sunset Boulevard on a very long transAtlantic flight, and holy cow, you all weren't kidding. So many things she said and did in the movie were things we have watched or heard Kate say or do, even if in parallel. For instance, when joes car was literally being repossessed and he was begging for help, but then she came out after it was over and said 'where is the fire' and 'oh well' reminded me of the impacted bowel episode. Anyway, I just have a minute, am going to enjoy the he'll out of munich now....have a great weekend!
In the April edition of Runner's World:
"On the weekend of October 19-21, we will kick off the first Runner's World Half-Marathon & Running Festival in our own backyard in Bethlehem, PA. There will be live seminars, live music, as well as a 5-K, 10-K, and kids's race."
This sounds like something fun for Kate and the kids to do together and not have to travel far to do it.
It would also be a nice thank you from Kate to Runner's World for sullying their reputation by featuring Kate on the last page.
How about it Kate? Up to sort of giving back?
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@Kateplusmy8 do you ever get to, or want to, watch any cooking shows? And if so, which ones are your favorites?
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Of course she watch the food network how else will she write her new cookbook.?
She has to get idea from some where.
Why doesn't someone just call Cindy and ask her about all of this? She has given her phone number and said to call if any questions. Take her up on it.
Admin and others: I really don't understand what the concern is about CJ, but contacting Cindy would be useless, IMO. She has to drum up buyers for the cruise and is not about to tell someone they cannot go based upon conjecture.
So, if you have a legitimate concern and proof about a fan, I think the person to contact is Jon. Only he has the power to protect the girls because obviously Kate only cares about exposing them to whatever. I have always agreed with those who say the ones to be afraid of are the fans, not the haters. Too much tragedy.
I think someone should contact Cindy and call her out on sharing personal information with other people and report her to her superiors if appropriate.
Despite everything, I still think it is highly unlikely that the twins will spend much "quality time" with other cruisers. What will cruisers do if they miss their opportunity to watch "Kate and kids play on the beach"? Will they sue? Very doubtful. By the time they get off this ship, having been soaked for every dime, they are not likely to pursue it. They might complain to Cindy or even Kate, but one or the other can always say, well, we had a "threat" of some kind and decided it was better to keep the kids away from others; or the kids were seasick; or . . . whatever. Like I've said before, I seriously doubt Cindy or her agency will have any interest in marketing a cruise with Kate Gosselin again. I am sure they have encountered issues with this project that they've never seen before. And rightfully so. They should have done a LOT more homework on this POS "celebrity" before they ever got involved.
Z has re-emerged after 24 hours of heavy deleting trumpeting her "innocence" and slinging mud at the "AKOs" who dared to question her actions and intentions. CJ seems to be keeping a very low profile. The lady who said she was canceling her cruise has taken her Twitter private (Kate could learn a thing or two from her) and will probably decide to go ahead with the trip. Just another day in KateWorld.
Cindy thinks that someone who is 50 is a sweet old lady. The language used in her email lacks a certain "maturity". Let's just assume that she is a young woman. Maybe, working her first real job. She may have booked other celebrity cruises in a fairly routine manner. Along comes the Gosselin curse and she was sucked into the vortex of Kate Hate without warning or experience.
Clearly, Cindy is in over her head and needs to quickly involve a supervisor who can begin damage control. The whole Kate cruise is trouble and looks like no profit will be made. The whole package could be/should be dumped. At least, rethink involving minor children in the promotion.
Jon now has some additional ammunition for whatever case he hopes to build proving that Kate shows poor judgement regarding the welfare of the children.
Kate is toxic...Cindy Cardella is just another victim in her path of destruction.
This whole cruise trip reeked from the start.
If Kate & Cindy had not over priced the trip, and not used the children as a dangling carrot, it would have been fine.
I hope Jon prevents his daughters from boarding that ship.
Katie Irene and Cindy Cardella are a match made in heaven. Two very greedy, exploitive idiots.
May they both enjoy their just deserts.
I'm curious about something. Is there no pricacy legislation in the US? In my business, confidentiality of customer inquiries, records, history, etc. is expected to be maintained at all times. Breach of such confidentiality by staff is subject to potential Privacy Act remedies. And no, I am not in the legal, medical or any other profession where client records can be especially sensitive. I can't figure out how this Cindy will be able to avoid repercussions if she did, in fact, vet cruiser's For this ill-conceived marketing plan, trough some uber-fN of Kate Gosselin. admin, is there Privacy Leg in the US?
So, Kate couldn't get enough people to go with JUST her, so she is using the twins to get more money? She gets even more pathetic as time passes. I sincerely hope that the bitch rots.
I find Cindy's comment that CJ's a sweet old lady to be rather strange since CJ is traveling with her tweenie daughter (and maybe hubby and preschool twins?). How many sweet OLD ladies have young kids?
Someone sent me a PR photo with Cindy and Kate from Cindy's Facebook and she does seem very young. Maybe late 20's.
She's in over her head, isn't understanding that whole saga of this and how it's a big freaking deal to a heck of a lot of people when you put kids out there who have been this exploited for so long.
It is not, come shake the hand of Jamie Lee Curtis' kid or some other random celeb. It means so much more than that because it's the Gosselin kids.
In over your head Cindy.
I saw the facebook picture and read the comments. Id guess this is a big deal for Cindy. Her friends complimented her on getting this cruise. Its more than just an average work day for her. Also. She said she will be escorting Kate. Shes making money and getting a free cruise.
As I recall, the identical quints were never able to bond with anybody but each other. They resented their caretakers, nurses, doctor, mother, father, siblings...everybody. Their siblings didn't like them either because they got so much attention, made money, and were so close and protective of each other. There could be some of that going on with publicized multiples with a single or twins in the mix.
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Yes I've read about that as well. Their socialization was very stunted. They were close to one of their sisters but not the five (or maybe more) other siblings. After all for nine years they thought it was normal to live on a compound and have people viewing them through screens and glass walls.
Also, two pairs of them shared two sacs in the womb and one was in her own sac. Interestingly, the pairs that shared a sac were closest to each other, leaving the one who had her own sac out a lot. Emilie and Marie who shared a sac died young, one in her 20's and one in her 30's. Marie was extremely depressed after Emilie died, was estranged from her husband and was dead three days before anyone found her. They couldn't determine her cause of death because of the state of her body, but many people speculated she committed suicide. All of the girls who married ended up divorced.
Here's a little more eerie facts about when they came home:
According to the accounts of the surviving sisters, the parents often treated them at home as a five-part unit, and frequently lectured them about the trouble they had caused the family by existing. They were sometimes denied privileges the other children received, and were more strictly disciplined and punished. They also received a heavier share of the house- and farmwork. They were unaware for many years that the lavish house, expensive food and cars the family enjoyed were paid for with money they themselves had earned.
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I'm confused. Has it been confirmed that Cindy has actually sent emails to CJ?
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@SchmeckyGirl @Kateplusmy8 Schmecky, 15 admin confirmed she has received emails from cruisers that Cinderelli has given their emails to CJ
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I'm confused. Has it been confirmed that Cindy has actually sent emails to CJ?
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No, I didn't say this. I said I got emails from Cindy TALKING about CJ to the people who emailed her. I do not know exactly the extent of what Cindy told CJ about them. We can try to ask her, but I'm betting after this debacle she's not going to speak to us again.
I find Cindy's comment that CJ's a sweet old lady to be rather strange since CJ is traveling with her tweenie daughter (and maybe hubby and preschool twins?). How many sweet OLD ladies have young kids?
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I was thinking the same thing, Tweet. Certainly Cindy would have seen the age or ages of the kids who were also on the ticket. She wouldn't have thought these were grandkids, would she? Something smells here. Maybe anyone over 40 is old to her. What an insult, though, to refer to any customer as "old." She should have kept it zipped.
Admin, I commented last night about her lack of experience because she's still wet behind the ears. I wasn't being nasty, but calling it like it is. She's young and never dealt with anything like this. I think she just has no idea of the scope of this whole thing, nor how much this would escalate when they started using the twins as a selling point.
I haven't read through the responses yet, but I wanted to say that this is one of the most powerful posts Admin. has ever done. The apt comparison to the Dionne children highlights the peddling of the Gosselin children for money.
They're beautiful, intelligent kids, yet Kate still uses them as her little buskers.
I can't imaging this is OK with Jon.
Regarding the sweet old lady I guess CJ is an older mother? And everyone looks old when you're 27. But sheesh Cindy. When I think sweet old lady I think late-80's crossing the street hoping their hip doesn't give out. And I'm not that much older than you. But I would never say that about a client!
She is one naive thing isn't she?
Admin, is this the same Cindy Cardella?
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20071218006405/en/Norwegian-Cruise-Line-Christens-Girl---Norwegian
This article is from 5 years ago. Maybe she is now a newer employee to the cruising industry. Just curious.
The grossest aspect of this for me is promising "quality time" with two 11 year old girls in exchange for buying an overpriced ticket.
Is she promising quality time with the twins to men who email her, too? Not that women can't be sleazy, but is she making this super creepy promise to everyone making an inquiry? I tend to think so. It's all about the money.
I'm trying to imagine letting someone pimp out my daughter for cash. Pay this and you can spend quality time with her on a boat in the middle of the Caribbean. I just can't. There's no angle at which that's even remotely ok and doesn't give me chills.
Sure, Kate could lock them up in a cabin the whole time, but how fair is that to the girls? And all you need is one really unstable kook who's angry about being denied quality time and you've got a BIG problem.
I'm really hoping for the sake of M&C that the trip is either canceled or they don't go. And Cindy Cardella is extremely unprofessional at the very LEAST.
I'm trying to imagine letting someone pimp out my daughter for cash. Pay this and you can spend quality time with her on a boat in the middle of the Caribbean. I just can't. There's no angle at which that's even remotely ok and doesn't give me chills.
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It's just creepy to imagine such a thing when you think of it in terms of your own child.
Heck I wouldn't allow this with my hamster. If I had a hamster. Or even, an ant farm. I would worry like crazy. I don't know who these people are and I don't let strangers around things important to me.
LibraryLady I don't know that would make her about 36 now....I thought she seemed WAY younger than that from her pic. Unless she just looks good for 36.
Also her emails make her sound like an idiot 20-something, which I am allowed to say.
We sold our travel agency in Canada in 1995, but this is essentially how this cruise through Alice Travel works:
Alice Travel blocked the cabins with Royal Caribbean with a deposit to hold them
Alice Travel markets the cruise to fill those cabins
90 days prior to sailing, Alice Travel confirms what they have sold (out of their block with RC) and gives back the unsold cabins at NO penalty. RC sells these cabins directly, through other retailers or wholesalers.
If Alice Travel gets any new bookings within the 90 days, they will call RC and secure the necessary cabins, (perhaps at a higher rate than before to the consumer.) This will be pitched as follows; "Oh, the Kate cruise package is sold out, but let me call RC and see what I can do". Little do the new people know they will be joining a group of what looks like 30 other "Katers"
Alice Travel is not going to cancel this cruise due to lack of interest, IMO it's a go. They have sold enough cabins to cover Kate's "freebie".
I have thought from the beginning (because I have worked in both wholesale and retail travel) that Kate's payment is a free cruise and the airfare to get there and back for 3 passengers. In exchange for this all-expense paid trip she has to make a few appearances and then it's back to her private balcony. She may get a flat fee from Alice Travel for these appearances, but this is no money-maker for Kate, this is a free cruise!
Now, for the vetting part:
At the time when final payment has been received, Alice Travel will provide Royal Caribbean with their CONFIRMED passenger's passport numbers. A retail agency has no way of vetting passengers that I am aware.
Cindy has been drawn in to the drama of Kate. She is (reality) star-struck and a complete unprofessional. I think Cindy and CJ are in touch regularly, and Cindy's
immaturity may very well be her undoing. No client information can ever be shared with anyone, not even fellow Kate-lover clients. Never.
According to the article posted in a comment above, Cindy was 31 in 2007. That makes her 36 years old now. She has to know that CJ is 50 years old and not some "sweet old lady." Cindy is being intentionally deceptive about that, just as she has been intentionally deceptive about the whole cruise (hidden costs, Kate's mystery charity and on and on).
I think someone above is right: Kate found someone as dishonest and greedy and unethical as she is!
What will cruisers do if they miss their opportunity to watch "Kate and kids play on the beach"?
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This watch "Kate and kids play on the beach" just reeks of the Dionne's "showings" as advertised on the above sign. What are they going to do? Rope off a section of the beach and have them come out and play during two showings? Pick your time, but make sure you get yourself back to the boat. Last tender leaves at 4:00. Boat sails at 5:00. Geez...
Jumping In, I also don't think Kate is making any money off this. I do think she hoped people would just flock to the cruise at first--could she have made anything that way?
The fact that it's just a free cruise for her and not a huge money-making venture explains why she hasn't been pushing it harder and more often on Twitter, Dr. Drew, that radio show, etc.
But why the high cost for this package? Is Alice Travel just looking to make a lot on it? In other words, who is getting the big markup?
The Gosselin kids are bright kids and when they become adults they are going to demand an accounting for their childhoods just like the Dionnes did. And there will probably be lawsuits and settlements.
Because Cindy is young and foolish and didn't do her homework and is now just shooting from the hip to play damage control, now her name is probably going to be brought up a decade from now in that lawsuit. When they list all the things done to them, the cruise will be one of them, orchestrated by her.
Cindy needs to think about the long term consequences of being a participant in this exploitation.
I don't care if the twins go on the cruise. I just don't think they should be made available to her fans. She can easily pull back on this little part of it, it's not like anyone is claiming they signed up just for them. Her fans want to see Kate anyway.
A perfect way to deal with it is to pull back on the twins being made available for quality time BUT add an activity with Kate. No harm no foul. But it has to be done soon before anyone relies on that information to book.
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Contracts, child labor laws, please. International waters, baby!
Jon already explained via my source that the judge said this vacation was okay but that Kate couldn't stop Jon if he wanted to take the kids on vacation.
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But but but but... sputtering... the girls arent going on vacation, they are being advertised as AN EVENT and ATTRACTION for other folks' vacations. They are being sublet out by their 'mother' to make money for Alice Travel.
Unless a judge feels that Kate is so incompetent the twins MUST be hired out as a side show on this cruise in order to support themselves???
But the thing is, Dallas, no matter her age - even if she were 45, does she have the experience to deal with this? Has she ever been in a situation like this? She doesn't know how to handle it, and no matter what she does from this point forward, she's not going to be able to get herself out of it. The e-mails are out there. Regarding the privacy between an agency and customers -- I know that if I found out and had proof that my personal information was shared with another customer, I would be livid. Not only would I cancel the cruise, even if I were a fan, I'd demand a full refund and I'd take it to a higher power, whether that would be the owner of the company, or an attorney. If all of this went down as reported, this should be called to the attention of someone in authority.
Jumping in 89, thank you for those travel facts. Real info helps as we try to sort the Kate mess out.
Dwindle, I agree with you. But I can see Kate downplaying this whole thing, oh your honor it's not that big of a deal the twins will only spend two minutes of the trip doing a meet and greet the rest of the time just playing. Kate is manipulative and Kate lies and judges fall for this all the time.
And, I don't know if Jon even knew what Cindy is saying in emails to people until now that we've posted it. Because she is keeping a tight lid on what their involvement is even going to be so far. This isn't on her web site. This is secret behind the scenes stuff we've exposed. We still don't know what "quality time" means. Kate could blow it off as oh well we're just having one dinner together with the fans, no biggie!
Judges just don't like to stop vacations without a really, really good reason. A small little meet and greet isn't going to be really be enough for a judge.
It's odd 'fans' would be drawn to watching 2 eleven year old non-identical twins 'play." What will they play at that age? I always thought the tups were the drawing card. Or Kate. Why are the twins 'necessary?" Sounds boring to me.
Cindy has been drawn in to the drama of Kate. She is (reality) star-struck and a complete unprofessional. I think Cindy and CJ are in touch regularly, and Cindy's
immaturity may very well be her undoing. No client information can ever be shared with anyone, not even fellow Kate-lover clients. Never.
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Jumping in, thanks for your info. Question -- do you know if there is any privacy law on the books that prohibit information being shared, or is this just a matter of ethics? If there is such a law, what should be done, and is there a penalty?
I have thought from the beginning (because I have worked in both wholesale and retail travel) that Kate's payment is a free cruise and the airfare to get there and back for 3 passengers. In exchange for this all-expense paid trip she has to make a few appearances and then it's back to her private balcony. She may get a flat fee from Alice Travel for these appearances, but this is no money-maker for Kate, this is a free cruise!
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I think Alice Travel will need to pay for 4 pax, no way Katie will travel without Skeve. Kate and Cindy are fools made for each other. I woud hope that Jon is made aware of how his daughters are being marketed. I agree with Admin that there is no reason they should not have a vacation, but this seems wrong. Way wrong. And I also think the BBB of whatever state Alice is in should get a copy of her extremely unprofessional e-mails regarding her disregard for appropriate business conduct.
Pimping the kids is certainly unethical, but the bigger question for Cindy Cardella is this:
How's her liability coverage?
If something happens to those girls after she pimps them out, who is going to pay her legal bills when Kate sues her? When Jon sues her? When a suit is filed on behalf of the girl(s)?
If she's insured, how fast will her insurance step up once they discover that she pimped out "quality time" with two 11 year olds?
Is good ole Cindy ready for this?
She is clearly clueless, and has no idea what she's doing.
PS - there may be NO higher up at Alice Travel. AT may be only Cindy and a pal, in which case there may be no one with any brains at all in the agency, and they both are, so to speak, cruising for disaster.
Hope you don't mind but this is OT. I was just cruising a couple pro-Kate blogs and something that was said on one of them never fails to enrage me. I think I may have even mentioned it here before. Kate says she is the breadwinner and always will be. This came from her Sirius interview but she has said it many times before. Kate is and always has used Jon's kids to make her money. If she's going to use his flesh and blood to earn money why is it always considered "her" money? In my opinion any money earned off the back of those poor kids should not be hers or Jons but the kids. Not one dime Kate has so-called "earned" would have happened without the kids. She brings them into every single blog, Twitter, and interview she does. Kate is nothing without her (and Jons) kids! Breadwinner, my ass. Those 8 children are the breadwinners. I don't think anyone has ever made me more sick than Kate Gosselin. Someone said on here not too long ago they are waiting around only to see her fall. I'm right here with you and it's coming soon.
"Why doesn't someone just call Cindy and ask her about all of this? She has given her phone number and said to call if any questions. Take her up on it."
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Cindy isn't going to talk to anyone. She has no idea as to the identity of the caller and at this point may fear legal involvement. She's not going to admit to vetting or sharing e-mails, and certainly not over the phone where any of what she might disclose could be recorded. Additionally, I would hope that by now she would be extremely careful what she puts into e-mails. At least I hope she has learned something.
Sailing, no Alice Travel is not just Cindy and a pal. It's actually a pretty mid-sized company. Here is their staff list and Cindy isn't even listed on it, she may be contracted for this cruise. From her FB she makes it seem like this is a new contract. It's a company that goes back to the 60's and its president according to their web site is a guy named Jerry Davis.
http://www.alicetravel.com/content.aspx?ekfrm=14927
Cindy is in WAY over their head, a big company like this wouldn't want to make the stupid mistake of tarnishing their reputation by talking about clients with other clients.
Cindy is
It is standard practice from what I have read, Westcoaster, that the celeb gets a cut from the Travel Agency from those who booked. Kate would not do this unless she got some money.
Well the kids are the breadwinner but I think it's fair to say Jon is the breadwinner now too since he works a normal mediocre job (jobs) and pays child support and even Kate admits he does pay his child support.
So, I count nine bread winners now and one person sitting on their ass.
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Wow. This is all more twisted than I thought. Let me see if I have this straight: a travel agent is emailing people inquiring about the trip and ASSURING THEM that they will, for the MONEY THEY PAY, be able to spend QUALITY TIME with two 11 year old girls.
Do I have that right?
Because I need to go throw up.
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This is so brilliantly put that I cannot shake off your words, Dallas Lady. "Step right up and get your tickets to spend 'quality time' with a stranger's 11 year old girls."
"QUALITY TIME" with two 11 year olds, for a price.
I am astonished.
I think Jon acted too fast. Now that the judge has already ruled, the profiteers are free to market the kids using any language and staged 'quality time' events they choose, knowing Jon is too fearful to go back to the court again. Oh well. He gets points for trying and the kids will always know he tried.
Are y'all sure you have the correct Cindy Bubblegirl here? This one is absolutely acting like a 21-22 year old pass-the-bottle, just out of college whootwhoot, who just got her first way cool license and thinks she, like wow, knows heeheee every cool thing ever! Partay!!! Sounds like she cant wait to compare bras and make up tips with the twins.
Yeah Cindy will probably be more careful now ....yet another mission accomplished. I don't want anyone feeling like they can't ask a legitimate question about whether the twins will be exploited only to have Cindy run to some creepy fan with it.
If Cindy doesn't want to answer a question, the proper thing to do is to either ignore it, or send a generic email. The last thing you do is start talking about other clients.
http://www.bbb.org/new-jersey/business-reviews/travel-agencies-and-bureaus/alice-travel-in-fairfield-nj-24000987
It's not BBB accredited.
Whoa, or woah, as Kate would say.... I agree this Cindy is unprofessional and naive. I agree that she seems to be talking out of her ass to get people to sign up for the Bacteria of the Seas cruise. However, it is again, KATE, who is allowing this shit. Even if Cindy is making stuff up about quality time, etc, Kate has the ability and responsibility to correct that statement, if incorrect. If dangerous types are signing up (we've got really weird at the very least), she can leave the girls home or make a statement that the girls will be kept separately from the fans. It's KATE'S job to do this, she is their mom. Their dad has already done what he could, which isn't much with regards to this joke of a cruise. So while the kids can sue Ms Cindy, my problem still lies with Kate, one of the few mothers in the animal kingdom who does not defend her young.
I don't really care about the BBB. I feel like these days you gleam a lot more information from online reviews. And they've had questionable practices themselves.
And even if it were BBB accredited it wouldn't change my opinion one bit about what they are doing.
If Cindy is a contractor for Alice Travel, she is REALLY engaging in risky behavior.
Is she prepared to lose everything her family has over this? I can't imagine an insurer in the world that would cover her for liability if she's sued if something happens to those girls.
She could lose her home, her livelihood, everything.
She's potentially putting her entire family's economic well-being on the hook.
Too bad Cindy doesn't have anybody at Alice Travel who can take her aside and point out how dangerously she's behaving.
But then why should Alice Travel care? They get the cut, Cindy gets the lawsuit. It's perfect for them.
Katie Cry duh, I agree with you this is Kate's responsibility. But since Kate will never do the right thing here, it's sort of our only hope that Cindy will feel enough pressure and dig deep into her soul and find enough morality and insight to pull back on this crap. No one gets anywhere with Kate. We do sometimes get somewhere with others however.
I'm assuming Cindy has a soul and maybe even a heart. Assuming the same for Kate though is a dangerous proposition.
Jumping In, I too am confused about the gigantic mark-up on the cruise. If the agent typically only gets 15-20%, then where is the other $400+ going? I disagree that Kate is making nothing. Other celeb cruises market them as the celeb is raising money for a charity. We all know that Kate recognizes no charity except herself, which is why I think the remainder goes into her pocket. I think she saw this as a potential huge windfall: "$400 x 200 people for 7 days of virtually no work? Where do I sign?" I doubt she will see much, if any, cash since I don't think the turn-out will approach those numbers, but she's still getting free 1st-class travel for herself and at least 4 other people (assuming Steve and a nanny), which based on the "Kate rate" pricing would have to have a retail value of $15-20K, all in.
If Cindy doesn't want to answer a question, the proper thing to do is to either ignore it, or send a generic email. The last thing you do is start talking about other clients.
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A generic e-mail written by someone other than Cindy! Someone who knows exactly how to write such an e-mail, a professional e-mail that doesn't put information out there that shouldn't ever be disclosed...and one that doesn't say these are fans who want to hang with Kate and spend quality time with the twins.
Cindy Cardella's facebook is wide open for anyone to see.
Color me shocked: Born on May 26, 1976
Cindy Cardella's facebook is wide open for anyone to see.
Color me shocked: Born on May 26, 1976
Cindy Cardella
VP/ Sales Luxury Cruises & Tours
A Division of Alice Travel
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What does this mean all you business savvy people? Does it mean she's contracted? Does "a division of" have a specific meaning in the business world?
Admin, you have got one hell of a sad point there. Kate will never do what's best for her kids. She won't even compromise and do what's right for them even if it benefits her secondarily. It's all about what's in it for Kate and apparently her goals are: to be rich, to be famous, to not work, to be beautiful (good luck with that, dude) and to escape her kids
Administrator 116 -- Well, there goes my "she is young...and a Kate vortex victim" theory. Remember when Kate's voice used to begin the show with, "It's a crazy life....?" She got that more right that she ever expected!
I still dont understand how anyone, let alone a so call professional, advertises 'quality time' with children as a paid event.
Of course, the gestational carrier is demanding it, so there we go.
On the other hand, I am sure they are sweet girls but what is the point? My son in law has a twin sister and no one ever wanted to pay money to watch them play with their mother. It's just freaky. I am sure they are sweet girls, but they just aint all that. Perhaps there is a cook or engineer on board who could charge money for folks to come spend 'quality time' with HIS/HER kids???
What does that even mean, I ask you??? "Quality time"? The twins alone with you in your cabin for an hour?
Damn stupid freak show. This has me as angry as showing a baby boy impacted, on TV, focusing a camera on his bum as he toddled off to be disimpacted in a parking lot, while his mother leafed through a catalogue. As his 7 brothers and sisters swung unattended from the ceilings. And then the mother complained about how hard she has it.
AAARRRGGGHHH.
Rule 4 please.
Dwindle, I'm trying to think what in any context under the sun paying for "quality time" with someone else's child would be considered a social norm.
I mean if they really step outside the box here and think about what they are saying, it's creepy on so many levels.
Would you walk into school and say is it okay if I hang out with little Jimmy today? Would you show up at a soccer game and ask to spend time with Suzy? How about Chuckie Cheese and go jump in the plastic ball thing and play with other people's kids. Or cruise the beach and start building a sand castle with little Timmy someone else's kid. Or the ice cream stand, buy little Sammy a cone. The twins don't know these people. It's no different than any stranger approaching them in any other context.
People would call the police. Think about this, Cindy. Think about it for one second.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 122
Rule 4 please.
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Ruh-Roh. Since this came right after my post, am I in trouble? I did use the 'damn' word...
The part I don't get is that this *isn't* a vacation. This is selling the time of two 11 year old girls. It's a job.
They just aren't being paid in cash. They're being paid in kind...a cruise. Much like a barter.
So the judge is saying it's OK for 11 year olds to work?
If Kate was just taking them on a cruise and it really was only a vacation, fine. But she's not just taking them on a cruise.
They're being put on display in exchange for the price of the cruise; that's no longer a vacation. Their time and presence is being sold.
This cruise should be taxable to Kate. If something is given in exchange for something else, it's taxable.
I just can't fathom a rational person saying oh, it's ok, it's a vacation. I'd let you do it too. The kids' time is clearly being sold.
Think someone bought off the judge?
Mel, every day parents walk into court and downplay things, misrepresent things, even lie about things to get the judge to let them do what they want.
I'm sure Kate assured the judge the kids would not be working. There is obviously no contract with the twins because Jon would never sign it.
A judge can only make certain orders and hope they are followed. If a parent lies to him then turns around and behind his back does something else, then he wouldn't be the first judge to have a parent pull this on him. And Kate wouldn't be the first parent to have no consequences ensue. It takes a LOT to get the judge to the point where he's punishing you. Judges in general like to stay out of parenting as much as possible only helping you where you absolutely cannot agree with the other parent.
It sounds like a compromise any judge would make--Kate can take them on the cruise but Jon gets to take them somewhere too.
No Dwindle, not you.
Whatever the heck happened at IW the various sides seem to want to use this place to spin things their way.
A., I don' care what happened there. And B., this is not a blog to talk about other blogs. So peddle that elsewhere!
Kate tweeted that she was going for a long run today. (Again, who has the kids?)
She can't run fast enough or far enough to put this mess behind her.
Admin, if Jon set up a beach blanket, got out his Twitter and a yard sign that said "Come spend quality time with 2 of my kids, cash check or credit card accepted, lunch will be included."... just how does anyone think that would go over?
Let's picture a cruise ship with a daycare section for STAFF's children. For an extra fee you can watch, stare, play with, or have QUALITY TIME with the day care kids?
Times are hard everywhere. Can parents put up yard signs advertising "QUALITY TIME WITH OUR KID$$$. INQUIRE WITHIN."
"Homegrown tomatos, zucchini,onions, $5.00 a basket; Also QUALITY TIME with our daughters, $40 an hour."
"And over here on THIS stage, are 11 year old Cara and Mady Gosselin! They sometimes brush their teeth, always clear the dishes when it's their turn, and just started wearing bras and using tampons! Who will start the bidding for 'QUALITY TIME' with these girls?!"
Dwindle....129: Exactly!
Cindy has three really cute boys she splashed all over her FB.
If she wouldn't put out a sign to pay a fee to spend time with them, it's immoral and unethical and sick for her to do the same to the twins.
Dwindle, vomit.
Dwindle, 129 - you are irate and using that emotion to write some powerful posts. Well done!
I would have had no problem with M and C going on the cruise-until Kate and Cindy turned it into a selling point. Why did they even have to mention that the twins were going other than to create another reason to book this cruise?
For Cindy to say that you will be able to spend "quality time with the Kate and the girls" is despicable. It also shows that Cindy doesn't believe Kate is a draw, and that adding the twins into the equation will possibly bring more interest.
From her tweets and emails, Cindy seems to be desperately trying to get people to book this cruise. It's bad enough that Kate is using her kids to further her agenda, but now Cindy is doing the exact same thing.
Will Cindy wake up and realize that she is being used, just like Kate's kids are? Doubt it. The whole scenario makes me sick.
This is how hardcore good parents and child care workers are about their kids' privacy:
I went with a co-worker to drop off her two girls at daycare. The daycare is specifically for employees. I'm an employee, so is she. Because I had my employee badge on, I was able to go in with her to drop her kids off.
All that was fine. The issue came when I saw the child of another friend and coworker of mine. I hadn't seen him since he was a baby and now he's three. I sort of squealed (he's super cute!) and said, "Is that ________ _________?" (his first name and last name) Then I said, "That's so and so's son, isn't it? He's so cute and he's gotten so big!"
The coworker I was with smiled, nodded and said yes that's him, isn't he adorable?
The day care director was standing right behind us and looked somewhat upset. She asked us to come into her office. My coworker was admonished for verifying the child's identity to me. I was not the child's parent nor was I on file there as a trusted guardian. She was not supposed to verify his identity to an "outsider." the director understood I KNOW the child's mother very well, but privacy rules are privacy rules and that was a breach of them. We both apologized, all was fine, and my coworker was actually reassured by the level of protection the day care engages in.
Compare that to Kate Gosselin putting her children on TV for money for six years and pimping out her daughters as a way to sell cruise tickets. Night. And. Day.
Admin, if Jon set up a beach blanket, got out his Dwindle said, Twitter and a yard sign that said "Come spend quality time with 2 of my kids, cash check or credit card accepted, lunch will be included."... just how does anyone think that would go over?
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Remember when Jon tweeted that he had taken the girls to Olive Garden for their birthdays? The sheeple were all him and crucified him for mentioning an event after the fact!
Admin, if Jon set up a beach blanket, got out his Dwindle said,
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Well, I screwed that one up. I think that if Jon got out his Dwindle and did anything with it, there would be an outcry!
Announces to the whole wide world today she is going on a LONG run...gee, who is going to watch the kids?
It's so stupid, she can run all over PA on lonely roads, where any freak could abduct her and it wouldn't be known for HOURS, yet she needs a bodyguard to go with her in public. If you don't need a bodyguard on a deserted road while running, you don't need one when you are trolling parking lots, you certainly don't need one trying to catch a plane or walk in a hotel.
Perhaps the body guard is a misnomer, perhaps she needs him since she is too ditzy to execute travel plans by herself. She's on tape saying she doesn't like to 'lead' in airports. I think she's just too stupid to manage on her own.
Her little estate is wide open for anyone to gain access, I am shocked no one has attempted a break-in already. Those little kiddies are like sitting ducks. And their mother placed them there. Way to go, mother of the year.
Meanwhile....back at home, how is Kate spinning this to Mady and Cara?
Is it something along the lines of "This is a FAMILY BUSINESS and you two have to pitch in and help or there will be penalities of severeness!!" ?
Geez, do these girls even KNOW their mother is allowing them to be billed as a sideshow?
Call me cynical, but I'm betting Kate and probably Cindy are working on ways to get the sextuplets on that cruise.
My turn to vomit.
I don't really care about the BBB. I feel like these days you gleam a lot more information from online reviews. And they've had questionable practices themselves.
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I only put that out there to show that it's a corporation with a president. I don't give a flying patootie about them either. I pulled it up before I read the info you posted about Alice Travel, in response to someone who said that it could just be Cindy and her pal operating this. Clearly, this is not a mom and pop business. My question is - is she an employee of Alice Travel, or a rep who is employed by another firm that is contracted by Alice?
It's so stupid, she can run all over PA on lonely roads, where any freak could abduct her and it wouldn't be known for HOURS, yet she needs a bodyguard to go with her in public
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She doesn't need one when running because there are no paps or public flocking around her. Steve's job was/is to keep the public safe from Kate, should she decide to go off on someone, or spew forth information that shouldn't be said.
I don't think the twins know or if they do they sort of have an elementary understanding of okay we have to go schmooze with the fans and maybe I don't want to but we can't go if we don't. They're too young to really understand and appreciate it. They're going to slowly become more aware as the years go by. I'm guessing by 14 or 15 they will understand exactly what was done to them, and by 16 or 17 they're going to make the connection they should call a lawyer.
This is really not that much longer from now so Kate should enjoy her 3D T.V. while she can.
Gift of grab said... 2
Off topic for Aeduko: Saw this article and recalled what you said on last thread about FB. Does this sound familiar?
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Thanks for the link, GOG! It sure does, except what they did to me was go into my EMAIL on my email feed at my provider. I'd never contacted this person online at all. So they hacked my password and looked at the email for addresses they had on facebook. ICK. I know going online means being spied on by someone, but that was creepy.
Speaking of creepy, and back on topic, forwarding someone's email without their consent is unethical, full stop.
@ Fleecing The Sheeple said... 136
Hon, I needed a good laugh and you made my eyes water and my ribs hurt! Hope you dont mind I called you 'hon' but YOU have me in a wonderful puddle of giggles over here! Thank you a dozen times over!
Cindy is not some naive young thing. She's been cruising since childhood. From google:
http://www.expertcruiser.com/blog/new-jersey-mom-is-norwegian-gems-it-girl-mother/
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20071218006405/en/Norwegian-Cruise-Line-Christens-Girl---Norwegian
Also, being roughly the same age as Kate, Cindy looks many years younger.
Rhymes with Witch said... 139
Call me cynical, but I'm betting Kate and probably Cindy are working on ways to get the sextuplets on that cruise.
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That crossed my mind for a split second but Kate stuck on a BOAT with all 8 of her children? Never happen. Not without a TEAM of cooks, nannies, boobyguards, brand new BFFs, 6 cameras and 4 sound engineers, the president of the cruise line, 2 makeup artists, 2 hair stylists, a manicurist, her own private dining room, ROL and TMZ... in short, she would never agree to it for less than $1/4million and a private crew of 60 to buffer her from her own children.
31 cruises by the time she was 31??? Cindy you are a freak.
Dwindle, I certainly hope you're right.
admin- I admire your stance on not trashing other blogs. Especially since those blogs had no problem trashing YOU. You truly do understand how to take the high road. KUDOS
2 canned goods for admission to a charity event... following her recent radio interview the lovely Miss Gosselin is requesting the donation of 2 boxes of tampons and assorted training bras for HER favorite charity, to be named later. If high quality designer brands are donated, you will receive "QUALITY TIME" with some 11 year old girl of our choice.
Prefer little boys instead? Stay tuned for our next big announcement! Great events for all! Fun fun fun! call 1-800-...
Twitter is so amusing. Bigfan is on there right now, talking to herself about her son and his sneakers, her ex-husband, how horrible the PA Dutch are, and her big meal for lunch. Over and over and over again. Nobody pays attention, but finally someone told her to knock it off because nobody cares about about her son.
bigfanofk8go
@ashymama2 @JudyInDisguise1 @Kateplusmy8 K8 told the whole world that her twin girls are now wearing adult female bras!
I didn't know that they make adult male bras! Do they have to be specially ordered? I didn't hear the radio show...did Kate actually use those words - that the girls wear "adult female bras" (I guess as opposed to training bras)?
Kate tweeted three hours ago that she loves this weather. Right now its 39 degrees, warmed up a bit from earlier when she tweeted. However, recently she said she loves warm weather. So what is it, Kate? You love this weather, or you love warm weather?
Kate's announced the charity finally!
The Katie McKate House.
It's even a 501c.
Headlines coming soon!
Jon Gosselin's new managment company is announcing that he plans to take his twin daughters to Olive Garden for their 12th birthdays, following his Gosselin Family Tradition. Purchase your tickets HERE to join them at their table for 'quality time with Jon and the girls.' For a lesser cost ticket, you can be seated at the table NEXT to Jon and Family! Reservation required for this Very Special Event.
CELEBRITY GOLF EVENT: Jon Gosselin and Sons - Tickets go on sale now for quality time all weekend with Jon and his boys. Golf carts included, cameras welcome! Quality time with the boys during the lunch breaks!
Our special guest next week is JON GOSSELIN who will discuss the trial and tribulations of being the dad of mensturating preteens, what it like when they run out of sanitary pads while visiting him, and Jon will also field your calls about Dad's and training bras. Coming up next week!
How does that go down, sheeple? Not so good? Because you hate dads and men and you feel women OWN their children to pimp out as they see fit?
Jon Gosselin's new managment company is announcing that he plans to take his twin daughters to Olive Garden for their 12th birthdays, following his Dwindle 153...
Gosselin Family Tradition. Purchase your tickets HERE to join them at their table for 'quality time with Jon and the girls.' For a lesser cost ticket, you can be seated at the table NEXT to Jon and Family! Reservation required for this Very Special Event.
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Which option includes breadsticks and salad, or is it ala carte ordering? Is a bathroom excursion included, and do we get to watch the girls play in the sink?
You're on a roll, Dwindle, and so dead-on.
We're sliding into slippery territory talking about the fans and other blogs. I know it's kind of subjective at times, but try to avoid this topic.
Cindy invoking the fans herself is relevant and can certainly be talked about. Random information about various other fans should be avoided.
I don't want to be a blog that just talks about other blogs. That is pointless.
I'm outraged by Kate pimping out the twins for the sake of a cruise too. However -- and please bear with me, because I tend to get incoherent when I'm angry (or more incoherent, as the case may be LOL). Is it possible that this "quality time" will be spent with the Klovers kids? While Kate is indulging the fantasies of the adults, the kids will be in supervised activities that include M & C? Slightly less creepy, but still so very wrong on so many levels. I wish there were some legal way tht Jon could put a stop to this. It sounds, however, as if he's already been shot down and has no options left. Whatever happens, I hope that security is very tight on that ship, and that the twins, not Kate, are the ones with bodyguards.
Fleecing the Sheeple, 136. Thank you for my delight of the day. Tonight, with hubbies, wives from this blog are gonna know a new way of expressing themselves. I am hurting I laughed so hard!
Dwindle! Too funny! Too bad that there is a grain of truth to what you are saying.
She may get a flat fee from Alice Travel for these appearances, but this is no money-maker for Kate, this is a free cruise!
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I'm pretty sure that Kate gets a couple hundred bucks per person booked. This was confirmed on a Cruise website (Cruise Critic??.... I'll have to look) that looked into the issue due to overwhelming activity on their website.
Why else would Kate be baiting more people to come cruise with her if her (and the kids) cruise and travel feed are a lock?
Yes, it was Cruise Critic:
So what’s in it for Gosselin? Yes, Kate is being paid to appear on the cruise — receiving an undisclosed amount per person booked. Failla says celebrities usually donate the fees to a charity, but Gosselin has not revealed which charity she may be promoting on this cruise. Many of you will likely think the charity will be the Gosselin eight college fund….
Link:
http://www.cruisecritic.com/blog/index.php/2012/01/11/the-kate-gosselin-theme-cruise-you-have-questions-we-have-answers/
readerlady ...156
An interesting theory, but so far, with one exception, those who have committed to go on this cruise have been adults only (I think one tween may be signed up, or had a parent who was thinking of signing up).
I don't see anybody (with this possible exception) signing up their children to participate in the Kate Kruise.
In fact, quite a few people have said that maybe they (one adult) would sign up, but that the other family members would just pay the usual cruise rate.
That was one way a few people were trying to figure out how to afford the Kruise.
So you have a bunch of adults who are eager for "quality time" with 11 year old girls.
Or, more likely, for most of the Kruisers, all two of them, it's access to Kate they want.
The 11 year olds may be of interest to pedophiliacs and, possibly, to other 11 year olds or really dumb adolescents, but only adult pedos would have the funds for the cruise.
Or, as an alternative scenario, a pedo parent could sign up with a kid and attend all the Gosselin kid activities he or she wanted.
If this Kruise goes off, nobody is going to be protecting the Gosselin children. Nobody cares. Nobody who will be on the Kruise, that is.
Nobody screens for pedos or convicted sex criminals on ships, especially not ships that carry the population of a small city. And there's no Meghan's law on the high seas.
All of which makes Cardella's pimping of the girls even more disgusting than it looks on the face of it.
Rhymes with Witch said... 139
Call me cynical, but I'm betting Kate and probably Cindy are working on ways to get the sextuplets on that cruise.
My turn to vomit.
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Don't you know, The Gosselin children will be performing "The Sound of Music" for the wierd pleasure of her 10 sheeple ;o)
Many of you will likely think the charity will be the Gosselin 8 college fund. 160
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Does anyone else think that "college fund" is Kate's euphemism for "money for me?"
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An interesting theory, but so far, with one exception, those who have committed to go on this cruise have been adults only (I think one tween may be signed up, or had a parent who was thinking of signing up).
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Aren't the two who found out they are being stalked by a fan have children who will be with them?
Cindys tone offends me. She's arrogant and flippant. I have dealt with travel agents and I'd never book with her.
A little "I appreciate your concern" goes so far, Cindy.
The more arrogant and flippant she is the more I think she knows exactly what she is up to.
People who have nothing to hide have no reason not to be polite and courteous to all their clients.
I booked my last trip (to Scandinavia) online through a Canadian agency (I live in the US). The agent was polite and extremely helpful and found us very good deals on air fair and hotels.
My impression of Cindy is such that I would never book anything through her.
167 I just want to add that this was several years ago and I have never received unsolicited e mail about travel or anything else, leading me to be certain that my e mail remained private.
Bad Moon ... 164, I believe that only one family seriously considered paying for one child to go on the Kate part of the Kruise, and may be planning to do so still.
I could be wrong, since no one knows for sure who is paying for what, or even who has really booked.
In the beginning, many other people considered going with their entire family until they realized how expensive the Kruise was. Then they backed out.
The fan with several children who was stalked appeared to be reconsidering the cruise just before she went private on Twitter.
She was one of two, I believe, who said they were going with the whole family.
I don't know if that fan was paying full Kruise bump for all family members, but I believe she may have been one of those who was just paying the Kruise price for herself, and bringing the rest of the family at the usual cruise price.
I believe that the second fan who said she was going with the whole family explicitly stated that they were paying the Kruise price only for her, not anyone else in the family.
I really don't care what happens to Cindy Cardella at this point as a result of her stupidity and unprofessional, not to say highly unethical, behavior, but I do feel a little sorry for the really naive sheeple like the one who went private.
She was just too dumb to check out what she was doing, but it was ignorant dumb, not greedy dumb, like Kate and her pal Cardella.
I hope for everyone's sake, especially the children's, that this Kruise sinks like a rock in May.
Over Yonder said... 151
Kate tweeted three hours ago that she loves this weather. Right now its 39 degrees, warmed up a bit from earlier when she tweeted. However, recently she said she loves warm weather. So what is it, Kate? You love this weather, or you love warm weather?
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Unless she's not at home per this tweet:
Just checked in... All seems well here in twitter world. I'm 'hitting the hay' as they say in farm country, lol! GN!
8:15 PM - 9 Mar 12 via Twitterrific
I assumed she meant 'checking in' but maybe she actually meant checked into a hotel.
I assumed she meant 'checking in' but maybe she actually meant checked into a hotel. 170
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Maybe she's in Madrid????????
hahahahahahahahahahah.............
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Bad Moon ... 164, I believe that only one family seriously considered paying for one child to go on the Kate part of the Kruise, and may be planning to do so still.
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I thought that CJ has signed up with her daughter, and Gypsi had signed up for four, and Nickie for three.
Yes, no? Anyone know?
Is there a head count for this cruise?
This blog has it all! I could have given up the entertainment provided by the occassional deranged sheep, some strange theories, a lot of informed (and otherwise) speculation, and so on, but I can't keep away from the often hilarious snark by some very intelligent and perceptive people, a huge number of whom are hysterically funny.
As commentors go, this crowd is the best. Now, would you please all go away? I've got a life here, and you are keeping me from it! (Or should I say !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
That lasted. I'm back already.
I think CJ is the one with the tween, Gypsi may or may not have signed the children up (first fan in my post above), and Nickie (fan two in my earlier post) may or may not have signed her kids on.
Gypsi fell for the bait really early and clearly had no idea how overpriced the Kruise was, and may have signed up before Tweeters called that to her attention.
If Gypsi added the kids in, the reckoning will come when the next installment is due.
If I recall correctly Nickie was more concerned about cost from the beginning, so I don't know what she may have done.
According to Cardella, there is at least one single person (female? male?) looking for another stranger to share a tiny, tiny cabin with.
Otherwise, I don't know that any other person has signaled that they've booked, with or without kids.
Fortunately, I think this Kruise is doomed, and I don't mean because the boat will end up on its side in an ocean, or because thousands will contract E. coli.
It's a lot harder to fool people for four months when there's an internet. Not impossible, but harder.
On a differerent site some random guy tweeted that he saw Kate in an airport yesterday. Would explain the twitter silence, eh?
Mel said... 175
On a differerent site some random guy tweeted that he saw Kate in an airport yesterday. Would explain the twitter silence, eh?
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It might confirm why she's loving the weather if she's somewhere other than home.
Wonder who paid? 175, 176
Oh silly me, the kids of course.
1 ANYONE could go on the cruise who can come up with the money.
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Well Admin, based on what has been posted here, it seems that Cindy is screening for "haterz" with the help of at least one sheeple.
Jumping In said...
A retail agency has no way of vetting passengers that I am aware.
No client information can ever be shared with anyone, not even fellow Kate-lover clients. Never
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Jumping In, I absolutely agree with both points. After college I worked for a few years at a major airline, then for a few years at a travel agency. There was never any vetting of passengers that I can recall. They did have to show ID to prove that the name on their ticket was actually theirs (long ago, you could just pass off a plane ticket to someone else, and that person could use it. Not any more). But there were no background checks or vetting processes, even for cruises or tours.
No client information was given out, EVER. If someone called the airline ticket counter and asked if Mr. X was on flight Y, we couldn't say yes or no, for liability/safety reasons.
Unless travel rules have drastically changed, then what Cindy is doing is highly unethical. Even conforming that CJ is booked is a huge no-no.
I have to wonder, though--when she says that all the people booked just love Kate and just want to hang with her--how could she know this? The only way, that I can think of, is because all of them are die-hard fans who tweet her and post on sheeple sites. If that's true, then the numbers for the cruise are very, very low.
KT's not worried about college. Remember when they were doing their estate planning, if something happened to them and Jon wanted them to get their money at like 21 or 25 and KT firmly insisted they get it at 30, which is as far as you can go. Jon kinda looked like he was getting to ready to argue about college and she shut him down.
Otherwise, I don't know that any other person has signaled that they've booked, with or without kids.
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There was some guy named Matt who confirmed that he booked the cruise. It's possible that other families also booked, but aren't on Twitter to talk about it. There were also some teens talking about going, one for her birthday, but nothing has been said lately about it. So if four twitters are going (Gypsi, Nickie, CJ, Peggy) and this Matt person, that couldn't possibly be everyone, could it? Five adults- plus possibly, five children and one tween.
Dallas Lady said... 134
the director understood I KNOW the child's mother very well, but privacy rules are privacy rules and that was a breach of them. We both apologized, all was fine, and my coworker was actually reassured by the level of protection the day care engages in.
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I'm surprised that this daycare didn't have even more protection, not allowing anyone other than the child's parent to enter pass a certain point, if they were concerned about privacy.
At the childcare center I worked at, only the parent or guardian picking up the child was allowed into the classroom area. Any other adults had to remain in the waiting room which was completely enclosed and you couldn't peak into the classrooms. Doors were always locked, so parents had to be buzzed-in twice - once to enter waiting room, then again to enter classroom area (once they completed proper paperwork procedure so we could keep track of who was entering the facility and dropping off/picking up the kids).
It was company policy not to publicly disclose this was a childcare center - no labels on the door, privacy film on all windows, etc. I can only imagine that it wasn't the best first impression for kids, but once they entered the classroom area, it was very kid-friendly after that.
Her twitter has been pretty quiet. We know what that means--kids are with Jon. I wondered why she made it a point to list everything they did yesterday--by 2pm. Why the deadline? Probably because he was picking them up at 2.
Now, why didn't she tell everyone how much the haircuts cost? It's money spent on the kids, after all, so she would have resented every penny of it. She made sure we know how much their Gymboree shirts cost on sale ($3.99), how much she spends on groceries to feed them (when she's crying poor it's $2K per month. When she's bragging about saving money it's 1K per month), how much their eye appointments and their pathetic pretend-school party cost. C'mon, Kate, don't keep us in suspense like this!
Ugh, she makes me want to hurl.
Rhymes, 178:
Well Admin, based on what has been posted here, it seems that Cindy is screening for "haterz" with the help of at least one sheeple.
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So what happens if CJ confirms that a potential booker is a hater? If I called with my credit card ready, will she check with CJ, and if I turned up a non-fan, would I be denied a ticket, or are they so anxious for the money they would look the other way? What if I were a reporter or a pap, neither a hater or a fan, could I go?
I think that denying a ticket based on the vetting of a fan, would border on discrimination.
143 Speaking of creepy, and back on topic, forwarding someone's email without their consent is unethical, full stop.
168 my e mail remained private.
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It doesn't matter if she forwarded it or just told someone what it was. It's just wrong.
Then we have those who use powerful trackers so they can track and even out their readers, even those who never posted on their site.
All in the cause of of a "mother" pimping out "her" 8 CHILDREN.
Tweet, 176:
It might confirm why she's loving the weather if she's somewhere other than home.
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Could it be that she slipped up with the "love this weather," not realizing it was cold at home and a local was going to report on how cold it actually was this morning?
I honestly think they're so desperate for cabin sales that Cindy doesn't care if someone is a fan or hater. Money talks, and that's the end game.
JoannaNY 184 - good point about discrimination and
186, she's not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.
What lifestyle is right! Are we to believe kate sold their privacy, security and entire life to the public yet after all that she cannot afford 3D glasses? What was the point then kate? If you need the show to support you, but it dosen't support you as well as you claim then what the hell was the point of this mess?
Forgot to say that I don't think Kate was spotted in an airport. That tweeter either saw someone who looked like her or was just shit-stirring.
Sailing, Sailing said... 169
The fan with several children who was stalked appeared to be reconsidering the cruise just before she went private on Twitter.
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I believe this is the one that canceled the Disney cruise to go on Kate's. Not sure though.
Anyone who says that the blog comprised of Ignorant Witches is 'classy' or takes the high road is completely ignorant of their past. Their original blog was set up to attack and out people from another blog. Their evil antics have surpassed any other blog. Between the extreme trackers and archiving of comments for years they are pretty out there.
PatK 190
Jason Isbell is a musician just returning from a New Zealand tour with Ryan Adams. Not just some random shit stirrer
http://www.facebook.com/jasonisbellmusic?sk=wall
Jason Isbell
Made it back! Saw Kate plus 8 and a King of Leon and wife in the airport.
Like · · @JasonIsbell on Twitter · 19 hours ago via Twitter
Sailing, Bad Moon: Your list is pretty much what I've figured out as well. You left out one confirmed single woman. There may be two single women (who Cindy is trying to put together) on top of those. I don't think the Matt guy was genuine; his tweet to Kate a couple of months ago to say he was coming looks like his last tweet ever. That said, I don't think there are currently more than 8 who are paying the surcharge for Kate activities. Of course, maybe there are a lot of people signed up who never use Twitter. Guess we'll find out--eventually.
http://www.facebook.com/jasonisbellmusic?sk=wall
Jason Isbell
Made it back! Saw Kate plus 8 and a King of Leon and wife in the airport.
Like · · @JasonIsbell on Twitter · 19 hours ago via Twitter
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Oh we need to find out if this is true. Staycation my ass!!!! So the kids get a staycation then ship them off to Daddy's and Kate gets to VACATION??? Oh Kate just please get that HYPOCRITE tattoo you really should get.
Kate HAS been silent the past few days...
Oh Paige . . .
paige_kate8fan
@XXXXX @XXXXX @MiloandJack @XXXXX @XXXXX EVERYONE HELP GET FANS 2B IN THE B DAY VID FOR KATE WITHOUT HATERS KNOWING
ANOTHER video? Haven't you figured out yet that the ONLY way to Kate's heart is through her WALLET? I'm sure she takes traveler's cheques.
Wait....this Jason guy says he was just coming back from NEW ZEALAND......did I read that right??
Did Kate just run off with Steve to get married? HHEHEH SNARK!
I've been reading a couple blogs and I only feel comfortable asking this here. What is the reason a blog would have a tracker? I read that you don't have one here and that is why I am asking. Why would a blog have one at all? Is there a way I can tell if a blog has one because I would not want to visit any blog that might be tracking me.
Admin, wouldn't that be something? Jason didn't specify which airport he saw Kate Plus 8 (I assume the kids may have been with her therefore drawing more attention to her). I get the feeling he may have seen them Stateside.
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