I don't get VH1, so will have to wait for recaps to discuss.
Boys - I have 2 who are 7.5 and 9. I find at this age, they have spurts of interests that may last for a day, a week, or longer. I have a hard time believing that all her boys like are Lego. Perhaps, that's all she cares to see about her boys.
Most boys (and a lot of girls) are into Minecraft. I am stunned when my boys start discussing this with other kids - it's like they are speaking another language. If they have iPads, they have Minecraft!
And you know what lady? If your boys are really that into Lego, take them to the damn movie! Put a quarter of the effort you put into getting your teenage BFF's concert tix to a boy band they probably won't care about when the time comes to see them.
I wanted to add, that it is a shame that nothing Kate says can be taken just at face value. Like the kids playing w/ dolls or a dog picture, or enjoying a simple night in front of the fireplace. Her motives are always deemed as suspicious, garnering attention for herself, or plotting for a new show because they're lil and cute. News is that they aren't little anymore and being immature for their age is not cute. It's fine if they are immature for their age, but the twitter world doesn't need to know what their development is.
&&&
It is a shame. She did it to herself. She's so transparent and her motives are often so obvious or outed. She didn't just take those twins on the Today show to talk about them, she wanted them to throw their father under the bus. She didn't arrange a cookbook tour to talk about food, she did it to criticize Jon. He's all she talked about. When she does stuff like that all she does is prove Jon's point, as well as our point that everything has a motive for her.
You can't view her behavior with these kids in a vacuum. You can't just say well I know a normal 10 year old who plays with dolls. That may be. We know so much more about these kids, we have context for these kids, where they've been, where they are now, everything she's done to them, their struggles with child development. Something that may be fine for some other kid is apples and oranges for these kids.
It's really the same with the massages. Eh, another kid might love to give a massage or back scratch to mom and mom gives one to them and it's no big deal and something they'll grow out of anyway shortly in a matter of months. But because she has consistently put these kids in a position of constantly stroking her ego, hanging out with her, being preoccupied with her when most kids their age don't give a second thought to their mom or dad, they can barely keep up with friends, school, etc.--we know all the unhealthy things she does and this is just another example. "IT's just a massage" doesn't work in this situation. It's NOT just a massage because you can't look at it in a vacuum like that.
Kelly Hyland from Dance Moms is filing a law suit against the produces of Dance Moms. The suit shows how much abuse can go on in reality tv shows because the children have little legal protection.
Ah, we all know what one of the things wrong with Kate: she can't let go of the past. Kate will forever think of her tups as 4-5 year olds, cause that was when they were at the height of popularity, and Kate can't get past that. She was having the kids watch old DVD of the show, when the tups were little. Kate, they are almost 10. They are individuals, not a set, a team, 6 pk, but individuals, with different likes, ideas. You can't put them all in the same things. You can't do the all for one and one for all crap. I can see in 6 more years the 6 going separate ways. I hope Jon is letting them do separate things.
getofftwitter said... 5 Ah, we all know what one of the things wrong with Kate: she can't let go of the past. Kate will forever think of her tups as 4-5 year olds, cause that was when they were at the height of popularity, and Kate can't get past that. &&&&&&&&
That's what kills me about Mady saying about being filmed "guess what, we're fine." Ok, well it does appear that she and her sister are allowed to pursue outside interests. Their 6 brothers and sisters, not so much. Maybe she wouldn't consider them so annoying if they had something to do. The show ended 2 1/2 years ago. It's shameful that they are not allowed to move on. Not only did they not ask to be born as a 6 pack, they didn't ask to be on tv. Kate seems to think both of those things make it impossible for the tups to do what other almost 10 yr. olds get to do. She is a sorry excuse for a mother.
Milo really had a snit fit on her TL over this massage thing.
As has already been said, try switching it to Jon being the one posting about his daughters giving HIM a massage and putting it out there on Twitter. Milo and Goody would be the first two out of the gate...
Woo Hoo! New CT episode! Can't wait for the hilarious recap! We are watching olympics tonight. Alberta Girl, i'm with you, TFMJG should take all the children to see the Lego Movie! Its great, go see it even if you don't have any children to take you!
PatK said... 9 Milo really had a snit fit on her TL over this massage thing.
As has already been said, try switching it to Jon being the one posting about his daughters giving HIM a massage and putting it out there on Twitter. Milo and Goody would be the first two out of the gate... &&&&&&&&&&
Or, if Jon had taken the twins on two talk shows and tried to coax them to trash Kate. The sheeples heads would have literally exploded. Kate does it..... and it's wholesome bonding time. Grrrrrrrr....
As has already been said, try switching it to Jon being the one posting about his daughters giving HIM a massage and putting it out there on Twitter. Milo and Goody would be the first two out of the gate...
&&&
Exactly. I can tell you right now that inappropriate boundaries with your children is a HALLMARK of abuse, especially sexual abuse. Child abusers do not appreciate and respect children and therefore inappropriate boundaries are very common to see, and very damaging to children. A child whose boundaries are not respected can have all kinds of problems especially with boundaries as adults.
I doubt anything deviant is going on however that is not the point. The point is that a child has a right to having his boundaries respected. The point is also that a child should not bear the heavy burden of being repeatedly charged with making their mother feel good, even if it's just a massage and an evening of entertaining her. That is not their job. They are not emotionally ready to bear such a burden.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 58m @Kateplusmy8 Obviously too many places 2go...too many things 2do...not enough time 4U...Gnite! :)
MILO! Why don't you get it? Nobody could be this dense, not even you. Kate is alongenine hours a day, five days a week, and by her own admittance, has a sitter for 20 some hours. SHE HAS TIME!
Really interesting article written by the woman who wrote a truthful, and brutal obituary when her mom died. While the abuse the children suffered was extreme, she said she wanted to bring awareness to the problem.
I remember when that was first posted some time ago, with so many different opinions here and on the internet about why that should (and should have not) been written.
"She didn't arrange a cookbook tour to talk about food, she did it to criticize Jon."
8888888888888888888888888888888
That's funny. I wonder if it's occurred to her yet that that's the reason THEY had HER on the show. It wasn't about her crookbook, it was for the tabloid factor. They turned the tables on her and she totally missed it. Who got used?
Macey♥ @maceywanty328 1h @Kateplusmy8 good mooring princess
I know this is a typo, but it made me laugh first thing this morning. I can see Kate, trying to moor a ship, singing Anchors Away, or that old gospel standard, "Throw Out The Life Line:"
"This is the life line, oh, tempest tossed men; Baffled by waves of temptation and sin; Wild winds of passion, your strength cannot brave,.."
Barbara Gilmer @BarbGilmer 5m "@LifeTools: Live simply. Dream big. Be grateful. Give love. Laugh lots." @Kateplusmy8
Kate -- live simply? LOL! Dream Big -- check, yes, and a reality tv show isn't happening Be grateful -- NEVER Give love -- More like wants to receive love. Milo does that for her. Laugh lots -- I don't know about that one. Frowns lots, yes.
Kate has always made the boys feel like they had to 'man up' and take care of Mommy- she even asked them on that dude ranch episode if they would.This back massage is part of it, making Mommy feel good. They are children and should not have this burden. Of course it could be an innocent little gesture but it should be kept private- will she EVER learn, I doubt it.
When my boy was little. Once in a blue moon he'd rub my back. It's innocent. I never asked him. But I wouldn't have ever thought to post about it! Weird. Kids will do anything to try to "please" a parent. My step mom used to make me rub her feet. (Gross) I hated it. She was lazy. I was like? Kate and Jon's kids will act out, it's just a matter of time. Try to control 8 teenagers!! Yikes! I feel bad. Because some kids might act out in very wrong ways... Having them for parents? #ageckowouldakeabetterparent
Tucker's Mom said... 199 Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 3m Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs ******* OK, that's officially creepy. ____
OMG yes I mean what 10yr boys want to rub their mother's back???
And why is it all way her getting a back rub from the kids and not the other way around-??
Anonymous, I know you want to blame US for pointing out inappropriate behavior that Kate does and put it all on us for having sick minds (incidentally, this is the same criticism we got when we warned about people like Bill Blankinship before we ever even knew of him), but a quick browse of the internet shows countless grown adults reflecting back on their childhoods in which they were made to give mom or dad a massage and how damaged they feel now from it. Maybe their testimonials will persuade you that we have a point:
1. "My mom has "chronic pain" and I describe it in that way because it seems to be selective. Nonetheless, when I was younger and lived at home, she used to make me give her massages. It started out as back and shoulder rubs and them moved to full body massages. I hated doing it, but she would give me such a guilt trip and over time she had me believing that her pain was caused by the stress of raising me."
2. I went to go live with my dad at 7 from my grandparents. he tried to force me to rub his nasty feet. As a 10 year old I actually told him to **** off. I would get grounded for it. He tried to tell me I should try to please him. it was totally wrong and inappropriate
3. If during your childhood you are treated inappropriately as the parent or spouse of your parent/caretaker, then this can have all sorts of adverse effects. You effectively lose your own childhood, which becomes more about other people's issues and unmet needs (which they have not dealt with and are projecting inappropriately onto you), about fulfilling another or others' needs, rather than your own. Some single parents can slip into these roles, i.e. they do not have a partner and make the child into their partner.
4. Many years ago my brother-in-law was angry because "he wasn't getting enough sex" from my sister. His extreme outrage was obvious in their home so that the children (teen boy, preteen girl) knew all about it. After this had been going on for some time, I was visiting and the husband told me that he was feeling better because he and his daughter were giving each other full body massages each night after dinner. I didn't know what to say. Two years later she went into therapy and told her therapist about this. The therapist said the situation needed to be reported to the authorities.
5. I'm simply amazed at how much shit my mom convinced me to do. she'd have me massage her back for anywhere between 30 minutes to an hour and a half....At some point I also had to make dinner, because I had been "extremely lazy". Followed by getting my younger siblings bathed, and put to bed. Needless to say, this night, I didn't get my homework done. I went to school and explained what happened (I thought every family was how we were.) The teacher called me a liar because "no mother would tell their kids to do their nails rather than do their homework." And when she called my mom to tattle on me, my mom confirmed her speculations that I was a terrible child and was constantly making up lies and being dramatic. I'm still amazed at how ignorant I was/still am and how "normal" I am considering I wasn't allowed to talk to anyone outside of school, and was basically a little all in one housemaid/masseuse/cook/sitter and emotional punching bag for my mom to shit all over.
6. My mom used to make me give her massages and scrape the stains off her teeth. she wanted me to go to school for dental hygiene just so I could take care of her teeth for free. BARF!! She also forced me to bleach her roots but would never dye mine for me ("I'll mess it up and you'll get mad"). Did I mention she went to hair school?
Note that few of these examples actually turned into actual sexual abuse, but the children are all still very damaged from it. If it wasn't so easy to find all these statements from adults who feel so damaged by being made to rub their parents back/feet or massage, you might have a point. Most of them are traumatized by having to step in as a "partner" to the parent and burdened with fulfilling their needs, and not be the child that they were.
Remember on the boat tour how TFW asked the boys if they would always take care of her. It was very odd, and I remember not liking the vibe of it then.
Giving a back rub to your mom or family member isn't wrong IMO. However it is wrong.
When someone is all ways on the receiving end of one like Kate seems to be.
Like I said I have giving my older brother back rub for years and I don't mind way Cause he isn't selfish it's not all about him and when I need something he'll get it for me.
Kate's all ways getting back rubs or something from her kids and we know how lazy and selfish she is.
Anonymous, I know you want to blame US for pointing out inappropriate behavior that Kate does and put it all on us for having sick minds (incidentally, this is the same criticism we got when we warned about people like Bill Blankinship before we ever even knew of him), but a quick browse of the internet shows countless grown adults reflecting back on their childhoods in which they were made to give mom or dad a massage and how damaged they feel now from it. Maybe their testimonials will persuade you that we have a point:
&&&&&&&&&
Yes, and we found out that background checks were not done on any of the crew. This was discovered during the Child Labor hearings.
One thing that stood out for me from TFW's twisted fireside tweet was that hashtag "#lovemyboys." As we've said, she's so transparent -- see, your honor, I love my boys! Look at this hashtag! What parent needs to confirm that they love their children?
But beyond that, it spells out the dynamic -- when she's being served, when her boys are jumping through hoops, when they keep their needs and wants to themselves and do what she wants, then, she loves her boys. Remember the special one-on-one days both parents were supposed to have with each child? TFW skipped the boys' days, claiming she didn't want to drive "hither, thither and yon" for them. Or was that edited in later to make her out to be a villain?
Our concerns for these children are based on facts -- things that came right out of TFW's mouth, and continue to come out of her french-tipped tweeting fingers.
Giving a back rub to your mom or family member isn't wrong IMO. However it is wrong.
When someone is all ways on the receiving end of one like Kate seems to be.
&&&
A common theme in all the children who have issues with this massage is their parents MADE them do it and that they were always taking care of/looking after their need for touch and never the other way around.
If a kid just walks by mom and spontaneously gives her shoulders a quick rub and hugs her, or she does the same to him, that's completely differently and IMO usually normal.
Kate has always made the boys feel like they had to 'man up' and take care of Mommy- she even asked them on that dude ranch episode if they would.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I thought that was on the battleship tour, the one where she told them to shoot at the paps. I remember that they were walking down the stairs when she asked them if they would always take care of her. At that time I thought it was odd for a mom to ask that question of her very young children. Very odd.
TheUnFabulous @Spar_kle_Girl 10m @CJWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 But the haters said Shoka was frozen & there isn't even an icicle hanging from him anywhere #LIARSandTROUBLEMAKERS
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
These sheeple have to be the dumbest group I've ever seen assembled in one place. They just can't think logically. We had a Polar Vortex going on, with 20 inches of snow, sub zero temps, and yes, if that dog was outside, he would have been suffering from extreme cold. However, the past days it has warmed up and there has been considerable melting. Therefore, in 40 and 50 degree temperatures, there would be no icicles on Shoka. That doesn't mean that during the brutal cold and snow storms, if left outside, he wouldn't have been exposed to very cold conditions.
It sounds like an innocent comment, will you take care of your mom?, but to a son that can make them feel very burdened. I think even more than daughters sometimes.
Even an adult son can feel burdened. My friend is almost 30 and his stepfather left his mother over a year ago. She had a boyfriend for a bit but that didn't work out, and she has made a few comments about how she is depressed and lonely and doesn't think she will find someone again. That's all it took for this young man to feel obligated to give up everything on his plate and help her. He gave up his Valentine's Day plans to go be with her and distract her on that day, and he has gone with her on business trips a couple times now, takes her out to dinner or to movie, just so she won't sit around in the hotel room and feel lonely. He had said he wasn't going to go with her this week out of town, and next thing I know he's texting me from the airport saying I couldn't do it she was so pathetic and wanted me to go with her so much. (And the flight was delayed) Sigh. She needs therapy and to tell him this is not necessary and he needs to live his own life and not worry about her, but knowing her she won't.
TheUnFabulous @Spar_kle_Girl 10m @CJWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 But the haters said Shoka was frozen & there isn't even an icicle hanging from him anywhere #LIARSandTROUBLEMAKERS
&&&
That's not what was said. What was said was when the family is playing outside Shoka should play outside. What was said was that when the family is inside, especially on bitter cold days and nights, Shoka too should be inside.
The point being Shoka should be with his pack because dogs are wired to be with their pack. If you don't understand such a basic concept of dog psychology please do not get a dog.
Been MIA because we had a death in the immediate family. Hubby's grandmother, 93, recently passed away peacefully in her sleep. Though it is sad, she had very little quality of life at this stage of the game and in a way, it's much more of a relief to everyone that she's no longer in pain.
Anyway, trying to catch up but I've missed quite a lot and am doing a great deal of scrolling.
Since I don't watch and am not really interested in the CT stuff, I will merely comment to the latest bit of Kate cluelessness.
"Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 3m Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs"
*****************************
I just find it so hard to believe that Kate could be that oblivious to how tweets like this make her look. How could she not see how self-absorbed and narcissistic she comes across?
Me, me, my, my. Also, it would be more convincing that you loved your boys if you didn't express it only after gushing about what they are doing FOR YOU.
And the creep factor is off the charts. I agree with everyone who said that turning that statement around and having Jon gush about how his 9 year old daughters were rubbing his back would have the sheeple up in arms about inappropriateness.
It is becoming ever clearer that Kate has major boundary issues on top of everything else and that those kids really are merely appendages, tools that she uses to stroke her ego.
It is becoming ever clearer that Kate has major boundary issues on top of everything else and that those kids really are merely appendages, tools that she uses to stroke her ego.
****
Boundary issues are a hallmark of a narcissist. I witnessed that. Walking around in PJ's in front of guests/tree trimmers/construction workers who barely knew them, talking about bodily functions, walking into bedrooms without knocking, talking about adult subjects in front of children, not flushing the toilet so the next person who uses it is greeted with a nasty surprise, sleeping in older children's beds with them on a consistent basis instead of giving them their bed and space and going to your own bed. And what the drive bys don't get is that saying someone has boundaries issues does not in any way mean you are saying someone would MOLEST someone. In fact in most of the stories I read about boundaries issues it NEVER went there and I never got a whiff there was anything sexual WHATSOEVER about any of that, never.
A boundary issue is damaging to a child in its own right, whether or not it turns into sexual abuse, and it often never does. They are not one in the same.
I'm sorry, I just see it as creepy, two 10 year old boys giving their Mom a massage in front of the fire, while the other "entertains" her, the picture appears to show a dark room, and then TWEETING about it to the world. Not sure what file this goes into, narcissist, or weirdo. If these kids aren't already messed up and bullied by peers.... I agree certainly double standards, if Jon described such a scene.... She continues to be an idiot but I think she has reached a new level.
I do remember he did say that his cousins or something lived in their same neighborhood and said they and all their filming was a nightmare
&&&&&&&&&&&&&.
Yes, it was Quarryville, which is in southern Lancaster County, but it is not anywhere near either of Kate's former homes or their current home. I wonder to what location he was referring when he made the comment about filming.
"Jon is still acting like a victim of abuse from Kate. He can say that he doesn't deserve to be treated like that, but he won't back it up with any consequences."
I have found, that if a person asks to be shit on, someone will always oblige him/her.
Admin@45 EXACTLY! There doesn't have to be ANY sexual contact or conotations to have it be CREEPY, DISGUSTING and for it to leave scars.It's yet another tactic for the abuser to exert her control. The drivebys can just @&**$ off, and keep their rose colores glasses on, they live in their own universe,
savanah nichols @nichols_savanah 3m @Kateplusmy8 hello Kate, My partner and I were wondering if we could interview you for a school project involving good moms! thnx pls reply
----- -----
I get such a kick out of these sheeple, or new sheeple socks, or whatever they are!
I think that this person needs to get in line in back of the author waiting for Kate to read her new book, or those wanting to know if Kate ever got around to judging that infamous not-a-contest! Unless, of course, there''s payment (or gift cards) involved for the interview.
Thanks for the link Alberta Girl. I would never presume to tell a survivor of abuse how they should feel, what they should say or write, or otherwise pass judgment on how they express their feelings toward their abuser. It's amazing that this person was able to survive so much yet find a place of peace eventually.
A common theme in all the children who have issues with this massage is their parents MADE them do it and that they were always taking care of/looking after their need for touch and never the other way around.
If a kid just walks by mom and spontaneously gives her shoulders a quick rub and hugs her, or she does the same to him, that's completely differently and IMO usually normal. ________________ Exactly a kid should be forced to feel like they should rub their parents back.
My bro all ways ask me if I don't mind giving him a back rub and if I say no he's like Ight no problem.
Sadly, sheeple seem incapable or purposely unwilling to see any viewpoint but their own. No matter how many actual people share their own real life stories and their own feelings about the way they were treated as children, sheeple do a version of "la la la, I can't hear you" and dismiss it. Nothing will ever convince them, and they will never admit they were wrong.
JoyinVirginia said... 15 SQUEEE!!! Michelle Obama is guest on Jimmy Fallon tonight! If you missed out, watch on YouTube tomorrow! Hysterical! __________________________________
And ... she had some very interesting things to say about her daughters just wanting to be normal.
Re: this week's CT and Teen Duck Lips. Does anyone think Dr. Jenn watched any of the Teen Mom episodes w/TDL and Deborah to watch their interactions? It seemed from what I saw last night (and in previous episodes when TDL talked about growing up) that Dr. Jenn bought everything that came out of TDL's mouth - hook, line and sinker about her childhood, the 'sex tape', being abused, drugged, raped, ete, etc. I certainly wouldn't want Deborah as my mom - yikes - but I think TDL is responsible for a huge part of their issues. It seemed that Dr. Jenn was implying that Deborah (appearing very cold and harsh last nite) was the one at fault with poor TDL getting all of her sympathy.
Does anyone think Dr. Jenn watched any of the Teen Mom episodes w/TDL and Deborah to watch their interactions before taping started? It seemed from what I saw last night (and in previous episodes when TDL talked about growing up) that Dr. Jenn bought everything that came out of TDL's mouth - hook, line and sinker about her childhood, the 'sex tape', being abused, drugged, raped, ete, etc. I certainly wouldn't want Deborah as my mom - yikes - but I think TDL is responsible for a huge part of their issues. It seemed that Dr. Jenn was implying that Deborah (appearing very cold and harsh last nite) was the one at fault with poor TDL getting all of her sympathy.
(I think the previous thread hasn't been closed yet. I was wondering why there was so little responses and wondered where you all went to!)
Bringing my comment over- Tucker's Mom said... 118 I watched Jon and Liz's portions of CT. Liz seems introspective and open to fedback, so that's good. Jon is taking her shit because of 2 things- his penis and the fact that Liz is great to his kids and already has her own, and doesn't want more. I think Liz knows this and that's how she gets away with treating him like crap. It's abusive. She speaks to Jon with utter disregard for his feelings, and frankly, his dignity, and Jon just takes it because Liz also can be loving and affectionate. Jon is still acting like a victim of abuse from Kate. He can say that he doesn't deserve to be treated like that, but he won't back it up with any consequences.
I wanted to add, that it is a shame that nothing Kate says can be taken just at face value. Like the kids playing w/ dolls or a dog picture, or enjoying a simple night in front of the fireplace ******************
Nope, you can't take anything TFW says at face value. Why? Because she always has an ulterior motive. When I saw he tweet about the little girls shrieking with delight about her buying Pampers, I immediately thought--she wants a story written. There are a couple people who have trolled her Twitter, and written stories about her tweets to post on the net. She probably thought, "What a great story! They can write, 'Why is Kate Gosselin buying Pampers?', and everyone will click on it because they'll wonder if maybe I'm expecting again". And her night in front of the fire was supposed to be a story about what a great mom she is, spending special time with her sons. Oddly enough, the people who have written stories from her tweets seem to have disappeared, and those stories didn't get written or posted, or something. Has the media shut her out? Did she really go too far with her manipulation of the twins, and she's now blackballed? We can only hope.
Oh, by the way, I made a cake last night and I let two of my sons lick the beaters. Feel free to write a story about it and post it on the net. Be sure to gush about what a great mom I am! Like no other mom has ever let her kids lick the beaters...
You can't view her behavior with these kids in a vacuum. You can't just say well I know a normal 10 year old who plays with dolls. That may be. **** That's right, it's just that these immature behaviors have NEVER been balanced with enriching activities. ZERO photos of any tup on a team, karate, playing an instrument, or doing ANYTHING outside of the compound. Before the sheep start bleeting about Kate not reveal EVERYTHING they kids do, so that's why we don't see it, I say bullshit. You know what was really sad about watching CWS? Seeing the 3 girls' bedroom. First of all, it's a glorified closet in a 6500 sq. foot home. WTF? Worse yet, I saw NOT ONE photo, poster, award or ribbon on the walls or furniture. Again, WTF?
@Kateplusmy8: Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs ======== Creepy in a Bates Motel kind of way!
It's interesting that people are expressing surprise about Kate having her kids massage her or that everything is always about her. It's nothing new. On one of the old episodes (when they were still in their old house), she was lying on the recliner with a blanket tucked around her. One of the little girls (either Alexis or Leah) came by, and Kate said to her, "Will you rub my feet?" Her child could not have been more than 5 years old at the time, and her mother was asking her to rub her feet? It was totally bizarre and disturbing, but she's a narcissist, so the behavior fits.
That's what kills me about Mady saying about being filmed "guess what, we're fine." Ok, well it does appear that she and her sister are allowed to pursue outside interests. Their 6 brothers and sisters, not so much. ****** Kate seemed to give up without even trying. There's just too many of them for her to bond appropriately, spend time with (ps... I think the individual kid's days were just for filming, and were never continued) or encourage interests and development. Kate even said how far behind the tups were with their motor skills. What? She's a SAHM, so you've got to be kidding me. Just look at how old the tups were before they got shoes without velcro. "Eh, what's another year", said Kate in the shoe store, wearing CFM sandals, a short skirt and clingy, cut out top with full hair and make up. Of course, there's time for all that tanning, nail salon and trips to NYC for hair, but teach her kids to tie their shoes? Nah!
To me, the back rub thing does appear a bit creepy. I have no problem with a 10 yr. old giving an occasional neck or shoulder rub-sometimes my grandson will offer to do that for me when he sees me craning my neck and rubbing it myself..
What I find creepy about Kate's sons doing it(if it is true) is:
Not only one boy is doing it but two of them are, while the other one "entertains her".
If this was supposed to be "quality time" spent with them(as per Milo), why does she have her phone at the ready to take a picture of the boy who is entertaining them? Can't she ever just enjoy her children without having her phone constantly by her side?
The most creepiest thing is that she feels the need to even tweet and brag about it. She seems to have this obsessive need to show that her children do indeed love her. She tweeted this back in 2011, referring to M and C:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 27 Jul 2011 GN now all! My big girls have offered to massage my back! I'm thrilled! So off to la la land I go... Tweet ya tomorrow!
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 18 Aug 2011 It's massage X by my 10 yr olds!Has bc pm routine&I'm IN!!! A relaxed me will greet u in am unless these girls tire out b4 I get masage,lol!
Then in 2012:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 18 Apr 2012 Hey all- its back massage night from Mady and Cara..don't wanna miss that (much needed) offer so I'm outta here... GN! Play nice! XO 2 all!
I guess M & C decided it was weird to give massages to their mother, and now she's training the younger kids to do it.
PA Dutch Mom said... 47 I do remember he did say that his cousins or something lived in their same neighborhood and said they and all their filming was a nightmare
&&&&&&&&&&&&&.
Yes, it was Quarryville, which is in southern Lancaster County, but it is not anywhere near either of Kate's former homes or their current home. I wonder to what location he was referring when he made the comment about filming.
(((
True, Im probably closer to Quarryville than TFW is. I didn't get a chance to watch the interview yet.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 16 http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/family-183108960.html?vp=1
Approached by reality television show producers. Will it never end? **** Sounds like she's open to a RTV show- idiot. Also, she boasts about never needing childcare or babysitters because the older kids do it. Ugh... that's not their job, lady! It's yours and your husbands! so stop having kids! Geez, I'd be so resentful if my mother made it my job to care for HER children. When you have to ration your kids' activities down to just one (at least they get that, right?), it's time to tie up some anatomy.
That's funny. I wonder if it's occurred to her yet that that's the reason THEY had HER on the show. It wasn't about her crookbook, it was for the tabloid factor. They turned the tables on her and she totally missed it. Who got used?
PJ ***** Kate knows the score, she just doesn't care. Hell, Kate even boasts about people tuning in to see her because they hate her. Use her for parodies and make fun of her and her family? She loves it! Kathy Griffin made a hysterical video that riffed on Kate's not paying attention to her kids and denying Mady water, and Kate just yucked it up with Kathy on The View. That skit was very defamatory to Jon, too, so yeah, she loved it. Kate knew damn well that timing her lawsuit filing with the release of her book would get her bleached bum hole on more shows.
FYI, Ex Nurse posted a baby update on the previous thread and I wanted to bring it over here so that everyone could see it:
Ex Nurse said... 114 Baby update--Beautiful, healthy boy born this morning! Her mom and I were both at the birth. My daughter-in-law had a very tough, long labor, but came through like a champion. My son--not so much. He was very happy to have both grandmothers there. Baby is perfect, and already nursing.
Formerly Duped said... 23 Kate has always made the boys feel like they had to 'man up' and take care of Mommy- she even asked them on that dude ranch episode if they would.This back massage is part of it, making Mommy feel good. They are children and should not have this burden. Of course it could be an innocent little gesture but it should be kept private- will she EVER learn, I doubt it. ****** My ex was parentified by his mother at an early age- when his dad left at around age 12. His mother put him into the man of the house role, being the oldest boy. She leaned on him for everything and the emotional piece was just off- inappropriate. Not romantic, but just too much of a confidant and emotional leaning post. They were like their own circle of trust that I was not a part of, even as his wife.
I would bet a zillion bucks those kids are not offering to do massages. ITA on reversing it with Jon getting massages from the girls and what outrage there would be.
Tucker's mom . . . 69 I agree. At some point the govt needs to step in and force these type of people from having anymore kids. It's really for their own good. I'm sick of seeing them on RTV.
I don't believe a word of what Farrah says. She is 22 now but agree acts like a spoiled entitled teen. That Teen Mom show really turned out troubled girls.I think Debra is a better person than portrayed although she has her flaws.
PA Dutch Mom -- I believe Johnny Weir said that he had relatives -- cousins or an aunt and uncle, IIRC -- who lived behind the Gosselins when they lived in E-town. Was it his mother who came and picked up TFMJG? The articles I read at the time said "a skater's mother" but I don't recall ever seeing which skater's mother it was who made the drive. The show was either in Connecticut and TFMJG was somewhere in the DC area at the time, or else the show was in the DC area and they needed TFMJG to get there from her home. It was a charity fund raiser for, IIRC the survivors of 9/11 First Responders. At the time, he said TFMJG was very aloof and rude to the skaters and other stars. This is the event where Skeeve barred the ladies' room door and refused to allow a Broadway star to enter -- don't remember her name offhand, but she was in "Hairspray".
"A relaxed me will greet u in am unless these girls tire out b4 I get masage,lol!"
====
And there we have it.
Translated: "Mommy needs her back rubbed so you'd better do it, and do a good job of it or you'll be sorry tomorrow. I don't care how tired you are I'm the one who's exhausted."
As I stated before. They have no choice but to do her bidding. OR ELSE!!
Yes, it was Quarryville, which is in southern Lancaster County, but it is not anywhere near either of Kate's former homes or their current home. I wonder to what location he was referring when he made the comment about filming. ===================
Here's the article where Johnny Weir discusses Kate.
"My cousins' house backs up to the house Jon and Kate lived in," Weir, 25, told us at Elton John and David Furnish's AIDS Foundation benefit.
Weir spent his younger years in Quarrysville, a small Pennsylvania town about 50 miles from his family and Gosselin's neighborhood in Wyomissing. "It's a very small and quiet area," the Olympian explained. "Everyone's like, 'What are paparazzi doing in the middle of Amish country?' It was really annoying for everybody."
Although the article mentions Wyomissing, I think he was really referring to the area that Jon and Kate lived in before moving to Wernersville.
Wow, it's amazing how many times she's mentioned them massaging them. Sounds like they're expected to do so regularly just like the statements from other kids I posted. So creepy.
The more I think about it . . . Hmmm . . . She probably tweeted about the so called massages so that ROL would pick up the story. This is just not normal behavior. I feel sorry for those boys. Their poor little hands are probably so tired. Especially after having to do the massages and all the chores.
Mel said... 31 Remember on the boat tour how TFW asked the boys if they would always take care of her. It was very odd, and I remember not liking the vibe of it then. ******* That was/is a really f*cked up thing to say to your young child, especially right after divorce. Admin is right, you can't look at the boys massaging Kate in a vacuum.
One of my favorite shows on Food Network is Chopped. I've watched their new show from Canada featuring Tori Spelling's husband as the host. Is the show even televised in Canada and what do Canadians think of him regarding his current reported infidelity taking place in Canada? According to some sources, this is his 5th marital infidelity. I really enjoy Chopped, but I feel that him being the host takes away from the show. I know he won a celebrity cook off on the network, but because of his alleged infidelities and recent rehab (reportedly for sex addition) it takes away from the show. I just feel at this point, they should find a new host if the show continues after the first season.
chefsummer said... 36 And is putting it on her twitter feed so strangers/sheep can see how "she's a good mom" ****** You know the massages are not spontaneous- it's a guilt trip. "I made you dinner!" so this is how they "thank" her, because Kate must be thanked profusely for every. single. meal. Even if it's just flipping and moving chicken on a fire after someone else does all the prep work.
If a kid just walks by mom and spontaneously gives her shoulders a quick rub and hugs her, or she does the same to him, that's completely differently and IMO usually normal. ***** Wow, I just had a memory for long, long ago. I used to rub my Dad's shoulders from time to time when he was driving and I was sitting behind him (yeah, seat belts weren't what they are today!). He never, ever asked. I just thought that he was working so hard doing the driving. Oh, I was like 5-6 ;-)
PA Dutch Mom said... 39 Kate has always made the boys feel like they had to 'man up' and take care of Mommy- she even asked them on that dude ranch episode if they would.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I thought that was on the battleship tour, the one where she told them to shoot at the paps ***** I know one time Kate told a boy to "man up" was when they were walking to the farm to get free milk. That bitch could have easily sent someone from the crew back to the house to get comfy shoes while they waited, but you know, time is money when your filming!
Waking with blisters is like dying from a thousand paper cuts. There's little worse when you have to ambulate but each step is bloody and painful, and you have no bandaid. Yeah, Ms. Organized had no bandaids. Eight kids. No bandaids. Idiot.
BTW, DH and I were just in Wilmington, NC and visited the U.S.S. North Carolina. The paps were really a good distance away from Kate and the boys when she made a Federal Case out of it. Up on the deck, the paps really couldn't get a good line of sight for shooting and they were not as close as the TLC cameras made them out to be. There was simply no reason to even acknowledge the paps while having time with the boys, and burden them with a something that really wasn't a nuisance to begin with, let alone incite violent thoughts in their heads (sorry, little kids take everything literally and don't develop sarcasm and irony until later).
Winsomeone said... 48 "Jon is still acting like a victim of abuse from Kate. He can say that he doesn't deserve to be treated like that, but he won't back it up with any consequences."
I have found, that if a person asks to be shit on, someone will always oblige him/her. ***** Funny how that always seems to sort itself out. I think it's the energy you put out there.
It is sort of out of character for Kate to want her "icky boys" to put their hands on her. When Aaiden was very young she was clipping his nails and she just shuddered about how "dirty" boys are, or something to that effect. She is disgusting.
When I saw he tweet about the little girls shrieking with delight about her buying Pampers, I immediately thought--she wants a story written. There are a couple people who have trolled her Twitter, and written stories about her tweets to post on the net. She probably thought, "What a great story! They can write, 'Why is Kate Gosselin buying Pampers?', and everyone will click on it because they'll wonder if maybe I'm expecting again" ***** How many shows and media outlets to did go on to say she didn't have a facelift?
Oddly enough, the people who have written stories from her tweets seem to have disappeared, and those stories didn't get written or posted, or something. Has the media shut her out? Did she really go too far with her manipulation of the twins, and she's now blackballed? We can only hope. ****** I've noticed that, too. Not every Tweet gets turned into 4 paragraphs of drivel on Gather etc>
Oh, and Kate made sure to tell the store clerks that the Pampers were for dolls, not her, because you know that rumor will top the headlines-if not lead to a Special Report breaking in during Dr. Phil.
From Kate's tweets, it seems like age 10 is when the kids get wrangled into nightly massages. I can't believe the twins wanted to massage their mother every night. Creepy. I'm willing to be that Kate has never massaged, rubbed or otherwise soothed any of the kids. She held her constipated boy for a whole 3 seconds before pushing him off her lap, after he'd been crying and whining for her the whole time. She also took her good old time picking out free beds, knowing that one of the boys was in PAIN.
DJ said... 85 I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Are some of you projecting your own uncomfortable feelings from past experiences? ________
I'm not uncomfortable with it as I said I have given my brother back rubs for years.
But it was never in front of a fire and he never tweeted about it to strangers.
I agree. At some point the govt needs to step in and force these type of people from having anymore kids. It's really for their own good. I'm sick of seeing them on RTV. ____________
I hope you're being facetious. Hitler tried that. It cost 60 million lives.
DJ said... 85 I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Are some of you projecting your own uncomfortable feelings from past experiences? February 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM **** In and of itself, no there's nothing wrong with a child giving a massage in passing, unsolicited. I simply do not believe that to be the case with Kate. We know the twins were giving her nightly massages at the boys age, and that is wrong. And come on, 10 year old boys giving their mom a massage is just 'off'.
I think I'll start referring to TFW as "Kate the Creep." She is so inappropriate in her interactions with her children.
When my sisters and I were young, we liked to do what we called "hair styling" on my mom's hair. She would always let us if we asked. She'd sit on the floor in front of the couch and I would brush her hair into all different styles. Sometimes up in a bun, sometimes braid it, or just brush it in all different directions. She'd sit there with her eyes closed and sort of drift off.
It wasn't until we were older that we realized it was like a little mini scalp massage for her. LOL
The difference was 1. She never requested we do this. It was a game one of us came up with. So sometimes one of us girls would be in the mood to do "hair styles" and our mom would oblige.
2. It was something fun for us. As I said, we were clueless that this was also something that was relaxing for our mom. So we did it for "selfish" rather than "selfless" reasons. We initiated it, and we could stop after 2 minutes or 10, it was up to us. It was never an obligation.
3. My mom did so many things for us kids, every day of our life. Little things that we didn't even notice, like making sure we had the kind of chips we liked in our lunches, or finding our favorite stuffed animal at bedtime. The more I read about how Kate treats her children, the more I feel like I led a charmed childhood. I almost feel guilty!
I remember that! I was grossed out at her clipping nails in the living room, and her comments.She also stated during the 'traditional flag cake' baking with the girls, 'let's face it, boys are icky' or something like that, and little Joel looked so disappoints he was not allowed to help as he walked away.
(Leslie) Kate's twitter followers has not increased in probably 2 weeks or more. It has been at exactly 190,000 followers. Not one person has signed up to follow her in the past 2 weeks. She must not be buying any followers lately. You would like at least a few people would have signed up in the past 2 weeks because hundreds./thousands signed up just prior to that.
And has ANYONE tweeted to Kate that they received her cookbook because they were a winner in her contest. If she sent out 12 books then you would think a great majority of them would tweet to her that they received her book.
So she gets a ten/ten rating for dinner and a back rub while the kids tell her that she need a cooking show.
And her fans say's it's all about the kids. ***** Yes, this is why we're not projecting here. Look at the whole pictures. The kids sit at the kitchen island, ensorcelled by Kate's cooking, cheering her on to get her own cooking show, giving her at least an 8/10 for each and every meal, thank her for making the meal and then give her a massage. See now why there's something just not right in Denmark?
I think every parent joking say "Will you take care of me when I'm old"- My mom said it.
--------------
Yes, they may say it to older kids, but to say it to a five-year-old is just really strange. What child that age ever thinks his parents are going to get old, and if they are mature enough to know what it means, wouldn't they worry about it happening?
(Leslie) And I remember Kate tweeting that the twins would come into her room at night and massaging her legs. Also on J&KPlus8 she mentioned how she loved the kids walking on back and massaging her. Again, it is all about her comfort over and over and over again... year after year after year
You know the massages are not spontaneous- it's a guilt trip. "I made you dinner!" so this is how they "thank" her, because Kate must be thanked profusely for every. single. meal. ==========================
Remember, when Kate used to write a blog for TLC? I found this old blog she wrote back in 2011, titled "How Legos Brought Peace and Teamwork to My House (For a Little While, At Least)". She writes about how she went out and got Legos for the kids, and how they all played with them while she ran on her tread mill. Then because it was so "exhaustingish" for her, she writes:
"Once I had exhausted my final burst of energy for the day, I laid on the floor and asked for some volunteers to massage my back... Or arms or legs.. Any part of my aching body, please. The littles, in a bedtime avoidance attempt, all willingly agreed. And ahhhh... Their little strong hands covered my entire body with expertise allowing me to relax a bit (in between argument of who took which body part)!"
This was when the tups were 7 years old!! Talk about creepy!!
Seems likes teaching teamwork to her kids includes having them work as a team to make Mommy happy.
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · 11m @Kateplusmy8 a mirror is a reflection of you and how you see yourself. People can talk all they want but they have no idea about the real u
Does Lauren realize that this also applies to her, Milo, and the rest of Kate's tweeties, or does she think it only applies to the "bullies" that she sees on Kate's timeline?
Winsomeone said... 48 ''I have found, that if a person asks to be shit on, someone will always oblige him/her.'' ~~~~~~~~ Exactly. My father always said to us: If you're going to be a door mat, don't bitch when people wipe their feet on you!
Millicent said... 55 ''Sadly, sheeple seem incapable or purposely unwilling to see any viewpoint but their own. No matter how many actual people share their own real life stories and their own feelings about the way they were treated as children, sheeple do a version of "la la la, I can't hear you" and dismiss it. Nothing will ever convince them, and they will never admit they were wrong.'' ~~~~~~~~~~ Exactly. I think they're being deliberately obtuse!! !!!!!!
And come on, 10 year old boys giving their mom a massage is just 'off'.
-----------
And then to tweet about it is REALLY off, knowing that some tabs may pick it up, it gets posted, and their peers find out about it. That's just wrong. Gosh, she just doesn't think...never has, never will.
DJ said... 85 ''I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Are some of you projecting your own uncomfortable feelings from past experiences?'' ~~~~~~ The short answer to your question is NO. The longer answer is you are as transparent as TCFW blah blah blah blahblahblah
I agree. At some point the govt needs to step in and force these type of people from having anymore kids. It's really for their own good. I'm sick of seeing them on RTV. ____________
I hope you're being facetious. Hitler tried that. It cost 60 million lives.
----------------
I thought the poster was being facetious. That comment couldn't be taken in seriousness.
I'm not projecting. My parents never asked me to massage them and I never volunteered. My mom scratched MY back once in awhile while watching tv and it felt good and was something I wanted. I never scratched hers. No issues there. I do however have a vast amount of experience in family law and child abuse and exploitation issues and can only say from experience that I see major boundary issues here.
Besides, shouldn't we listen to an adult "projecting" from their own experiences? If someone is so traumatized by childhood massages they are projecting, that's a red flag something is wrong with it.
The name of the girl that was denied up on stage was Nikki Blonsky. She had ran to the bathroom and came back and TCFW and Steve were there getting ready to go on stage and Nikki came running back to go up to the stage and Steve stopped her and wouldn't let her.
Here is the whole story and with Johnny Weir's account of the TCFW.
TCFW and Steve rode in a limo with a divider for 5 hours there and 5 hours back. For. A. One. Minute. Speech. And. Introduction.
What would they be doing in the back of the limo for 10 hours? Working on the cookbook? Steve massaging her back? Licking her foot? The possibilities are endless!
I can tell you that everyone finding the "kids massage Kate" posts is disturbing. It is beyond obvious that she asks for massages, all over her body and has for YEARS. I'm sure that "no" is not an option, unless they want some sort of negative consequence. That, or they do it for favors from Kate. There's nothing spontaneous about it.
Kate is a twit said... 113 (quoting TCFW) "Once I had exhausted my final burst of energy for the day, I laid on the floor and asked for some volunteers to massage my back... Or arms or legs.. Any part of my aching body, please. The littles, in a bedtime avoidance attempt, all willingly agreed. And ahhhh... Their little strong hands covered my entire body with expertise allowing me to relax a bit (in between argument of who took which body part)!" ~~~~~~~~~~ Oh. My. Word! How can anyone read that and not see how creepy it is? She tweeted for a long time that the twins would come to her bed at night and massage her. I suppose if she thought it was wonderful to have two giving her a massage, it is even better to have two ''icky'' boys doing the same while having the third boy ''entertain'' her.
When I think of how awful I thought it was for her to have Jon's eight children do so much house work, it is even worse to see that after they did all her work, they then must massage her ''tired'' and/or ''stressed'' body.
My mind is reeling trying to not think about how horrible their life is when not with Jon.
Sorry, if this is a repeat, but when I posted about who the girl was that was denied to go up on stage, I got the error that the comment box cannot be empty.
The girl was Nikki Blonsky from Hairspray with John Travolta. Steve stopped her from going on stage. Steve also stopped Jill from RHWNJ because Jill had to use the restroom and Steve stopped her from going into the bathroom because TCFW was in the bathroom by herself, but there were other stalls. Jill told Alex that she would ruin her.
Also, TCFW and Steve rode to the Charity Ice Skate event in a limo with divider for 5 hours there and 5 hours back. What on earth would they be doing for 10 total hours?
Working on the original cookbook? Steve massaging her back? Licking her foot? The possibilities are endless.
Oh. My. Word! How can anyone read that and not see how creepy it is? She tweeted for a long time that the twins would come to her bed at night and massage her.
--------------------
I remember at the time I thought that was strange, and I still do, even though it was the girls. I never once massaged my mom. Having the boys do it is even more weird, and it's not projecting.
I don't get the appeal of a massage from a kid. Maybe a professional one, I don't know. I've never had a desire for one. What is the appeal? I used to ask my daughter to walk on my back sometimes when she was small but mostly because she got a kick out of it.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4h When we ask for help, we give people the opportunity to contribute to our need! In so doing, we honor them as well. :)
I guess this explains why Milo thinks Kate is such a great person. By grifting and getting freebies, Kate is actually "honoring" the people who give her contributions.
So I guess for Milo and for Kate, it's always better to receive than give, because you're actually doing those that give a favor.
Someone asked about Chopped Canada, and it's host Dean McDermott and his infidelities. The show does air here in Canada, but honestly, I don't think anyone really pays too much attention to him. I didn't know who he was, until he cheated on his first wife, Mary Jo Eustache, who was actually well known in Canada for her cooking show.
He seems like a douchebag to me, and I think he may have renounced his Canadian citizenship and become American. Canadians don't take too kindly to that - just ask Conrad Black!
Blowing In The Wind said... 126 They do tend to exaggerate, though. It's not a five hour drive to Danbury. It's about three hours and 45 minutes.
++++++++++++++++++
Maybe Kate WANTED it to be five hours and stretched it out, but it's under four. My friend's son goes to Western CT State in Danbury and she can make it (on a good day) in about 3 1/2 hours. Of course, she does tend to be a little heavy on the metal.
eek, her 'entire body' makes this sound very odd. I recall in IJWYTK she wrote how she wanted the boys to drive their toy trucks all over her body because it felt so good- this is when Hannah dropped a china piggy-bank on her forehead and she says she still has a scar.(Go Hannah- j/k)
It makes me sick that she would even allow her boys to "massage her" AT ALL! Then tweet about it! Can't imagine the backlash from their peers! Can you imagine? Known fact: Massages do feel good. But her little BOYS! Being the maseuses? Mine never did and I never asked them. I got my husband to do it as I would for him!
I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!
None.
Those poor boys and girls! I would help what I could to help my mother when I was around 7 or 8. My mother was stricken with cystitis, where your bladder is so thin when urine gets there, it is extremely painful. Her dr. told her 40 years ago that he had a list of 16 patients that had it as bad as her and he said 1-8 had committed suicide. She would be in so much pain on the couch and sobbing and I would go and get a wet washcloth and roll it up and put it on her forehead. She would rub my hand and tell me she loved me. And I would hug her. She rarely took pain meds. She has and has suffered with this affliction for almost 60 years.
I want to cry when I think about it. And the boys having to massage their mother.
Joel is in time-out for "lying". What happened is he wet his pants and changed himself obviously because he knew his "mommy" would have a fit (we know very well how she handled potty training). She must have really given them hell for any accidents. And instead of saying he was good for changing himself he gets in trouble for that too. Those kids cannot win.
Interesting that Michelle Obama said that her 12 & 15 year olds want NOTHING to do with their parents. Hmmm....
And what's with the excessively flowery prose from TFW anyway? Sounds like a 4th grader trying waaay too hard to call attention to herself.
She probably writes that way because most of it isn't true. As in, yes they massaged her, but only because she ordered it be done upon penalty of severeness.
Asking if a kid will take care of you when you're old is ok when they are older and understand what it means and everybody understands that it's a joke.
Not ok when they're little and rely on you for everything. And certainly not when they've just had their dad yanked away from them. Nothing like terrorizing little kids. But that's what she's good at. Anything to have them be on uncertain ground.
And she was asking in the connotation of the boys taking the place of her partner. No, no, no. Not good.
In my early teens when I complained about growing pains in my legs, my dad would occasionally come upstairs at bedtime and rub them from the knee down. He would rub hard and quickly to loosen the muscles and then immediately tuck the blankets around them to keep them warm. It would ease the pain enough that I could fall asleep quickly. He would then say goodnight to me, turn out the light and go back downstairs. I could never imagine going into his room and massaging his back until he fell asleep.
Asking pre-pubescent boys for a massage is more than inappropriate. It's not fair to them and could cause a whole lot of confusion on their part.
How is using your own life experience as a reference slammed as "projecting?" I'll answer that -- when you're trying to deflect from the issue at hand. We're all bananas, and yet TFW's own timeline has detailed a history of her using her children as her own personal masseurs and masseuses, again and again.
And it bears repeating: what, in the name of Farmer Henry, is that woman exhausted from?!
lukebandit said... 134 It makes me sick that she would even allow her boys to "massage her" AT ALL! Then tweet about it! Can't imagine the backlash from their peers! Can you imagine? Known fact: Massages do feel good. But her little BOYS! Being the maseuses? Mine never did and I never asked them. I got my husband to do it as I would for him!
I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!
None.
Those poor boys and girls! I would help what I could to help my mother when I was around 7 or 8. My mother was stricken with cystitis, where your bladder is so thin when urine gets there, it is extremely painful. Her dr. told her 40 years ago that he had a list of 16 patients that had it as bad as her and he said 1-8 had committed suicide. She would be in so much pain on the couch and sobbing and I would go and get a wet washcloth and roll it up and put it on her forehead. She would rub my hand and tell me she loved me. And I would hug her. She rarely took pain meds. She has and has suffered with this affliction for almost 60 years.
((((
Interstitial Cystitis? I have that too. I was in severe pain for a few years until I finally thank God got some relief from Neurontin and physical therapy. Yes, it's a very debilitating condition. Your poor mom.
I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!
what, in the name of Farmer Henry, is that woman exhausted from?! ---------- Good grief! Don't you know that the poor thing has to mastermind *everything*????
Blowing in the Wind - I think every parent joking say "Will you take care of me when I'm old"- My mom said it.
--------------
"Yes, they may say it to older kids, but to say it to a five-year-old is just really strange. What child that age ever thinks his parents are going to get old, and if they are mature enough to know what it means, wouldn't they worry about it happening?" --------------- My 9 yr old would be extremely worried if he had to think about it. He's a "young nine" in some ways and I can not imagine putting that on him.
Anonymous said... 142 ''Why are comments as outrageous as this allowed on a moderated blog? My god.'' lukebandit said... 134 ''I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!'' ~~~~~~~~~ Outrageous? Maybe the comment was allowed because it is NOT outrageous? It is not impossible to imagine that TCFW actually IS making the comments lukebandit is worrying about. Such comments would mean one thing when at a spa talking to the person giving the massage, and suddenly pass into an entirely different territory when your young boys are doing the massaging!
And it bears repeating: what, in the name of Farmer Henry, is that woman exhausted from?! ****** I can't imagine how much she bitched to her patients. Now nurses have really hard physical work. When I covered inpatients in the hospital and did floor work, treating patients in their rooms, that was the most physically demanding of all the areas I worked in. Transferring patients in close quarters is a bitch!
Joel is in time-out for "lying". What happened is he wet his pants and changed himself obviously because he knew his "mommy" would have a fit (we know very well how she handled potty training). She must have really given them hell for any accidents. And instead of saying he was good for changing himself he gets in trouble for that too. Those kids cannot win. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Thank you and everyone else who finds these video links, they are concrete video proof of what an irrational witch she is. She wasn't edited to look like she was giving him a time out. He wasn't in time out for lying, he was in time out for trying to avoid her wrath. She was letting him know that there is no escaping her wrath, no matter how much he tried to avoid it. And she had the nerve to write in her journal that she didn't understand why some of the kids were so defiant. Gee, I can't either :(
I remember my kids changing themselves after an accident and I smile when I think about the mismatched shorts or pants, put on backwards :) It melted my heart. I can't even began to imagine how you could get angry at a child for taking care of himself.
Joel is in time-out for "lying". What happened is he wet his pants and changed himself obviously because he knew his "mommy" would have a fit (we know very well how she handled potty training) ****** It is very telling that a little boy would think to change himself lest his mother discovered he had an accident. Chrissakes, I'm house training my puppy and his accidents get no response from me. I simply clean it up and redouble my efforts to get him outside to go frequently. Punishing does no good for a dog, let alone a child. Then again, "we're not dogs", so there's that.
Yes it's creepy that she has her boys giving her a massage but I have to agree with Anon@142.
**I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!**
Sometimes we, as posters, can take it too far and imagine things that just aren't there and there are those on twitter that will take any negative statement and run with it. And that's creepy.
People were also saying she was laying prone? She never said that. In fact if the one was entertaining her I assume she was sitting up. That's creepy enough but no need to embellish
Kate is a twit said... "Once I had exhausted my final burst of energy for the day, I laid on the floor and asked for some volunteers to massage my back... Or arms or legs.. Any part of my aching body, please. The littles, in a bedtime avoidance attempt, all willingly agreed. And ahhhh... Their little strong hands covered my entire body with expertise allowing me to relax a bit (in between argument of who took which body part)!" ------ Oy--I think I need a cigarette
Had an exciting night--DIL had very hard labor with Pitocin. Both grandmas were there for labor and delivery. What an unbelievable experience to see this little soul come into the world, and witnessing the moment that our children transitioned into parents.
On an odd note, our grandson was born on my 34th wedding anniversary. My husband (in name only) was there a few hours after the baby was born, and we had a celebratory breakfast together. This baby is a powerful motivator to keep things friendly and co-operative. I don't know how Kate manages to sustain the level of anger required for her daily parental alienation. No wonder she is exhausted--she must work hard at it every day.
Blowing In The Wind said... 126 They do tend to exaggerate, though. It's not a five hour drive to Danbury. It's about three hours and 45 minutes. ------------ According to the article, KK and Steve weren't coming from PA, they were coming from Washington, DC. That does make it five hours. No idea why they were there.
Joy in Virginia - I enjoy your posts. I did watch Jimmy Fallon and did not see anything funny. What did I miss? I hope no one will be jealous but I live a few minutes from Kate's former number one fan, Barb G. Maybe I will see her at Target someday?
I don't think the American girl hockey girl players were crying because they were being poor sports. I think they were crying because they had the game in the bag and in three minutes that changed, which makes any sports player feel like a failure, especially since for most of the game Canada couldn't even set up a play and were basically being owned by the U.S. I imagine they were just plain exhausted too. Holding a team with that kind of talent the way they did must have taken every bit of their effort. It was pretty bad up until the past three minutes when Canada finally got it together and the rest was history.
They all played a hard game into even overtime. They are entitled to a few tears without being accused of anything. Now I myself was crying like a real baby because I had a fantastic game spoiled for me. :)
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 161 I don't think the American girl hockey girl players were crying because they were being poor sports. I think they were crying because they had the game in the bag and in three minutes that changed, which makes any sports player feel like a failure, especially since for most of the game ****** It's such a shame that the hockey game turned on a dime at the last moment. I just thought the US team shouldn't have sulked so much- they became the story instead of the gold medal winners, which detracted from "their" moment.
Women's hockey game - obviously, being Canadian, the outcome was fantastic for us. I probably would be crying too if I lost a game like that. They did have it in the bag. And these 2 teams have a very fierce rival, and have for years. It was a very entertaining game that had everyone on the edge of their seat.
According to the article, KK and Steve weren't coming from PA, they were coming from Washington, DC. That does make it five hours. No idea why they were there.
+++++++++++
Someone posted it was five hours going to Danbury and five hours coming back,a 10-hour trip. Were they going back to DC as well? If so, I wonder why.
I didn't see them sulking that's all. I've been in the shoes of getting SOO far in a tournament then not quite making it, although on obviously a much smaller level in high school sports. It's crushing for anyone. You're not sulking or being a bad sport, you're just mentally and emotionally exhausted, defeated, and in this case shocked. Throw in all the media and spectators and pressure from your country to win and it's a recipe for a few tears! You're over it in short order. The winners often cry too, it's just an emotion you can't control when all the adrenaline is coursing through you then suddenly is cut off. They don't call it the agony of defeat for nothing.
They all skated out there two minutes later and shook hands. If they were throwing sticks or cursing or refusing to shake hands that's another matter. They were just letting a few tears slip down their cheeks, and not everyone was doing it.
Over In TFW's County said... 164 According to the article, KK and Steve weren't coming from PA, they were coming from Washington, DC. That does make it five hours. No idea why they were there. ****** Steve lives just outside of DC, so they might have been staying there or in town for lunch/shopping. I don't get why though.
Yeah, Alberta, quite honestly I think too much pressure has been put on the USA women's team to beat the Canadians and have the US be taken seriously in hockey. Canada has won gold in Salt Lake City, Turin, and Vancouver. It's just built and built and built. They were SOO close to finally doing what the U.S. had demanded of them and shut them down and then they let it slip away.
Most of the girls are only 21 or 22. That's too much pressure for such a young woman. They should be left to just play the game and not worry about this bigger idea of "hockey being taken seriously". Hockey is everything in Canada, and due to their weather and rinks everywhere and culture, they get a lot more playing time and support. Hockey is not given the same courtesy here. It is very popular where I am from but almost nonexistent in other parts of the country. Even where I was from, it had very negative connotations. You hear things all the time like, Well little Mike loves hockey but I hope he grows out of it because it's so expensive all this equipment. I'm glad little Suzy is making friends but I hate going to the games because I'm driving all over creation for them and it's so cold! It's very negative.
There is only one girl on the team from a warm state, Arizona. The rest of the team is from Minnesota, Ohio, Wisconsin, and New England. When you're only pulling from a few northern cities, of course it will be very difficult to build a team that might upset Canada. I don't know, I actually really felt for the girls and thought they handled it quite well.
Anonymous said... 142 ''Why are comments as outrageous as this allowed on a moderated blog? My god.'' lukebandit said... 134 ''I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!'' ~~~~~~~~~ Outrageous? Maybe the comment was allowed because it is NOT outrageous? It is not impossible to imagine that TCFW actually IS making the comments lukebandit is worrying about. Such comments would mean one thing when at a spa talking to the person giving the massage, and suddenly pass into an entirely different territory when your young boys are doing the massaging!
++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++
I wouldn't say that it's outrageous, but I do think that it is taking speculation just a bit too far, imaging scenarios that may or may not have been there. We just on't know. Yes, Kate is the way she is. Yes, Kate is a narcissist. No, Kate shouldn't have embarrassed her boys and tweeted she was getting a back rub, but gosh, in my opinion, setting up a scene with moaning and groaning is really over the top.
I should also add growing up hockey was one of the last sports where there really wasn't a girls team. In fact girls teams in other sports were such a fact of life I remember feeling very confused why there wasn't one for hockey. If you were a girl who wanted to play you'd have to hang with the boys and be teased and bullied for it and have your parents worried the boys would hurt you, or play some other sport. Most girls chose another sport like lacrosse or basketball.
All the more reason it has been amazing a USA women's team has made it this far.
Tuckers mom: I agree, with that big of a house. I see the Brady Bunch effect. Three girls in one room, and three boys in the other. Sound like Brady bunch? Remember Mr. Brady, was an architect, who could have easily, add rooms to that house. Got rid of Alice, added 3 rooms to the attic. No! 3 kids & 3 kids and 1 bathroom. They were the winners of kid drama in the house. Could not have been much of an architect if he could not have figured that out. The Brady Bunch was to be promo for a perfect blended family. Sorry, I knew a lot of blended families, growing up, when it was not a common thing, and most of the kids, did not get along. The younger they were under 6, they just accepted, the new parent, but by school age it was very different. Some of my friends, would talk about, kid wars in their houses. The Brady bunch was a fantasy.
Discovery Communications is also in Silver Spring, just minutes from D.C. I can see how someone might say they came from "D.C." when it was really Maryland. My cousin lives there. Most people in Silver Spring tell people they live in D.C. or just outside D.C. I'm pretty sure Kate had to go to periodic meetings at their offices there, as she was often spotted in the area.
We have a family from Canada renting a house a couple doors down. They have one daughter (12-13 yo or so) and hockey is her life. She's so outgoing and cute, and we hear her making slap shots all the time into her net. Her dad is really involved and takes her to practices and games several times a week. It's really serious.
We have a family from Canada renting a house a couple doors down. They have one daughter (12-13 yo or so) and hockey is her life. She's so outgoing and cute, and we hear her making slap shots all the time into her net. Her dad is really involved and takes her to practices and games several times a week. It's really serious.
&&&
All this stuff plays a role in Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 hours theory and other theories. In fact hockey is one of his biggest examples, since most players have birthdays in the winter, at the beginning of the cut off so they were the biggest kids on the team and given the most playing time which translates into growing into the best players.
Many USA parents here don't know nearly as much about hockey or played nearly as much to be out there every day helping their girl develop her talents. But in Canada this is totally normal. You don't buy your kid a hockey net, you buy them a basketball hoop or a glove. A dad is more apt to get his little girl a softball glove and throw that around as opposed to get her a stick.
All these things play a huge role in being able to have that same girl be able to hang with Canadian Olympians 15 years later. We can't. They were the better team who could pull it off in a clutch position.
Hey, Canada puts hockey players on their CURRENCY, that should tell you something!
Over In TFW's County said - No, Kate shouldn't have embarrassed her boys and tweeted she was getting a back rub, but gosh, in my opinion, setting up a scene with moaning and groaning is really over the top. ======== I agree 100%.
Hey, Canada puts hockey players on their CURRENCY, that should tell you something! February 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM ******* It's a religious experience. Good luck to Canada in the men's final, btw, and hopefully, the U.S. men can secure bronze.
Remember Mr. Brady, was an architect, who could have easily, add rooms to that house. Got rid of Alice, added 3 rooms to the attic. No! 3 kids & 3 kids and 1 bathroom. They were the winners of kid drama in the house. Could not have been much of an architect if he could not have figured that out.
+++++++++++++++
It was a sitcom, not a reality television show about remodeling construction! I doubt that putting on an addition to the house would have drawn in the viewers. The show dealt with sibling rivalry and pre-teen (and then teen) problems, not their father's expertise with blueprints.
In Chicago, someone put on a billboard, by the expressway : a pic of one member of the American team of hockey and a member of the Canadian team member, with Justin Bieber in the middle. With a caption saying: Loser keeps Bieber. Dam! we lost! LOLOL
Women's hockey in Michigan is pretty normal. We have high school girls teams and peewee hockey for girls.
&&&
Yes that's my point, only a few northern cities really treat hockey as seriously as Canada does. Girls teams are nonexistent or on very small scales throughout the rest of the country. As you can see from the roster, almost all the girls are from areas that take hockey seriously. That narrows the playing field when you're picking teams that can compete against Canada to a much smaller population. Whereas when picking a baseball team or basketball team, the talent out there from high school boys is just endless and nationwide.
getofftwitter said... 176 In Chicago, someone put on a billboard, by the expressway : a pic of one member of the American team of hockey and a member of the Canadian team member, with Justin Bieber in the middle. With a caption saying: Loser keeps Bieber. Dam! we lost! LOLOL ****** I saw that! Yup, we got the sh*t end of the stick on that one.
Yes, hockey is life for some people here, that's for sure. When I was growing up, they didnt really have girls hockey teams - we has to play ringette, which is a bastardized version of hockey.
To tell you the truth, while there are still many kids who are into it, participation in the sport has declined over the last 20 years. While my own boys enjoy watching it, they have had no interest in playing ice hockey. They will play road hockey with their friends, but mine play soccer pretty much year round.
And there are so many more activities for kids to get into as well. Along with the usual swimming and skating lessons, mine have tried rock climbing, judo, and they will be starting a parkour course in a few weeks.
It is expensive and time consuming, I agree. But if they wanted to try it, we'd make it happen. There are too many parents here forcing their kids into the sport, thinking they will make the NHL.
That is interesting that most of the US players are from northern states. I guess it evens the playing field, as our population is 1/10th of the US.
But I will say it was cool to see men lose their sh*t once the women won. That was nice to see - don't think that would have happened 20 years ago!
Very Proud Canadian here, I had todays game playing on my computer at work.. Good hockey is good hockey no matter who is playing the men's today was just plain awesome love a nail biter.
Canada shut down from 10:00 to 12:30(mst) and our bars are now being allowed to serve alcohol at 5am for the game on Sunday that should tell you how seriously we take this lol
getofftwitter said... 179 In Chicago, someone put on a billboard, by the expressway : a pic of one member of the American team of hockey and a member of the Canadian team member, with Justin Bieber in the middle. With a caption saying: Loser keeps Bieber. Dam! we lost! LOLOL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We still have Rob Ford.....unfortunately :)
AnnieD said... 186 getofftwitter said... 179 In Chicago, someone put on a billboard, by the expressway : a pic of one member of the American team of hockey and a member of the Canadian team member, with Justin Bieber in the middle. With a caption saying: Loser keeps Bieber. Dam! we lost! LOLOL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We still have Rob Ford.....unfortunately :) -----------------------------------------------------------------
It really is a toss up which one we should give away first maybe we should take offers lol
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 169 I should also add growing up hockey was one of the last sports where there really wasn't a girls team. In fact girls teams in other sports were such a fact of life I remember feeling very confused why there wasn't one for hockey. If you were a girl who wanted to play you'd have to hang with the boys and be teased and bullied for it and have your parents worried the boys would hurt you, or play some other sport. Most girls chose another sport like lacrosse or basketball. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
As the only girl in my family, I grew up playing all the same sports that my brothers did, (and usually with them as well). From little league on, I not only played with the boys, but I usually beat them too, and it wasn't until high school that I played on a "girls" team. There might be another girl playing here and there, but I never felt any different from the rest of the players, (or like a girl) until we moved to a state where hockey was a more popular winter sport then basketball. I can remember that we all went to the rink together to sign up. Even my youngest brother who was still a toddler at the time had the skates strapped on him was put out on the ice with a folding chair to push around learning how to skate. Everyone was so excited to try out this new sport, so imagine my surprise when it was my turn to try on skates, and they brought me white figure skates, (which are very different from ice hockey skates). Turns out, I was given figure skates because I was a GIRL, and GIRLS were NOT allowed to play hockey. I was aghast! Even at 7/8 years old I knew this was an outrage, and I've been mad about it ever since! There were some high schools in the area that did have girls hockey, but they were mostly private schools and most public schools only offered girls field hockey. To this day I am still not a big fan hockey, and curiously enough none of my very athletic brothers ever stuck with it either.
Weighing in on the woman's hockey final between the U.S. and Canada, I think two things. The U.S. team outplayed our team, but the Canadian girls just kept grinding, never giving up, fighting to the last minutes of the game.
I heard a radio commentator say that it is far easier to win a bronze and be third than to lose the gold medal and take second place in hockey. It's gold, silver doesn't seem to cut it in this sport, at least not for Canadians, it's nerve- racking as a fan, I can't imagine the pressure on our hockey teams!
I think the U.S. team was just bitterly disappointed, they had their victory in hand and lost it with just minutes to go in the third. Marie Poulin, who scored the winnig goal in OT, apologized to the U.S. goalie when they shook hands, and in typical Canadian fashion said, "sorry".
OT DOUBLE SQUEEEEE!! Justin Timberlake is in The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon tonight. They are so funny together! Justin is just incredibly talented, he can do anything just about! Love them! If you have not been a Fallon fan, record it and find a high school junior or senior to watch it with, or a college student. That's how I got into out, watching it with my dd.
Weighing in on the woman's hockey final between the U.S. and Canada, I think two things. The U.S. team outplayed our team, but the Canadian girls just kept grinding, never giving up, fighting to the last minutes of the game.
-------------------------------------------
I have to agree. Nearing the last two minutes of the game the Canadian girls amped up their game and scraped up that puck as much as possible. When the American girl was penalized for slashing that was the fatal blow for the Americans. The extra Canadian on the ice helped them clinch the goal.
I don't think the Canadians played horribly. It wasn't a runaway game. A score of 2-0 is not drastic. However, of course it's a punch in the gut to lose when you've been gaining momentum for almost 3 whole periods. I thought the Americans were great and the Canadian hockey team thought so too.
Our population is so much smaller that the US and we do not have the extensive backing of our athletes the way the States does. In fact not too long ago that was a big issue because Canadians were not performing well at the Olympic Games. The government stepped up with funding and promoting our athletes and things have steadily improved. Americans have always totally supported their athletes whether it be financially or just cheering them on. The College football stadiums are bigger than most of our CFL stadiums.
In other Canada/Us rivals, Tessa Virtue-Scott Moir lost the gold medal to Meryl Davis-Charlie White in Ice Dancing. While rumours swirled about judging favourtism and other champions were touting that Virtue-Moir should have won, Tessa and Scott wouldn't even entertain those ideas when asked by the media. That to me is graciousness.
Yes it was a hell of a blow for the US girls but sportsmanship should have come into play during the medal ceremony. In all of the medal ceremonies I've watched I don't recall seeing any other silver medalists pouting when they were awarded.
I read here often, but do not post much. BUT I had to post a very big and happy congratulations to Ex Nurse! That precious little boy will bring a special joy to your life like you couldn't even imagine, and you can believe me because I speak from experience with TWO precious little boys! Many blessings to you and your family, Grandma!
Kate is a twit said... 131 Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4h When we ask for help, we give people the opportunity to contribute to our need! In so doing, we honor them as well. :)
I guess this explains why Milo thinks Kate is such a great person. By grifting and getting freebies, Kate is actually "honoring" the people who give her contributions.
So I guess for Milo and for Kate, it's always better to receive than give, because you're actually doing those that give a favor.
What a twisted point of view! ------------
Yikes! I am starting to think TFW is able to post under Milo's name. This "logic" is very twisted, much like Kate's twitter, blog posts, and much like her "couch" interviews," in which she justifies what she does, much of it which is NOT an accurate account of what actually happened.
Kate is a twit said... 131 Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4h When we ask for help, we give people the opportunity to contribute to our need! In so doing, we honor them as well. :)
I guess this explains why Milo thinks Kate is such a great person. By grifting and getting freebies, Kate is actually "honoring" the people who give her contributions.
So I guess for Milo and for Kate, it's always better to receive than give, because you're actually doing those that give a favor.
What a twisted point of view! ------------
Yikes! I am starting to think TFW is able to post under Milo's name. This "logic" is very twisted, much like Kate's twitter, blog posts, and much like her "couch" interviews," in which she justifies what she does, much of it which is NOT an accurate account of what actually happened.
I agree with everything except that Americans support that athletes. Yes they do, if you play one of the big money maker sports and if you are a male. Do not think for a second the U.S. supports women's hockey. They don't. A Division 1 football school would pour more money into the sport in one season than the U.S. has put into women's hockey since it began.
Woman's hockey is so low on the radar it's not even funny. None of those girls were ever paid a dime by the U.S. And I understand it's the same in Canada, with none of their women players getting paid either. In contrast, a man in the NHL makes on average 1.8 MILLION a season and some make in the several millions.
1.8 millions versus nothing. Yes we support our sports. Men's sports. Big sports like football and basketball. The only reason those girls are playing is for the love of the game, not for the support from the USA or to make money. Most will lose money. This is the same for almost all women's sports in the USA. There are a scant few super stars like the Williams sisters and Kelly Clark and a fledgling women's basketball league that loses millions every single year and everyone else is lucky to break even. There are no professional women's hockey, softball, football or soccer teams (we used to have soccer but it failed). A woman hockey player in the USA does not get any more support here than she would in Canada, if anything she gets less support in the USA as hockey is not even on the radar most anywhere but the Canadian border states. Despite that, they played a fantastic game.
Tuckers mom, That skit was very defamatory to Jon, too, ------- Jon has been defamed since the whole divorce fiasco. Maybe I didn't read enough web sites or watch the right tv shows. I have RARELY read anything good about Jon, from the beginning to present. It's only since his going public lately that I have heard anything in his favor. I think it is the best of two evils to go public. I don't think anyone would in the media would have ever changed their mind had they not talked to him personally. As it is, even still many still have to jab him with a negative name calling before they comment on the good thing.
282 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 282 Newer› Newest»Somebody mentioned the kids giving Kate a massage on the show. Weren't they rolling cars on her? I only watched Jon and Kate, not Kate's show.
I don't get VH1, so will have to wait for recaps to discuss.
Boys - I have 2 who are 7.5 and 9. I find at this age, they have spurts of interests that may last for a day, a week, or longer. I have a hard time believing that all her boys like are Lego. Perhaps, that's all she cares to see about her boys.
Most boys (and a lot of girls) are into Minecraft. I am stunned when my boys start discussing this with other kids - it's like they are speaking another language. If they have iPads, they have Minecraft!
And you know what lady? If your boys are really that into Lego, take them to the damn movie! Put a quarter of the effort you put into getting your teenage BFF's concert tix to a boy band they probably won't care about when the time comes to see them.
I wanted to add, that it is a shame that nothing Kate says can be taken just at face value. Like the kids playing w/ dolls or a dog picture, or enjoying a simple night in front of the fireplace. Her motives are always deemed as suspicious, garnering attention for herself, or plotting for a new show because they're lil and cute. News is that they aren't little anymore and being immature for their age is not cute. It's fine if they are immature for their age, but the twitter world doesn't need to know what their development is.
&&&
It is a shame. She did it to herself. She's so transparent and her motives are often so obvious or outed. She didn't just take those twins on the Today show to talk about them, she wanted them to throw their father under the bus. She didn't arrange a cookbook tour to talk about food, she did it to criticize Jon. He's all she talked about. When she does stuff like that all she does is prove Jon's point, as well as our point that everything has a motive for her.
You can't view her behavior with these kids in a vacuum. You can't just say well I know a normal 10 year old who plays with dolls. That may be. We know so much more about these kids, we have context for these kids, where they've been, where they are now, everything she's done to them, their struggles with child development. Something that may be fine for some other kid is apples and oranges for these kids.
It's really the same with the massages. Eh, another kid might love to give a massage or back scratch to mom and mom gives one to them and it's no big deal and something they'll grow out of anyway shortly in a matter of months. But because she has consistently put these kids in a position of constantly stroking her ego, hanging out with her, being preoccupied with her when most kids their age don't give a second thought to their mom or dad, they can barely keep up with friends, school, etc.--we know all the unhealthy things she does and this is just another example. "IT's just a massage" doesn't work in this situation. It's NOT just a massage because you can't look at it in a vacuum like that.
Kelly Hyland from Dance Moms is filing a law suit against the produces of Dance Moms. The suit shows how much abuse can go on in reality tv shows because the children have little legal protection.
http://www.realitytea.com/2014/02/20/paige-and-brooke-will-not-return-to-dance-moms-plus-kelly-hyland-accuses-producers-of-child-abuse/
Ah, we all know what one of the things wrong with Kate: she can't let go of the past. Kate will forever think of her tups as 4-5 year olds, cause that was when they were at the height of popularity, and Kate can't get past that. She was having the kids watch old DVD of the show, when the tups were little. Kate, they are almost 10. They are individuals, not a set, a team, 6 pk, but individuals, with different likes, ideas. You can't put them all in the same things. You can't do the all for one and one for all crap. I can see in 6 more years the 6 going separate ways. I hope Jon is letting them do separate things.
I totally agree with what you just said, and the way you said it. Perfectly.
Liz has a mouth on her. I really hope she doesn't talk like that around the kids.
They are individuals, not a set, a team, 6 pk, but individuals, with different likes, ideas.
***************
Not necessarily. Not if she's trained those kids to fit into a certain mold and have the same likes and dislikes, for the purpose of pleasing HER.
getofftwitter said... 5
Ah, we all know what one of the things wrong with Kate: she can't let go of the past. Kate will forever think of her tups as 4-5 year olds, cause that was when they were at the height of popularity, and Kate can't get past that.
&&&&&&&&
That's what kills me about Mady saying about being filmed "guess what, we're fine." Ok, well it does appear that she and her sister are allowed to pursue outside interests. Their 6 brothers and sisters, not so much. Maybe she wouldn't consider them so annoying if they had something to do. The show ended 2 1/2 years ago. It's shameful that they are not allowed to move on. Not only did they not ask to be born as a 6 pack, they didn't ask to be on tv. Kate seems to think both of those things make it impossible for the tups to do what other almost 10 yr. olds get to do. She is a sorry excuse for a mother.
Milo really had a snit fit on her TL over this massage thing.
As has already been said, try switching it to Jon being the one posting about his daughters giving HIM a massage and putting it out there on Twitter. Milo and Goody would be the first two out of the gate...
Woo Hoo! New CT episode! Can't wait for the hilarious recap! We are watching olympics tonight.
Alberta Girl, i'm with you, TFMJG should take all the children to see the Lego Movie! Its great, go see it even if you don't have any children to take you!
PatK said... 9
Milo really had a snit fit on her TL over this massage thing.
As has already been said, try switching it to Jon being the one posting about his daughters giving HIM a massage and putting it out there on Twitter. Milo and Goody would be the first two out of the gate...
&&&&&&&&&&
Or, if Jon had taken the twins on two talk shows and tried to coax them to trash Kate. The sheeples heads would have literally exploded.
Kate does it..... and it's wholesome bonding time. Grrrrrrrr....
As has already been said, try switching it to Jon being the one posting about his daughters giving HIM a massage and putting it out there on Twitter. Milo and Goody would be the first two out of the gate...
&&&
Exactly. I can tell you right now that inappropriate boundaries with your children is a HALLMARK of abuse, especially sexual abuse. Child abusers do not appreciate and respect children and therefore inappropriate boundaries are very common to see, and very damaging to children. A child whose boundaries are not respected can have all kinds of problems especially with boundaries as adults.
I doubt anything deviant is going on however that is not the point. The point is that a child has a right to having his boundaries respected. The point is also that a child should not bear the heavy burden of being repeatedly charged with making their mother feel good, even if it's just a massage and an evening of entertaining her. That is not their job. They are not emotionally ready to bear such a burden.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 58m
@Kateplusmy8 Obviously too many places 2go...too many things 2do...not enough time 4U...Gnite! :)
MILO! Why don't you get it? Nobody could be this dense, not even you. Kate is alongenine hours a day, five days a week, and by her own admittance, has a sitter for 20 some hours. SHE HAS TIME!
Gads, he/she/it is so annoying, and so dumb.
SQUEEE!!!
Michelle Obama is guest on Jimmy Fallon tonight! If you missed out, watch on YouTube tomorrow! Hysterical!
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/family-183108960.html?vp=1
Approached by reality television show producers. Will it never end?
Really interesting article written by the woman who wrote a truthful, and brutal obituary when her mom died. While the abuse the children suffered was extreme, she said she wanted to bring awareness to the problem.
http://jezebel.com/why-i-wrote-the-infamously-scathing-obituary-for-my-mot-1526324856
Alberta, 17...
http://jezebel.com/why-i-wrote-the-infamously-scathing-obituary-for-my-mot-1526324856
---------------
I remember when that was first posted some time ago, with so many different opinions here and on the internet about why that should (and should have not) been written.
Admin said...
"She didn't arrange a cookbook tour to talk about food, she did it to criticize Jon."
8888888888888888888888888888888
That's funny. I wonder if it's occurred to her yet that that's the reason THEY had HER on the show. It wasn't about her crookbook, it was for the tabloid factor. They turned the tables on her and she totally missed it. Who got used?
PJ
Macey♥ @maceywanty328 1h
@Kateplusmy8 good mooring princess
I know this is a typo, but it made me laugh first thing this morning. I can see Kate, trying to moor a ship, singing Anchors Away, or that old gospel standard, "Throw Out The Life Line:"
"This is the life line, oh, tempest tossed men;
Baffled by waves of temptation and sin;
Wild winds of passion, your strength cannot brave,.."
You have to THINK before you tweet:
Barbara Gilmer @BarbGilmer 5m
"@LifeTools: Live simply. Dream big. Be grateful. Give love. Laugh lots." @Kateplusmy8
Kate -- live simply? LOL!
Dream Big -- check, yes, and a reality tv show isn't happening
Be grateful -- NEVER
Give love -- More like wants to receive love. Milo does that for her.
Laugh lots -- I don't know about that one. Frowns lots, yes.
Failed on that one, Barb...good advice, though!
SQUEEE indeed Joy! Can TFW sue? They ate kale chips and we all know that TFW invented them...EW!
Kate has always made the boys feel like they had to 'man up' and take care of Mommy- she even asked them on that dude ranch episode if they would.This back massage is part of it, making Mommy feel good. They are children and should not have this burden. Of course it could be an innocent little gesture but it should be kept private- will she EVER learn, I doubt it.
When my boy was little. Once in a blue moon he'd rub my back. It's innocent. I never asked him. But I wouldn't have ever thought to post about it! Weird. Kids will do anything to try to "please" a parent. My step mom used to make me rub her feet. (Gross) I hated it. She was lazy. I was like? Kate and Jon's kids will act out, it's just a matter of time. Try to control 8 teenagers!! Yikes! I feel bad. Because some kids might act out in very wrong ways... Having them for parents? #ageckowouldakeabetterparent
L
Tucker's Mom said... 199
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 3m
Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs
*******
OK, that's officially creepy.
____
OMG yes I mean what 10yr boys want to rub their mother's back???
And why is it all way her getting a back rub from the kids and not the other way around-??
Now don't get me wrong giving back rub is strange cause I'll give me older brother one or two when I see him.
It's just that Kate's all ways seems to be on the receiving end of back rubs she never say she give the kids one.
So has KK done her BeKindGetSigned contest-(yeah right) or is she&her sheep going to pretend that the contest it never happened.
Anonymous, I know you want to blame US for pointing out inappropriate behavior that Kate does and put it all on us for having sick minds (incidentally, this is the same criticism we got when we warned about people like Bill Blankinship before we ever even knew of him), but a quick browse of the internet shows countless grown adults reflecting back on their childhoods in which they were made to give mom or dad a massage and how damaged they feel now from it. Maybe their testimonials will persuade you that we have a point:
1. "My mom has "chronic pain" and I describe it in that way because it seems to be selective. Nonetheless, when I was younger and lived at home, she used to make me give her massages. It started out as back and shoulder rubs and them moved to full body massages. I hated doing it, but she would give me such a guilt trip and over time she had me believing that her pain was caused by the stress of raising me."
2.
I went to go live with my dad at 7 from my grandparents. he tried to force me to rub his nasty feet. As a 10 year old I actually told him to **** off. I would get grounded for it. He tried to tell me I should try to please him. it was totally wrong and inappropriate
3. If during your childhood you are treated inappropriately as the parent or spouse of your parent/caretaker, then this can have all sorts of adverse effects. You effectively lose your own childhood, which becomes more about other people's issues and unmet needs (which they have not dealt with and are projecting inappropriately onto you), about fulfilling another or others' needs, rather than your own. Some single parents can slip into these roles, i.e. they do not have a partner and make the child into their partner.
Part 2 in next post.
Part 2
4. Many years ago my brother-in-law was angry because "he wasn't getting enough sex" from my sister. His extreme outrage was obvious in their home so that the children (teen boy, preteen girl) knew all about it. After this had been going on for some time, I was visiting and the husband told me that he was feeling better because he and his daughter were giving each other full body massages each night after dinner. I didn't know what to say. Two years later she went into therapy and told her therapist about this. The therapist said the situation needed to be reported to the authorities.
5. I'm simply amazed at how much shit my mom convinced me to do. she'd have me massage her back for anywhere between 30 minutes to an hour and a half....At some point I also had to make dinner, because I had been "extremely lazy". Followed by getting my younger siblings bathed, and put to bed.
Needless to say, this night, I didn't get my homework done. I went to school and explained what happened (I thought every family was how we were.) The teacher called me a liar because "no mother would tell their kids to do their nails rather than do their homework." And when she called my mom to tattle on me, my mom confirmed her speculations that I was a terrible child and was constantly making up lies and being dramatic. I'm still amazed at how ignorant I was/still am and how "normal" I am considering I wasn't allowed to talk to anyone outside of school, and was basically a little all in one housemaid/masseuse/cook/sitter and emotional punching bag for my mom to shit all over.
6. My mom used to make me give her massages and scrape the stains off her teeth. she wanted me to go to school for dental hygiene just so I could take care of her teeth for free. BARF!! She also forced me to bleach her roots but would never dye mine for me ("I'll mess it up and you'll get mad"). Did I mention she went to hair school?
Note that few of these examples actually turned into actual sexual abuse, but the children are all still very damaged from it. If it wasn't so easy to find all these statements from adults who feel so damaged by being made to rub their parents back/feet or massage, you might have a point. Most of them are traumatized by having to step in as a "partner" to the parent and burdened with fulfilling their needs, and not be the child that they were.
I had no idea Johnny Weir is from Chester County. Looks like he grew up not far from where I live:
@NBCPhiladelphia: Chester County's @JohnnyGWeir talks about his time in @Sochi2014: http://t.co/O77ABlPRyu http://t.co/s79Cwny21K
No wonder his mom was able to drive to TFW's to take her to New York.
Remember on the boat tour how TFW asked the boys if they would always take care of her. It was very odd, and I remember not liking the vibe of it then.
Oh I see he was born in Coatesville, lived in Quarryville til 12 then moved to Newark. Still I didn't realize he was so local
No wonder his mom was able to drive to TFW's to take her to New York.
&&&
Huh?
I do remember he did say that his cousins or something lived in their same neighborhood and said they and all their filming was a nightmare.
Giving a back rub to your mom or family member isn't wrong IMO. However it is wrong.
When someone is all ways on the receiving end of one like Kate seems to be.
Like I said I have giving my older brother back rub for years and I don't mind way Cause he isn't selfish it's not all about him and when I need something he'll get it for me.
Kate's all ways getting back rubs or something from her kids and we know how lazy and selfish she is.
Anonymous, I know you want to blame US for pointing out inappropriate behavior that Kate does and put it all on us for having sick minds (incidentally, this is the same criticism we got when we warned about people like Bill Blankinship before we ever even knew of him), but a quick browse of the internet shows countless grown adults reflecting back on their childhoods in which they were made to give mom or dad a massage and how damaged they feel now from it. Maybe their testimonials will persuade you that we have a point:
&&&&&&&&&
Yes, and we found out that background checks were not done on any of the crew. This was discovered during the Child Labor hearings.
And is putting it on her twitter feed so strangers/sheep can see how "she's a good mom"
One thing that stood out for me from TFW's twisted fireside tweet was that hashtag "#lovemyboys." As we've said, she's so transparent -- see, your honor, I love my boys! Look at this hashtag! What parent needs to confirm that they love their children?
But beyond that, it spells out the dynamic -- when she's being served, when her boys are jumping through hoops, when they keep their needs and wants to themselves and do what she wants, then, she loves her boys. Remember the special one-on-one days both parents were supposed to have with each child? TFW skipped the boys' days, claiming she didn't want to drive "hither, thither and yon" for them.
Or was that edited in later to make her out to be a villain?
Our concerns for these children are based on facts -- things that
came right out of TFW's mouth, and continue to come out of her french-tipped tweeting fingers.
Giving a back rub to your mom or family member isn't wrong IMO. However it is wrong.
When someone is all ways on the receiving end of one like Kate seems to be.
&&&
A common theme in all the children who have issues with this massage is their parents MADE them do it and that they were always taking care of/looking after their need for touch and never the other way around.
If a kid just walks by mom and spontaneously gives her shoulders a quick rub and hugs her, or she does the same to him, that's completely differently and IMO usually normal.
Kate has always made the boys feel like they had to 'man up' and take care of Mommy- she even asked them on that dude ranch episode if they would.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I thought that was on the battleship tour, the one where she told them to shoot at the paps. I remember that they were walking down the stairs when she asked them if they would always take care of her. At that time I thought it was odd for a mom to ask that question of her very young children. Very odd.
PA Dutch Mom said... 39
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, I think you're right. She was climbing the steps in stilettos, IIRC?
TheUnFabulous @Spar_kle_Girl 10m
@CJWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 But the haters said Shoka was frozen & there isn't even an icicle hanging from him anywhere #LIARSandTROUBLEMAKERS
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
These sheeple have to be the dumbest group I've ever seen assembled in one place. They just can't think logically. We had a Polar Vortex going on, with 20 inches of snow, sub zero temps, and yes, if that dog was outside, he would have been suffering from extreme cold. However, the past days it has warmed up and there has been considerable melting. Therefore, in 40 and 50 degree temperatures, there would be no icicles on Shoka. That doesn't mean that during the brutal cold and snow storms, if left outside, he wouldn't have been exposed to very cold conditions.
It sounds like an innocent comment, will you take care of your mom?, but to a son that can make them feel very burdened. I think even more than daughters sometimes.
Even an adult son can feel burdened. My friend is almost 30 and his stepfather left his mother over a year ago. She had a boyfriend for a bit but that didn't work out, and she has made a few comments about how she is depressed and lonely and doesn't think she will find someone again. That's all it took for this young man to feel obligated to give up everything on his plate and help her. He gave up his Valentine's Day plans to go be with her and distract her on that day, and he has gone with her on business trips a couple times now, takes her out to dinner or to movie, just so she won't sit around in the hotel room and feel lonely. He had said he wasn't going to go with her this week out of town, and next thing I know he's texting me from the airport saying I couldn't do it she was so pathetic and wanted me to go with her so much. (And the flight was delayed) Sigh. She needs therapy and to tell him this is not necessary and he needs to live his own life and not worry about her, but knowing her she won't.
TheUnFabulous @Spar_kle_Girl 10m
@CJWhodunit @Kateplusmy8 But the haters said Shoka was frozen & there isn't even an icicle hanging from him anywhere #LIARSandTROUBLEMAKERS
&&&
That's not what was said. What was said was when the family is playing outside Shoka should play outside. What was said was that when the family is inside, especially on bitter cold days and nights, Shoka too should be inside.
The point being Shoka should be with his pack because dogs are wired to be with their pack. If you don't understand such a basic concept of dog psychology please do not get a dog.
Hi All,
Been MIA because we had a death in the immediate family. Hubby's grandmother, 93, recently passed away peacefully in her sleep. Though it is sad, she had very little quality of life at this stage of the game and in a way, it's much more of a relief to everyone that she's no longer in pain.
Anyway, trying to catch up but I've missed quite a lot and am doing a great deal of scrolling.
Since I don't watch and am not really interested in the CT stuff, I will merely comment to the latest bit of Kate cluelessness.
"Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 3m
Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs"
*****************************
I just find it so hard to believe that Kate could be that oblivious to how tweets like this make her look. How could she not see how self-absorbed and narcissistic she comes across?
Me, me, my, my. Also, it would be more convincing that you loved your boys if you didn't express it only after gushing about what they are doing FOR YOU.
And the creep factor is off the charts. I agree with everyone who said that turning that statement around and having Jon gush about how his 9 year old daughters were rubbing his back would have the sheeple up in arms about inappropriateness.
It is becoming ever clearer that Kate has major boundary issues on top of everything else and that those kids really are merely appendages, tools that she uses to stroke her ego.
Disgusting.
It is becoming ever clearer that Kate has major boundary issues on top of everything else and that those kids really are merely appendages, tools that she uses to stroke her ego.
****
Boundary issues are a hallmark of a narcissist. I witnessed that. Walking around in PJ's in front of guests/tree trimmers/construction workers who barely knew them, talking about bodily functions, walking into bedrooms without knocking, talking about adult subjects in front of children, not flushing the toilet so the next person who uses it is greeted with a nasty surprise, sleeping in older children's beds with them on a consistent basis instead of giving them their bed and space and going to your own bed. And what the drive bys don't get is that saying someone has boundaries issues does not in any way mean you are saying someone would MOLEST someone. In fact in most of the stories I read about boundaries issues it NEVER went there and I never got a whiff there was anything sexual WHATSOEVER about any of that, never.
A boundary issue is damaging to a child in its own right, whether or not it turns into sexual abuse, and it often never does. They are not one in the same.
I'm sorry, I just see it as creepy, two 10 year old boys giving their Mom a massage in front of the fire, while the other "entertains" her, the picture appears to show a dark room, and then TWEETING about it to the world. Not sure what file this goes into, narcissist, or weirdo. If
these kids aren't already messed up and bullied by peers....
I agree certainly double standards, if Jon described such a scene....
She continues to be an idiot but I think she has reached a new level.
I do remember he did say that his cousins or something lived in their same neighborhood and said they and all their filming was a nightmare
&&&&&&&&&&&&&.
Yes, it was Quarryville, which is in southern Lancaster County, but it is not anywhere near either of Kate's former homes or their current home. I wonder to what location he was referring when he made the comment about filming.
"Jon is still acting like a victim of abuse from Kate.
He can say that he doesn't deserve to be treated like that, but he won't back it up with any consequences."
I have found, that if a person asks to be shit on, someone will always oblige him/her.
Admin@45
EXACTLY! There doesn't have to be ANY sexual contact or conotations to have it be CREEPY, DISGUSTING and for it to leave scars.It's yet another tactic for the abuser to exert her control. The drivebys can just @&**$ off, and keep their rose colores glasses on, they live in their own universe,
savanah nichols @nichols_savanah 3m
@Kateplusmy8 hello Kate, My partner and I were wondering if we could interview you for a school project involving good moms! thnx pls reply
-----
-----
I get such a kick out of these sheeple, or new sheeple socks, or whatever they are!
I think that this person needs to get in line in back of the author waiting for Kate to read her new book, or those wanting to know if Kate ever got around to judging that infamous not-a-contest! Unless, of course, there''s payment (or gift cards) involved for the interview.
Sherri, sincere sympathy about losing your family member.
Thanks for the link Alberta Girl. I would never presume to tell a survivor of abuse how they should feel, what they should say or write, or otherwise pass judgment on how they express their feelings toward their abuser. It's amazing that this person was able to survive so much yet find a place of peace eventually.
A common theme in all the children who have issues with this massage is their parents MADE them do it and that they were always taking care of/looking after their need for touch and never the other way around.
If a kid just walks by mom and spontaneously gives her shoulders a quick rub and hugs her, or she does the same to him, that's completely differently and IMO usually normal.
________________
Exactly a kid should be forced to feel like they should rub their parents back.
My bro all ways ask me if I don't mind giving him a back rub and if I say no he's like Ight no problem.
With KK it's allll about her and what she wants.
I think every parent joking say "Will you take care of me when I'm old"- My mom said it.
However again with Kate it's allll about her and what she wants. She isn't a normal mother.
Sadly, sheeple seem incapable or purposely unwilling to see any viewpoint but their own. No matter how many actual people share their own real life stories and their own feelings about the way they were treated as children, sheeple do a version of "la la la, I can't hear you" and dismiss it. Nothing will ever convince them, and they will never admit they were wrong.
JoyinVirginia said... 15
SQUEEE!!!
Michelle Obama is guest on Jimmy Fallon tonight! If you missed out, watch on YouTube tomorrow! Hysterical!
__________________________________
And ... she had some very interesting things to say about her daughters just wanting to be normal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kcHglDoDjI
Re: this week's CT and Teen Duck Lips.
Does anyone think Dr. Jenn watched any of the Teen Mom episodes w/TDL and Deborah to watch their interactions? It seemed from what I saw last night (and in previous episodes when TDL talked about growing up) that Dr. Jenn bought everything that came out of TDL's mouth - hook, line and sinker about her childhood, the 'sex tape', being abused, drugged, raped, ete, etc.
I certainly wouldn't want Deborah as my mom - yikes - but I think TDL is responsible for a huge part of their issues. It seemed that Dr. Jenn was implying that Deborah (appearing very cold and harsh last nite) was the one at fault with poor TDL getting all of her sympathy.
Re: this week's CT and Teen Duck Lips (TDL).
Does anyone think Dr. Jenn watched any of the Teen Mom episodes w/TDL and Deborah to watch their interactions before taping started? It seemed from what I saw last night (and in previous episodes when TDL talked about growing up) that Dr. Jenn bought everything that came out of TDL's mouth - hook, line and sinker about her childhood, the 'sex tape', being abused, drugged, raped, ete, etc.
I certainly wouldn't want Deborah as my mom - yikes - but I think TDL is responsible for a huge part of their issues. It seemed that Dr. Jenn was implying that Deborah (appearing very cold and harsh last nite) was the one at fault with poor TDL getting all of her sympathy.
Sheri - I am so sorry for your loss.
(I think the previous thread hasn't been closed yet. I was wondering why there was so little responses and wondered where you all went to!)
Bringing my comment over-
Tucker's Mom said... 118
I watched Jon and Liz's portions of CT.
Liz seems introspective and open to fedback, so that's good.
Jon is taking her shit because of 2 things- his penis and the fact that Liz is great to his kids and already has her own, and doesn't want more.
I think Liz knows this and that's how she gets away with treating him like crap. It's abusive. She speaks to Jon with utter disregard for his feelings, and frankly, his dignity, and Jon just takes it because Liz also can be loving and affectionate.
Jon is still acting like a victim of abuse from Kate.
He can say that he doesn't deserve to be treated like that, but he won't back it up with any consequences.
I wanted to add, that it is a shame that nothing Kate says can be taken just at face value. Like the kids playing w/ dolls or a dog picture, or enjoying a simple night in front of the fireplace
******************
Nope, you can't take anything TFW says at face value. Why? Because she always has an ulterior motive. When I saw he tweet about the little girls shrieking with delight about her buying Pampers, I immediately thought--she wants a story written. There are a couple people who have trolled her Twitter, and written stories about her tweets to post on the net. She probably thought, "What a great story! They can write, 'Why is Kate Gosselin buying Pampers?', and everyone will click on it because they'll wonder if maybe I'm expecting again". And her night in front of the fire was supposed to be a story about what a great mom she is, spending special time with her sons. Oddly enough, the people who have written stories from her tweets seem to have disappeared, and those stories didn't get written or posted, or something. Has the media shut her out? Did she really go too far with her manipulation of the twins, and she's now blackballed? We can only hope.
Oh, by the way, I made a cake last night and I let two of my sons lick the beaters. Feel free to write a story about it and post it on the net. Be sure to gush about what a great mom I am! Like no other mom has ever let her kids lick the beaters...
Michelle Obama on Jimmy Fallon was too funny!
You can't view her behavior with these kids in a vacuum. You can't just say well I know a normal 10 year old who plays with dolls. That may be.
****
That's right, it's just that these immature behaviors have NEVER been balanced with enriching activities. ZERO photos of any tup on a team, karate, playing an instrument, or doing ANYTHING outside of the compound.
Before the sheep start bleeting about Kate not reveal EVERYTHING they kids do, so that's why we don't see it, I say bullshit.
You know what was really sad about watching CWS? Seeing the 3 girls' bedroom. First of all, it's a glorified closet in a 6500 sq. foot home. WTF?
Worse yet, I saw NOT ONE photo, poster, award or ribbon on the walls or furniture.
Again, WTF?
@Kateplusmy8: Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs
========
Creepy in a Bates Motel kind of way!
It's interesting that people are expressing surprise about Kate having her kids massage her or that everything is always about her. It's nothing new. On one of the old episodes (when they were still in their old house), she was lying on the recliner with a blanket tucked around her. One of the little girls (either Alexis or Leah) came by, and Kate said to her, "Will you rub my feet?" Her child could not have been more than 5 years old at the time, and her mother was asking her to rub her feet? It was totally bizarre and disturbing, but she's a narcissist, so the behavior fits.
That's what kills me about Mady saying about being filmed "guess what, we're fine." Ok, well it does appear that she and her sister are allowed to pursue outside interests. Their 6 brothers and sisters, not so much.
******
Kate seemed to give up without even trying. There's just too many of them for her to bond appropriately, spend time with (ps... I think the individual kid's days were just for filming, and were never continued) or encourage interests and development.
Kate even said how far behind the tups were with their motor skills. What? She's a SAHM, so you've got to be kidding me.
Just look at how old the tups were before they got shoes without velcro. "Eh, what's another year", said Kate in the shoe store, wearing CFM sandals, a short skirt and clingy, cut out top with full hair and make up.
Of course, there's time for all that tanning, nail salon and trips to NYC for hair, but teach her kids to tie their shoes? Nah!
To me, the back rub thing does appear a bit creepy. I have no problem with a 10 yr. old giving an occasional neck or shoulder rub-sometimes my grandson will offer to do that for me when he sees me craning my neck and rubbing it myself..
What I find creepy about Kate's sons doing it(if it is true) is:
Not only one boy is doing it but two of them are, while the other one "entertains her".
If this was supposed to be "quality time" spent with them(as per Milo), why does she have her phone at the ready to take a picture of the boy who is entertaining them? Can't she ever just enjoy her children without having her phone constantly by her side?
The most creepiest thing is that she feels the need to even tweet and brag about it. She seems to have this obsessive need to show that her children do indeed love her. She tweeted this back in 2011, referring to M and C:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 27 Jul 2011
GN now all! My big girls have offered to massage my back! I'm thrilled! So off to la la land I go... Tweet ya tomorrow!
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 18 Aug 2011
It's massage X by my 10 yr olds!Has bc pm routine&I'm IN!!!
A relaxed me will greet u in am unless these girls tire out b4 I get masage,lol!
Then in 2012:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 18 Apr 2012
Hey all- its back massage night from Mady and Cara..don't wanna miss that (much needed) offer so I'm outta here...
GN! Play nice! XO 2 all!
I guess M & C decided it was weird to give massages to their mother, and now she's training the younger kids to do it.
I wanted to add, that it is a shame that nothing Kate says can be taken just at face value.
_________
Cause she's a f**king liar and a proven one at that.
PA Dutch Mom said... 47
I do remember he did say that his cousins or something lived in their same neighborhood and said they and all their filming was a nightmare
&&&&&&&&&&&&&.
Yes, it was Quarryville, which is in southern Lancaster County, but it is not anywhere near either of Kate's former homes or their current home. I wonder to what location he was referring when he made the comment about filming.
(((
True, Im probably closer to Quarryville than TFW is. I didn't get a chance to watch the interview yet.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 16
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/family-183108960.html?vp=1
Approached by reality television show producers. Will it never end?
****
Sounds like she's open to a RTV show- idiot. Also, she boasts about never needing childcare or babysitters because the older kids do it.
Ugh... that's not their job, lady! It's yours and your husbands! so stop having kids!
Geez, I'd be so resentful if my mother made it my job to care for HER children.
When you have to ration your kids' activities down to just one (at least they get that, right?), it's time to tie up some anatomy.
That's funny. I wonder if it's occurred to her yet that that's the reason THEY had HER on the show. It wasn't about her crookbook, it was for the tabloid factor. They turned the tables on her and she totally missed it. Who got used?
PJ
*****
Kate knows the score, she just doesn't care. Hell, Kate even boasts about people tuning in to see her because they hate her.
Use her for parodies and make fun of her and her family? She loves it!
Kathy Griffin made a hysterical video that riffed on Kate's not paying attention to her kids and denying Mady water, and Kate just yucked it up with Kathy on The View. That skit was very defamatory to Jon, too, so yeah, she loved it.
Kate knew damn well that timing her lawsuit filing with the release of her book would get her bleached bum hole on more shows.
FYI, Ex Nurse posted a baby update on the previous thread and I wanted to bring it over here so that everyone could see it:
Ex Nurse said... 114
Baby update--Beautiful, healthy boy born this morning! Her mom and I were both at the birth. My daughter-in-law had a very tough, long labor, but came through like a champion. My son--not so much. He was very happy to have both grandmothers there. Baby is perfect, and already nursing.
February 21, 2014 at 5:39 AM
==============
Ex Nurse--Congratulations on your new grandson!!!
Formerly Duped said... 23
Kate has always made the boys feel like they had to 'man up' and take care of Mommy- she even asked them on that dude ranch episode if they would.This back massage is part of it, making Mommy feel good. They are children and should not have this burden. Of course it could be an innocent little gesture but it should be kept private- will she EVER learn, I doubt it.
******
My ex was parentified by his mother at an early age- when his dad left at around age 12. His mother put him into the man of the house role, being the oldest boy. She leaned on him for everything and the emotional piece was just off- inappropriate.
Not romantic, but just too much of a confidant and emotional leaning post.
They were like their own circle of trust that I was not a part of, even as his wife.
I would bet a zillion bucks those kids are not offering to do massages. ITA on reversing it with Jon getting massages from the girls and what outrage there would be.
Tucker's mom . . . 69
I agree. At some point the govt needs to step in and force these type of people from having anymore kids. It's really for their own good. I'm sick of seeing them on RTV.
I don't believe a word of what Farrah says. She is 22 now but agree acts like a spoiled entitled teen. That Teen Mom show really turned out troubled girls.I think Debra is a better person than portrayed although she has her flaws.
PA Dutch Mom -- I believe Johnny Weir said that he had relatives -- cousins or an aunt and uncle, IIRC -- who lived behind the Gosselins when they lived in E-town. Was it his mother who came and picked up TFMJG? The articles I read at the time said "a skater's mother" but I don't recall ever seeing which skater's mother it was who made the drive. The show was either in Connecticut and TFMJG was somewhere in the DC area at the time, or else the show was in the DC area and they needed TFMJG to get there from her home. It was a charity fund raiser for, IIRC the survivors of 9/11 First Responders. At the time, he said TFMJG was very aloof and rude to the skaters and other stars. This is the event where Skeeve barred the ladies' room door and refused to allow a Broadway star to enter -- don't remember her name offhand, but she was in "Hairspray".
"A relaxed me will greet u in am unless these girls tire out b4 I get masage,lol!"
====
And there we have it.
Translated: "Mommy needs her back rubbed so you'd better do it, and do a good job of it or you'll be sorry tomorrow. I don't care how tired you are I'm the one who's exhausted."
As I stated before. They have no choice but to do her bidding. OR ELSE!!
(Thanks for those tweets KIAT).
Congrats ex-nurse on the new little life. Glad you were there for his arrival!
Yes, it was Quarryville, which is in southern Lancaster County, but it is not anywhere near either of Kate's former homes or their current home. I wonder to what location he was referring when he made the comment about filming.
===================
Here's the article where Johnny Weir discusses Kate.
http://www.eonline.com/news/171064/kate-gosselin-and-johnny-weir-s-family-ties
This is an excerpt:
"My cousins' house backs up to the house Jon and Kate lived in," Weir, 25, told us at Elton John and David Furnish's AIDS Foundation benefit.
Weir spent his younger years in Quarrysville, a small Pennsylvania town about 50 miles from his family and Gosselin's neighborhood in Wyomissing. "It's a very small and quiet area," the Olympian explained. "Everyone's like, 'What are paparazzi doing in the middle of Amish country?' It was really annoying for everybody."
Although the article mentions Wyomissing, I think he was really referring to the area that Jon and Kate lived in before moving to Wernersville.
Wow, it's amazing how many times she's mentioned them massaging them. Sounds like they're expected to do so regularly just like the statements from other kids I posted. So creepy.
Congratulations, Ex Nurse!
Ex Nurse - Mazel Tov!
Nice investigative work Kate Is A Twit!
She really is unbelievable. Here's a novel idea Kate - comfort and pamper your kids once in awhile!
I always remember my mom giving me foot rubs when I was sick. I do the same for my boys.
The more I think about it . . . Hmmm . . . She probably tweeted about the so called massages so that ROL would pick up the story. This is just not normal behavior. I feel sorry for those boys. Their poor little hands are probably so tired. Especially after having to do the massages and all the chores.
I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Are some of you projecting your own uncomfortable feelings from past experiences?
Mel said... 31
Remember on the boat tour how TFW asked the boys if they would always take care of her. It was very odd, and I remember not liking the vibe of it then.
*******
That was/is a really f*cked up thing to say to your young child, especially right after divorce.
Admin is right, you can't look at the boys massaging Kate in a vacuum.
One of my favorite shows on Food Network is Chopped. I've watched their new show from Canada featuring Tori Spelling's husband as the host. Is the show even televised in Canada and what do Canadians think of him regarding his current reported infidelity taking place in Canada? According to some sources, this is his 5th marital infidelity. I really enjoy Chopped, but I feel that him being the host takes away from the show. I know he won a celebrity cook off on the network, but because of his alleged infidelities and recent rehab (reportedly for sex addition) it takes away from the show. I just feel at this point, they should find a new host if the show continues after the first season.
chefsummer said... 36
And is putting it on her twitter feed so strangers/sheep can see how "she's a good mom"
******
You know the massages are not spontaneous- it's a guilt trip. "I made you dinner!" so this is how they "thank" her, because Kate must be thanked profusely for every. single. meal.
Even if it's just flipping and moving chicken on a fire after someone else does all the prep work.
If a kid just walks by mom and spontaneously gives her shoulders a quick rub and hugs her, or she does the same to him, that's completely differently and IMO usually normal.
*****
Wow, I just had a memory for long, long ago. I used to rub my Dad's shoulders from time to time when he was driving and I was sitting behind him (yeah, seat belts weren't what they are today!).
He never, ever asked. I just thought that he was working so hard doing the driving.
Oh, I was like 5-6 ;-)
PA Dutch Mom said... 39
Kate has always made the boys feel like they had to 'man up' and take care of Mommy- she even asked them on that dude ranch episode if they would.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I thought that was on the battleship tour, the one where she told them to shoot at the paps
*****
I know one time Kate told a boy to "man up" was when they were walking to the farm to get free milk. That bitch could have easily sent someone from the crew back to the house to get comfy shoes while they waited, but you know, time is money when your filming!
Waking with blisters is like dying from a thousand paper cuts. There's little worse when you have to ambulate but each step is bloody and painful, and you have no bandaid.
Yeah, Ms. Organized had no bandaids. Eight kids. No bandaids.
Idiot.
Ex-Nurse...Congrats. Glad to hear everyone is doing well. Enjoy.
BTW, DH and I were just in Wilmington, NC and visited the U.S.S. North Carolina.
The paps were really a good distance away from Kate and the boys when she made a Federal Case out of it. Up on the deck, the paps really couldn't get a good line of sight for shooting and they were not as close as the TLC cameras made them out to be.
There was simply no reason to even acknowledge the paps while having time with the boys, and burden them with a something that really wasn't a nuisance to begin with, let alone incite violent thoughts in their heads (sorry, little kids take everything literally and don't develop sarcasm and irony until later).
Winsomeone said... 48
"Jon is still acting like a victim of abuse from Kate.
He can say that he doesn't deserve to be treated like that, but he won't back it up with any consequences."
I have found, that if a person asks to be shit on, someone will always oblige him/her.
*****
Funny how that always seems to sort itself out. I think it's the energy you put out there.
It is sort of out of character for Kate to want her "icky boys" to put their hands on her. When Aaiden was very young she was clipping his nails and she just shuddered about how "dirty" boys are, or something to that effect. She is disgusting.
When I saw he tweet about the little girls shrieking with delight about her buying Pampers, I immediately thought--she wants a story written. There are a couple people who have trolled her Twitter, and written stories about her tweets to post on the net. She probably thought, "What a great story! They can write, 'Why is Kate Gosselin buying Pampers?', and everyone will click on it because they'll wonder if maybe I'm expecting again"
*****
How many shows and media outlets to did go on to say she didn't have a facelift?
Oddly enough, the people who have written stories from her tweets seem to have disappeared, and those stories didn't get written or posted, or something. Has the media shut her out? Did she really go too far with her manipulation of the twins, and she's now blackballed? We can only hope.
******
I've noticed that, too. Not every Tweet gets turned into 4 paragraphs of drivel on Gather etc>
Oh, and Kate made sure to tell the store clerks that the Pampers were for dolls, not her, because you know that rumor will top the headlines-if not lead to a Special Report breaking in during Dr. Phil.
Here's a link to an article about the skating show where KK met Johnny Weir. It's mostly about KK, but mentions Johnny Weir.:
http://ca.eonline.com/news/146596/kate-gosselin-on-ice-a-true-diva-show
From Kate's tweets, it seems like age 10 is when the kids get wrangled into nightly massages.
I can't believe the twins wanted to massage their mother every night.
Creepy.
I'm willing to be that Kate has never massaged, rubbed or otherwise soothed any of the kids.
She held her constipated boy for a whole 3 seconds before pushing him off her lap, after he'd been crying and whining for her the whole time.
She also took her good old time picking out free beds, knowing that one of the boys was in PAIN.
Ex Nurse - my congratulations to your son and DIL on their new baby! I'm glad both you and the other grandmother could be there too :)
DJ said... 85
I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Are some of you projecting your own uncomfortable feelings from past experiences?
________
I'm not uncomfortable with it as I said I have given my brother back rubs for years.
But it was never in front of a fire and he never tweeted about it to strangers.
-(Okay it was creepy)-
Mynameissherry said... 74
I agree. At some point the govt needs to step in and force these type of people from having anymore kids. It's really for their own good. I'm sick of seeing them on RTV.
____________
I hope you're being facetious. Hitler tried that. It cost 60 million lives.
Tucker's Mom said... 88
So she gets a ten/ten rating for dinner and a back rub while the kids tell her that she need a cooking show.
And her fans say's it's all about the kids.
Ex-Nurse:
Congrats on the new family member. What a treat to be there from the very first moment. ;)
DJ said... 85
I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Are some of you projecting your own uncomfortable feelings from past experiences?
February 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM
****
In and of itself, no there's nothing wrong with a child giving a massage in passing, unsolicited. I simply do not believe that to be the case with Kate.
We know the twins were giving her nightly massages at the boys age, and that is wrong.
And come on, 10 year old boys giving their mom a massage is just 'off'.
I think I'll start referring to TFW as "Kate the Creep." She is so inappropriate in her interactions with her children.
When my sisters and I were young, we liked to do what we called "hair styling" on my mom's hair. She would always let us if we asked. She'd sit on the floor in front of the couch and I would brush her hair into all different styles. Sometimes up in a bun, sometimes braid it, or just brush it in all different directions. She'd sit there with her eyes closed and sort of drift off.
It wasn't until we were older that we realized it was like a little mini scalp massage for her. LOL
The difference was 1. She never requested we do this. It was a game one of us came up with. So sometimes one of us girls would be in the mood to do "hair styles" and our mom would oblige.
2. It was something fun for us. As I said, we were clueless that this was also something that was relaxing for our mom. So we did it for "selfish" rather than "selfless" reasons. We initiated it, and we could stop after 2 minutes or 10, it was up to us. It was never an obligation.
3. My mom did so many things for us kids, every day of our life. Little things that we didn't even notice, like making sure we had the kind of chips we liked in our lunches, or finding our favorite stuffed animal at bedtime. The more I read about how Kate treats her children, the more I feel like I led a charmed childhood. I almost feel guilty!
Aunt Connie said... 94
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I remember that! I was grossed out at her clipping nails in the living room, and her comments.She also stated during the
'traditional flag cake' baking with the girls, 'let's face it, boys are icky' or something like that, and little Joel looked so disappoints he was not allowed to help as he walked away.
(Leslie)
Kate's twitter followers has not increased in probably 2 weeks or more. It has been at exactly 190,000 followers. Not one person has signed up to follow her in the past 2 weeks. She must not be buying any followers lately. You would like at least a few people would have signed up in the past 2 weeks because hundreds./thousands signed up just prior to that.
And has ANYONE tweeted to Kate that they received her cookbook because they were a winner in her contest. If she sent out 12 books then you would think a great majority of them would tweet to her that they received her book.
chefsummer said... 103
Tucker's Mom said... 88
So she gets a ten/ten rating for dinner and a back rub while the kids tell her that she need a cooking show.
And her fans say's it's all about the kids.
*****
Yes, this is why we're not projecting here. Look at the whole pictures.
The kids sit at the kitchen island, ensorcelled by Kate's cooking, cheering her on to get her own cooking show, giving her at least an 8/10 for each and every meal, thank her for making the meal and then give her a massage.
See now why there's something just not right in Denmark?
I think every parent joking say "Will you take care of me when I'm old"- My mom said it.
--------------
Yes, they may say it to older kids, but to say it to a five-year-old is just really strange. What child that age ever thinks his parents are going to get old, and if they are mature enough to know what it means, wouldn't they worry about it happening?
(Leslie)
And I remember Kate tweeting that the twins would come into her room at night and massaging her legs. Also on J&KPlus8 she mentioned how she loved the kids walking on back and massaging her. Again, it is all about her comfort over and over and over again... year after year after year
Would someone kindly post the link to Kate's TL (where I can read sheeple insanity) in real time? The one I've been using isn't working. Thanks!
You know the massages are not spontaneous- it's a guilt trip. "I made you dinner!" so this is how they "thank" her, because Kate must be thanked profusely for every. single. meal.
==========================
Remember, when Kate used to write a blog for TLC? I found this old blog she wrote back in 2011, titled "How Legos Brought Peace and Teamwork to My House (For a Little While, At Least)". She writes about how she went out and got Legos for the kids, and how they all played with them while she ran on her tread mill. Then because it was so "exhaustingish" for her, she writes:
"Once I had exhausted my final burst of energy for the day, I laid on the floor and asked for some volunteers to massage my back... Or arms or legs.. Any part of my aching body, please. The littles, in a bedtime avoidance attempt, all willingly agreed. And ahhhh... Their little strong hands covered my entire body with expertise allowing me to relax a bit (in between argument of who took which body part)!"
This was when the tups were 7 years old!! Talk about creepy!!
Seems likes teaching teamwork to her kids includes having them work as a team to make Mommy happy.
http://parentables.howstuffworks.com/family-matters/kate-gosselin-how-im-teaching-teamwork.html
Another article about a Mother's Day post she wrote for CC in 2012, quotes from that CC blog, in which Kate said:
" As for gifts, the children typically make cards with loving messages, and sometimes coupons good for treats like a back massage for stressful days."
http://www.babble.com/celebrity/how-kate-gosselin-will-spend-her-mothers-day/
What kid(at 7 or 10) gives their mother coupons for massages?
Since to Kate everyday is a "stressful" day, it seems like one of the daily chores for the kids is to pamper Mommy--she deserves it!
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · 11m
@Kateplusmy8 a mirror is a reflection of you and how you see yourself. People can talk all they want but they have no idea about the real u
Does Lauren realize that this also applies to her, Milo, and the rest of Kate's tweeties, or does she think it only applies to the "bullies" that she sees on Kate's timeline?
Congrats, ExNurse for your new grandson!
Sheri, So sorry for the loss of your dh's grandmother.
Winsomeone said... 48
''I have found, that if a person asks to be shit on, someone will always oblige him/her.''
~~~~~~~~
Exactly. My father always said to us: If you're going to be a door mat, don't bitch when people wipe their feet on you!
Millicent said... 55
''Sadly, sheeple seem incapable or purposely unwilling to see any viewpoint but their own. No matter how many actual people share their own real life stories and their own feelings about the way they were treated as children, sheeple do a version of "la la la, I can't hear you" and dismiss it. Nothing will ever convince them, and they will never admit they were wrong.''
~~~~~~~~~~
Exactly. I think they're being deliberately obtuse!! !!!!!!
And come on, 10 year old boys giving their mom a massage is just 'off'.
-----------
And then to tweet about it is REALLY off, knowing that some tabs may pick it up, it gets posted, and their peers find out about it. That's just wrong. Gosh, she just doesn't think...never has, never will.
DJ said... 85 ''I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Are some of you projecting your own uncomfortable feelings from past experiences?''
~~~~~~
The short answer to your question is NO.
The longer answer is you are as transparent as TCFW blah blah blah blahblahblah
I agree. At some point the govt needs to step in and force these type of people from having anymore kids. It's really for their own good. I'm sick of seeing them on RTV.
____________
I hope you're being facetious. Hitler tried that. It cost 60 million lives.
----------------
I thought the poster was being facetious. That comment couldn't be taken in seriousness.
I'm not projecting. My parents never asked me to massage them and I never volunteered. My mom scratched MY back once in awhile while watching tv and it felt good and was something I wanted. I never scratched hers. No issues there. I do however have a vast amount of experience in family law and child abuse and exploitation issues and can only say from experience that I see major boundary issues here.
Besides, shouldn't we listen to an adult "projecting" from their own experiences? If someone is so traumatized by childhood massages they are projecting, that's a red flag something is wrong with it.
The name of the girl that was denied up on stage was Nikki Blonsky. She had ran to the bathroom and came back and TCFW and Steve were there getting ready to go on stage and Nikki came running back to go up to the stage and Steve stopped her and wouldn't let her.
Here is the whole story and with Johnny Weir's account of the TCFW.
http://jezebel.com/why-i-wrote-the-infamously-scathing-obituary-for-my-mot-1526324856
TCFW and Steve rode in a limo with a divider for 5 hours there and 5 hours back. For. A. One. Minute. Speech. And. Introduction.
What would they be doing in the back of the limo for 10 hours? Working on the cookbook? Steve massaging her back? Licking her foot? The possibilities are endless!
I can tell you that everyone finding the "kids massage Kate" posts is disturbing. It is beyond obvious that she asks for massages, all over her body and has for YEARS.
I'm sure that "no" is not an option, unless they want some sort of negative consequence. That, or they do it for favors from Kate.
There's nothing spontaneous about it.
This one used to write articles about TFW's tweets all the time. She's still writing and still tweeting but nothing about TFW in ages:
https://twitter.com/LegendaryWriter
Kate is a twit said... 113
(quoting TCFW)
"Once I had exhausted my final burst of energy for the day, I laid on the floor and asked for some volunteers to massage my back... Or arms or legs.. Any part of my aching body, please. The littles, in a bedtime avoidance attempt, all willingly agreed. And ahhhh... Their little strong hands covered my entire body with expertise allowing me to relax a bit (in between argument of who took which body part)!"
~~~~~~~~~~
Oh. My. Word! How can anyone read that and not see how creepy it is? She tweeted for a long time that the twins would come to her bed at night and massage her. I suppose if she thought it was wonderful to have two giving her a massage, it is even better to have two ''icky'' boys doing the same while having the third boy ''entertain'' her.
When I think of how awful I thought it was for her to have Jon's eight children do so much house work, it is even worse to see that after they did all her work, they then must massage her ''tired'' and/or ''stressed'' body.
My mind is reeling trying to not think about how horrible their life is when not with Jon.
http://www.eonline.com/news/146596/kate-gosselin-on-ice-a-true-diva-show
Here's the link to the Blonsky story
They do tend to exaggerate, though. It's not a five hour drive to Danbury. It's about three hours and 45 minutes.
Sorry, if this is a repeat, but when I posted about who the girl was that was denied to go up on stage, I got the error that the comment box cannot be empty.
The girl was Nikki Blonsky from Hairspray with John Travolta. Steve stopped her from going on stage. Steve also stopped Jill from RHWNJ because Jill had to use the restroom and Steve stopped her from going into the bathroom because TCFW was in the bathroom by herself, but there were other stalls. Jill told Alex that she would ruin her.
Here is the link:
http://www.omgblog.com/2010/06/omg_shell_destroy_her_jill_zar.php#axzz2tzmiRRKU
Here is the link with Johnny Weir.
http://www.eonline.com/news/146596/kate-gosselin-on-ice-a-true-diva-show
Also, TCFW and Steve rode to the Charity Ice Skate event in a limo with divider for 5 hours there and 5 hours back. What on earth would they be doing for 10 total hours?
Working on the original cookbook? Steve massaging her back? Licking her foot? The possibilities are endless.
Oh. My. Word! How can anyone read that and not see how creepy it is? She tweeted for a long time that the twins would come to her bed at night and massage her.
--------------------
I remember at the time I thought that was strange, and I still do, even though it was the girls. I never once massaged my mom. Having the boys do it is even more weird, and it's not projecting.
I don't get the appeal of a massage from a kid. Maybe a professional one, I don't know. I've never had a desire for one. What is the appeal? I used to ask my daughter to walk on my back sometimes when she was small but mostly because she got a kick out of it.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4h
When we ask for help, we give people the opportunity to contribute to our need! In so doing, we honor them as well. :)
I guess this explains why Milo thinks Kate is such a great person. By grifting and getting freebies, Kate is actually "honoring" the people who give her contributions.
So I guess for Milo and for Kate, it's always better to receive than give, because you're actually doing those that give a favor.
What a twisted point of view!
Someone asked about Chopped Canada, and it's host Dean McDermott and his infidelities. The show does air here in Canada, but honestly, I don't think anyone really pays too much attention to him. I didn't know who he was, until he cheated on his first wife, Mary Jo Eustache, who was actually well known in Canada for her cooking show.
He seems like a douchebag to me, and I think he may have renounced his Canadian citizenship and become American. Canadians don't take too kindly to that - just ask Conrad Black!
Blowing In The Wind said... 126
They do tend to exaggerate, though. It's not a five hour drive to Danbury. It's about three hours and 45 minutes.
++++++++++++++++++
Maybe Kate WANTED it to be five hours and stretched it out, but it's under four. My friend's son goes to Western CT State in Danbury and she can make it (on a good day) in about 3 1/2 hours. Of course, she does tend to be a little heavy on the metal.
eek, her 'entire body' makes this sound very odd. I recall in IJWYTK she wrote how she wanted the boys to drive their toy trucks all over her body because it felt so good- this is when Hannah dropped a china piggy-bank on her forehead and she says she still has a scar.(Go Hannah- j/k)
It makes me sick that she would even allow her boys to "massage her" AT ALL! Then tweet about it! Can't imagine the backlash from their peers! Can you imagine? Known fact: Massages do feel good. But her little BOYS! Being the maseuses? Mine never did and I never asked them. I got my husband to do it as I would for him!
I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!
None.
Those poor boys and girls! I would help what I could to help my mother when I was around 7 or 8. My mother was stricken with cystitis, where your bladder is so thin when urine gets there, it is extremely painful. Her dr. told her 40 years ago that he had a list of 16 patients that had it as bad as her and he said 1-8 had committed suicide. She would be in so much pain on the couch and sobbing and I would go and get a wet washcloth and roll it up and put it on her forehead. She would rub my hand and tell me she loved me. And I would hug her. She rarely took pain meds. She has and has suffered with this affliction for almost 60 years.
I want to cry when I think about it. And the boys having to massage their mother.
Check out 6:33:
http://linkis.com/www.youtube.com/NfU6y
Joel is in time-out for "lying". What happened is he wet his pants and changed himself obviously because he knew his "mommy" would have a fit (we know very well how she handled potty training). She must have really given them hell for any accidents. And instead of saying he was good for changing himself he gets in trouble for that too. Those kids cannot win.
Interesting that Michelle Obama said that her 12 & 15 year olds want NOTHING to do with their parents. Hmmm....
And what's with the excessively flowery prose from TFW anyway? Sounds like a 4th grader trying waaay too hard to call attention to herself.
She probably writes that way because most of it isn't true. As in, yes they massaged her, but only because she ordered it be done upon penalty of severeness.
Asking if a kid will take care of you when you're old is ok when they are older and understand what it means and everybody understands that it's a joke.
Not ok when they're little and rely on you for everything. And certainly not when they've just had their dad yanked away from them. Nothing like terrorizing little kids. But that's what she's good at. Anything to have them be on uncertain ground.
And she was asking in the connotation of the boys taking the place of her partner. No, no, no. Not good.
In my early teens when I complained about growing pains in my legs, my dad would occasionally come upstairs at bedtime and rub them from the knee down. He would rub hard and quickly to loosen the muscles and then immediately tuck the blankets around them to keep them warm. It would ease the pain enough that I could fall asleep quickly. He would then say goodnight to me, turn out the light and go back downstairs. I could never imagine going into his room and massaging his back until he fell asleep.
Asking pre-pubescent boys for a massage is more than inappropriate. It's not fair to them and could cause a whole lot of confusion on their part.
How is using your own life experience as a reference slammed as "projecting?" I'll answer that -- when you're trying to deflect from the issue at hand. We're all bananas, and yet TFW's own timeline has detailed a history of her using her children as her own personal masseurs and masseuses, again and again.
And it bears repeating: what, in the name of Farmer Henry, is that woman exhausted from?!
lukebandit said... 134
It makes me sick that she would even allow her boys to "massage her" AT ALL! Then tweet about it! Can't imagine the backlash from their peers! Can you imagine? Known fact: Massages do feel good. But her little BOYS! Being the maseuses? Mine never did and I never asked them. I got my husband to do it as I would for him!
I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!
None.
Those poor boys and girls! I would help what I could to help my mother when I was around 7 or 8. My mother was stricken with cystitis, where your bladder is so thin when urine gets there, it is extremely painful. Her dr. told her 40 years ago that he had a list of 16 patients that had it as bad as her and he said 1-8 had committed suicide. She would be in so much pain on the couch and sobbing and I would go and get a wet washcloth and roll it up and put it on her forehead. She would rub my hand and tell me she loved me. And I would hug her. She rarely took pain meds. She has and has suffered with this affliction for almost 60 years.
((((
Interstitial Cystitis? I have that too. I was in severe pain for a few years until I finally thank God got some relief from Neurontin and physical therapy. Yes, it's a very debilitating condition. Your poor mom.
BTW, congratulations to Canada and your gold medal women's team!!
Sorry for our USA women being sullen crybabies ;(
The latest massage tweet is yet one more reason that she needs a psych exam. Can you imagine the stuff that goes on that she doesn't tweet about?
Blowing in the wind . . . 126
Yes, some people tend to exaggerate.
I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!
I agree. There are no words for this.
what, in the name of Farmer Henry, is that woman exhausted from?!
----------
Good grief! Don't you know that the poor thing has to mastermind *everything*????
Blowing in the Wind -
I think every parent joking say "Will you take care of me when I'm old"- My mom said it.
--------------
"Yes, they may say it to older kids, but to say it to a five-year-old is just really strange. What child that age ever thinks his parents are going to get old, and if they are mature enough to know what it means, wouldn't they worry about it happening?"
---------------
My 9 yr old would be extremely worried if he had to think about it. He's a "young nine" in some ways and I can not imagine putting that on him.
Anonymous said... 142
Why are comments as outrageous as this allowed on a moderated blog? My god.
******
What is your point, exactly? Can you elaborate- with a name, this time, please?
Anonymous said... 142
''Why are comments as outrageous as this allowed on a moderated blog? My god.''
lukebandit said... 134
''I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!''
~~~~~~~~~
Outrageous? Maybe the comment was allowed because it is NOT outrageous? It is not impossible to imagine that TCFW actually IS making the comments lukebandit is worrying about. Such comments would mean one thing when at a spa talking to the person giving the massage, and suddenly pass into an entirely different territory when your young boys are doing the massaging!
Anonymous said... 142
Why are comments as outrageous as this allowed on a moderated blog? My god.
********
Why are Anonymous comments getting through when Admin has made it explicitly clear that Anons are not acceptable.
Own your words.
And it bears repeating: what, in the name of Farmer Henry, is that woman exhausted from?!
******
I can't imagine how much she bitched to her patients.
Now nurses have really hard physical work.
When I covered inpatients in the hospital and did floor work, treating patients in their rooms, that was the most physically demanding of all the areas I worked in.
Transferring patients in close quarters is a bitch!
localyocul said... 135
Check out 6:33:
http://linkis.com/www.youtube.com/NfU6y
Joel is in time-out for "lying". What happened is he wet his pants and changed himself obviously because he knew his "mommy" would have a fit (we know very well how she handled potty training). She must have really given them hell for any accidents. And instead of saying he was good for changing himself he gets in trouble for that too. Those kids cannot win.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Thank you and everyone else who finds these video links, they are concrete video proof of what an irrational witch she is. She wasn't edited to look like she was giving him a time out. He wasn't in time out for lying, he was in time out for trying to avoid her wrath. She was letting him know that there is no escaping her wrath, no matter how much he tried to avoid it. And she had the nerve to write in her journal that she didn't understand why some of the kids were so defiant. Gee, I can't either :(
I remember my kids changing themselves after an accident and I smile when I think about the mismatched shorts or pants, put on backwards :) It melted my heart. I can't even began to imagine how you could get angry at a child for taking care of himself.
localyocul said... 136
Check out 6:33:
http://linkis.com/www.youtube.com/NfU6y
Joel is in time-out for "lying". What happened is he wet his pants and changed himself obviously because he knew his "mommy" would have a fit (we know very well how she handled potty training)
******
It is very telling that a little boy would think to change himself lest his mother discovered he had an accident.
Chrissakes, I'm house training my puppy and his accidents get no response from me. I simply clean it up and redouble my efforts to get him outside to go frequently.
Punishing does no good for a dog, let alone a child.
Then again, "we're not dogs", so there's that.
''Sadly, sheeple seem incapable or purposely unwilling to see any viewpoint but their own
Yes. Sheeple and others
Yes it's creepy that she has her boys giving her a massage but I have to agree with Anon@142.
**I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!**
Sometimes we, as posters, can take it too far and imagine things that just aren't there and there are those on twitter that will take any negative statement and run with it. And that's creepy.
People were also saying she was laying prone? She never said that. In fact if the one was entertaining her I assume she was sitting up. That's creepy enough but no need to embellish
Someone is pretending to be me? 146 that was not me..I don't even spell my name with a K.
Kate is a twit said...
"Once I had exhausted my final burst of energy for the day, I laid on the floor and asked for some volunteers to massage my back... Or arms or legs.. Any part of my aching body, please. The littles, in a bedtime avoidance attempt, all willingly agreed. And ahhhh... Their little strong hands covered my entire body with expertise allowing me to relax a bit (in between argument of who took which body part)!"
------
Oy--I think I need a cigarette
Had an exciting night--DIL had very hard labor with Pitocin. Both grandmas were there for labor and delivery. What an unbelievable experience to see this little soul come into the world, and witnessing the moment that our children transitioned into parents.
On an odd note, our grandson was born on my 34th wedding anniversary. My husband (in name only) was there a few hours after the baby was born, and we had a celebratory breakfast together. This baby is a powerful motivator to keep things friendly and co-operative. I don't know how Kate manages to sustain the level of anger required for her daily parental alienation. No wonder she is exhausted--she must work hard at it every day.
I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Are some of you projecting your own uncomfortable feelings from past experiences? 85
Not personal experiences but professional ones. Children should NOT be expected to take care of their parents.
I am not referring to adult children. Apples and oranges.
February
Ex Nurse, congratulations to you and you family.
Blowing In The Wind said... 126
They do tend to exaggerate, though. It's not a five hour drive to Danbury. It's about three hours and 45 minutes.
------------
According to the article, KK and Steve weren't coming from PA, they were coming from Washington, DC. That does make it five hours. No idea why they were there.
Joy in Virginia - I enjoy your posts. I did watch Jimmy Fallon and did not see anything funny. What did I miss?
I hope no one will be jealous but I live a few minutes from Kate's former number one fan, Barb G. Maybe I will see her at Target someday?
I don't think the American girl hockey girl players were crying because they were being poor sports. I think they were crying because they had the game in the bag and in three minutes that changed, which makes any sports player feel like a failure, especially since for most of the game Canada couldn't even set up a play and were basically being owned by the U.S. I imagine they were just plain exhausted too. Holding a team with that kind of talent the way they did must have taken every bit of their effort. It was pretty bad up until the past three minutes when Canada finally got it together and the rest was history.
They all played a hard game into even overtime. They are entitled to a few tears without being accused of anything. Now I myself was crying like a real baby because I had a fantastic game spoiled for me. :)
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 161
I don't think the American girl hockey girl players were crying because they were being poor sports. I think they were crying because they had the game in the bag and in three minutes that changed, which makes any sports player feel like a failure, especially since for most of the game
******
It's such a shame that the hockey game turned on a dime at the last moment.
I just thought the US team shouldn't have sulked so much- they became the story instead of the gold medal winners, which detracted from "their" moment.
Women's hockey game - obviously, being Canadian, the outcome was fantastic for us. I probably would be crying too if I lost a game like that. They did have it in the bag.
And these 2 teams have a very fierce rival, and have for years.
It was a very entertaining game that had everyone on the edge of their seat.
According to the article, KK and Steve weren't coming from PA, they were coming from Washington, DC. That does make it five hours. No idea why they were there.
+++++++++++
Someone posted it was five hours going to Danbury and five hours coming back,a 10-hour trip. Were they going back to DC as well? If so, I wonder why.
I didn't see them sulking that's all. I've been in the shoes of getting SOO far in a tournament then not quite making it, although on obviously a much smaller level in high school sports. It's crushing for anyone. You're not sulking or being a bad sport, you're just mentally and emotionally exhausted, defeated, and in this case shocked. Throw in all the media and spectators and pressure from your country to win and it's a recipe for a few tears! You're over it in short order. The winners often cry too, it's just an emotion you can't control when all the adrenaline is coursing through you then suddenly is cut off. They don't call it the agony of defeat for nothing.
They all skated out there two minutes later and shook hands. If they were throwing sticks or cursing or refusing to shake hands that's another matter. They were just letting a few tears slip down their cheeks, and not everyone was doing it.
Over In TFW's County said... 164
According to the article, KK and Steve weren't coming from PA, they were coming from Washington, DC. That does make it five hours. No idea why they were there.
******
Steve lives just outside of DC, so they might have been staying there or in town for lunch/shopping.
I don't get why though.
Yeah, Alberta, quite honestly I think too much pressure has been put on the USA women's team to beat the Canadians and have the US be taken seriously in hockey. Canada has won gold in Salt Lake City, Turin, and Vancouver. It's just built and built and built. They were SOO close to finally doing what the U.S. had demanded of them and shut them down and then they let it slip away.
Most of the girls are only 21 or 22. That's too much pressure for such a young woman. They should be left to just play the game and not worry about this bigger idea of "hockey being taken seriously". Hockey is everything in Canada, and due to their weather and rinks everywhere and culture, they get a lot more playing time and support. Hockey is not given the same courtesy here. It is very popular where I am from but almost nonexistent in other parts of the country. Even where I was from, it had very negative connotations. You hear things all the time like, Well little Mike loves hockey but I hope he grows out of it because it's so expensive all this equipment. I'm glad little Suzy is making friends but I hate going to the games because I'm driving all over creation for them and it's so cold! It's very negative.
There is only one girl on the team from a warm state, Arizona. The rest of the team is from Minnesota, Ohio, Wisconsin, and New England. When you're only pulling from a few northern cities, of course it will be very difficult to build a team that might upset Canada. I don't know, I actually really felt for the girls and thought they handled it quite well.
Anonymous said... 142
''Why are comments as outrageous as this allowed on a moderated blog? My god.''
lukebandit said... 134
''I hope and pray that vile witch is not laying there moaning and groaning in a oooh and ah way and saying, ooh, lower, no, up, ooh, right there that's the spot. IF she is doing that. Then there is no words for this!''
~~~~~~~~~
Outrageous? Maybe the comment was allowed because it is NOT outrageous? It is not impossible to imagine that TCFW actually IS making the comments lukebandit is worrying about. Such comments would mean one thing when at a spa talking to the person giving the massage, and suddenly pass into an entirely different territory when your young boys are doing the massaging!
++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++
I wouldn't say that it's outrageous, but I do think that it is taking speculation just a bit too far, imaging scenarios that may or may not have been there. We just on't know. Yes, Kate is the way she is. Yes, Kate is a narcissist. No, Kate shouldn't have embarrassed her boys and tweeted she was getting a back rub, but gosh, in my opinion, setting up a scene with moaning and groaning is really over the top.
I should also add growing up hockey was one of the last sports where there really wasn't a girls team. In fact girls teams in other sports were such a fact of life I remember feeling very confused why there wasn't one for hockey. If you were a girl who wanted to play you'd have to hang with the boys and be teased and bullied for it and have your parents worried the boys would hurt you, or play some other sport. Most girls chose another sport like lacrosse or basketball.
All the more reason it has been amazing a USA women's team has made it this far.
Couples Therapy recap, via Reality Tea:
http://www.realitytea.com/2014/02/21/couples-therapy-recap-trauma/
Tuckers mom: I agree, with that big of a house. I see the Brady Bunch effect. Three girls in one room, and three boys in the other. Sound like Brady bunch? Remember Mr. Brady, was an architect, who could have easily, add rooms to that house. Got rid of Alice, added 3 rooms to the attic. No! 3 kids & 3 kids and 1 bathroom. They were the winners of kid drama in the house. Could not have been much of an architect if he could not have figured that out. The Brady Bunch was to be promo for a perfect blended family. Sorry, I knew a lot of blended families, growing up, when it was not a common thing, and most of the kids, did not get along. The younger they were under 6, they just accepted, the new parent, but by school age it was very different. Some of my friends, would talk about, kid wars in their houses. The Brady bunch was a fantasy.
Discovery Communications is also in Silver Spring, just minutes from D.C. I can see how someone might say they came from "D.C." when it was really Maryland. My cousin lives there. Most people in Silver Spring tell people they live in D.C. or just outside D.C. I'm pretty sure Kate had to go to periodic meetings at their offices there, as she was often spotted in the area.
We have a family from Canada renting a house a couple doors down. They have one daughter (12-13 yo or so) and hockey is her life. She's so outgoing and cute, and we hear her making slap shots all the time into her net.
Her dad is really involved and takes her to practices and games several times a week.
It's really serious.
DENISE @Mydmaxx 2h
Where you been? Whatcha been up to? Been a little quiet the last few days. Anything new & exciting you can share @Kateplusmy8 ? 😊
She's been snowed in, remember? You ask her about it every day.
Silly sheeple.
We have a family from Canada renting a house a couple doors down. They have one daughter (12-13 yo or so) and hockey is her life. She's so outgoing and cute, and we hear her making slap shots all the time into her net.
Her dad is really involved and takes her to practices and games several times a week.
It's really serious.
&&&
All this stuff plays a role in Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 hours theory and other theories. In fact hockey is one of his biggest examples, since most players have birthdays in the winter, at the beginning of the cut off so they were the biggest kids on the team and given the most playing time which translates into growing into the best players.
Many USA parents here don't know nearly as much about hockey or played nearly as much to be out there every day helping their girl develop her talents. But in Canada this is totally normal. You don't buy your kid a hockey net, you buy them a basketball hoop or a glove. A dad is more apt to get his little girl a softball glove and throw that around as opposed to get her a stick.
All these things play a huge role in being able to have that same girl be able to hang with Canadian Olympians 15 years later. We can't. They were the better team who could pull it off in a clutch position.
Hey, Canada puts hockey players on their CURRENCY, that should tell you something!
Over In TFW's County said - No, Kate shouldn't have embarrassed her boys and tweeted she was getting a back rub, but gosh, in my opinion, setting up a scene with moaning and groaning is really over the top.
========
I agree 100%.
Hey, Canada puts hockey players on their CURRENCY, that should tell you something!
February 21, 2014 at 6:11 PM
*******
It's a religious experience.
Good luck to Canada in the men's final, btw, and hopefully, the U.S. men can secure bronze.
BTW, congratulations to Canada and your gold medal women's team!!
Sorry for our USA women being sullen crybabies ;(
Xxxxxxxx
Hmmmm . . . I wouldn't call them crybabies. Yes, they were upset because they lost.
Remember Mr. Brady, was an architect, who could have easily, add rooms to that house. Got rid of Alice, added 3 rooms to the attic. No! 3 kids & 3 kids and 1 bathroom. They were the winners of kid drama in the house. Could not have been much of an architect if he could not have figured that out.
+++++++++++++++
It was a sitcom, not a reality television show about remodeling construction! I doubt that putting on an addition to the house would have drawn in the viewers. The show dealt with sibling rivalry and pre-teen (and then teen) problems, not their father's expertise with blueprints.
In Chicago, someone put on a billboard, by the expressway : a pic of one member of the American team of hockey and a member of the Canadian team member, with Justin Bieber in the middle. With a caption saying: Loser keeps Bieber. Dam! we lost! LOLOL
Women's hockey in Michigan is pretty normal. We have high school girls teams and peewee hockey for girls.
Women's hockey in Michigan is pretty normal. We have high school girls teams and peewee hockey for girls.
&&&
Yes that's my point, only a few northern cities really treat hockey as seriously as Canada does. Girls teams are nonexistent or on very small scales throughout the rest of the country. As you can see from the roster, almost all the girls are from areas that take hockey seriously. That narrows the playing field when you're picking teams that can compete against Canada to a much smaller population. Whereas when picking a baseball team or basketball team, the talent out there from high school boys is just endless and nationwide.
getofftwitter said... 176
In Chicago, someone put on a billboard, by the expressway : a pic of one member of the American team of hockey and a member of the Canadian team member, with Justin Bieber in the middle. With a caption saying: Loser keeps Bieber. Dam! we lost! LOLOL
******
I saw that!
Yup, we got the sh*t end of the stick on that one.
Beiber billboard: Worst Bet Ever
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/-loser-keeps-bieber--billboard-gets-sad-and-hilarious-update-after-team-usa-loss-003904934.html
Yes, hockey is life for some people here, that's for sure. When I was growing up, they didnt really have girls hockey teams - we has to play ringette, which is a bastardized version of hockey.
To tell you the truth, while there are still many kids who are into it, participation in the sport has declined over the last 20 years. While my own boys enjoy watching it, they have had no interest in playing ice hockey. They will play road hockey with their friends, but mine play soccer pretty much year round.
And there are so many more activities for kids to get into as well. Along with the usual swimming and skating lessons, mine have tried rock climbing, judo, and they will be starting a parkour course in a few weeks.
It is expensive and time consuming, I agree. But if they wanted to try it, we'd make it happen. There are too many parents here forcing their kids into the sport, thinking they will make the NHL.
That is interesting that most of the US players are from northern states. I guess it evens the playing field, as our population is 1/10th of the US.
But I will say it was cool to see men lose their sh*t once the women won. That was nice to see - don't think that would have happened 20 years ago!
Very Proud Canadian here, I had todays game playing on my computer at work.. Good hockey is good hockey no matter who is playing the men's today was just plain awesome love a nail biter.
Canada shut down from 10:00 to 12:30(mst) and our bars are now being allowed to serve alcohol at 5am for the game on Sunday that should tell you how seriously we take this lol
getofftwitter said... 179
In Chicago, someone put on a billboard, by the expressway : a pic of one member of the American team of hockey and a member of the Canadian team member, with Justin Bieber in the middle. With a caption saying: Loser keeps Bieber. Dam! we lost! LOLOL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We still have Rob Ford.....unfortunately :)
AnnieD said... 186
getofftwitter said... 179
In Chicago, someone put on a billboard, by the expressway : a pic of one member of the American team of hockey and a member of the Canadian team member, with Justin Bieber in the middle. With a caption saying: Loser keeps Bieber. Dam! we lost! LOLOL
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We still have Rob Ford.....unfortunately :)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
It really is a toss up which one we should give away first maybe we should take offers lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TNVS0wgXm3s
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19gb28r2kzrv2gif/ku-xlarge.gif
https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/5E4D041CE21048373475947208704_105d195271d.4.8.17455859510606316836.mp4?versionId=dmi3YuGrzxs4pUNkGIvdLD02LbX1v4Ts
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 169
I should also add growing up hockey was one of the last sports where there really wasn't a girls team. In fact girls teams in other sports were such a fact of life I remember feeling very confused why there wasn't one for hockey. If you were a girl who wanted to play you'd have to hang with the boys and be teased and bullied for it and have your parents worried the boys would hurt you, or play some other sport. Most girls chose another sport like lacrosse or basketball.
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
As the only girl in my family, I grew up playing all the same sports that my brothers did, (and usually with them as well). From little league on, I not only played with the boys, but I usually beat them too, and it wasn't until high school that I played on a "girls" team. There might be another girl playing here and there, but I never felt any different from the rest of the players, (or like a girl) until we moved to a state where hockey was a more popular winter sport then basketball. I can remember that we all went to the rink together to sign up. Even my youngest brother who was still a toddler at the time had the skates strapped on him was put out on the ice with a folding chair to push around learning how to skate. Everyone was so excited to try out this new sport, so imagine my surprise when it was my turn to try on skates, and they brought me white figure skates, (which are very different from ice hockey skates). Turns out, I was given figure skates because I was a GIRL, and GIRLS were NOT allowed to play hockey. I was aghast! Even at 7/8 years old I knew this was an outrage, and I've been mad about it ever since! There were some high schools in the area that did have girls hockey, but they were mostly private schools and most public schools only offered girls field hockey. To this day I am still not a big fan hockey, and curiously enough none of my very athletic brothers ever stuck with it either.
Weighing in on the woman's hockey final between the U.S. and Canada, I think two things. The U.S. team outplayed our team, but the Canadian girls just kept grinding, never giving up, fighting to the last minutes of the game.
I heard a radio commentator say that it is far easier to win a bronze and be third than to lose the gold medal and take second place in hockey. It's gold, silver doesn't seem to cut it in this sport, at least not for Canadians, it's nerve- racking as a fan, I can't imagine the pressure on our hockey teams!
I think the U.S. team was just bitterly disappointed, they had their victory in hand and lost it with just minutes to go in the third. Marie Poulin, who scored the winnig goal in OT, apologized to the U.S. goalie when they shook hands, and in typical Canadian fashion said, "sorry".
OT DOUBLE SQUEEEEE!! Justin Timberlake is in The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon tonight. They are so funny together! Justin is just incredibly talented, he can do anything just about! Love them!
If you have not been a Fallon fan, record it and find a high school junior or senior to watch it with, or a college student. That's how I got into out, watching it with my dd.
Weighing in on the woman's hockey final between the U.S. and Canada, I think two things. The U.S. team outplayed our team, but the Canadian girls just kept grinding, never giving up, fighting to the last minutes of the game.
-------------------------------------------
I have to agree. Nearing the last two minutes of the game the Canadian girls amped up their game and scraped up that puck as much as possible. When the American girl was penalized for slashing that was the fatal blow for the Americans. The extra Canadian on the ice helped them clinch the goal.
I don't think the Canadians played horribly. It wasn't a runaway game. A score of 2-0 is not drastic. However, of course it's a punch in the gut to lose when you've been gaining momentum for almost 3 whole periods. I thought the Americans were great and the Canadian hockey team thought so too.
Our population is so much smaller that the US and we do not have the extensive backing of our athletes the way the States does. In fact not too long ago that was a big issue because Canadians were not performing well at the Olympic Games. The government stepped up with funding and promoting our athletes and things have steadily improved. Americans have always totally supported their athletes whether it be financially or just cheering them on. The College football stadiums are bigger than most of our CFL stadiums.
In other Canada/Us rivals, Tessa Virtue-Scott Moir lost the gold medal to Meryl Davis-Charlie White in Ice Dancing. While rumours swirled about judging favourtism and other champions were touting that Virtue-Moir should have won, Tessa and Scott wouldn't even entertain those ideas when asked by the media. That to me is graciousness.
Yes it was a hell of a blow for the US girls but sportsmanship should have come into play during the medal ceremony. In all of the medal ceremonies I've watched I don't recall seeing any other silver medalists pouting when they were awarded.
I read here often, but do not post much. BUT I had to post a very big and happy congratulations to Ex Nurse! That precious little boy will bring a special joy to your life like you couldn't even imagine, and you can believe me because I speak from experience with TWO precious little boys! Many blessings to you and your family, Grandma!
Kate is a twit said... 131
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4h
When we ask for help, we give people the opportunity to contribute to our need! In so doing, we honor them as well. :)
I guess this explains why Milo thinks Kate is such a great person. By grifting and getting freebies, Kate is actually "honoring" the people who give her contributions.
So I guess for Milo and for Kate, it's always better to receive than give, because you're actually doing those that give a favor.
What a twisted point of view!
------------
Yikes! I am starting to think TFW is able to post under Milo's name. This "logic" is very twisted, much like Kate's twitter, blog posts, and much like her "couch" interviews," in which she justifies what she does, much of it which is NOT an accurate account of what actually happened.
Kate is a twit said... 131
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4h
When we ask for help, we give people the opportunity to contribute to our need! In so doing, we honor them as well. :)
I guess this explains why Milo thinks Kate is such a great person. By grifting and getting freebies, Kate is actually "honoring" the people who give her contributions.
So I guess for Milo and for Kate, it's always better to receive than give, because you're actually doing those that give a favor.
What a twisted point of view!
------------
Yikes! I am starting to think TFW is able to post under Milo's name. This "logic" is very twisted, much like Kate's twitter, blog posts, and much like her "couch" interviews," in which she justifies what she does, much of it which is NOT an accurate account of what actually happened.
I agree with everything except that Americans support that athletes. Yes they do, if you play one of the big money maker sports and if you are a male. Do not think for a second the U.S. supports women's hockey. They don't. A Division 1 football school would pour more money into the sport in one season than the U.S. has put into women's hockey since it began.
Woman's hockey is so low on the radar it's not even funny. None of those girls were ever paid a dime by the U.S. And I understand it's the same in Canada, with none of their women players getting paid either. In contrast, a man in the NHL makes on average 1.8 MILLION a season and some make in the several millions.
1.8 millions versus nothing. Yes we support our sports. Men's sports. Big sports like football and basketball. The only reason those girls are playing is for the love of the game, not for the support from the USA or to make money. Most will lose money. This is the same for almost all women's sports in the USA. There are a scant few super stars like the Williams sisters and Kelly Clark and a fledgling women's basketball league that loses millions every single year and everyone else is lucky to break even. There are no professional women's hockey, softball, football or soccer teams (we used to have soccer but it failed). A woman hockey player in the USA does not get any more support here than she would in Canada, if anything she gets less support in the USA as hockey is not even on the radar most anywhere but the Canadian border states. Despite that, they played a fantastic game.
Tuckers mom,
That skit was very defamatory to Jon, too,
-------
Jon has been defamed since the whole divorce fiasco. Maybe I didn't read enough web sites or watch the right tv shows. I have RARELY read anything good about Jon, from the beginning to present. It's only since his going public lately that I have heard anything in his favor. I think it is the best of two evils to go public. I don't think anyone would in the media would have ever changed their mind had they not talked to him personally. As it is, even still many still have to jab him with a negative name calling before they comment on the good thing.
New comments are not allowed.